videos of misty

[mistygirl]

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sorry there very short


next time its my turn she was showing me what to do and then when it was my turn we ran out of time



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[mare]

She's a cute horse. Have fun. :)

[Gypsy Rose]

She's a real cutie!

[AppyLover]

Yes those where short. lol.

For all intensive purposes I would like to see longer videos if they can be done. For the few seconds that misty was on tape she looked like she was "going through the motions" but not really in tune to the handler. I cannot tell if she improved her connection or just humored the requests.

But she did look for the most part controlled and not all crazy in the seconds she was caught in.

:)

[natisha]

Yes those where short. lol.

For all intensive purposes I would like to see longer videos if they can be done. For the few seconds that misty was on tape she looked like she was "going through the motions" but not really in tune to the handler. I cannot tell if she improved her connection or just humored the requests.

But she did look for the most part controlled and not all crazy in the seconds she was caught in.

:)From what I have heard you're correct in your assessment of Misty.

[Peggy Sue]

They are really two short BUT she does have an ear cocked towards you and isn't pulling on you ... other then that can't tell much

next time try to get longer video with your turn arounds included :)

[natisha]

They are really two short BUT she does have an ear cocked towards you and isn't pulling on you ... other then that can't tell much

next time try to get longer video with your turn arounds included :)Not that it matters but that is HeavensEast in the vids.

[HeavensEast]

Yes those where short. lol.

For all intensive purposes I would like to see longer videos if they can be done. For the few seconds that misty was on tape she looked like she was "going through the motions" but not really in tune to the handler. I cannot tell if she improved her connection or just humored the requests.

But she did look for the most part controlled and not all crazy in the seconds she was caught in.

:)
She has a huge issue with paying attention. Every time she turned her head to the outside, I would give a little tug on the lunge line to get her focused again. But it will take time for her to actually tune into the handler. She doesn't see a reason to .. yet.

[Peggy Sue]

wasn't sure who it was I meant "you" in general

glad she is still helping

[natisha]

wasn't sure who it was I meant "you" in general

glad she is still helpingWas helping. HE has been fired too. Though she is allowed to video tape the lack of progress & give MG rides to her farm.

[zoel_222]

Was helping. HE has been fired too. Though she is allowed to video tape the lack of progress & give MG rides to her farm.

odd...:huh:

[miatapony]

Was helping. HE has been fired too. Though she is allowed to video tape the lack of progress & give MG rides to her farm.


she was not fired she was demoted. now lets all just have a drink and see how this goes. :cheers:

[HeavensEast]

I'm going to stay out of this because I want to remain friends with MG, but my involvement is Misty's training is no more. I was willing to help along with AppyLover and reinforce her lessons, but she doesn't want any confusion. I still would like progress reports, because I care about them both.

[natisha]

she was not fired she was demoted. now lets all just have a drink and see how this goes. :cheers:I already know how this will go unless she gets some hands on help. MG is a visual learner. I understand Misty is already back sliding with her behavior.
Natural horsemanship, join up or whatever you want to call it is all well & good but you still have to know what you're doing or you end up having a horse that needs retraining instead of training. By 'you' I mean the person handling the horse.
I mean no disrespect to AL or MG, just stating the facts.
(MG, you need to be honest with AL or she can't help you)

[AppyLover]

Perhaps I have been too quiet in this...

Yes I am helping MG, I have been sending her videos and phone conferencing with her and her mom on what I want done.

Now there is some confusion about HE helping. I have said that the two girls are more than welcome to work Misty together and that HE is more than welcome to help MG with anything currently on the ground that does not push MG past or beyond the lessons I am trying to work her through. (i.e. I do not want Misty ridden yet by either...ect.)

HE is right I don't want any confusion in MG's lessons because there are 20 million ways to do one thing, and I want MG focused on one way before she gets thrown into that wild sea of information. I am working a base for MG to build from. Currently I am not teaching her anything beyond getting her horse's attention. Before I push them into more complicated work I want that horse knowing that MG is boss and not a subordinate to be reprimanded at every turn.

I have drilled into MG about honesty and if there is anything unclear about what I am asking to call me right then and there to get it cleared up, and so far she has. I have faith that she can do the lessons I have her at. It will take time and there will be no overnight quick fixes, but there will be improvement as long as MG works hard and is consistent and honest about her progress.

