NFL Eagles sign Vick [Archive] - Baywind Farm Horse Forum

Vacker Hast

08-15-2009, 03:52 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4401139

Michael Vick has been reinstated into the NFL and now has been signed by the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm surprised this hasn't already come up for discussion.

Do you think Vick should have been reinstated into the NFL? What's your thoughts on this subject?

Stacy

lacyloo

08-15-2009, 04:13 PM

Do you think Vick should have been reinstated into the NFL?

No.

BlaiseGlaze

08-15-2009, 04:31 PM

What if Michael Vick signed with the Browns...It would be awkward because there mascot is a Bulldog.

vicklynn

08-15-2009, 04:33 PM

Hi Blaize, now get your hinney over to the welcome thread and post silly girl.

That was funny though...LMBO...

doc_western

08-15-2009, 04:55 PM

Do you think Vick should have been reinstated into the NFL?

No.

agreed.

Remali

08-15-2009, 06:09 PM

No. I say let PETA have at him. ;)

vicklynn

08-15-2009, 06:31 PM

No. I say let PETA have at him. ;)
:hysterical:

twofingers

08-15-2009, 06:34 PM

I believe in forgiving-- not forgetting. when you commit a crime you are punished, we send you to jail to atone for your sin. his price was over one hundred million dollars plus time in jail. did you actually think even for the shortest moment in time that the NFL would not hire him back, they stand to make tens of millions of dollars off him. like show business, professional sports do not require ethics or morality as a requisite to employment. personally I would not have hired him. I find it rather disingenuous to cheer for the abortion doctor but boo the dog fighter. but I guess a dogs life is a pretty valuable thing.

Vacker Hast

08-15-2009, 06:48 PM

I'm not a supporter of PETA but I did go to their site to see what the word was with them. After the publics' blogging and asking PETA how they could reach the NFL or the Philadelphia Eagles PETA updated one of their recent stories and put out the information for the public to be heard.

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/08/vick_eagles.php

Update: Many people have asked us how to complain to the NFL. You can send an e-mail to the NFL through its official contact form here (http://www.nfl.com/contact-us). You can call the main office of the Philadelphia Eagles at 215-463-2500, and you can find mailing addresses here (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/fanzone/faqs.asp#q1).

Remali

08-15-2009, 06:58 PM

Thought I'd posted a minute ago but I lost it somehow....

Well, as far as forgiving Vick for torturing animals..... No way. Not ever. (and, ummm, why bring up abortion in this thread??!!).

I can't believe the NFL would even consider him.

miatapony

08-15-2009, 07:05 PM

I have a whole train of thoughts on this man but i cant say them here because i really like being here and WB would ban me for life... he is not a good person and i think he should have spent more time in JAIL!!!! ALOT more. ok ill leave it at that ....

Vacker Hast

08-15-2009, 07:15 PM

The time did NOT fit the crime and as for Vick getting a second chance. Okay, he can live without torture, as his victims did not have that choice, and live a very humble life ... not given the life of a superstar/celeb making millions!!!

His actions were so horrible I can't even post them on this family forum thread and his plea bargin was nothing more than a joke ... a slap on the wrist ... attorneys chatting over a few beers!!!!

Stacy

Gypsy Rose

08-15-2009, 07:22 PM

natisha

08-15-2009, 08:39 PM

:puke:

rocknK

08-16-2009, 05:36 AM

18 months in prison,millions in fines & lost earnings, give the fella a break. Let him get on with his life. Someday YOU might need a second chance.

miatapony

08-16-2009, 06:31 AM

im sorry it wasnt ENOUGH he still had millions ... he could have lost more and did more time. i think he skated because... ok again not going there....

rocknK

08-16-2009, 06:50 AM

Go ahead & vent, or your head will explode! All I was trying to say is that he's paid a LARGE debt to society & needs to try to rebuild his life. Your gotta know he'll be living in a fishbowl for a long time. People will be watching his every move. If he screws up again......then really bring the hammer down!:2cents:

Tiz

08-16-2009, 07:25 AM

He was found guilty of heinous cruelty to animals, in a court of law. He served his sentence, paid the fines, and went back to the profession his behavior took him out of. If he pumped gas for a living, we probably wouldn't be talking about it anymore.

