Election Night Central! Gather Here!

[Dakota Sunrise]

I didn't read all the replies, just the first couple pages (sorry, but I'm tired tonight!:o). Where are we at now? My dad told me that Obama got Pennsylvania and Maine, and that's the last I've heard so far.

I really don't like either one of them (to put it lightly), so I don't know what to hope for. I guess I'll just sit back and watch. Anyone want popcorn? xD :popcorn:

[JackieB]

They have soooo many yankees down here.....God bless 'em. LOL


Bwahahahahaha. We'll be ready for those in the future.

"That JackieB, God bless him....."

"That missdixie, God bless her...."

[Cat]

You know what? I've had a sick feeling in my stomach for the last 8 years and watched our country go on a constant decline. FINALLY I'm having some fell-good feelings. :)

[missdixie]

Honestly, I did not write off McCain from the beginning, I was a Hillary voter and I can be open minded, I listened to an researched everything about both candidates. I do like Obama better, but I had not written McCain off completely until he chose Palin as his running mate, that really threw me over the edge.

[Arrow]

Me, too, Cat, me, too. I'm thrilled!

[vicklynn]

Don't assume that those comments represented the Democratic party in general. And also, it could have been more of a "If you crossed party lines to vote for us, we promise to..."
Im talking about true words that were just said and quoted, not anything else.

[JackieB]

Good news and a bunch of stress. Our animal shelter proposal is now winning by 18 votes out of almost 4,800 cast!

[Sundays Man]

Don't assume that those comments represented the Democratic party in general. And also, it could have been more of a "If you crossed party lines to vote for us, we promise to..."

I guess since it came from the dems with Nancy Pelosi (Sundays Man spits on the ground) standing beside him. I'm sorry, the only person that worries me more than Obama is Nancy. That woman has dain bramage....bless her heart.

[Arrow]

Sheesh--16 people watching the thread! I've NEVER seen that!

[missdixie]

Bwahahahahaha. We'll be ready for those in the future.

"That JackieB, God bless him....."

"That missdixie, God bless her...."
ROFL, when you say it so politely my little liberal mind gets confuzzled :huh:

[FoxFireEMT]

They say.... (correct me if I'm wrong) that McCain chose her because he felt that he would get the women voters that "HIlliary" had... I think that (IMO) was probably his biggest down fall.

[Horserider]

You know what? I have a sick feeling in my stomach now. I don't like either one of them, but I'd rather have almost anyone besides Obama. Do you honestly think he's going to do half the things he says he will? Do you want NAIS? Do you want a big government? Do you want to have even less freedom than you do now?

Anyway my mom's letting me stay on for a little while longer, but I'm no longer allowed to watch it on TV.

[Flair]

Bwahahahahaha. We'll be ready for those in the future.

"That JackieB, God bless him....."

"That missdixie, God bless her...."

Hey, bless me too . ;)

[missdixie]

Good news and a bunch of stress. Our animal shelter proposal is now winning by 18 votes out of almost 4,800 cast!
Yay! Fingers crossed!

[FoxFireEMT]

Sheesh--16 people watching the thread! I've NEVER seen that!

I know that and thought it was a mistake! LOL

[missdixie]

They say.... (correct me if I'm wrong) that McCain chose her because he felt that he would get the women voters that "HIlliary" had... I think that (IMO) was probably his biggest down fall.
Agreed. She is definitely the anti-Hillary. He couldn't have done worse if he wanted Hillary voters.

[Arrow]

I thought from day one Palin was a huge mistake. He might have pulled it off without Palin, but of course, we'll never know.

[Sundays Man]

Honestly, I did not write off McCain from the beginning, I was a Hillary voter and I can be open minded, I listened to an researched everything about both candidates. I do like Obama better, but I had not written McCain off completely until he chose Palin as his running mate, that really threw me over the edge.

Cat, I find that very interesting. I've heard that a lot from many women. It seems to come mostly from the democrats, but it seems that she is either loved or hated by women and there is no in between. Heck, I would highly respect her and her record if she was a guy and ugly as a cock roach. But that's just me. No condemnation here, just find it interesting.

[missdixie]

Arrow I think if he'd have picked Joe Liebermann he probably would have pulled it off.

[FoxFireEMT]

I thought from day one Palin was a huge mistake. He might have pulled it off without Palin, but of course, we'll never know.

