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[miatapony]

Hello everyone ,
I have a 9 year old gelding that i have had sice he was foaled and my family was sent to Japan for 3 years (military) when we came home my horse had a limp. I did have some xrays done and the vet said there is nothing wrong with his fronts. i have had a chiropractor out and he said that there were a few adjustments needed and were done. But now Runner is getting worse and im at a lose on what to try now ,i will have his xrays redone now that im here and see what is said now . i have put him on a joint supplement it seems like it might be helping but i dont know if its just me thinking i want it to help or if it really is helping .so if anyone has anymore help info or just ideas im open to try almost anything on a buget.
thanks everyone in advance.

[WashingtonBay]

Hello and welcome again.... I hope you get some good ideas.

It doesn't sound like you even know what part of the horse hurts. Or do you? Do you know it's in the foot, as opposed to some other joint or soft tissue? Have you done all the flex testing and other diagnostics to isolate where the pain is?

[miatapony]

i do have to have a new vet look him over but my farrier said its not in the feet. i have a book with some flexs in it ive been doing but as of right now im not sure where the problem is at. i have not had any other test done as of yet because i havent been back in the states long and kind of short on money right now but getting better. i will have a whole lameness work up done in a couple of days by a vet here in Las Vegas. Im hopeing they can tell me more.

[Ryle]

If the first vet couldn't even tell you where it hurts, how the heck did he know what area to take x-rays of?

You need to take your horse to an equine vet for a full lameness exam. Until you know where the pain originates from and then take some x-rays or ultrasound--whatever diagnostics the vet recommends based upon exam findings--you can't know if this is serious, treatable, progressive, etc. So start with a good lameness exam and go from there.

[Country Girl 43]

Yep, you will need a FULL lameness exam. Time to bite the bullet and have it done. That's what I finally did with Dreamer. She started out with a small limp, I thought she had pulled something, but it got more pronounced as time went by. Had the exam done with the blocks and knew the pain was coming from her hooves. THAT is when the exrays were done to see what was causing the hoof pain. We all knew it was her left side, just didn't know exactly where and I got tired of trying to second guess everything. That exam is not cheap, but at least you will finally know what you are dealing with.

Good luck

[gaited07]

Hi Miatapony and welcome to the forum.

I would suggest loading your horse up and taking him to the desert Equine hosp. for a full lameness exam with Doc. Lamb or one of his established assoc. (Schur, Ballard)
5000 N. Jones Blvd.
645-2247

[miatapony]

I wanted to say thank you to everyone about this me and runner are headed for a vet in Arizona that i have had dealings with and trust very much Dr. Rich. This Dr, is a Bone specialist. so please keep your fingers crossed for us . (going to AZ also to see my parents too) .

[gaited07]

Good luck and hope nothing serious is wrong with your boy.
Have a safe trip there and back:)

[FlitterBug]

I'm assuming your horse stayed in the states while you were in Japan? Was anyone riding him? Anything happen while you were gone?

[TLC97]

Good luck with the vet and have a safe trip.

I agree with everyone that you need a full lameness exam. It is good you have a vet you can trust and feel comfortable with. But don't be afraid to ask for second, third or forth opinions.

[miatapony]

I'm assuming your horse stayed in the states while you were in Japan? Was anyone riding him? Anything happen while you were gone?

Runner stayed here in the states out at my moms place in arizona. he had a very nice stall that had rubber mats and shaveings . he was turned out in a pasture by himself.
there was no one riding him at all.

[Country Girl 43]

What part of Arizona are coming to? I am in Mesa and the Equine hospital that did Dreamers work is in Gilbert. Maybe we could meet up.

[miatapony]

well everyone i was comming to AZ but on thursday of last week my hubby wercked my only truck so now i cant get runner to the vet here or there at this time so im kind of sad because the vet says to take him to them but i have a friend here that said she woudl be willing to help me out .. thanks girls . you know who you are . i need to save all my money right now and really cant afford to spen it right now so ill have to wait and see what i can do here. yes my hubby is fine not hurt at all (I LOVED MY 2004 NISSAN TITAN ) that i do have pics of wrecked on here if anyone wants to see how bad it was please let me know and ill put them on here i WOULD buy another nissan as soon as able just because i think it saved my hubby from any and all harm in the wreck. thanks all
Angel

[WashingtonBay]

Oh dang - bummer about the truck! I'm sure sorry. But glad hubby is OK!

[miatapony]

thanks me too .. like i said he is my world.

[miatapony]

well i guess i need to let everyone know about what i found out today from Dr. Lambs office. its not good he said the runner has a trian wreck in the navicular bone i do have a pic of the foot ill try to gat it on here so you can see the big hole in the navicular bone. it is very hard to know what to do with him. doc dont think shoes will help him he is that far gone. but im not breaking down just yet ok maybe a little but hey .. it very bad news for me i can have a friend help me tell more about it on here when she gets a chance because i broke down in the office .. i im still a little fuzzy about what all was said. thanks to everyone and ill stay in touch . Angel

[Vegashorselady]

Oh my, that's horrible news. I'm wishing you all the best, don't know what else to say. If you need support, help, shoulder to cry on or anything just ask!

