Tiger Woods......

[rocknK]

May be a great golfer but he's a lousy liar. :nono:

[Tiz]

What have you heard from him, r?

[WashingtonBay]

That has been a strangely evolving story this weekend, hasn't it?

I'm glad he's not seriously hurt, as was originally reported. Even minor injuries can spell trouble for an athlete, and I think the troubles with wimmen may mean he's gonna need the money.

[Tiz]

Could be Tiger isn't a slut, but is married to a jealous, insecure, mean woman. Maybe he's been living with domestic violence all along. Taking a golf club to your husband is pretty off the wall, no matter what the provocation, don't you think?

[rocknK]

What have you heard from him, r?
Me & Tiger go way back, yea right. All I meant to say is my BS detector was off the chart when I heard this story, & I do mean "story",

[rocknK]

That has been a strangely evolving story this weekend, hasn't it?

I'm glad he's not seriously hurt, as was originally reported. Even minor injuries can spell trouble for an athlete, and I think the troubles with wimmen may mean he's gonna need the money.

"Bring lawyers, guns & money!";)

[Tiz]

I didn't mean it that way, r. I thought maybe you had heard him speak of the incident. I haven't. I haven't heard how he explained things at all.

[rocknK]

I didn't mean it that way, r. I thought maybe you had heard him speak of the incident. I haven't. I haven't heard how he explained things at all.

He did make a statement. He manned-up & admitted to being human (except on the golf course) & making mistakes, etc. I just don't buy the part of his wife busting the window & dragging him out of the car. I just hope it wasn't one of his favorite clubs!:p

[Tiz]

Well, shoot. The generic "mistakes" explanation. That only means one thing to me. I'm disappointed, and can't believe he repeated the golf club rescue tale to boot.

[Tiz]

Here's the statement.

As you all know, I had a single-car accident earlier this week, and sustained some injuries. I have some cuts, bruising and right now I'm pretty sore.
This situation is my fault, and it's obviously embarrassing to my family and me. I'm human and I'm not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn't happen again.
This is a private matter and I want to keep it that way. Although I understand there is curiosity, the many false, unfounded and malicious rumors that are currently circulating about my family and me are irresponsible.
The only person responsible for the accident is me. My wife, Elin, acted courageously when she saw I was hurt and in trouble. She was the first person to help me. Any other assertion is absolutely false.
This incident has been stressful and very difficult for Elin, our family and me. I appreciate all the concern and well wishes that we have received. But, I would also ask for some understanding that my family and I deserve some privacy no matter how intrusive some

[mare]

Good luck on the privacy part, Tiger.

I dislike ole horn dogs, if that's what happened, but I dislike rumor-mongers just as much. Regardless of what happened, if a married couple needs privacy to either work things out or just to avoid wagging tongues that stir emotions, I hope they get it.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Not much about any of the reports make much sense, and there's been some contradictions already. It's entirely possible that the truth isn't even close to what's been "reported".

[Tiz]

You get my vote, r. The story, so far, clearly doesn't line up, butTiger being a celebrity will insure that the press doesn't lose interest until it's all sifted out.

[vicklynn]

I think they should just leave the guy alone. He is a human being in a friggen accident. I dont wanna know his life details. Hes a golfer, not someone running for president. The media is gonna turn stuff around no matter what he says, and even if it is him quoted, maybe he IS lieing, and for a very good reason. Its not our business.

Did I tell you about my sons father? Lets see if the media jumps on that story with me being no body.
They would tear him up, bring him down and bury him if I was some one. Media, pfft.

[MyMia]

I think they should just leave the guy alone.

I agree, vicklynn! Give the guy and his family some peace.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

There's been an awful lot of tabloid-level trash that has become mainstreamed as "news". It's just gossip. That's it. Sure... maybe they're having some problems in their marriage. Or maybe they got in an argument about what color the upholstery should be in the new Gulfstream. Or maybe Tiger dropped his granola bar and accidentally goosed the throttle when he bent down for it. Or maybe he's just a lousy driver, since he rarely drives himself anyway. I don't know. But I am coming around to the opinion that it's all pretty much nunna my bidness, and maybe that's just OK.

[Remali]

There's new info out there now..... yeah, I agree, Woods is a lousy liar.....
I think as time goes on we'll maybe learn more about what "really" happened....