Yep we'll never know... :doh: Yay although the "gentlemen" love to look at her :p. She def. wasn't VP material. GRRRR. I guess Republicans will learn on his mistake! LOL.

[Sundays Man]

Bwahahahahaha. We'll be ready for those in the future.

"That JackieB, God bless him....."

"That missdixie, God bless her...."

:hysterical:

[missdixie]

SM, I don't cae about her looks, LOL I just find her repulsive. I have always been a democrat though, I have an open mind though, I like to think. I thought McCain might actually have some good middle of the road ideas, but unfortunately he scooted closer and closer to the right. I do very very much respect him though, and don't hate him at all. It might be rad if he were VP......

[Sundays Man]

Hey, bless me too . ;)

And God bless you too Flair....it has to come from a true southerner to mean anything.

[Horserider]

Obama just got Virginia.

[FoxFireEMT]

Arrow I think if he'd have picked Joe Liebermann he probably would have pulled it off.


Funny thing, everyone around here was saying that if he picked PA's governor he might of pulled it off.... GEEZ its all hear say now..

Thinking I'm throwing the towel in on it all.:confused:

PROVE ME WRONG OBAMA!

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

Yep we'll never know... :doh: Yay although the "gentlemen" love to look at her :p. She def. wasn't VP material. GRRRR. I guess Republicans will learn on his mistake! LOL.


I just don't understand why you say Palin is not VP material , but Obama is Presidential material?

[missdixie]

I can't believe what a historic moment this is that we are witnessing, no matter which side you are on.

[JackieB]

I didn't read all the replies, just the first couple pages (sorry, but I'm tired tonight!:o). Where are we at now? My dad told me that Obama got Pennsylvania and Maine, and that's the last I've heard so far.

I really don't like either one of them (to put it lightly), so I don't know what to hope for. I guess I'll just sit back and watch. Anyone want popcorn? xD :popcorn:

It's virtually certain that Obama will be our next President, Dakota. The polls will close in California and other western states in a few minutes and the networks will call the presidential race.

On a local note, the latest update shows our animal shelter proposal falling 150 vote behind with 11 of 18 stations reporting.

[Horserider]

I just don't understand why you say Palin is not VP material , but Obama is Presidential material?

I don't understand why everyone thinks Palin isn't VP material and yet I don't hear anyone saying Biden is or is not VP material. I don't believe he is and yet no one ever says that.

[Sundays Man]

Yep we'll never know... :doh: Yay although the "gentlemen" love to look at her :p. She def. wasn't VP material. GRRRR. I guess Republicans will learn on his mistake! LOL.

Now Now girls. I'm a guy, happily married, and she could be my daughter, and I would rather see her as president than Obama from the get go.

[Flair]

Fox News says that VA's gone for Obama.

And West Coast closes in a minute.

Yay!

[missdixie]

FoxFire- he would have had a decent chance at Hillary voters if he'd have picked Liebermann. I personally think Liebermann's a weasel now though- no spine. Waffling back and forth between parties trying to appease anyone who will give him a hand out.

[JackieB]

You know what? I have a sick feeling in my stomach now. I don't like either one of them, but I'd rather have almost anyone besides Obama. Do you honestly think he's going to do half the things he says he will? Do you want NAIS? Do you want a big government? Do you want to have even less freedom than you do now?

Anyway my mom's letting me stay on for a little while longer, but I'm no longer allowed to watch it on TV.

Try to be philosophical, horserider. This is a strong country.

[Arrow]

John McCain of 2000 might have won, and I wouldn't have been completely unhappy about it. McCain 2008 is just not McCain 2000. It's a shame.

[FoxFireEMT]

I just don't understand why you say Palin is not VP material , but Obama is Presidential material?


Diana I'm against Obama. He scares me like crazy. I'm sick with thoughts about him. What I meant about Palin was that there was some better choices then her but I def. would of backed her up 100% as I did the whole way through the race. I think she would of been a good "peoples" VP.

[missdixie]

OMG!!!!!!!! They just called it!!

[lovesfortune]

Regardless of the outcome.... it's truly amazing how this election made people get out and VOTE!

[JackieB]

Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JackieB]

OMG!!!!!!!! They just called it!!

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WashingtonBay]

Palin was the best thing about the ticket. Sheesh. Listening to a politician actually became fun again.

