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All4Grace
10-28-2008, 09:36 AM
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As some of you may have already guessed I am a huge fan of ghostly tales and experiences with paranormal activities.
Tell me your experiences! I love story time!

Here it one of mine:
My family owns 22acres in upstate NY. It has been in the family for well over 30yrs and will remain so. It has always been one of my favorite places to be. However, down a near by street there was a run-down abandoned colonial type house that terrified me every time I passed by it. I just hated the feelings of fear I got every time we drove past it. One year after telling a friend all about it she asked me to take a photo of the house for her. So while camping with two other friends we drove down to the house so I could take a picture. When we came around the corner the house was burned to the ground, all that was standing was a charred tree that when the house stood was less then 2ft away. In the pile of rumble you could see an old wood burning stove and a rod-iron tub.
I asked my friend Dave to pull over just past the house. However he stopped directly in front of it. Within seconds every hair on my body stood on end and I started to feel a huge amount of pressure on my chest. I felt as if someone was sitting on me. I couldn't breathe. I started flailing my arms around trying to signal to my friend to drive away. His GF suddenly realized I wasn't breathing and yelled at Dave to pull away, as soon as we were about 100ft down road from the house I started gasping for air and crying. My friend said I was a pale as a ghost. After catching my breath, I stepped out of the truck and looked at what was left of the house and that tree...I felt depressed, scared and lonely all at the same time. I did take a photo of the tree, nothing showed up in the photo but I knew as I took it that nothing would. Whatever was connected to that house had its say.
I went back there a yr or two later with the friend that asked for the photo. After telling her all about what happened she wanted to see this place (she claims to be a bit of a medium, but being that I am sensitive (not a medium) but sensitive I know she is not.)
We drove to the site and the field was over grown, the tree was gone, you couldn't even tell there was ever a house there. So my friend started walking the field, to see if there was any lingering energy, but I felt nothing anymore until....
I decided it was ok to go into the field seeing as I hadn't felt fearful, I took two steps and fell... I had tripped over that D@*# tree!!! I got back in the van and haven't gone back to that site since.

KittySawrus
10-28-2008, 10:23 AM
:eek: creepy, All4!! Wow...glad I'm not sensitive...*shiver*

Hmm...
well, I have a Lumley story to tell.
One of the ladies who's worked there for a while now was clearing away at the end of the night - so it was her, the other wenches, and a few guests.
For no reason - no one touched it - a butter dish slid from halfway up the table, off the end and smashed on the floor!
Weird.
Creepy, even.

What else? Well, frequently my friends and I go into the local city of Durham, which is choc-a-block with history and ghoulies and ghosties - but also some nice shops. One time, my mate Charlie and I were a half hour early for our friends, so we decided to go exploring some back streets - they all lead you to either the town square, the cathedral, or the riverbank. One time we were going along a pretty deserted path - leading to the cathedral, where St. Cuthbert is buried - and we just felt really cold, really suddenly. We looked at each other, noticing a change, we could see it on our faces. We continued along this alley, speeding up, which was walled on either side with dilapidated victorian terrace houses and the back of shops.

I don't really know how to describe what happened next - but we felt like there was a presence, right behind us. I felt like I was dead close to someone, but it was just me and Charlie. We broke into a run and could feel the presence still there, it seemed to be getting closer. We ran faster and faster until we came bursting out the other end - into the graveyard of the cathedral, funnily enough :rolleyes:

As soon as we left the alley, the feeling was gone. We went into the cathedral for a while - for safe keeping, I think, but it seemed instinctive at the time.
I can remember how the presence felt, like they were almost stepping on my heels.
We swore we'd not go back down the alley, but we forgot our incident and went down another time, in the presence of our other friends (another girl and a couple of lads). We didn't feel it then. Who knows why? Perhaps we were just winding each other up.

lovesfortune
10-28-2008, 10:31 AM
:::slowly backing out of this thread::::

too iffy for me. i've had experiences, but nothing that didn't involve family members that had passed

I love John Edward Cross Country TV show. But it's not scary. I don't do scary.

Arrow
10-28-2008, 10:45 AM
There's a place where I board where two Appaloosas refuse to go, they can be talked into it after awhile, but I've decided that there's an old Appy ghost there, because no other horse has refused...