Thought it was kind of funny on Leno last nite.... they were talking about the whole Tiger Woods thing.... it was something like, "Yeah, sure I've hit my neighbor's mailbox, but that was when I was coming home at 2:00 a.m..... not leaving home at 2:00 a.m....." LOL.

[rocknK]

I guess he won't be doing anymore Buick commercials........:p Or golf club commercials either!!!;)

[Remali]

I laughed so hard..... no more Buick commercials..... OMG that was funny....
Good one!

[rocknK]

You know darned well Cadillac don't want him either!!!!!:p I could come up with all sorts of Escalade & freak parade jokes, but I won't.............:innocent:

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I dunno... there's a pretty good "On-Star" commercial buried somewhere in here...

"On Star here, we show a crash in your vehicle"

"Mmmmph"

"Do you want us to notify emergency services?"

"Mmmphh".

[sound of glass breaking] [female voice] You miserable sonofa____"

"Mmmph".

[lacyloo]

Sounds to me like he's looking for sympathy and more publicity.

[natisha]

He's in a relationship, people argue. He knows what's going on, I don't have to. I do wonder why a nice looking, rich, single guy would even get married. Ever!

[rocknK]

I dunno... there's a pretty good "On-Star" commercial buried somewhere in here...

"On Star here, we show a crash in your vehicle"

"Mmmmph"

"Do you want us to notify emergency services?"

"Mmmphh".

[sound of glass breaking] [female voice] You miserable sonofa____"

"Mmmph".

Marketing genius!!!:p

[JackieB]

I dunno... there's a pretty good "On-Star" commercial buried somewhere in here...

"On Star here, we show a crash in your vehicle"

"Mmmmph"

"Do you want us to notify emergency services?"

"Mmmphh".

[sound of glass breaking] [female voice] You miserable sonofa____"

"Mmmph".

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Remali]

LOL..... ;)


Soooo....now there is a cell phone message he supposedly left to some woman he had been seeing.... the plot thickens....



http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/12/02/tiger-woods-apologizes-for-transgressions/

[lovesfortune]

Yep, everyone is coming out of the woodwork now. 3 ladies? Who else? While I do feel sorry for having his private business being made public. If you are a public figure, you should have figured out real quick to keep yourself in a straight line or everyone is going to know about it. It comes with the territory.

[WashingtonBay]

He shoulda known better.

His brain should have said no anyway... even if the rest of him said yes. I do feel a little bad for him... he's right. For the rest of us, personal sin doesn't demand a press release.

[Equine_Woman]

Wow, I went from thinking his wife was abusive to wanting to get my boots on and help her the instant I heard that voice mail. I realize it's a personal matter but people are going to talk. If he wanted to keep himself out of the spotlight in this way he should have honored his wedding vows. He's a celebrity for goodness sakes. That makes it a lot harder to cheat. . . He and his wife were married the same month my husband and I were. After cleavage gate this week (just at my house, not an international news event) I really feel for her because it looks like he might have actually done something he shouldn't have and the world knows it.

[WashingtonBay]

LOL - you just can't make this up :D

http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/photos/image_20091201/tigerobama350.jpg

We’re sure the folks at Golf Digest thought they had a great cover when they put together the January, 2010 issue.

After all getting the President and Tiger on the same cover of a golfing magazine is like a hole in one.

But that was before the Tiger cheating scandals exploded nationally.

Now the headline “10 Tips Obama Can Take From Tiger” is probably making editors at the mag cringe.

[JackieB]

If he wanted to keep himself out of the spotlight in this way he should have honored his wedding vows. He's a celebrity for goodness sakes.

Boy isn't that the truth. Philandering is so unfortunate wherever it occurs because it's incredibly destructive. But I can't ever seem to understand how any celebrity ever thinks he'll get away with it.

That poor woman to have to discover this and then hear stuff like that voicemail message. And it would be nearly impossible for her to stay away from the Internet. I'm sure that as badly as she is hurting that she wants to know the details.

At least if they can't patch it up and she leaves him, she'll be set for life. She'd get hundreds of millions of dollars. Most women who suffer in these situations are left penniless with children to try to raise and child support to try to get.