No one should blame this loss on her.

McCain was not anyone's first choice, but he coulda had it, IMHO, till he voted for the bailout immediately after saying he would veto any unnecessary pork spending. He didn't take a stand that was relatively easy to take. IMHO, he blew it.

[Arrow]

I honestly never thought I'd see a black president of the United States--really, I never thought I'd see it. A woman's next!

[JackieB]

And God Bless John McCain. He is a good man who will undoubtedly be utterly gracious in his congratulations to our new President.

[Horserider]

Well I guess that's that. I'll be moving to Australia if anyone needs me. Ugh school's going to be fun tomorrow.

[Flair]

Let's look on it as history folks, America! They voted!

And that's what's important!

[FoxFireEMT]

I don't understand why everyone thinks Palin isn't VP material and yet I don't hear anyone saying Biden is or is not VP material. I don't believe he is and yet no one ever says that.


O I agree with you about Biden too.... I'm from DE and I dont' think he has done this state any justice. However, both biden & Palin could easliy improve as other VP's have.

Do you all realize that Biden chose to keep his Seat in the Senate as well in DE. He's running 2 offices!

[Sundays Man]

FoxFire- he would have had a decent chance at Hillary voters if he'd have picked Liebermann. I personally think Liebermann's a weasel now though- no spine. Waffling back and forth between parties trying to appease anyone who will give him a hand out.

Sarah would have spanked his butt and sent him home crying to mama.

[missdixie]

I think I just lsot consciousness! people are driving up and down myt street honking and screaming!

[Equine_Woman]

Waaaa hoooo!!!!!

[FoxFireEMT]

Sarah would have spanked his butt and sent him home crying to mama.


Taaaa haaaaaa....

[Dakota Sunrise]

Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wow. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I can't imagine having Obama or McCain as the President of the United States and the face of our country. I guess either way my family lost tonight, my parents didn't/don't support either canidate.

[FoxFireEMT]

I'll tell you what thought when Palin talked I enjoyed listening to her! LOL. She had a strong voice.

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

Well, Congrats to Obama. I hope all of you who voted for him can say..."We told you so " (at the end of the next 4 years) to all of us who did not...truly. Good nite all.:)

[cloedoll]

Even if your guy didn't win, just think, we all are living history. This is the first black president of the United States of America, who would have thought we would have made it this far? We aren't perfect, but a black person (that doesn't sound nice, sorry! =P) is the United States President! Not too too long ago, people would have never thought that was possible. It's impressive to me.

Maybe I can think that way because I was rooting for Obama? Lol...I dunno...

[Horserider]

I'm going to bed now. There's nothing worth staying up for now. :( Congrats to Obama's supporters. I honestly hope it's worth it.

[JackieB]

Well, Congrats to Obama. I hope all of you who voted for him can say..."We told you so " (at the end of the next 4 years) to all of us who did not...truly. Good nite all.:)

Night, Diane. I also dearly hope that all of us will be pleased with the performance of our new President.

[Ryderd65]

***hoisting a celebratory margarita***

Here's to the promise of needed change, financial prosperity, and racial unity.

God Bless the United States, and President Barack Obama

[FoxFireEMT]

I'll agree with Diane on this one.

Congrats to Obama fans. Please (I hope) you can tell me (us) told you so in just a few short years... I truly hope he proves my thoughts wrong.

McCain fans and Indepent Fans. Good Night & it was a close race.

History is what we are living in now.

Good Night all!

[lovesfortune]

I'm staying up for his speech, but then I'm hitting the hay. :) I hope that we are all happy with what comes in the next 4 years.... History has been made. Whoo hoo!!

[42many]

Bummer.
Not much else to say.

[JackieB]

I agree, I sent a prayer up for him.


As always. ChisKoji with her kind heart. :)

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

I am on the phone with Sunday's Man. He logged off already but he wanted me to tell you all......

Now that the battle is over maybe we can all work together to make this Great Country of Ours a better place for us and especially our children.....God Bless America.

[Arrow]

The news is saying McCain called Obama and conceded the election.

[Equine_Woman]

I have wanted this night for at least 3 years. I remember right after my son was born I noticed Obama as a senator and told my Mom I hoped he would run for president. I never in my wildest dreams would have thought it would have happened so fast but I'm thrilled. I look forward to the next 4 years eagerly.