There was a mix up and a misunderstanding in the beginning when MG asked for help and with respect to everyone involved, no one was fired and your help and input is highly valued.

(I am expecting an update tonight with video to evaluate where MG and Misty are in their relationship).

[natisha]

It will take time and there will be no overnight quick fixes, but there will be improvement as long as MG works hard and is consistent and honest about her progress.

I'm not sure what you mean by quick fixes. The horse doesn't need fixing, she needs training. She is just starting to learn, this should be the easiest time in her life to teach things.

[AppyLover]

All I mean is that there will be no miracle over night improvements. Everything will take time to be done correctly.

[natisha]

No one expects a miracle but shouldn't there be some improvement in these last few weeks? The only time things went well & advanced is when HE was there working with Misty.
I'm going to be honest here. HE told me she saw 2 videos that you sent to MG to learn from. In the videos your horse Abby was ripping around on the rope, kicking at you, bucking, getting in your space, trying to drag you etc. Is that how you want Misty to be?
I've tried staying out of this but learning of the video has changed my mind for MG & Misty's sakes.
If you think I'm FOS or being mean post those videos here so we can all see what HE was trying to describe.
Prove me wrong & you will have my blessings

[gabhainn]

Ok I am not gonna get in the middle of a pi$$ing match, but I do have a question, and its for AL. With all due respect, and with no questioning of your abilities to train, how can you you help train a horse that you cant put your hands on? ....Kevin

[AppyLover]

All fare questions.

First HE is more than likely right about what she saw but not in what I was going. My first videos to MG I wanted Abby spunky and in some sense being knotty. I wanted MG to see correction, how to stand her ground and how to see when a horse is being aggressive or just being a snot.

Abby was being a snot. I am not going to just send MG videos of every training day going perfect I would be lying to her if I did that. You can question me all you like about how Abby acts but the truth is She is an aggressive boss mare that I have trained, competed on, and trust my life to now close to 9 years through mountain trails that would make a goat blush. So I do know what I am doing and in the videos where Abby gets disruley she is corrected.

Should there be improvement in Misty? Not sure yet I have not seen a video of them working. MG wanted to go out last night but there was a family thing so no luck on the video. I only know about what is going on from what MG reports to me. And so far to my knowledge things are improving. Do I know this for a fact yet, no. But I am trusting MG to be honest.

And with respect to HE, she saw just a couple of videos, and doesn't know what I am doing. If she thinks I am lunging she was wrong. I have had to modify a round pen exercise to be on a line it can look a little spastic, did I like how that turned out, no so I redid it for MG and slowed things down. And for the record I move with my horse, she is not pulling me around. She does not invade my space (she would get heavily reprimanded), she is challenging me and I don't let her get away with that either.

As far as training misty goes, I am not doing that. MG is training her own horse. I am coaching her, helping her gain her confidence to handle a horse that once intimidated her.

I know everyone was falling over themselves for natisha and HE to work with MG and Misty. I never told MG she should not or could not and in fact hands on would have been very beneficial to her, but there was a misunderstanding and that did not work out, and MG asked me if I would still help. Because what I did tell her was that if she goes with them, then I will back out because as I have stated before there are so many different ways to do one thing and did not want to contradict what Natisha and HE would be doing out of respect to them.

As for posting my videos here, no. I will not be head hunted. But if natisha and HE still want to put hands on to the horse and coach MG on how to work with her (not do it for MG), they need to talk to MG and her Mom. Not come after me.

[gaited07]

The video that you speak of is of a reference of a fresh horse and how to get the horse back into focus and control.
Every horse is going to be fresh at one time or another and I seen this video and think its an excellent display of gaining back control of a "bossy" horse.

This shouldn't be a "bashing" session and the main focus is to help this girl with her horse. I think the team work together is great but to berate another forum member for helping is not really cool.

I also think that MG needs hands on work from someone locally to improve her confidence and ability to gain respect of this horse. HE is a good friend to help and give advice and Natisha you too have been helpful. Why don't everyone keep their focus on this kid and helping her? (if she wants it and respects it)

I think the world of all of you guys and this kid is just a confussed kid that loves her horse and wants to learn. Lets teach her together with out the ???