[Equine_Woman]

That's true JackieB, she won't have to worry about money if she leaves him. Grrr. I always thought Tiger was a good guy. I don't even follow golf and I had a good impression of him. Not anymore.

[lovesfortune]

Yes, if a celebrity cheats, everyone does find out sooner or later it seems. Shame on him and I do feel sorry for his wife. To find out about what your husband has been up to is bad enough, but to find out by hearing it on the nightly news and on the internet is just so unfortunate.

[HoustonFarrier]

Most women who suffer in these situations are left penniless with children to try to raise and child support to try to get.

Huh????? You're kidding right ???? You've never been to divorce court anytime in the last 20 years or so??? Women do quite well, even when there is no infidelity. The courts do a pretty good job of raking men over the coals....and most states do pretty well in garnishing wages. Sure, there are occasional slips, but it is not like it was in the 50's.

Steve

[Remali]

Women do quite well after a divorce...?! Really? Are you serious.....?!! Tell that to a few of my friends who were left to raise kids by themselves and barely made it.... not all men will pay the child support, and yes they can and they do get away with it....no one has garnished any wages from a few people I know who have been left struggling because of the ex not following thru with child support, maybe Texas goes after the dads, but Florida and WI sure don't seem to.

Yeah, I've lost any and all respect for Tiger Woods.....just another loser athlete in my opinion, giving kids these days more bad images of athletes who think they are above it all. It's too bad.

[HoustonFarrier]

Women do quite well after a divorce...?! Really? Are you serious.....?!! Tell that to a few of my friends who were left to raise kids by themselves and barely made it.... not all men will pay the child support, and yes they can and they do get away with it....no one has garnished any wages from a few people I know who have been left struggling because of the ex not following thru with child support, maybe Texas goes after the dads, but Florida and WI sure don't seem to.



It has taken me 12 years to pay of the debt I incurred in my last divorce. The judge made me vacate the marital residence, yet continue to pay the rent, utilities, and pay child support AND spousal support, her car payments...along with me having to also pay for my own residence. My pay was garnished beginning that same month....and even AFTER the order to cut it off was issued, the state of Ohio did not stop it for another 4 months....and on top of it all, I had to pay HER lawyer...so, don't hand me any sob stories.....:p Maybe some women don't fare too well, but I'm guessing their spouse was already broke or close to it. those of us who weren't payed dearly.

Steve

[Tiz]

I saw that magazine cover and thought NOT THE CADDY TOO!


Tiger, bummer that he doesn't have the class he seemed to. Hope he's invested his endorsement money well, I don't think there will be much more from that sector. At least, though his wife married a pig, no matter what happens she will never be broke.

[WashingtonBay]

It has taken me 12 years to pay of the debt I incurred in my last divorce. The judge made me vacate the marital residence, yet continue to pay the rent, utilities, and pay child support AND spousal support, her car payments...along with me having to also pay for my own residence. My pay was garnished beginning that same month....and even AFTER the order to cut it off was issued, the state of Ohio did not stop it for another 4 months....and on top of it all, I had to pay HER lawyer...so, don't hand me any sob stories.....:p Maybe some women don't fare too well, but I'm guessing their spouse was already broke or close to it. those of us who weren't payed dearly.

Steve

I think you're right. I know a lot of divorced guys who are paying half the living expenses (in the name of the child of course) for women who are already setting up housekeeping with the next guy... Who is probably sending half of his money out the door for his past marriage. It's a big ole round robin.

It's a mess, when there's kids.... nobody gets off ~easy~ except maybe those who had nothing to begin with and never will.

[cowgirlup@idaho]

I don't care who he is, he owes the public nothing. Private is private, all the rest is gossip mongering and the reason why newspapers are rags and TV news is stupid. Same for his wife, private is private. :nono:

[rocknK]

I hear Tiger is changing his name to Cheetah.......You can take the Tiger out of the woods but you can't take the woody out of the Tiger!!!!!:p

[Tiz]

Couldn't help yourself, could you, r? I thought my line was pretty funny too. Did you see the Golf magazine cover?

[rocknK]

Couldn't help yourself, could you, r? I thought my line was pretty funny too. Did you see the Golf magazine cover?
Yes I did, couldn't help but note the dramatic irony!:p Sometimes situations are just so sad that all you can do is laugh because I'm not real good at crying. My heart goes out to his wife & children.