[Arrow]

I'm right there with you, EW!

[Ryderd65]

John McCain is giving a very gracious concession speech right now. If you're not watching it, I'd recommend turning it on.

[Kaitlyn]

Sorry John... :(

[lovesfortune]

I agree. McCain's speech was really really good. Good good speech.

[Arrow]

Wow, AMAZING speech from McCain! Beautiful and gracious beyond words. Bravo!

[Cat]

Yippie!!!

[JackieB]

Wow, AMAZING speech from McCain! Beautiful and gracious beyond words. Bravo!

I'm not surprised. He is a classy guy.

[SedonaThunder]

John McCain is giving a very gracious concession speech right now. If you're not watching it, I'd recommend turning it on.
I am impressed... great speech.

News on my state - the only thing I was really passionate about was Death With Dignity and it's passing - WOOHOOOOO!:clap::clap:

[lovesfortune]

great speech. i'll say it again. he really tried to unite the U.S.

[Flair]

I thought MCain was very eloquent in his concession speech. Kudos to him for being so gracious, and for acknowledging the loss of Obama's grandmother.

[JackieB]

News on my state - the only thing I was really passionate about was Death With Dignity and it's passing - WOOHOOOOO!:clap::clap:

That's good, Sedona. Glad to hear it.

[Ryderd65]

I truly think John McCain will be supportive of President Obama. McCain likes being a maverick and shaking things up. Heck, he might do it just to tick off some of the other Republicans.
:cowboy:



Shoot. Sheriff Joe Arpaio didn't get voted out. Well, can't have it all.

[SedonaThunder]

Thanks JackieB - it really means a lot to me as it hit home back in '92. My Auntie had very aggressive cancer and after two years it was getting the best of her and she was in A LOT of pain... I can remember her begging us to "help her leave" and how my mom (her sister) would cry and wish there was a legal way to help her end the suffering. I did one of my college papers/speeches on it and had a hard time not crying during my presentation and there were quite a few tears in my audience as well... I dedicated that paper to her.

[rocknK]

I'm out of beer, switching to whisky now.............:doh:

[Cat]

I caught the tail-end of McCains speech. What I heard was good.

[Horseless]

Jan. 2009 Dooms Day For America :(

[WashingtonBay]

Well, I did not vote for the suicide initiative, so so far, I am 0-2.

I guess I can still hope for Rossi to pull it off this time.

McCain's was a good speech.

[JackieB]

Thanks JackieB - it really means a lot to me as it hit home back in '92. My Auntie had very aggressive cancer and after two years it was getting the best of her and she was in A LOT of pain... I can remember her begging us to "help her leave" and how my mom (her sister) would cry and wish there was a legal way to help her end the suffering. I did one of my college papers/speeches on it and had a hard time not crying during my presentation and there were quite a few tears in my audience as well... I dedicated that paper to her.

God Bless. I'm sure she is looking down with a broad smile knowing that others won't have to suffer as much as she did. And your courageous speech and paper made a difference. It really is wonderful. I'm so happy for you and residents of your state.

[Ryderd65]

We now have 17 women in the US Senate-

Way to go Ladies!!!!

[JackieB]

Well, we won't be expanding our local animal shelter. It was a millage proposal and I can't really blame someone for voting against a property tax increase, even a small and temporary one. We've never made it this far before, so we'll be back to try again in the future.

[WashingtonBay]

I'm sorry Jackie. For the animals. I'd have voted for it.

[SedonaThunder]

Sorry Jackie... you know I'd have been for it too - funny how some things I don't want to pay more for but when it comes to animals I'm always opening the checkbook.:)

Thank you for your kind words too!

[JackieB]

Thanks WB, Sedona. Your kind thoughts and words mean a lot. We'll get an expanded shelter eventually. We've come so far with that department in the eight years I have been volunteering there.

[Country Girl 43]

I'm out of beer, switching to whisky now.............:doh:

Well pass that bottle this way! :cool:

[WashingtonBoy]

We're out of bourbon and vodka, but still have a few beers left. And it's Alaskan Amber. ;)

[Mandzanita]

Our prop 2 passed by a landslide!! :) :) Prop 8 passed too...nothing new for California though.