EnglishGuy
10-28-2008, 11:08 AM
Those are some freaky stories. I may not be a fan of Halloween, but I do think supernatural stuff is very interesting. I like watching Ghost Hunters, and all those different ghost shows on the travel channel.

I'm lucky I haven't had any wierd things happen to me. I'm glad:cool:

vicklynn
10-28-2008, 11:36 AM
While living in our Seattle home, we had a large foyer, and to the left when entering, was the living room. The wall between those rooms was pretty thick, with a nice big dropped divider, kind of like a U shape, but the U was upside down. Make sence??? Back to entering the foyer, to the right and forward was the stairs, they were L shaped, but you could see the first landing. So, living room on the left, stairs sort of to the right.
In the foyer was my dads desk and a chair on rollers.
Us kids(when mom and dad were out) would run back and forth between the foyer and living room. We were trying to see how high we could jump, and see if we could touch the top of the U. I forget what those are called, sorry. Any way, when running from the front room to the foyer, we would go to the corner, where we put dads chair, and sit in it, wait until each of us has had our turn. One time, my sister went, then I went, and I went and sat in her lap on the chair. We both had full vision up to the first landing from where we were sitting. We both let out a scream. Did you see that she asks, I said yes, and the hair was standing on the back of my neck. We than ran to the boys, in the living room, screaming. We told them what we saw, and the hunt began. My eldest brother, holding a knife, my sister w/a broom, and my brother just older than I w/the ketchup(he was to young and they didnt want either of us with anything, he fought, so they said here, take this,,,the ketchup, made him feel special) and me tagging along with nothing, I didnt care, I was staying behind..lol. We searched the house up and down. Mind you, that is from full basement to full attic, 4 stories. Thats alot of house to cover when searching for someone, or something. LOL
We found NOTHING. We always assumed the house was haunted, and that night, I knew it was.
What my sis and I saw was, a hand, in a black glove, reach around the wall of the top landing. The walls were white, there was NO missing that.
What my parents saw when they got home was. My brother with the ketchup, remember him, he spilt it, so now it looks like there is blood on the floor, oh my, they freaked out...lol
My dads ex wife lived in that house, after that of course. I liked the ghost, he/she/they, used to close the cupboards on her..lol, she got so fusterated at times.

alittleoffkey
10-28-2008, 12:09 PM
John Edwards terrifies me... there's just something not quite right about him.

I have a zillion and four ghost stories... but my current favorite is a relatively recent one. At my last college half of campus is haunted by some ghost or another. I was walking on a very long, straight flight of stairs and heard someone running up behind me so I moved over so they could have room. They met me about halfway up and pushed me up against the wall. I turned around to yell at them... but there wasn't anybody there. :mad: Just 'cause your a ghost doesn't mean you shouldn't have manners! I could've fallen! :nono: I'm still a little mad about that one.

Mandzanita
10-28-2008, 12:19 PM
One of my old co-workers loves to go visit haunted places and she dragged me along for the ride to a place called the Bard Mansion in Ventura. It's kind of known to be haunted and alot of people have seen weird things and camera's capture Orbs all the time. The tour guide was saying most of the sitings were of a man and they seem to think it was the Senator that lived there and is actually buried on the land.

Of course we came equipt with our cameras and once inside we were clicking away. It was a really neat place, I love historical buildings, but I did have the kind of "on edge" feeling the entire tour. There was this one hallway in the place that was freakin FREEZING cold everytime I walked through it. It was like before you entered the hallway it was normal temp and the second you set foot in it you could totally feel a drastic temperature change. I was looking at the ceiling for some kind of AC vent...lol. My friend took a bunch of pictures in the hallway from both sides and pretty much filled her camera with different parts of the house. The rest of the tour was pretty uneventful, weird smelling and cold, but nothing major happened......until we started scanning through our pics once we were in the car on the way home. I noticed in one of her pics there was what looked like a reflection in a mirror, I was just looking at it on her camera screen so it was small and we passed it off as probably a reflection of her as she took the pic. We were bummed that none of the other pics showed anything.