[Fork]

Bottom line? Tiger Woods is and has always been a human like the rest of us. He made stupid mistakes, cheated, did unforgiveable things and lost a lot of respect from his fans.

Maybe I'm speaking too broadly, but this sort of thing does happen to a lot of people.

[vicklynn]

I don't care who he is, he owes the public nothing. Private is private, all the rest is gossip mongering and the reason why newspapers are rags and TV news is stupid. Same for his wife, private is private. :nono:
They dont hear you. They didnt hear us before either.
I think its a bunch of bull. I also dont believe that crap about him cheating, and if he did, so what, that is a problem for him and his wife to figure out, not for everyone else to talk chit about. I wouldnt want it, Im sure he dosnt.

[Remali]

The voice mail he left one of his girl friends is pretty damaging tho.

Well, it's too bad all the way around for everyone. But I think when you are in the public eye like he is, and especially when you are endorsing products like Tiger is, people just expect a little bit more honesty from you.

[cowgirlup@idaho]

Thanks for hearing Vic, I agreed with you on your first post :)

[cowgirlup@idaho]

But I think when you are in the public eye like he is, and especially when you are endorsing products like Tiger is, people just expect a little bit more honesty from you.

I'm sure he is as honest as any other celebrity who endorses certain products, but regardless, his private life is not for the public.

[Remali]

Well, I do agree most people's private lives should stay private....but when you're a huge celebrity, I guess it's inevitable the reporters and press are going to hound you.

[natisha]

Couldn't he afford a hooker like the other celebs?

[Remali]

LOL .....Natisha!

[grandmadeb]

The woman he called his soul mate and best friend took a golf club to him when she found out he had some other ladies in his life. She should have used a wedge!

[oursarge]

I always tell my man if he thinks of cheating think of John Wayne Bobbitt.

I do think what is going on isn't our business and I really don't know all that happened since I don't listen to it or do my best not to but he got off easy if it was just a golf club. It's not just him it's anyone but when they do things like this why do they e-mail and text, they have to know it's going to get out eventually! His wife is beautiful but I guess that doesn't matter since some of the most beautiful women in the world have been cheated on. I look like a bag lady and still have my man.

I never say never but I think my man would leave me for a car before he left me for another woman. I'll say that and he'll come home tonight and tell me he has a girlfriend! I doubt it though since we're mostly together, especially since he's retired! I don't know who he'd meet except for the mail lady and she was one of his students and has 2 little kids.

Oh well, I always feel bad no matter if they are famous or not famous. My cousin is going through a divorce now and it's her little girl who is suffering. It's very sad.

[natisha]

LOL .....Natisha! :p

[Remali]

Well, the hooker thing seemed to work out OK for Hugh Grant....so, not a bad idea maybe? LOL.
Altho Hugh Grant is so impossibly cute and he has that accent..... maybe it was easier for me to like Hugh tho because he owned up to it right away.....

[natisha]

We're up to what, 6 girlfriends now?

[Remali]

That many already?! When did he have time to golf?!!

[lovesfortune]

Totally in poor taste but I heard a joke today:

What does Tiger's wife call him now instead of Tiger?
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Cheetah

[Tiz]

Cute, and it sure fits. Kind of a dumb cheetah, it looks like. Boinking people who maybe could use some money, like a waitress, not the smartest thing a married billionaire, with two kids might do.

[Remali]

LOL.....good one!

[rocknK]

Heard on the news today that Mrs. Tiger has packed up & left. "Poor" kids, all the money in the world can't buy a happy home. I bet Tiger's Dad is spinning in his grave.

[lovesfortune]

yeah, i think some women can forgive 1... but the count now is up to 10.... that's a lot to "get over" or forgive....

but i do hope the best for his wife and those children.

[WashingtonBay]

but the count now is up to 10.... that's a lot to "get over" or forgive....

It's not a moment of weakness or a mistake any more, it's a lifestyle...:rolleyes:

[mare]

Ten! The $*%+ ! I hope he didn't bring home one of the gifts the keep on giving to his wife. Blech!

[OffGridGuy]

And Sir Paul McCartney thought his divorce was expensive.