[JackieB]

Our prop 2 passed by a landslide!! :) :) Prop 8 passed too...nothing new for California though.

Oh, thank God! What a wonderful, wonderful day for the animals. That is so encouraging.

[WashingtonBay]

Not one comment on the new guy's speech on either thread. Huh!



I missed it myself ;)

[Flair]

The crowd was AWESOME!!

One thing Obama can do really well is bring out the people.

[JackieB]

Not one comment on the new guy's speech on either thread. Huh!

It was very good. I got a bit choked up when he recited the line words "of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish" from the Gettysburg address. I've always found them to be so powerful.

Obama was very complimentary of McCain and reminded everyone that McCain has suffered for this country in ways that most of us can not even imagine. He promised to reach out to McCain, Palin, and everyone on the other side.

And he also reminded us that this is a very difficult time with two wars going on, the worst economic problems in a century, and a need to solve our energy problems. He said that not everyone would agree with every decision he made, but he promised to be forthright with us in his decisions and positions.

He thanked his grandmother, mom, and all of his family.

Oh, and he promised his girls a puppy to take to the White House!

[Equine_Woman]

It was a fantastic speech. I'm surprised you missed it WB, giving how much you enjoy politics. I watched McCains as well. Both were good. I've been waiting for this for 3 years. I promised myself I'd stay out of this section so people's misguided fear and hysteria wouldn't bring me down tonight. But I saw JackieB post so I knew it was safe. You should youtube Obama's speech tomorrow. It was one worth watching.

[Ryderd65]

:sleep: This is me after so much excitement- too tired to comment on President O's speech.
Thanks JackieB for starting such a great thread. You are truly a gentlemen and scholar.

[SuperSTB]

It was very good. I got a bit choked up when he recited the line words "of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish" from the Gettysburg address. I've always found them to be so powerful.

Obama was very complimentary of McCain and reminded everyone that McCain has suffered for this country in ways that most of us can not even imagine. He promised to reach out to McCain, Palin, and everyone on the other side.

And he also reminded us that this is a very difficult time with two wars going on, the worst economic problems in a century, and a need to solve our energy problems. He said that not everyone would agree with every decision he made, but he promised to be forthright with us in his decisions and positions.

He thanked his grandmother, mom, and all of his family.

Oh, and he promised his girls a puppy to take to the White House!

It was excellent.

I watched McCains speech as well- another excellent speech. Both Obama and McCain are telling the Nation- doesn't matter who you voted for now is the time to come together and heal this nation. I still have great respect and admiration for McCain.

Yeah for President Barrack Obama!

[WashingtonBay]

It was a fantastic speech. I'm surprised you missed it WB, giving how much you enjoy politics. I watched McCains as well. Both were good. I've been waiting for this for 3 years. I promised myself I'd stay out of this section so people's misguided fear and hysteria wouldn't bring me down tonight. But I saw JackieB post so I knew it was safe. You should youtube Obama's speech tomorrow. It was one worth watching.

Actually, EW, the hysteria all happened out in that other thread you were on, not in here, and I find that a little insulting. But then I'm not in the elated mood you all are in (despite two bourbons) so maybe that explains any hyper sensitivity. Time will tell who is misguided. Sometimes life surprises us.

I didn't want to listen to the speech. But I appreciate Jackie's recap for the record.:popcorn:

[JackieB]

Thanks JackieB for starting such a great thread. You are truly a gentlemen and scholar.

Thanks for your kind words, Ryder65. But of course, our real thanks needs to go to both WB and WBoy. They have provided us with this great forum and even though this was not the type of night either of them wished for from a political standpoint, they were the gracious hosts that we all knew they would be when we joined.

Thanks and good night everyone.

[Equine_Woman]

Actually, EW, the hysteria all happened out in that other thread you were on, not in here, and I find that a little insulting. But then I'm not in the elated mood you all are in (despite two bourbons) so maybe that explains any hyper sensitivity. Time will tell who is misguided. Sometimes life surprises us.

I didn't want to listen to the speech. But I appreciate Jackie's recap for the record.:popcorn:

Well I wasn't referring to anything you said in reference to the hysteria. Mainly the Canada runners and Muslim shouters. I realize I'm not going to win any debates with any of you and I don't want to debate. I had no intention of insulting anyone. It's not my nature. I try to run a clean campaign through life. So my apologies if I insulted you in any way.

