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elevenelevenxo
10-29-2008, 01:45 PM
I leased for several years and then briefly owned an 11 year old TWH mare this past spring. I rode her for about 4 years prior, but graduated high school and stopped riding for several years, but then found out she was for sale, so I bought her. Stupidly, I DID NOT do a pre-purchase vet exam....as her owners had been family friends for many many years, so I trusted that all was well with her. As it turns out, that was a huge mistake.

Her feet were very long at the time, because her owners' farrier misguidedly told them gaited horses gait better with a long toe. I'd heard it's bad to ride horses with long feet, so with that and being that she hadn't really been touched since I quit leasing her about 2-3 years before that, I worked her very minimally until I had a different farrier out (which was my priority).

The day we were waiting for the farrier, I had her turned out in the round pen. I DID NOT WORK HER AT ALL BEFORE THIS. No lunging, no riding, nothing. She was simply grazing while I sat on a mounting block watching her and waiting for my farrier. All of a sudden, she acted like she had an itch or a fly biting one of her forelegs, but she also lost the use of that leg. For only about half a minute, she was dragging the leg around the pen, not bearing any weight on it at all. I was panicking just like she was, as I didn't know what was happening with my horse and I had never seen this before. Finally she gave a buck, and went back to grazing as if the episode had never happened. When my farrier arrived, she said she seemed "sound as a dollar." When I mentioned it to her previous owners (and sort of current owners....I had been making payments on her and had her a little more than halfway paid off at this point), they said she'd never done that in front of them before and the husband brushed it off by saying she was completely fine.

A few days later, I had her tied in the barn while grooming and she did the same thing. I untied her immediately because she wanted to move and I was afraid she'd go down or something. But it was the exact same thing as the round pen. She hadn't been worked at all and was simply standing there when it happened, and the episode lasted only a matter of seconds.

I made an appointment with the vet who came out and did a complete lameness exam. Tested her hooves, flexion tests, palpated ALL of her legs, etc...etc... And said she seemed completely fine. We didn't do x-rays, as he said he didn't feel it was necessary. He said it didn't sound like EPM or anything neurological, just said if she did it again, to make another appointment. Yeah, and this was the Ohio State University vet....helpful, huh? :mad:

Unfortunately, that combined with some behavioral issues and the fact that my boyfriend and I split up (ended up being temporary, but I didn't know that at the time and it affected a lot a lot a lot of things for me), all the signs pointed to, this horse was going to be more trouble than she was worth. So I stopped the purchase of her.

On another forum, the people told me it didn't sound like tying up or EPM or any of that....but had no other advice really. It's a very strange situation, so I was wondering if anyone here had any ideas? Even though all of this happened in June, I still think about it constantly, as it was a very hard thing for me to go through - I waited 21 years to have a horse to call my own and that was how things went. Granted, much of that was my fault....but still. I'm sure you all can understand. I'd appreciate any ideas!

WashingtonBay
10-29-2008, 02:32 PM
Huh. I've never witnessed EPM in person, so I can't say.

And I've never seen the locking up and dragging behavior in a foreleg. Hind legs, yes... if they have a stifle that locks. Horses have the ability to doze while standing because their joints can 'lock'. Sometimes if they are a underweight or out of shape or built a little too straight, the ligament that locks is a little hard to 'unlock' and they can have to kick or otherwise try to free it.

But I've never seen that happen on a front leg.

elevenelevenxo
10-29-2008, 04:03 PM
WashingtonBay, thanks for the reply. Yeah, that's what everyone else said about tying up - they've only seen/heard of it in the hinds.

I'm just very curious about what went on with her. There is a small chance I may be getting her back - not really by choice.....but I'm having problems getting my money back from these people. I was told they'd refund me when it all happened, but have been jerked around since June about it. I have a contract and everything, but no money as of yet. If I don't get it soon, I may see about simply paying what else I owe ($300) and moving her to the barn I'm currently riding at....it's a huge mess...but obviously that's a big thing to think about if it comes to that.

mustangluver
10-29-2008, 04:29 PM
Maybe she has a tendon that slips.
Can you carry a video camera with you and try and get it on video, so you can show the vet what is going on.

I have seen tying up and its not what you are describing, least my experiences.

good luck :(

Cat
10-29-2008, 05:08 PM
No, that doesn't sound like EPM at all.

I do remember reading that three bars had a on-again off-again issue with one of his legs. It would hit all of a sudden then go back to normal. I think it was bloodworms creating a clot. Maybe that is it?

My other thought would be pinched nerve or a shoulder going out of joint.

John Boy
10-29-2008, 05:12 PM
Mustangluver - I think you are on to something.

I am thinking a out of balance foot created alignment issues with the leg .

Some of our farriers on this board maybe be of assistance.
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I would of taken at least 2 -3 pictures (x-rays)

mustangluver
10-29-2008, 05:29 PM
incorrect trims can cause lots of issues. Might just be something he has to work out and doing work so he can strengthen his leg muscles and get used to the new hoof trim.

vicklynn
10-29-2008, 05:44 PM
I have NO clue, but I want to say, I sure hope your horse is ok and it is only a temporary issue.

elevenelevenxo
10-29-2008, 06:26 PM
Thanks for all the responses.

She's no longer my horse...but like I said, the issue still sticks out in my mind and I'll always wonder what the heck was wrong since both my vet and farrier said she was sound and just fine.

Mustangluver - The first episode happened prior to the trim I had done on her. Before that, the last trim she had was probably around 7-8wks before then. The second time was after I had her feet trimmed, but she showed no signs of being tenderfooted at all.

Ryle
10-30-2008, 07:43 AM
What you are describing sounds so random and doesn't fit any common conditions that I can't even hazard a guess. And unfortunately without seeing the horse DURING an attack it's unlikely that a vet is going to be of much help because they need to physically examine the horse while the problem is occuring (even the OSU vets).