[lovesfortune]

breaking news this a.m. is that a woman was taken in an ambulance to the hospital from their home. they aren't releasing if it was his wife, her sister or her mother....

[natisha]

I'm going to be the freak here, as always :) I would have an easier time forgiving 10 than one especially if the one was an actual relationship he had developed. Not that I would ever forget but if I really loved him (lifestyle) I could over look it (for the money) & I'd keep him around.
But if with enough money from a divorce settlement to live the way I want (without putting up with his dog boy ways) he would be gone. I would let my lawyer decide which would make the most business sense. Cold & calculating? You bet.

[Equine_Woman]

I'm with Natisha I think. Although I'd get something in writing to ensure a pretty fat sum if he left after I stayed. Mostly I'd do that so I wouldn't have to fight for my children or ever be away from them. I would be happy without a man, as long as I had my kids and my horses. lol.

[Remali]

It's being reported now that his wife has moved out, and now there are reports that Woods indeed did have alcohol in his system...

[jeezitsjacki]

the women that was removed from the home was his mother in law.... who has now been released from the hospital... love that chetah joke, heard it today in class... not sure how I feel. I think a persons life should be private, but when your a celebrity, thats not going to happen... look at jon and kate goslin..same thing..

[Buckpoco]

Well, now he's out of golf...time to repair the damage. Good Luck.

[Tiz]

What a complete and rapid crash and burn.

I agree with you, Natisha, 10 boink partners does not equal 1 "relationship". Still, I'd take the money and make my way out the door. This sounds like too much rehabilitation to me.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I haven't posted a lot on Tiger. To be honest it's not high on my radar. I don't really care. But as a cultural event it's hard to ignore for long. Here's something I posted on another forum. I'll post it here to see if anyone finds it interesting:

I’ve been letting much of the Tiger stuff slide by without too much attention. But here’s what I think about all this... after some consideration:

More than anything, the Tiger situation just makes me sad. Sad to find out that a supposedly classy guy has been anything but... Sad to think of what a jerk it takes to cheat on his beautiful wife, home with his kid. Sad to see a guy that is up there with the greatest golfers of all time have it all start to dissolve. He had it all... and now it’s crumbling away. That’s a sad thing. It’s sad for him, sad for her, sad for the kid, and sad for all the fans that looked up to him. Why can’t just ONE of our cultural icons actually live up to the myth created around him? Not even one? Dang... and Tiger had a better running start at living up to the dream than most.

But all that said: It may actually be that He and Elin work out some way for him to fix this. If so, she’s already way more forgiving than he has any claim to. But if she does... and more importantly: if Tiger’s chain has been jerked far enough that he now sees who he is with true perspective... that some ghost of his father is speaking to him now saying “you’ve got ONE chance to be a real man again”... and maybe he really gets it. Maybe he gets right in the head, realizes that he has been stupid and foolish and needs to be a real man from here on out.

I don’t know what’s going on between him and Elin. I don’t believe ANYTHING I’m reading on this, since everything is running at the tabloid-level. We’ll see. Either way he’ll either get what he earns or get what he deserves.

[cheval]

One of the guys at the office said, "if you're happy in your marriage and you really love your wife, you don't cheat on her".

What do you guys think about his statement? Sounds true to me.

Tiger must not have been too happy to go and do that with so many women.

[Tiz]

Wow, that's an interesting, yet antique, take on the subject of cheating, Cheval. The woman is wrong. She's not making her man happy. Yeah, that's what makes a good man act like a scumdog.


I agree with you, R. Just disappointment here that he wasn't what I thought he was. I hope his Dad is speaking to him, as you suggested, and wasn't the role model for this behavior. That would stink some more.

[mare]

I can see where that statement is about committment, too. Not just "if your woman is treating you right."

If these two can make a go of their marriage I congratulate them. I would not be able to get past all that. I wish them the best.

[rocknK]

One of the guys at the office said, "if you're happy in your marriage and you really love your wife, you don't cheat on her".

What do you guys think about his statement? Sounds true to me.

Tiger must not have been too happy to go and do that with so many women.

Thats about the way the cookie crumbles. I think the fella must not be too happy with his life as a superstar to be this self-destructive.

[Tiz]

I think it's more likely his life as a superstar has skewed his self image to the point he believes his own press, and he's simply taking advantage of what he thinks is his other worldly status.