[missdixie]

Thanks for your kind words, Ryder65. But of course, our real thanks needs to go to both WB and WBoy. They have provided us with this great forum and even though this was not the type of night either of them wished for from a political standpoint, they were the gracious hosts that we all knew they would be when we joined.

Thanks and good night everyone.

Agreed jackieb well said as usual. Thank you wb's for creating this fun forum and making a place for us to talk about things like this with our friends. Goodnight guys!

[Arrow]

Not one comment on the new guy's speech on either thread. Huh!



I missed it myself ;)

I commented in the other thread this morning. Wanted to go to bed with that speech ringing in my ears so I didn't come back here after except to post visitor comments a couple of places. I wasn't interested in reading ugly things after hearing such a beautiful speech--2 beautiful speeches, really--McCain's, too.

If McCain had won, I might not have listened last night either, so I understand where you're coming from. I'd have listened this morning on youtube, though, so I hope that you will do the same with Obama's.

[Gliderider]

Well, Congrats to Obama. I hope all of you who voted for him can say..."We told you so " (at the end of the next 4 years) to all of us who did not...truly. Good nite all.:)

I couldn't express it any better Diane.

[lovesfortune]

I agree with Arrow. After Obama's great speech, I turned the TV off and went straight to bed with that feeling in my heart.

[rums_mom]

Elizabeth Dole lost.

Amen!

[rums_mom]

Nothing. Just a huge outdoor party. That makes people worry about violence. I love to watch the police horses at these events, though!


They said the crowd was 100,000. For Chicago, this is nothing........have you ever been to Chicago for the Taste of Chicago?

Sorry I didn't check in here last night, too busy watching the results.

VickLynn, SM and everyone else that voiced concerns that certain people of color are going to riot or cause harm. Just a reminder.....

A white man shot Abraham Lincoln
A white man shot Mckinley
A white man shot John F. Kennedy
A white man shot Robert Kennedy
A white man shot MLK
A white man shot Gerald Ford
A white man shot Ronald Reagan........

for a full list:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0194022.html

so what EXACTLY are you afraid of?

[rums_mom]

You know what? I have a sick feeling in my stomach now. I don't like either one of them, but I'd rather have almost anyone besides Obama. Do you honestly think he's going to do half the things he says he will? Do you want NAIS? Do you want a big government? Do you want to have even less freedom than you do now?

Anyway my mom's letting me stay on for a little while longer, but I'm no longer allowed to watch it on TV.


:crazy::help:Wow...I think I just had an hallucinogenic flashback..................you just described the past 8 years!

[WashingtonBay]

Rums... The party would have been considerably different had they lost. That's not unreasonable to assume.

And it has nothing to do with color... that's just one of the subgroups who may have gone off had this not gone their way.

Say what you want about conservatives... massive riots in the streets aren't really our thing.

[rums_mom]

Rums... The party would have been considerably different had they lost. That's not unreasonable to assume.

And it has nothing to do with color... that's just one of the subgroups who may have gone off had this not gone their way.

Say what you want about conservatives... massive riots in the streets aren't really our thing.

Pure conjecture and utterly based on absolutely nothing.............
Oh, really? Maybe not you, per se...........but many have been known to have massive "rallies" while wearing white hoods and cloaks..........

[WashingtonBay]

When... in the last 50 years?

It's not based on nothing at all. It's based on the fact that this new president of yours has under his wing now a lot of left wing factions who like to block streets, riot and break things when things don't go their way. I've been reading all week about what they planned to do if this election was 'stolen' from them.

Good luck to him keeping them under control. They're not a real 'easy to please' bunch. They may give him a week. :)

I disabled the tongue flapping smilie for today. For my sanity.

[JackieB]

I disabled the tongue flapping smilie for today. For my sanity.

Oh, that's hysterical. I love it!

[rums_mom]

You might want to disable the Fox News channel as well............

[Horserider]

Well I'm back today and still don't feel any better. Half the people I talked too aren't happy about Obama being elected. The other half wanted him to be elected or just didn't care. The only thing that made it worse is Michigan's Prop 2 (the stem cell research one) passed. If nothing else I did NOT want that proposal to pass. Now scientists can basically do whatever they want. And for those of you who say that's not the case, think about it. Now the regulations have been weakened even more. That makes it even easier to find a loop hole.