So when we uploaded them to the computer....I seriously almost soiled myself!! That picture we thught might have been her reflection was DEFINITELY NOT her...and it was one of the pics in that hallway!!! It's completely and obviously the ghostly outline of a person and when we zoomed in and cropped it we initially thought it was a woman in a dress but then I kind of recognized military garb...like the long trench coat with with white cuffs and you can even see the buttons!

We called the mansion's staff and they obviously wanted to see it, they were stunned and said they had never seen such a clear shot before and that it was most likely Senator Bard himself, staring at us!! So creepy! My friends was so excited that she sent it in to "The Murray" show and once he ruled out the fact that it hadn't been photoshopped, he featured it and pretty soon she got a call from MonsterQuest wanting to use it!! Pretty crazy....

So here are the pics, pretty freaky...

Mandzanita
10-28-2008, 12:23 PM
This is the Bard Mansion
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This is one end of the freaky cold hallway
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This is the original picture taken...
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Zoomed and cropped....
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This is who they think we saw....Senator Thomas Bard
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FrogInABlender
10-28-2008, 12:46 PM
MAN! That's CREEPY!

Pinky
10-28-2008, 01:23 PM
I've had quite a few instances of hauntings and the paramormal in my first house (now my dads) and I absolutely hate it there these days. There's a presence there and although it's probably an earth-bound spirit I'd rather avoid it if I could.


I'll start by saying I was 10 or 11 at the time most of theses 'incedents' took place and my sister was 16 or 17.

1) The first happened when my sister was sitting in her room listening to a CD and a voice came through the stereo saying "I know you can hear me." It wouldn't have freaked her out if she had been listening to the radio, because we lived on the busiest street in the estate by the police station, and the police radio's usually interfered with our TV's and radio's, but that wasn't the case. After this happened, she ran out of her room, down the stairs and outside to where our dad was to tell him about it. I wasn't home when it happened.

2) We had a microwave that would start counting down 3,2,1,3,2,1 over and over at random times until we would go out and stop it (this microwave was 15 years old by now!). One of those times, a friend and I were standing in the kitchen when it started and after a couple times it stopped and the word KID was spelled out where the numbers would be. That was the first and only time it ever spelled KID. I guess after my parents divorced and everyone (but my dad) moved out, the microwave stopped counting down, started to break out, and he eventually bought a new one.

There are more but...yeah :) We think it was a poltergeist as there were also a few door-slamming incidents and stuff was perpetually being moved! :)

Equine_Woman
10-28-2008, 02:01 PM
Wow!! All those are spooky!!!

The only time I've felt like I was in a haunted place was at Texas A&M. There is a building on campus called the Animal Industries building. It used to be the place on campus where they butchered all the animals for meats class. (In fact the outside of the building is adorned with all sorts of meat animals carved into the facade. Creepy building). I learned from my advisor, Dr. Hesby that a friend of his had died in that building before the meats kill room had been moved. Evidently the man (Professor Roy Simms) was finishing up a carcass he had started earlier in the day and he was alone in the building. The knife slipped and he wasn't wearing his chain metal gear and it cut his femoral artery. He got into the freight elevator and tried to go for help but didn't make it. Supposidly the elevator is haunted. TONS of documentation on that but the elevator wasn't working when I was there. I still had the hair on the back of my neck stand up everytime I went into that building. In fact I hated going there! Dr. Hesby said when they moved the meats department to West Campus he announced rather loudly to his friend that they were all moving now and he should come too. Said it didn't work but he had to try. There is a lot of ghost hunter type of documentation on that building.

There were other places on campus that were supposed to be haunted but I luckily didn't have to visit those!! Yikes!

Whitedresswind
10-28-2008, 02:22 PM
creepy stuff! I don't have any stories, even tho our house is really old, lol

All4Grace
10-28-2008, 02:46 PM
I eat this stuff up! lol I am a skeptical believer lol

Another story:
This is my story by my uncles. A little prologue here. My Uncle is a convservative Catholic. He is quite religious and up until this happened to him he didn't believe in spirits.
Over 13yrs ago my Aunt passed away on our families land in Upstate NY, from carbon monoxide posioning due to a faulty heater. A few months later my uncle was up at the camp site alone for a hunting trip. He was cooking his lunch on the camper stove with the side door open to keep it cool inside, he thought he heard someone walking in the snow by the camper as he turned his head to look out the door (stove is right next to the door) and my Aunt walked by, she waved and said, "Hey there stranger." and kept on walking. My uncle just said Hello and went back to cooking, he then realized that my Aunt had been dead for a few months now. A little shaken up he opened the door and looked out side, there was a smaller set of foot prints in front of the camper in the snow. My Uncle was the ONLY person there!