[WashingtonBay]

I do think this is a case where the dynamics aren't making a lot of sense. I don't get it, I think people just seem more bewildered and confused about what's happening than bashing or even taking a side. I don't understand why there are sides. I don't understand why there's this recurring issue of whether HE and Natisha are allowed to help or not. I don't understand why AL thinks anyone would bash her for anything she shows in a video. There are lots of threads where advice is given, sometimes tactic or ideas conflict but that's no big deal. People work it out, pick the one that seems to fit that day to try.... or they try them all and see what works for all the players. Color me confused.

[zoel_222]

I do think this is a case where the dynamics aren't making a lot of sense. I don't get it, I think people just seem more bewildered and confused about what's happening than bashing or even taking a side. I don't understand why there are sides. I don't understand why there's this recurring issue of whether HE and Natisha are allowed to help or not. I don't understand why AL thinks anyone would bash her for anything she shows in a video. There are lots of threads where advice is given, sometimes tactic or ideas conflict but that's no big deal. People work it out, pick the one that seems to fit that day to try.... or they try them all and see what works for all the players. Color me confused.

^^^ This is where I'm at too.

[gaited07]

No one expects a miracle but shouldn't there be some improvement in these last few weeks? The only time things went well & advanced is when HE was there working with Misty.
I'm going to be honest here. HE told me she saw 2 videos that you sent to MG to learn from. In the videos your horse Abby was ripping around on the rope, kicking at you, bucking, getting in your space, trying to drag you etc. Is that how you want Misty to be?
I've tried staying out of this but learning of the video has changed my mind for MG & Misty's sakes.
If you think I'm FOS or being mean post those videos here so we can all see what HE was trying to describe.
Prove me wrong & you will have my blessings

Sorry WB,

I see this and I too think that she was bashing or questioning appylovers motives on this video. And the challenge of posting her (AP) videos here so WE can all see what HE is trying to describe???
Please, look beyond the actions, look at the corrections made and the results HE. That is the key of the video.
And as for blessings, there should be no blessings by anyone. Who really has the right to offer blessing to this kids lessons/training. This should be helpful advice to a kid wanting to learn from EVERYONE that she can.

[WashingtonBay]

I understand, and I'm not taking any sides. I understand that some of the people involved are frustrated. But the dynamics aren't making any sense. I'd be frustrated too.

[WashingtonBay]

I guess I just hope that those involved will work it out. I'd help, but I don't understand the interpersonal dynamic here at all.

[Horseaholic]

I'm wondering why someone SO far away is so eager to help? Its like me offering to help a friend braid their kids hair when I'm in FL and they're in Jersey...how am I effectively going to do this? Yea I can talk to her over the phone...show her videos of me braiding my wiggle worm of a kids hair... but if I knew another friend could go to her house and show her how to braid her kids hair I wouldn't even think of offering??? This is one of the most confusing parts to me.

[AppyLover]

I'm wondering why someone SO far away is so eager to help? Its like me offering to help a friend braid their kids hair when I'm in FL and they're in Jersey...how am I effectively going to do this? Yea I can talk to her over the phone...show her videos of me braiding my wiggle worm of a kids hair... but if I knew another friend could go to her house and show her how to braid her kids hair I wouldn't even think of offering??? This is one of the most confusing parts to me.


You are on a forum that is international and you ask why I want to help? We have a training section and a healthcare advice section and a hoof care section....So does that mean no ones advice is worth anything because we don't live right next door?

[Horseaholic]

No I'm not saying that. But in SERIOUS (sry I'm caps locking when I want it to be italics but I can't do that on my phone) circumstances arise internet help can only go so far. we come here for advice and guidance that is GREATLY appreciated but like I said before...can only go so far. We can't trim someone horses hooves over the internet, and we can't give medical treatment over the internet. We come here for guidance that's for sure but there's a point that real life, hands on intervention is necessary.

[AppyLover]

And I do not disagree.

I am not training the horse. I am coaching (giving the best advice and guidence I can) to the handler.

That is all.

[WashingtonBay]

OK - then here's my advice... everyone involved work this out so you're not posting cryptic, defensive or accusatory answers on here that make this all sound very weird and complicated.

If this was a normal situation, people would be trying to make everything more clear, not trying not to say anything.

I'd encourage all of us not involved to bug out, and for those involved to talk to each other, not around each other.