He's in the court of public opinion now, and the Eagles have taken a big risk, in my view. I'll be curious to see how it plays out.

Vacker Hast

08-16-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm sure Vick's kennel was in operation longer than 18 months and the mentality of a person that can inflict that kind of torture/killing with his own hands while laughing at hundreds or even thousands of living beings is not a person I would want to be around nor any people I love.

This wasn't a one-time accident and just because he was able to pay a large amount of money for his fine and to his legal team to get him a slap on the wrist doesn't make him a good/changed man that I would be okay with now.

I'm sure he is not stupid enough to open another kennel and risk his precious career but it's his mentality and associates that are like-minded that remains. He's only sorry that he got caught!!!

I, also, can't say what I really have on my mind about this man so I will have to leave it at that.

Stacy

rocknK

08-16-2009, 08:42 AM

One good thing that has come out of this horrible affair is that some light has been shed on the despicable dog-fighting business!

miatapony

08-16-2009, 08:55 AM

No it has not if it werent for him being a superstar football A** then it would have been burried and gone but sice he is it wont ..I really think he should have paid more in fines and had to spend monre time in animal controll places for free instead of being released to go back to makeing MORE millions ... I belive he will get caught maybe not running a fighting ring again but he wil have the same friends and he will be right back in the folds.... that is all im saying.

rocknK

08-16-2009, 10:12 AM

Remali

08-16-2009, 12:46 PM

OMG....I cannot believe anyone would defend this guy! Those of you who are defending him, do you really know everything he did? I'm shocked.

As for him paying his dues..... he didn't even get close to doing that.....

twofingers

08-16-2009, 02:41 PM

I'm not defending him. I think it shows how little respect he and many in our society have for life. There are tens of millions out there who have little reguard for life. I think one of the great ironies of the situation is that Philadelpha has been named as one of the largest dog fighting centers in the U.S. he made a choice, a very bad choice. But isn't choice something we celebrate?

cheval

08-16-2009, 03:03 PM

No he shouldn't have, but everyone always knew he was going to be reinstated. I guess he's supposedly a good athlete and they think all his dog fighting stuff is in the past and no one is going to remember what he did.

Riiiiight.

WashingtonBoy

08-16-2009, 03:14 PM

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w63/ecurbh/humor/lester.jpg

cheval

08-16-2009, 03:15 PM

If only dogs could!!!!!!

Remali

08-16-2009, 03:22 PM

WB.... that's hilarious. Oh how I wish dogs could do that! :)

shewasmyshadow

08-16-2009, 03:55 PM

Ranger44

08-16-2009, 05:15 PM

I really think the NFL should have made him sit out a little longer. That would have hurt him the worst. I mean don't they get suspended for drugs and sexual assault? Why not something like this? Why aren't their standards higher? I think the punishment should fit the crime and THEN they should be able to go back to their lives. However, in my opinion this punishment didn't fit the crime.

I'm not defending anyone but, the average NFL career is 3 years. Vick missed two seasons already during this mess he got himself into. He's allowed to go back to work now.

He was tried, convicted and fulfilled his sentence. As a law enforcement person I often see people get less sentence than I would like but that is not my part of the equation so I move on. Let everyone get back to their business and if he steps out of line again it will be his last chance. He has more eyes watching him now than the top ten most wanted list.

twofingers

08-16-2009, 06:59 PM

Why aren't their standards higher?