I hope he's now jolted back to reality, and their lives work out in a satisfactory way for both he, and his wife.

[natisha]

One of the guys at the office said, "if you're happy in your marriage and you really love your wife, you don't cheat on her".

What do you guys think about his statement? Sounds true to me.

Tiger must not have been too happy to go and do that with so many women. Could be an excuse to justify what you want to do.

"I loved my wife & was happy. Then I saw this readily available hottie & realized I wasn't so happy after all......So I banged her."

I think Tiger was quite happy to do what he did & I doubt he thought of his wife at all while he was doing it.
If I acted on every impulse I get I would seldom be upright.

[saddlebum]

I have to agree with Natisha. He wasn't thinking about his wife, family, or anything else. Just did the hottie now he has to pay the piper.

I also wish the media would just drop the subject. there are young men and women being blown to bits in the big desert and our news media spends hours covering garbage stories like this one.

[Remali]

I agree with Cheval.... if you're happy with your marriage, you wouldn't even think about cheating....

More companies are dropping Tiger like a hot potato now....

[Tiz]

Psst..Remali, men are different.

[Remali]

LOL.....well, SOME are different.... but not all men cheat.... ;)

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I'm not sure that affairs happen necessarily because there is anything wrong with the relationship. It could be, of course, but I think there are lots of reasons that things can happen. It certainly doesn't have to mean that he doesn't love his wife enough, or that there is something missing that ought to have been there. In a way the affair will always be about something different, something forbidden and dangerous... some drama and intrigue. No healthy relationship can or would or should provide those kinds of things.

It's like saying that if you really loved cake, really truly loved cake, you'd never be tempted by pie. And somehow it means that you don't love cake anymore. Yes, I know that's a clumsy metaphor, but it does get at something important. The attraction to one doesn't say anything at all about the relationship with the other.

A pschologist on some news show made what I thought was an interesting observation. Tiger's life is absolutely perfect. He's married to one of the most beautiful (and seemingly happy) women on the planet. He plays golf for a living and has more money that he could probably ever spend. He now can have everything he wants, no waiting, no stressing, no anticipation, no drama. In other words... nothing is really all that interesting. So he creates drama... intrigue... danger. Of course the problem with creating danger is that something real must be risked, and risk means it can really go all wrong... and it has.

[cheval]

Wow, that's an interesting, yet antique, take on the subject of cheating, Cheval. The woman is wrong. She's not making her man happy. Yeah, that's what makes a good man act like a scumdog.


I agree with you, R. Just disappointment here that he wasn't what I thought he was. I hope his Dad is speaking to him, as you suggested, and wasn't the role model for this behavior. That would stink some more.

Tiz, it wasn't my opinion. And out of all the men at the lunchroom discussion (about 8) it was unanimous. That's why I was asking the men here.

[Tiz]

Yes, Cheval, I didn't say it was your opinion.

[offgridgirl]

Well the # is up to 16! I guess Tiger believes in the old saying
"if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with"-BTO(?)

Being on the road most of the year means he is not home. Maybe with this time off he and his wife with be able to work things out.:)

[HoustonFarrier]

Well the # is up to 16! I guess Tiger believes in the old saying
"if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with"-BTO(?)


Crosby, Stills and Nash.


Steve

[Remali]

Good one.... "love the one you're with".... and in Tiger's case that means ALL of 'em! ;)

Sounds like more sponsors are dropping him....

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

At the rate things are going I won't be surprised if it turns out that there were hundreds of women.

I'm starting to wonder if I should be disgusted... or envious. :eek:

I mean... one affair is a scandal, but a hundred is a legend! :popcorn:

[Tiz]

Tiger and Wilt. Yeah, sure.

[natisha]

Tiger and Wilt. Yeah, sure.:hysterical: Tiger & wilt in the same sentence.

[Tiz]

He's young. Probably a few years before he has to face that, unless Elin gets a hold of a sharp knife instead of a golf club next time.

[rocknK]

Now he's been voted "Athlete" of the decade. Yea, like golf is a sport. He is very talented at golf no doubt, but "athlete", I don't think so.

[Remali]

I agree rocknK..... "athlete".....golf?!!! me thinks not!!! LOL.