Hooray for Fox News

[Arrow]

Shepard Smith and Joe the Plumber:

YouTube - Shep Smith grills Joe the Plumber on Israel

Good job here by Shepard Smith. There are pros and cons to Obama's plans, there's room for disagreement about them, but here's a news anchor who thinks that giving so much news coverage to a completely uninformed guy is a little silly. Gives whole new meaning to the Republican tv ads out there right now with all those people saying, "I'm Joe the Plumber." Smith's comment at the very end sums it all up.

[rocknK]

I heard him agree with a statement at the begining of the clip, I heard him say folks need to be informed & make up their own minds. Sounds like they were trying to twist his words. I've never heard Obama say anything about friendly relations with Israel. Maybe I haven't been paying attention. The one thing I do know is that the minute Israel feels threatened by Iran it'll be a parking lot.

[Arrow]

I've never heard Obama say anything about friendly relations with Israel. Maybe I haven't been paying attention.

Got it in one.

[WashingtonBay]

Well, just to be fair and balanced, I wouldn't quiz Shep very hard without his teleprompter, he's a Mimbo.

[Arrow]

Got it--he's the exception that proves the rule at Fox News, is he? He's the one that allows Fox to claim that they represent more than one point of view?

But wait a minute...if it's on his teleprompter...it's not really his opinion, is it? In fact...it's the opinion of Fox News! All of Fox News thinks that Joe the Plumber's 15 minutes of fame should be up and McCain would be better off without him. Sounds fine to me.

[WashingtonBay]

I'm not making any kind of statement about Shep's political philosophy (I think he's actually conservative), the quality or choice of questions, or whether it's good news reporting to grill Joe the Plumber on presidential policy.

I just think the man is himself, an airhead. I've seen him report. He's a mimbo. ;) The left does not have a monopoly on 'people who are not all that bright'. Some of them have ended up on my side too. :p

[WashingtonBay]

Got it--he's the exception that proves the rule at Fox News, is he? He's the one that allows Fox to claim that they represent more than one point of view?

No that would be Alan Colmes.:rolleyes:

[Arrow]

I don't disagree. And really, you are taking my thread in the spirit it's meant--it isn't about Obama or McCain or their policy choices, it's about giving airtime to Joe the Plumber. So I thank you for that! Oh, and...I'll never be on your side!:p Actually if we sat down and went through a list, I'm quite sure that I'd be on your side on a number of political issues. And I know we'd always be on the same side on horsie things--what's best for the horse.:cowboy:

[rocknK]

Since I'm an electrician I'm gonna have to give Joe a few props. Most plumbers only know three things. 1-Payday is on Friday. 2-Poop runs downhill. 3-Don't lick your fingers! So for him to have a few intelligent political views is a good thing. He actually sounds smarter than your average voter! Still waiting for Obama/Israel friendly stuff.

[Arrow]

Shepard Smith tells you that Obama says it repeatedly--I'm not digging around for other stuff. It's right in Shepard Smith's piece from Fox News, the fair and balanced network.

[Arrow]

Like I said, I'm not going to go around looking for stuff, but here's a Snopes report of Obama talking about Israel being our strongest ally in the region during the debates.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/israel.asp

[WashingtonBay]

'A vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Isreal' is a valid fear I think. I think it's too bad that Joe couldn't articulate why better, but that's Joe.

It has nothing to do with being antisemitic or anything overt Obama might overtly DO TO Isreal.

"But Obama's always said he's a friend of Isreal". What does that mean Shep? Good lord, I only now listened all the way through to the end. Drama Queen with no understanding of complex cause and effect. It has to do with his weakness, both real and perceived, and what he will be willing to sell, give up, or barter away in the hope of being a friend to everyone else. If I think he's too weak to defend the US against the bad guys, I can't exactly think he'd defend Israel any better. And Israel without our explicit support (not just friendship) is in a very precarious position.

[Arrow]

But that's a different debate, WB--RocknK asked for info stating that Obama is friendly to Israel, and that's so easy to prove that it's laughable.

As to your point, it's debatable, and I disagree. ***shrugs*** nothing wrong with that.

But that wasn't RocknK's question--he said he wanted proof that Obama is friendly to Israel, and that's easy to prove.

[Arrow]

Plus, go ahead and call Smith a drama queen. It makes no never mind to me. I'm so tired of hearing that folks won't believe anything that's written in the New York Times or Salon, that I provided something written by Fox News. I know what you're going to say--I don't believe EVERYTHING from any news agency, but I find that ironic coming from folks who won't believe ANYTHING from the "liberal media." You want to have your cake and eat it, too.

[WashingtonBay]

I don't think quotes of Obama saying nice things about Israel is Rockn's point either. It's not about feeling nice and affectionate about the place or it's people and singing Kumbaya. Will he protect and defend and hold fast even when it gets hard, or unpopular, or is not cheered in the media, or will he pay the ransom. This is the issue.

[WashingtonBay]

Plus, go ahead and call Smith a drama queen. It makes no never mind to me. I'm so tired of hearing that folks won't believe anything that's written in the New York Times or Salon, that I provided something written by Fox News. I know what you're going to say--I don't believe EVERYTHING from any news agency, but I find that ironic coming from folks who won't believe ANYTHING from the "liberal media." You want to have your cake and eat it, too.

I think the right answer is beware of people who are giving you cake. :popcorn:

I'm pretty good at spotting people who are pushing sensationalism of any kind, whether on the left or the right.

Spotting the BS. Recognizing the spin even from a guy who is telling you there is no spin, that's the skill we need. :)

[Tiz]

"RocknK asked for info stating that Obama is friendly to Israel, and that's so easy to prove that it's laughable."

Then answer him, Arrow.