Money.!!!

miatapony

08-16-2009, 07:03 PM

BECAUSE he can make the big buck again !!!!!!!!

palomino

08-16-2009, 07:27 PM

Vacker Hast

08-16-2009, 07:51 PM

I just watched Vick's interview on "60 Minutes" and he is a very selfish and sick being. He is only remorseful because he landed in jail not because of what he did to the animals. His interview only made me more infuriated that the NFL has allowed him back. He clearly is more concerned about the loss of his superstar status than what he did to the animals over the six years his kennel was operating.

Here is "CBS 60 Minutes" that just aired. He is one sick man and even his new advisors and attorneys to help recreate a good name for him can't take that out of this man!!!

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/60_minutes/video/video.php?cid=60%20Minutes/60%20Minutes%20Full%20Episodes&pid=mOfRZGfCmeds7MG_pXo7pgJoCArXpACq&category=episodes&play=true

ETA: It may say error upon opening .... just hit your refresh and it comes right up.

Vacker Hast

08-16-2009, 08:01 PM

Vick says, "I thought it was cool, it was fun, it was exciting at the time ... it all landed me in jail" Yeah, I see alot of remorse in this sick being!!!!!

Remali

08-16-2009, 08:16 PM

The NFL should be ashamed of themselves for allowing someone like that to be on any team....
I truly hope they all suffer the consequences of this. What an insult to all of us.

HeavensEast

08-16-2009, 08:33 PM

I'd like to think that everybody deserves a second chance, but when it comes to torturing helpless animals, I'm not sure they do.

twofingers

08-16-2009, 10:57 PM

I agree people should have a second chance, but to vick it is all about him. there is no - i understand the cruelty I imposed on Gods' creatures; no, I see how little regard for the life of another being I have. - he is the true representation of our selfish and self centered society. educated in our public schools , who fail to teach morality, ethics or respect for the dignity of life, be it human or otherwise. where God and religion are dirty words. Let's face it he is not a well educated man. In a society where ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER is a viable game show - only because the vast majority of the yous out there aren't- the fans will be here to boo him; but, they will be in the stands. unfortunatly for vick he is in a very physical and brutal game-- how long do you think he will last with out an injury? and anyway isn't he one of those rich bas***ds that the president tells we should hate and whose money he will take and give to those who have been victimized by him (the rich bas***rd).

gabhainn

08-17-2009, 06:30 AM

The time did NOT fit the crime and as for Vick getting a second chance. Okay, he can live without torture, as his victims did not have that choice, and live a very humble life ...Stacy
Well I am about to be real unpopular, I dont like Michael Vick, even before he was a criminal. But the man did his time 23 months in a federal pen, no country club jail he did hard time in a max security prison. He lost a gazillion dollars, and will never make enough in the short time he has left to ever recoup that money. He did his time he should get his second chance. By no means am I saying his slate is wiped clean, I am just saying he was found guilty, did his time, no parole, no good time, his whole sentence, something that most celebrities dont have to do.In fact his celebrity status probably hurt him cuz if it had just been some local yokel it would have never made the news. He earned the right to try and straighten his act up.
As far as the crime not fitting the time lets talk about Dante Stallworth in Florida, got drunk and ran over some one and killed him then fled the scene...He did 30 days in county, you want to be enraged over something how about that miscarriage of justice, at least Vick did real time............Kevin

miatapony

08-17-2009, 07:08 AM

Dante Stallworth in Florida, got drunk and ran over some one and killed him then fled the scene.. If i remember right the guy he ran over was also drunk and staggered into the road.... at night .. not saying it was right .. but i dont think this guy got the right sentence either... someting like this should barr you from EVER doing NFL again ... I belive there are PLENTY of GREAT players out there that would love to have that place on that team .. they dont need people like theses that do stupid crap that our kids and US ... love football ... look up too .. start something new get a new job somewhere else....

gabhainn

08-17-2009, 07:29 AM

Mario Reyes the man stallworth struck was walking from work to the busstop, since reyes was a crane operator it is entirely unlikely that he had been drinking on his job working a crane on the night shift at the port......kevin

miatapony

08-17-2009, 08:51 AM

ok like i s said if i remember ... i was wrong
http://cbs4.com/local/donte.stallworth.charges.2.1030895.html

rocknK

08-17-2009, 08:51 AM

I'm not even gonna mention Ted Kennedy, cause I can't spell Chappaquidick! Or OJ! Seems like you can get away with anything ifn' you got enough dough!:mad:

miatapony

08-17-2009, 09:06 AM

i'm not even gonna mention ted kennedy, cause i can't spell chappaquidick! Or oj! Seems like you can get away with anything ifn' you got enough dough!:mad:

this so true!