We firmly believe my Aunt watches over that land. She loved that place soo much and 8-10yrs ago when a tornado torn through the town of Milford, NY it came down our mountain, leaped over our 22 acres and landed on the other side of the river. Our campers hadn't moved and inch!!!

Blue
10-28-2008, 03:15 PM
I don't really have anything interesting...

People at my barn used to breed horses (my barn is like 50 years old). There's this huge back pasture where the moms and foals were turned out. Anyway, one day there was a thunder storm and a foal was laying under a tree. The tree got struck by lightning and the foal died. :( NONE of the horses will go near that tree. I rode back there a few years ago with my old mare and she FLIPPED when we got near there.

SuperSTB
10-28-2008, 03:24 PM
No- Bonnie, what is really eerie is the last entry she wrote in the camping journal. But that would totally freak everyone out here.

You also forgot about the 'cat' at the house in Madison on Liberty Street. I actually thought for quite some time you guys actually HAD a cat as I saw it in the kitchen by the table and another time saw it run up the stairs.

Vegashorselady
10-28-2008, 04:26 PM
I had something happen this morning when I was eating breakfast. I was sitting at the kitchen table eating cereal and skimming the newspaper when I heard someone walking down the hallway and open the laundry room doors. The doors to the laundry room have a very distinct sound when you open it because they slide open and have wooden slats (kind of like wooden blinds but they don't open or close and are thick, know what I mean?) that rattle a little. At first I thought it must be my dad because my parents were at the house over the weekend but then I remembered that my parents weren't there anymore. So, then I thought that maybe one of the dogs must be poking around but the footsteps I heard on the carpeted hallway were definitely human sounding. I looked around and counted dogs anyway. Two of them were outside and the other two were with me in the kitchen. I got up and looked down the hallway, there was no one there and the laundry room doors were closed.:( As I left for work I thought maybe the cat, although I wouldn't be able to hear the cat walking on the carpet. When I opened the front door to leave the cat was sitting on the doorstep waiting to come in.:rolleyes: So, that rules out all the living creatures in the house. I have no idea what that was in the house this morning. I'm just glad I have all the critters for company or else I might have trouble sleeping at night!

Mandzanita
10-28-2008, 05:06 PM
Scary! Keep the stories comming I love 'em!

TacheteTreasures
10-28-2008, 05:13 PM
Mine not much, but we got kinda freaked out once where I used to board because previous to my horse going there, there were 2 horses that I knew that lived in the stall he lived in. They were Belle and Flicka. Flicka got struck by lightning and died, and Belle died of colic. Ranger was in the stall next, and I was cleaning it out one day when I looked at the back wall. It was covered in manure stains, higher than any horses butt, and it was a clear outline of a horses head and it's topline.

All4Grace
10-28-2008, 05:16 PM
No- Bonnie, what is really eerie is the last entry she wrote in the camping journal. But that would totally freak everyone out here.

You also forgot about the 'cat' at the house in Madison on Liberty Street. I actually thought for quite some time you guys actually HAD a cat as I saw it in the kitchen by the table and another time saw it run up the stairs.


Yes, her last entry isn't something I'd want to share. :( But she is there, and watching over the land.

The Madison house cat...hehe... I was getting to him/her.

At our old house in Madison, Ct we were not allowed to have pets after my Nana's old cat passed away, we rented and our landlord HATED animals. We did care for an outdoor cat named Dusty but he mysteriously disappeared one day. After Dusty's disappearence I'd often come home from school and swear I'd see him sitting on the front porch waiting to be fed, I'd blink and he'd be gone.