[HeavensEast]

You are on a forum that is international and you ask why I want to help? We have a training section and a healthcare advice section and a hoof care section....So does that mean no ones advice is worth anything because we don't live right next door?
It's not like advice is never welcome on this forum.. heck, I posted videos of myself and tried to take the advice of those who suggested things. But training advice for a brand new beginner without anyone else around to help is different. Misty needs hands-on work first, and then have MG replicate what an experienced person taught Misty.
I was willing to help to reinforce your lessons, but you didn't want me to actually touch Misty. It's kind of difficult to show someone how to do something without demonstrating with the horse. I'm still not sure what it is you're doing. I watched the videos while MG was at my house for a week, and you mentioned lunging several times. Not in the context that you weren't lunging, however. I wanted to stay out of this, because I don't want to start anything or make this a competition, but I'm concerned for Misty.. I really like the horse and think she could be a great horse.
I was just really surprised at how your horse behaved in the video. It could have been an off day, I understand that, but kicking out and nearly getting you is dangerous.

[HeavensEast]

OK - then here's my advice... everyone involved work this out so you're not posting cryptic, defensive or accusatory answers on here that make this all sound very weird and complicated.

If this was a normal situation, people would be trying to make everything more clear, not trying not to say anything.

I'd encourage all of us not involved to bug out, and for those involved to talk to each other, not around each other.
I'm sorry.. I didn't see this. I'll shut up now :(

[WashingtonBay]

No - you're involved... :) I hope you guys CAN work it out.... if here, fine, if in private, fine too! So long as it gets worked out.

I'm out. :)

[AppyLover]

It's not like advice is never welcome on this forum.. heck, I posted videos of myself and tried to take the advice of those who suggested things. But training advice for a brand new beginner without anyone else around to help is different. Misty needs hands-on work first, and then have MG replicate what an experienced person taught Misty.
I was willing to help to reinforce your lessons, but you didn't want me to actually touch Misty. It's kind of difficult to show someone how to do something without demonstrating with the horse. I'm still not sure what it is you're doing. I watched the videos while MG was at my house for a week, and you mentioned lunging several times. Not in the context that you weren't lunging, however. I wanted to stay out of this, because I don't want to start anything or make this a competition, but I'm concerned for Misty.. I really like the horse and think she could be a great horse.
I was just really surprised at how your horse behaved in the video. It could have been an off day, I understand that, but kicking out and nearly getting you is dangerous.

Alright. First she was never close to getting me. That is an issue with video it distorts perspective. Yes my horse was dis ruley as I know misty can be. I want MG to see that she doesn't have to be intimidated by a snotty horse. I do not lunge like most people like but that word does pop up and even when I try not to say it, it will slip and I know that is my bad. I never said you could not touch misty. That is a misunderstanding. I only asked that currently right now you not ride misty. I think it is great of you to help give MG hands on help. I never said you could not.

on edit: I know what you are refering to. I said after you show MG what to do, for MG to take over.

[HeavensEast]

I even never thought of riding Misty at this point or in the foreseeable future. She needs way more ground work before that.

[AppyLover]

Than I would think in truth we are on the same page.

[AppyLover]

Update:

I just got off the phone with MG. She wants the hands on help from Netisha and HE, I am backing her up all the way in this choice. I think it is very wise of MG to go this route. I won't be sending anything but encouragement to her from here on out. MG has made a very mature choice and I respect her for it.

Netisha and HE please don't hold the misunderstanding that happened earlier against her, MG is a smart girl and I believe that her and Misty will be a really good team.

Take care.

MG work hard. And remember you will do great!

[gabhainn]

As far as training misty goes, I am not doing that. MG is training her own horse.
Fair enough, but it is also fair for me to say that Green + Green = Black and Blue....Kevin

[natisha]

Than I would think in truth we are on the same page.We always were

[mistygirl]

i just want to say i'm sorry to everyone who i hurt or upset i feel that it was right for me to say sorry

[mistygirl]

i also want to say thanks for all of you to care about others and stuff. i really don't know what to say its been a rough day and i feel bad for all this nagativitie. Again i'm sorry to you all. i promise to you all thought i will not give up misty means more then i can explain to me. i know how to say it in my heart but don't know how to acually say it.

[HeavensEast]

I'm glad we sorted this out. MG, don't feel bad, I know how much you love Misty.. I know what you're saying. I forgive you.
Now let's put all of this behind us and go forward with your training. :cowboy:

Thank you for understanding AppyLover and respecting Mistygirl's choice. I promise to do right by both of them

[TheBadLands]

The videos wont buffer :(