Vacker Hast

08-17-2009, 09:43 AM

John told me today that he was buying us tickets to a Raider game (yes Im a Raiderfan, sorry- was instilled in me at a very young age) but he said it was for the Eagles at Oakland. I told him no. No effing WAY am I supporting that team.

I haven't looked at the NFL schedule to see when the Eagles will be playing in Oakland but I used to be a huge Oakland fan all the way back to the Ken Stabler days (The Snake). I have been out of football for awhile now but if Vick makes it long enough in the season to play on the home team of the Raiders I WOULD GO ... I bet they put a hurtin' on Vick!!! Brings a whole new meaning to the saying "Dog Pile"!!! Especially on the Raider's home field!!!

I do believe Vick will be the most watched player by fans and many organizations while on and off the field but he also has the largest target on him and I don't think his career will last very long. Every player will be gunning for him to get the recognition of taking Vick out even if they have to take a penalty since Vick is practicing for QB. The Eagles said they would put him in a receiver position but all the footage of practice he is practicing for QB and they are the most protected player in the NFL (along with the Kickers) while on the field. Each and every game people will be waiting to see who will take Vick Down!!!

Be careful for what you ask for ... you just might get it!!!

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-17-2009, 10:10 AM

Well I am about to be real unpopular, [...]

Well... I haven't spent much energy on the Vick situation beyond the basic facts. Dogfighting is deplorable of course. It's one of those things in life that I just don't understand how anyone finds that to be something enjoyable to be part of.

I don't know what the usual prison terms and fines are for dogfight participants, but is Vick really getting off easy? 23 months in prison I'm guessing is about what others get, if not more than most. If it has cost him millions of dollars, then that's significantly more than usual I'm guessing.

The rich and famous certainly shouldn't get away with things just because of who they are. But they shouldn't be punished more because of that, either. He did the crime, got busted, did the time, paid the fines. I'd say what matters now is who he is now and what he does from here on out.

HoustonFarrier

08-17-2009, 10:16 AM

WashingtonBay

08-17-2009, 10:25 AM

Ex cons and bad people get out and get some kind of job every day...

I think it only ticks people off when that job is one where even a moron is worth millions.

The trouble isn't that he's got his old job back. It's that the scale of compensation in his job is so without scale and perspective. Seriously... what's he 'got' that is really worth millions? Without football, he'd be a moronic thug who'd be lucky to get a job doing ~anything~.

Vacker Hast

08-17-2009, 10:27 AM

After watching the citizens of Washington DC continue to re-elect convicted and self admitted alcholic and crack-head Marion Barry......nothing surprises me anymore.:D

But then again....politicians are not generally role-models :p

Steve

I agree and many superstar athletes have fallen over the years but Vick really went WAY OVER THE LINE!!! Most athletes that have fallen were due to much less crimes such as self inhancing substances not the torture and killing of animals like Vick.

Michael Vick is right up there with O.J. in my opinion!!! It takes a sick being to do these kinds of acts to another being and they have no remorse.

Stacy

HoustonFarrier

08-17-2009, 11:09 AM

Seems like you can get away with anything ifn' you got enough dough!:mad:

Well, I'll tell you. Working at the SPCA, we see ALLOT of these dog fighting rings. And to be honest....most of the folks running them don't serve a day in jail. I think in this case, his fame and public stature actually HELPED land him in jail. If he would have been a no-name goober from the Texas gulf coast, he'd of likely paid a fine if even that, and gone his own way.