The way our kitchen was sent up was once you stepped through the doorway the table would be on your left, it was up against the wall and the open side lined with chairs, these chairs had the small polls for the back. Many time friends and family would come over, walk into the kitchen and see a cat run under the table. I can't tell you how many times I'd see them walk into the kitchen then bend over to look under the table as if they were looking to see what run under it.
Many times my father, who worked nights, would come home and he'd open the front door and see a cat run up the steps to the 2nd floor. This cat used to jump on the beds in the middle of the night and you could feel it walk up the bed and lay down, a couple of times he even laid down on my back if I was laying on my stomach.

A few years after we moved out and the landlord gave the house to his daughter, my brother was listening to a radio station in CT. They were telling ghost stories and this woman called in saying she swears she sees a cat in her house but she has no pets. My brother called in immediately and the deejays had him talk to her ask her if it was the house on LIberty St in Madison. YUP! He started laughing and said the indoor cat is Fluff and the outdoor cat is Dusty and they have been haunting that house for years! The radio station ate it all up, my brother recounted stories to them about our incounters with the cats on Liberty St.

I kinda miss that house....ok not the house but I miss the cats. We had pets even though we didn't HAVE any! :D

oursarge
10-28-2008, 06:21 PM
I told this story before on the other forum I think. My grandparents house was old, a few people had killed themselves there, one was a lady. When I was a little kid I looked up at the top of the stairs and there was a lady there all dressed in white with her dress and white hair blowing in the wind. I can still see her in front of me all these yrs later. The hallway from the front door that led to the stairs and also to the room where the TV was always felt ice cold even in the summer.

I never told anyone what I saw, I was little and figured nobody would believe me anyway.

I do love old houses and would have loved to restore that one when it went up for sale. None of the family bought it and it's too bad, I wish that we had the money to buy it and restore it. The people who did buy it wrecked it. The house had a big L shaped front porch and the people who bought it ripped it off, it had so many great features that they tore out. It makes me sick what they did to that house. Anyway when it was up for sale I mentioned to my aunt that I wished I could buy it to restore it but didn't know if I'd want to live in it. She asked me why and I said I didn't know I just didn't. I didn't want to tell her about what I saw. After a few minutes she said "You saw the lady in white at the top of the stairs didn't you" I was shocked she knew. A few of my aunts [6 of them] saw her, my father or uncles never did and my father still thinks we're all nuts. I know what I saw though and if they didn't see her how would my aunt know what I saw because I never told anyone! I know she was harmless, I think she looked sad. She also would look out the bedroom window. One day my aunt went by the house after it was up for sale and empty, she hardly ever looked at the house because it upset her that my grandparents were gone and the house wouldn't be in our family anymore. She looked up and there was the lady at the bedroom window just looking out right at her, the house was vacant at the time. I always wonder if she's still there or if what the people did to the house upset her and made her leave?

My other grandparents house was old too but that had an evil feeling, I hated that house, as much as I love old houses I hated that one. It felt so evil I can't explain it but I was terrified to go upstairs alone. I was OK in the day time but at night I'd never want to go up by myself I'd wait for my parents to go to bed then I would go and I'd lay in bed and shake 'til I'd finally fall asleep, morning could never come soon enough. Grandma always needed something from upstairs at night and I was young and had energy so she'd send me up but I wouldn't go alone, I'd drag my cousin with me, he was a yr younger but he was someone to be with!!!! He lives there now but I've never asked him if he gets that feeling, another of my cousins hated being in the house too.

Annasmom
10-28-2008, 07:40 PM
Oh my gosh that is so freakin creepy

KKblue
10-28-2008, 08:12 PM
I love these :)

cheval
10-28-2008, 08:41 PM
When I was in high school I was invited to a Halloween Slumber Party. There were about 8 of girls. The girl's house we stayed out was on a huge acreage with a lot of junkyard types of things - cars, trucks, appliances. We decided it would be good place to hold a seance.

We walked around the place calling out the name of a friend's dead uncle and when we got bored with that we climbed down into an old house foundation (basically just a hole in the ground but deep). We had candles on a makeshift table and we were just talking when all of the sudden a whoosh of wind came down through the hole - blew out half the candles and we heard the most unhuman deep moan you could imagine.

It was so obvious it wasn't a human voice, it was otherworldly. We all screamed and were trying to climb out of the hole. I lost a shoe and begged one of my friends to run and get it (just a few feet from where I was standing). She did and we all ran into the house and the rest of the night it was like something going around the outside of the house.