[Mandzanita]

Well California passed a bunch of high dollar props so it looks as though we'll continue on our spending spree :doh: I'm still in shock that Prop 8 passed. I'm happy about it, just surprised because this is one of the most liberal states. I think it's a good thing though. The only reason gay marriage has been allowed is because 2 or 3 judges took it upon themselves to decide it on their own without calling for a vote. This prop just changed it back to the way it should be until it's rightly decided that majority rules in favor of it.

[Cat]

Heard MI also had the pot for medical purposes pass as well. Sounds like you guys had an interesting election.

[JackieB]

Heard MI also had the pot for medical purposes pass as well. Sounds like you guys had an interesting election.

Yes, it did. I think that's good. For some, marijuana has really helped when they were sick.

[rums_mom]

Well California passed a bunch of high dollar props so it looks as though we'll continue on our spending spree :doh: I'm still in shock that Prop 8 passed. I'm happy about it, just surprised because this is one of the most liberal states. I think it's a good thing though. The only reason gay marriage has been allowed is because 2 or 3 judges took it upon themselves to decide it on their own without calling for a vote. This prop just changed it back to the way it should be until it's rightly decided that majority rules in favor of it.

California is definitely one of the most liberal states but you are governed by a Republican, correct? So all the problems with CA are still the liberals fault? I don't follow many other states policies or politics much, I do keep up with my own state. So I would be interested to hear your opinion on what is going on in your state.

[rocknK]

The Governator is a RINO, a Hollywood liberal married to a Kennedy, go figure.:p Hey my smilie is back!!!!:p:p:p:p

[rums_mom]

So Marlee Matlin is married to Jame Carville, what does that make her?

[Equine_Woman]

So Marlee Matlin is married to Jame Carville, what does that make her?

Mary Matalin, not Marlee Matlin.

[rocknK]

Stupid???????

[rums_mom]

Mary Matalin, not Marlee Matlin.

Thanks EW! I was close, wasn't I?;) Marlee Matlin is the actress, right? Just goes to show you how much I listen to the right wing pundits. My husband, OTOH, can't help himself.:crazy:

[JackieB]

Stupid???????

:hysterical:
:hysterical:
:hysterical:

[Equine_Woman]

Thanks EW! I was close, wasn't I?;) Marlee Matlin is the actress, right?

Yes Ma'am. She is the actress.

[rocknK]

JB, glad I could give you a chuckle.

[rums_mom]

The Governator is a RINO, a Hollywood liberal married to a Kennedy, go figure.:p Hey my smilie is back!!!!:p:p:p:p

Can you elaborate? You really didn't answer the question. I have heard some things and I am trying to learn more, and would like to hear from those that are dealing with it first hand. Thanks.....

[rocknK]

Pretty self explainatory, Republican in name only. He made ONE campaign stop for McCain in Ohio the day before the election. This man was USELESS to his party. As big a tool as Ahnold is, he has name & face recognition. He shoulda been out there helping the cause. But he didn't cause he's a two-bit washed up liberal actor. Is that clear enough!

[rums_mom]

Well, how has him being a two bit washed up liberal actor affected California and the fact that it is near bankruptcy. I guess I just don't see the connection. Specifically, what policies did he support that contributed to the current problems?

[Mandzanita]

California is definitely one of the most liberal states but you are governed by a Republican, correct? So all the problems with CA are still the liberals fault? I don't follow many other states policies or politics much, I do keep up with my own state. So I would be interested to hear your opinion on what is going on in your state.

The spending spree I mentioned didn't go along with my mention of liberals. I was merely saying I was suprised that proposition 8 passed (Banning Gay Marriage) in such a liberal state.

[missdixie]

:puke:Whoa whoa WHOA. Don't push Arnold on us Dems, we are not claiming him. He is as much ours as Bush is. Republicans have to take responsibility for that one, sorry. We regrettably claim Gray Davis, but the governator is on you. All I can say is that I heard Diane Feinstein will be running for governor next term.... how can I get on that campaign bandwagon?! :D

[Tiz]

Rum's definition of conservatives...
"Oh, really? Maybe not you, per se...........but many have been known to have massive "rallies" while wearing white hoods and cloaks.........."

White racists, who terrorized blacks, Jews, well, everyone not white and racist. The KKK.