I'm not a big believer in doube jeapordy on crimes. He was caught, convicted and served the time as decided by the legal system, and a jury of his peers. He's back in football, making the league minimum. He's got Tony Dungee baby-sitting him, and the league is watching him like a hawk watching a field mouse.....

Only time will tell...as my mother was fond of saying.....actions speak louder than words.

Steve

rocknK

08-17-2009, 01:43 PM

Well, I'll tell you. Working at the SPCA, we see ALLOT of these dog fighting rings. And to be honest....most of the folks running them don't serve a day in jail. I think in this case, his fame and public stature actually HELPED land him in jail. If he would have been a no-name goober from the Texas gulf coast, he'd of likely paid a fine if even that, and gone his own way.

I'm not a big believer in doube jeapordy on crimes. He was caught, convicted and served the time as decided by the legal system, and a jury of his peers. He's back in football, making the league minimum. He's got Tony Dungee baby-sitting him, and the league is watching him like a hawk watching a field mouse.....

Only time will tell...as my mother was fond of saying.....actions speak louder than words.

Steve
HF, I was kinda referring to Teddy & OJ & all the other rich so & so's who kill, rob, rape, stab, etc. hire a sleaze-bag lawyer and skate. The regular crack-head cracker aint got two nickels to rub together. You can only lock so many of them up & the rest of them get to walk too.

HoustonFarrier

08-17-2009, 02:09 PM

HF, I was kinda referring to Teddy & OJ & all the other rich so & so's who kill, rob, rape, stab, etc. hire a sleaze-bag lawyer and skate. The regular crack-head cracker aint got two nickels to rub together. You can only lock so many of them up & the rest of them get to walk too.

Yeah...my undies are in a wad over Ted Kennedy getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom........if you ask me, Mary Jo deserved it more than he did..........she gave her life.

Honestly.......anyone....what has Ted Kennedy EVER done for America.......what???? Now, his sister, Eunice, SHE would be deserving.....but in all honesty, Teddy has not done a DAMN THING for this country that would deserve the highest medal for a civilian.

Steve

gabhainn

08-17-2009, 02:12 PM

Well, I'll tell you. Working at the SPCA, we see ALLOT of these dog fighting rings. And to be honest....most of the folks running them don't serve a day in jail. I think in this case, his fame and public stature actually HELPED land him in jail. Steve
I am glad you said that steve, I was pretty sure that was the case, but couldnt back it up, like I said I dont like him now, didnt then, and sure as hell dont condone dogfighting. I wasnt defending Vick, I was defending the legal process, and I agree I think this is one time celebrity worked against the accused.....Kevin

Remali

08-17-2009, 06:10 PM

It wasn't just the dog fighting ..... please remember what else he did to those poor dogs......

HoustonFarrier

08-17-2009, 07:00 PM

It wasn't just the dog fighting ..... please remember what else he did to those poor dogs......

Ted Kennedy was directly responsible for killing another innocent human being...yet he went on to life a lavish life of a millionaire 10 times over.

What vick did was despicable, cruel and downright horrible.......but not worse than what Kennedy did, and Kennedy never served a day in jail, but got the highest civilian medal that can be awarded.

Steve

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-17-2009, 07:18 PM

It wasn't just the dog fighting ..... please remember what else he did to those poor dogs......

You're right about that. And it's important to consider. Somebody upthread talked about the other NFL guy (the name escapes me just now... Stallman?) that killed somebody in a manslaughter charge due to a DUI crash.

Michael Medved was talking about this today, and I almost called in to comment. He made the basic point that the guy that killed a human being is getting off lighter than Vick, who fought dogs. On the surface there's a fair point. But I think there's a different angle.

