Ted Kennedy is dead [Archive] - Baywind Farm Horse Forum

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-25-2009, 10:31 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TedKennedy/story?id=6692022

Ted Kennedy is dead of brain cancer at age 77.

No matter how we feel about him as a person, this inarguably marks the end of an era. May he find peace.

twofingers

08-25-2009, 11:03 PM

Do you think he will get more "air time" in the news than Micheal Jackson? Not to be callus, but how will the powers that be use his passing?

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-26-2009, 12:49 AM

Do you think he will get more "air time" in the news than Micheal Jackson? Not to be callus, but how will the powers that be use his passing?

Oh... it'll be used. The liberal "hero" mantra is already beginning. Fox News is going nuts over this. They're worshipping the guy, playing old speeches. Count on the libs to play this to the max. If you thought the Wellstone funeral was nauseating... stay tuned. By this weekend Teddy will be a war hero.

I'll save the rest of my comments for another time.

WashingtonBoy

08-26-2009, 06:03 AM

I betcha the new sales pitch on Obamacare will be "We have to pass it, because Ted Kennedy would have wanted it."

gabhainn

08-26-2009, 07:13 AM

it is weird, on one hand I agree it is the end of an era, and on the other I agree it is political hay in the making...........Kevin

rocknK

08-26-2009, 09:47 AM

I hope Mary Joe is in charge of the thermostat where Ted's at now!:nono:

offgridgirl

08-26-2009, 01:19 PM

RIP "uncle teddy!!" He was so young!!;)

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-26-2009, 01:44 PM

I betcha the new sales pitch on Obamacare will be "We have to pass it, because Ted Kennedy would have wanted it."

I was going to post last night that I bet they'll name the thing after him. Turns out I shoulda' made that bet. Byrd is apparently proposing exactly that. [sigh] They're so predictable.

JackieB

08-26-2009, 02:07 PM

I was going to post last night that I bet they'll name the thing after him. Turns out I shoulda' made that bet. Byrd is apparently proposing exactly that. [sigh] They're so predictable.

Well, that one wasn't too hard to predict.

I know he did a lot and was highly respected by many, but I just never could get past Chappaquiddick. I just couldn't imagine behaving the way he did after that accident. But, I do wish him peace now.

Vegashorselady

08-26-2009, 03:17 PM

If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all...I'll keep my mouth shut.

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-26-2009, 03:52 PM

[...]
I know he did a lot and was highly respected by many, but I just never could get past Chappaquiddick. I just couldn't imagine behaving the way he did after that accident. But, I do wish him peace now.

That, and a few other unforgivable things. Secretly meeting with the KGB to develop a better strategy to defeat Reagan... high among them. (Human Events, 12/08/03)

The more I've learned about Chappaquiddick the more revolting it has become. Did you know that Mary Jo didn't drown? She died of asphyxiation. The coroner estimated that she survived for about 20 or 30 minutes breathing in a small air pocket before all the oxygen was gone. I cannot fathom how someone wouldn't dive back down and get her out. To just leave her there, and not even report it. It's unforgivable.

Now I'm trying very hard not to lose my cool over the report today that he'll be buried in Arlington, alongside his brothers. I'm just making a conscious decision not to freak out and just accept it as inevitable. But it's a travesty all the same.

gabhainn

08-26-2009, 03:57 PM

Now I'm trying very hard not to lose my cool over the report today that he'll be buried in Arlington, alongside his brothers..
goes right along with him getting the congressional medal of freedom, maybe now American's will finally move past the mystique of the Kennedy name...............Kevin

Remali

08-27-2009, 05:22 AM

HoustonFarrier

08-27-2009, 05:31 AM

No matter what happened in his personal life, he really did some very good things for the American people.

Aren't you glad that we have COBRA? He was responsible for COBRA, and I know that it sure saved my butt in the past when I lost my job. May he rest in peace.

All the "good" he did in his life was not worth Mary Jo's life, IMHO. Imagine how she felt...alive, and alone under water, cold.....imagine the horror of asphyxiation.....

Steve

rocknK

08-27-2009, 06:01 AM

All the "good" he did in his life was not worth Mary Jo's life, IMHO. Imagine how she felt...alive, and alone under water, cold.....imagine the horror of asphyxiation.....

Steve

No thank you. Better to be run over by a truck or shot in the head like his brother John.

Remali

08-27-2009, 06:38 AM

Well, true..... that was horrid.....there was no excuse for how long he waited to phone for help. I do agree with you about that.

HoustonFarrier

08-27-2009, 07:39 AM

The worst part is...when he DID ask for help...it was to help HIM.....he was so worried about what would happen to HIM, not Mary Jo.

I was talking to my 21 year old daughter about it...and she NEVER HEARD of Chappaquiddick (sp?) or Mary Jo. Another testament to our great govt run school system.