[WashingtonBay]

Oh dear. I'm sorry too, about this news. I'd definitely get a few opinions and consider all options, and then try to feel good about which one you think is the best you can do.

[PoniesRock101]

aww i'm sorry. i agree with WB

[gaited07]

Miatapony,
I'm so sorry to hear.

[lovesfortune]

Sorry to hear the news.

[Annie&Dixie]

I just got here, I'm so so sorry about the bad news, I really hope there is solution that will work for everybody. Keep us posted and good luck.

[Suzi]

That's a bad break. I am so sorry for you guys. I hope you can find some treatment for him.

[miatapony]

well the vet says to try this Burssa shot. pray that this helps it is suposed to refill the burssa sack to remove the pressure off the navicular bone. but i dont think it will do the job all together. but it is worth a try !!!!!

[gaited07]

Hope it works for you.

[miatapony]

well i did the shot and OMG he seems like a diffrent horse like he was when he was young .. im getting happy again to try to ride him again . we will see sunday after i get to turn him out to see how well he moves . keep your fingers crossed.

[Gliderider]

I got my fingers crossed for ya.

[Country Girl 43]

Also ask your vet about the isoxprine for your horse. It helps to get the blood flow down to the hoof.

I truely feel your pain! I just went through this same thing.....:(

[gaited07]

Miata,
Don't want to sound like a pessimist, but what are the long term effect of this (if any)

Oh and I do wish the best. Heres lots of fingers crossed and well wishes.

[miatapony]

well runner seems to be doing good i havent had him out for too long though.
the vet did say this shot can last for a month or 10 years or anything in between .
i do have a horse i can get from my moms place if runner dont get better . im looking at getting maybe trading runner for a year for amy just to get a hard ride horse to keep up with my friends on the trails because amy dont like to be left behind .
if anyone wants to see my moms horses she has for sale ill list a site to look at them on the flea market site.

[Vegashorselady]

Well, good news so far. I hope the shot continues to work for him!

[miatapony]

well i senty off runners x-rays to a bone doc in phoenix and he says that he has been doing this new thing with injections in the bone and he called me and said that i have an 80% chance of haveing my performance horse back. but the only down side is it costs around $800.00 for the treatment and then i have to drive him down there so that is more. so im going to try this and save to get it done. so please keep runner in your thoughts and pray for us . thanks to everyone on here.

[Vegashorselady]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you and Runner. The doc gave you a good success rate so it's definitely worth a shot! Keep us posted.

[gaited07]

Hope all works well for you and Runner.

[HoustonFarrier]

well i senty off runners x-rays to a bone doc in phoenix and he says that he has been doing this new thing with injections in the bone and he called me and said that i have an 80% chance of haveing my performance horse back. but the only down side is it costs around $800.00 for the treatment and then i have to drive him down there so that is more. so im going to try this and save to get it done. so please keep runner in your thoughts and pray for us . thanks to everyone on here.

If the drug he is using is Tildren...you might want to re-think things.......



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Arthritis and navicular disease are common problems in performance horses, and people are always looking for an effective and safe treatment for these conditions. A fairly new treatment that is being used in these lameness cases is a drug called Tildren. Tildren has been used to prevent bone resorption in humans since 1997. It is licensed in eight European countries for horses. Although it is not yet approved in the United States, it can be imported by getting approval from the FDA. It is being used to treat pain in the back of a horse’s foot and arthritis of the hock joint. The drug works by preventing bone resorption, and it also has anti-inflammatory actions.
The largest study on Tildren involved 50 horses with navicular disease in Europe. Over 60% of the treated horses responded to the drug so there did seem to be an effect; 50% of the treated horses were not lame at the end of the study. However, low numbers of horses were used and there are so many different types of so-called navicular disease that it is impossible to tell exactly what structure was involved in each of the horses.
Two different studies looked at the use of Tildren on arthritis in the hock joint; while one study indicated there was some response at 2 months after treatment, the other study showed no improvement. The good thing is that the drug appears to be safe and did appear to be somewhat effective at treatment of navicular disease and arthritis of the hock in some horses. The question is the effectiveness of this drug compared to standard treatments, such as injecting the joints with cortisone and hyaluronic acid, and is it worth the cost and FDA paperwork to import the drug.
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Date Published: 11/17/2008 10:11:00 AM



Steve

[miatapony]

well i will have to look into it better but as far as i know the vet is going in to do a full surgry on the bone but ill have to ask him again for the full list of things . thanks for the heads up on this drug.

[miatapony]

ok well i talked to the Vet again today and it is Tildren. He says that he has been useing it for 4 years now and has great responses with it. Ive got the money together now so im going to give it a shot. This vet says that fron the x-rays that i sent him runner looks like he is in the top 85% or preformance horse return hes seen and done.

[vicklynn]

Update on the leg?

[miatapony]

well it has been 6 months now since the shot and Runner is getting better. There are Ups and Downs.... but in the big he is getting better. i will have to get his exrays redone after the 15th of this month. that way i can see what if any regrowth in the bone there is .. But Runner can walk trot and lope with out a limp....all under saddle no for too long tho i havent pushed it for no more than 20 min once a week and then the rest of the week it is hand walk for 20 -30 mins a day.