Somebody that kills somebody in a DUI crash isn't making a conscious decision to do so. It's not only unintentional, it's clouded by a mind that cannot possibly make rational decisions. Even the best intentioned drunk couldn't make a rational choice even if they desperately need to. A guy like Vick that, stone sober, can decide to do abhorrent things to an animal, is IMHO a worse sort of person than the drunk who kills accidentally. The drunk kills only because of a failure of his/her basic motor skills. The dog fighter enjoys the pain and suffering, and is sober.

That's messed up. That's a much more diseased mind, in my opinion.

HoustonFarrier

08-17-2009, 07:30 PM

You're right about that. And it's important to consider. Somebody upthread talked about the other NFL guy (the name escapes me just now... Stallman?) that killed somebody in a manslaughter charge due to a DUI crash.

Michael Medved was talking about this today, and I almost called in to comment. He made the basic point that the guy that killed a human being is getting off lighter than Vick, who fought dogs. On the surface there's a fair point. But I think there's a different angle.

Somebody that kills somebody in a DUI crash isn't making a conscious decision to do so. It's not only unintentional, it's clouded by a mind that cannot possibly make rational decisions. Even the best intentioned drunk couldn't make a rational choice even if they desperately need to. A guy like Vick that, stone sober, can decide to do obhorrent things to an animal, is a worse sort of person than the drunk who kills accidentally. The drunk kills only because of a failure of his/her basic motor skills. The dog fighter enjoys the pain and suffering, and is sober.

That's messed up. That's a much more diseased mind, in my opinion.

Ted Kennedy was sober the next morning...and the morning after.....and the morning after.....and he was sober at some point before he started drinking......(can you tell I have a REAL thing against drunks???:p)

Steve

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-17-2009, 07:43 PM

Ted Kennedy was sober the next morning...and the morning after.....and the morning after.....and he was sober at some point before he started drinking......(can you tell I have a REAL thing against drunks???:p)

Steve

Oh, sure, and rightfully so. But the drunk doesn't set out that day intending to do harm. They do it only after their ability to make good and proper judgments is already seriously impaired, if not obliterated. The person who soberly decides to make anyone, even an animal, suffer... is worse than that person. IMHO.

Just my .02

cowgirlup@idaho

08-18-2009, 08:15 AM

Ted Kennedy may have been drunk, but he made a conscious decision to leave her, alive in that car, and run just to save his name/career. That is despicable and cannot ever be undone. And yes HF, he deserves nothing and should have never been forgiven by the public to continue his impotent political career.

gabhainn

08-18-2009, 08:17 AM

The person who soberly decides to make anyone, even an animal, suffer... is worse than that person.
That is a valid point, and again I am not defending Vick other than to say he was tried, convicted, sentenced, and the he served his time (day for day no less), but the Stallworth thing is a scathing indictment of celebrity favoritism. Just to give you an example that struck very closed to home, a lady i have worked with for many years has a son, he got drunk and killed a guy in a multiple car pileup.. He was wrong period! I have known this kid since he was about 14 or so, pretty good kid mostly, but because he was a welder and not a pro ball player he got 10 years, which IMO is a realistic sentence, because at the end of the day he killed somebodies father/husband/son. But 30 days is a travesty.......Kevin

Remali

08-18-2009, 10:22 AM

"Oh, sure, and rightfully so. But the drunk doesn't set out that day intending to do harm. They do it only after their ability to make good and proper judgments is already seriously impaired, if not obliterated. The person who soberly decides to make anyone, even an animal, suffer... is worse than that person. IMHO."

Very well said, I agree. While I do think what Kennedy did was terrible and he should have paid the price too.... the drunk doesn't set out to harm anyone. Vick planned everything which makes it all the more evil, in my opinion.

Tatesgram

08-18-2009, 02:35 PM

But the drunk does intentionally drink to the point that he loses his ability to drive or make decisions. No one forces the drinks down his throat.

I loved boxing, especially heavy weights, until they let that thug Tyson box again. I haven't watched a match since.

The Vick thing, same goes, I won't watch a game he's in.