Course, we didn't know not to do that sort of thing on Halloween being kids, but I don't think any of us will ever forget that night. I can still hear the voice. It was so beastly but not animal or human.

alittleoffkey
10-28-2008, 08:59 PM
Lol I love it how you're like scolding the ghost. =D If that'd been me I'd of had a heart attack!!

Well it was rude... or deliberately mean - and neither should be tolerated - ghost or not. :rolleyes:

A week or so ago I was home alone and both the dogs started flipping out (don't read any further Will - he nightmares easily ;)). Our front porch runs along the livingroom (so half of the front of our house), I thought I heard someone knock, so I looked through the peep hole to see if there was a car in the driveway - no car, no person standing at the door (no one on the mat or anything). So I looked through the windows and there wasn't anyone in the yard, and then I went to the office and looked out the window (where I can see the porch, but it isn't connected), nothing.

I went and got a gun ("interesting" people like to stop at our house - I don't care if you're carrying a baby - if I don't know you and answer the door, I'm armed with the safety off) then went back down and went to watch TV again. About 3 minutes later I knew I heard a knock, so I looked back out the peep hole and there was a little girl there, so I checked the windows again and there wasn't anyone else out there (but even looking out three seperate windows in 2 rooms - she was standing there, looking around). The dogs were still flipping out so I looked through the peephole (gun in hand - she was right there and the stairs are all the way on the other end of the porch), opened the door - Roto ran through a couple of rooms straight into his crate and Lucky stood his ground and growled - there wasn't anyone there.

So I did what any logical person would do. I stepped out onto the porch and screamed "Do it again! I freaking dare you!" And it has yet to happen again.



A few years ago I was walking back to my Nana's house really late at night (around 1 am probably) and it was a new moon so I couldn't really see anything, and it's not like they have street lights (or I had a flashlight :rolleyes:) but I could've sworn I kept hearing someone walking behind me... so I cut off the road through the woods where I could lose anyone, especially in pitch black like it was. I trotted on home and cut back out onto the road when I was sure I'd lost who/whatever I'd been hearing. The front porch light was on, and the dogs all ran out to greet me and when I was halfway down the driveway (and I could see everything from the porch light) something laughed right in my ear. Boy I got my butt inside! :D



There's an old road that was the only access road to the 'black' part of our town after slaves were freed. No one remembers that it's a road anymore (which is fine by us). But sometimes if you're walking down it, being too loud (like laughing with a friend), you (and your friend ;)) can hear men's voices and footsteps coming up behind you - and if you turn around they stop... it kinda reminds me of the ghosts on Mario - they get closer when you're not facing them, but the instant you turn around they're gone.

And there's always someone/thing stomping on our front porch, even when there's no one there. Especially when you're trying to nap on the couch. :mad:

Mandzanita
10-28-2008, 09:11 PM
These are freaking me out!! ALOK, that little girl one is freaky, ghost kids almost scare me more than adults. I was at the horse tonight in the dark and I kept freaking myself out thinking I was hearing and seeing things...lol

Vegashorselady
10-28-2008, 10:20 PM
These are freaking me out!! ALOK, that little girl one is freaky, ghost kids almost scare me more than adults. I was at the horse tonight in the dark and I kept freaking myself out thinking I was hearing and seeing things...lol

I did the same thing tonight. I was out there all alone too. I should have read this thread after going to the barn, not before. Those few moments after I shut the lights off and walked to my car in the dark were pretty freaky!

Horseless
10-28-2008, 10:43 PM
I saw a ghost once, it scared me.
The End
:eek:

All4Grace
10-29-2008, 09:26 AM
I saw a ghost once, it scared me.
The End
:eek:



AHHHHHHHHH :eek:
:cry: Horseless now I am too scared to do anything. Your story has given me nightmares!
:cry: I hope your happy scarying me like that!!!

alittleoffkey
10-29-2008, 10:13 AM
I agree All4 - Oh the horror! :eek:

Horseless
10-29-2008, 11:50 AM
I know it was horrible, thats why I didnt go into to much details.
You wouldnt have been able to take it.