Steve

grandmadeb

08-27-2009, 07:58 AM

I judge him not. He is dead and if he asked and received forgiveness from the Higher Power, he is straight with the house.

lovesfortune

08-27-2009, 07:59 AM

Houston, I was just going to post and ask for more information or a link to info about the Mary Jo thing? I have also never heard of it?

JackieB

08-27-2009, 08:03 AM

Loves,

Just google "Chappaquiddick"

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 08:04 AM

loves... I haven't read all this, and it's Wikipedia, but it seems to give a good summary of what happened: Chappaquiddick incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident)

lovesfortune

08-27-2009, 08:06 AM

thanks WB. reading through it now!

lovesfortune

08-27-2009, 08:10 AM

nope, never heard of this at all. don't remember anything about it in school.

very crazy incident. how sad for Mary Jo.

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 08:12 AM

It is probably what kept him from ever making a successful presidential run. I guess it was forgivable for the Senate, all those years.

gabhainn

08-27-2009, 08:19 AM

f his last name had been Smith, instead of Kennedy he probably would have gone to prison, Camelot be damned.............Kevin

HoustonFarrier

08-27-2009, 08:20 AM

If you've got a few hours to kill, here is a VERY indepth discussion of the events of Chappaquiddick....lots of official dicuments and interviews .....

http://www.peoplesfreepress.com/HTM%20folder/ted_kennedy_accident_chappaquidd.htm

nevermind....it's been taken down...too bad.....

Steve

twofingers

08-27-2009, 10:14 AM

nevermind....it's been taken down...too bad.....

yep god forbid we know the truth.

lovesfortune

08-27-2009, 10:38 AM

i still can't get over how it all went down and he was still able to have the political career he had? any other big scandals like this that we didn't learn about in school? (not to get off topic)

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 10:42 AM

ROTFL! Loves... wondering just what other skeletons in other people's closets you've missed? :)

Sometimes it's better to not look too hard. :D

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 10:46 AM

I actually learned something from reading that again.

He's been single so long I guess I thought he was always a bachelor. I made a comment to hubby this morning that he wasn't married, so it's not like it would have been a huge scandal for him to be having some potential affair with this young aide...

But he WAS married then, and his wife was pregnant and in bed with a difficult pregnancy at the time. I don't know why I'd forgotten that part. That's why he didn't want the chauffeur, and that's why he didn't report the accident. The only surprising thing I guess is that he thought he could get away with not.

JackieB

08-27-2009, 10:49 AM

He's been single so long I guess I thought he was always a bachelor.

He was married when he passed away as well. Since 1992.

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 10:52 AM

Well... doh! Again I guess! I guess I don't know much about the man at all then. :D

lovesfortune

08-27-2009, 10:56 AM

ROTFL! Loves... wondering just what other skeletons in other people's closets you've missed? :)

Sometimes it's better to not look too hard. :D

yeah, i guess. it's just strange that this must have been a big thing when it all went down, but i have never heard a peep about it? how much stuff gets shoved under the rug in politics?

you're right, i don't want to know!!

WashingtonBay

08-27-2009, 11:05 AM

We have remarkably short attention-spans and memories sometimes.

Something happens that at the moment seems like a scandal that someone could never recover from, and a few years later, it's all but forgotten and if someone brings it up they're just repeating old news and being a downer...

HoustonFarrier

08-27-2009, 11:09 AM

Those who forget history....are doomed to repeat it......

Steve

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-27-2009, 12:18 PM

yeah, i guess. it's just strange that this must have been a big thing when it all went down, but i have never heard a peep about it? how much stuff gets shoved under the rug in politics?

you're right, i don't want to know!!

One of the big reasons that the Chappaquiddick scandal didn't have longer legs in the news was that-- quite fortunately for the Senator-- it was all over the news for only one day. The day after the newspapers all blew up with this monstrous scandal... that next day was the Apollo 11 moon landing. Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and naturally it pushed just about everything else off the front pages, and for weeks.

By the time reporters got back around to reporting on Chappaquiddick the Kennedy camp had had plenty of time to smooth things over with the local officials and the Kopechne family and refine their "story", and basically nothing else happened.

Tiz

08-27-2009, 01:36 PM

I don't think like a liberal, so I didn't agree with much, maybe nothing, of what Ted Kennedy presented for legislation. I didn't respect the self destructive lifestyle he led, though in the last fifteen years or so, he had come around a bit.

But.....I also don't think he was a monster. He is responsible for the death of another human being, and I have no doubt that he felt the pain and guilt of that act every day of his life. So, I'm sorry about preaching, but could we have a grace period on discussing all of dark aspects of his life, until he's buried anyway? It seems the proper thing to do.

Ragnar Danneskjold

08-27-2009, 07:10 PM

[...]So, I'm sorry about preaching, but could we have a grace period on discussing all of dark aspects of his life, until he's buried anyway? It seems the proper thing to do.

I'm trying to wait until he's in the ground, but I can't make any promises. :)