[Arrow]

I did, Tiz, I did. Read the Snopes link.

[Sundays Man]

Plus, go ahead and call Smith a drama queen. It makes no never mind to me. I'm so tired of hearing that folks won't believe anything that's written in the New York Times or Salon, that I provided something written by Fox News. I know what you're going to say--I don't believe EVERYTHING from any news agency, but I find that ironic coming from folks who won't believe ANYTHING from the "liberal media." You want to have your cake and eat it, too.

Maybe you should watch Fox news more. Thier 40% liberal guests and 40% conservative guests sounds pretty fair to me. And the fact that they let Howdy Doody Colms hang around is amazing to me. I honestly do not in my heart of hearts think that he believes all of the junk he comes out with. Common sense died and left that boy defensless. Funny that some of the programs I watch I don't think of them as conservative or liberal, but liberals say they are conservative or republican just because they don't parrot all of the things they believe they way NBC, CNBC, NY Times, etc, etc. If you listen closely to some of the programs and not believe everything NBC, CNBC, NY Times says about them you might find that they just lay out some facts. However, you'd better hurry since they might be banned from broadcasting after his majesty Obama gets in office. That or forced to broadcast from Canada. Sort of like banning certain stations from interviews because they ask tough questions or kicking certain reporters off of the Big "O" plane. Not that he's vindictive or anything, just agree with him or take a hike.

[twofingers]

I think that any of you who think BO and the dems are a good idea and represent freedom and liberty - just think Joe lost his job, the paper who supported mccain were tossed off the plane. here in Seattle we have a lefty paper that is publishing pictures of homes with McCain/pallin posters and printing their addresses and asking who has the courage to do something about cleaning up the neighborhoods. :nono:

[missdixie]

Whoa guys there is no need to attack Arrow! Geez, she tries to step out of the box and introduce a little bipartisanism with a story from a clearly republican network when she's a democrat, and you guys are on her like a pack of wolves for having an open mind to your side. And BTW twofingers, that was bad on the newspaper, clearly, but it is not just the dems. Here in Bellingham I saw Obama posters just the other day that had been spraypainted all over. And as for BO kicking the papers off the plane, they had run out of room so they decided to give the free ride to people who support them, which is an obvious choice to me. Those networks/papers/etc that support McCain will still be at the rallies, they will just have to find their own ride. I highly doubt McCain offered a spot to MSNBC on his plane.

[Arrow]

Thanks, missdixie!:)

[WashingtonBay]

No one's beating up on Arrow, just arguing with her!

And I don't think this really qualifies in the spirit of "bipartisanship" ;)

[rocknK]

Arrow, one article regarding the debates near the end of an election cycle says to me that some folks will say anything to get elected. In their little corner of the sandbox (literally) Israel doesn't have any friends. They are surrounded by enemies who for religous reasons have sworn to exterminate them. Israel has already proven the capability to fly into Iran & bomb nuclear facilities. What do you think they would do in the case of an attack?? I assure you they won't be waiting for help from "friends" half way around the world.:2cents:

[Arrow]

See, that's why I didn't bother finding anything else. I mean, really, what's the point? You believe what you believe.

[WashingtonBay]

The other role we play with Israel is holding them back.

They would have loved to have helped us in some of our recent ventures, but letting them do so would have thrown the whole area into more turmoil.

It's a complicated friendship. :)

[rocknK]

There will be no holding them back if they are attacked or even threatend. I admire Israel, they prefer to act, not react.

[WashingtonBay]

They were attacked repeatedly in the first Gulf War. It takes a strong leader to say "I know, but you have to let us do this". And they did hold back, because they did trust that we would take care of it. That trust is important, if you're going to tell someone they can't defend themselves their way.

[rocknK]

SCUDS are more like a flying car bombs. They're used to those. I'm talking more like 1967.

[Sundays Man]

Arrow, one article regarding the debates near the end of an election cycle says to me that some folks will say anything to get elected. In their little corner of the sandbox (literally) Israel doesn't have any friends. They are surrounded by enemies who for religous reasons have sworn to exterminate them. Israel has already proven the capability to fly into Iran & bomb nuclear facilities. What do you think they would do in the case of an attack?? I assure you they won't be waiting for help from "friends" half way around the world.:2cents:

Ya got that right. They would turn Iran into a glass skating rink when all the sand melts!:)

[Sundays Man]

Arrow, I hope you didn't think I was "attacking" you. I appreciate you and your posts and threads. If we don't have open dialog and a place to vent, we might all explode.

One thing I'm feeling this election is something that I have NEVER felt and that is apprehension and concern. I wouldn't say fear, yet. Talking to the friend of a pawn shop and gun shop owner, he says that for a while gun sales were way up but now gun sales have all but stopped. However, he added that he can't possibly keep up with the demand for ammo. He says that many are hauling ammo out by the cases. He says he hasn't seen anything like this volume in all his years of owning a gun shop. Now that concerns me. What are people thinking and planning for, Armageddon?

There is something very different about this whole situation. Lines are drawn and are more pronounced than I've ever seen them in my many years as a U.S. voter and it goes way beyond politcal beliefs. Families are being divided, friendships are being broken. I fear what would happen to our country if something ever happened to whichever candidate gets elected. We are living in perilous times, financially, politically, religiously and many other ways. We have the possibility of going down the same road as the USSR, except for different reasons. Who would have thought that a major world power would be able to take as rapid of a fall as they did. It could also happen to us if we don't come to our senses and work together for a common solution to our problems in a peaceful and mutually beneficial manner.:cheers:

I think Ronald Regan had it right when he said, "The government is not the answer to our problems, the government IS our problem". Amen Ronald!! I miss that ole boy.

[Arrow]

It's all good.:)