You, and Arrow, are far too comfortable with saying offensive things when your comments are directed at Republicans or conservatives. This one is one of your worst. It is disgusting.

[Mandzanita]

You want a Californian's view? I'll give you one....:)

Arnold is a poor excuse for a Republican leader if you ask me, I admit it as Republican (or really a moderate who leans that way) He's more of a recognized name and face, like Rocknk said, and that can be beneficial from time to time :) BUT he is NOT the reason California is in the predicament it's in, he's just not doing much about it. He double talks, he waffles, he delays, he's not take charge and he doesn't stand strong and stick to what he believes in. Maybe his wife's got him by the balls...who knows.

In my opinion, a big factor in our financial state is simply steady yet rapid population growth that we havn't equipt ourselves to handle properly. I'm not talking East coasters relocating because the weather's milder I'm talking illegal growth, particularly from south of the border who suck up our resources, jobs, and give little back to the economy.

Out of the approximated 1 mill. immigrant who come to the US each year, we get about half of them. You would think more people, a fueled economy, more spending and consuming right? So so wrong. Instead they work their asses off just to send 75% of their paychecks back to Mexico, pack 6 families into one house, multiply, and rely on the freebies that the Government provides that WE pay for. This effects nearly every sector...Health Care system, Educational System, Law Enforcement and judicial system and on down the road.

It's just a continuous cycle of money getting doled out to llegal Aliens through our own stupid laws, policies, and the manipulation of Government establishments that were oriiginally set up only to help OUR OWN citizens in need. This paired with an already wounded US economy, is breakin our bank. Yet we continue to try to fund other huge projects (many of which aren't a dire need) without working to construct a plug for this huge money vacuuming hole.


This is a huge reason why we are where we are. It's not THE ONLY reseason but it's quite a large one. Arnold sure didn't do it, but he's not doing much to stop it either.

That's what I think about what's going on with California's economy :)

[missdixie]

Tiz I think that was taken out of context. It was in response to the allusion that Rumsmom was probably offended by ( as was I ) that if Obama lost black people would riot, there was mention of Don King, etc. I think she was just saying that to prove a point of how ridiculous it is to assume things about people because of their skin color.

[WashingtonBay]

Ummm.... It was Rodney King.... Don King is the guy with the funny hair.;)

I think it was argued that there would have been riots had Obama lost, and I believe that.

But color has little to do with it.

There's little basis for the allegation that conservatives are prone to rioting or white robes, so context or no, it was a ludicrous assertion. In fact, in the hey day of the KKK, they were largely associated with Southern Democrats... up to and including Robert Byrd, who for whatever reason is still getting elected.

[missdixie]

Whoops, duh! That's what I get for watching tv and posting at the same time! I don't think that she really meant all conservatives are KKK members, I certainly don't believe that. There was definitely some allusion to blacks rioting, though you were not the one saying it. Maybe Rumsmom went a little too far with her point, but I see where she was going with it.

[WashingtonBay]

Maybe Rumsmom went a little too far with her pointYes, just maybe.

There was definitely some allusion to blacks riotingYou think they wouldn't have had Obama lost?

I think that's crazy. Come on... the left does a great riot when things don't go their way... the war, gay rights, anything that has to do with Republicans... you think blacks don't belong to that?

[missdixie]

I think it would have been one thing to say democrats would riot, but it was specifically pointed at blacks, which is just as offensive as the KKK thing.

[WashingtonBay]

Well, in fairness, it's not a minor part of the landscape that it was a monumental night for being black in America. It's silly to use it when you want to draw attention to it, and pretend it's invisible when you don't. It would have been a major reason for a significant number of blacks on the left to be very upset, don't you think? Lord I long for the day when we don't fall all over ourselves trying to state the obvious.

Heck... Oprah said she'd have had to do her next day's show from some mental hospital.

[rocknK]

Was that the day after she did her big sex show?????:p

[rums_mom]

Yes, just maybe.

You think they wouldn't have had Obama lost?

I think that's crazy. Come on... the left does a great riot when things don't go their way... the war, gay rights, anything that has to do with Republicans... you think blacks don't belong to that?

I went too far? well excuse me.....but Horseless' post about Obama being the AntiChrist is perfectly acceptable? Go figure...........

Yeah lots of those Southern racists in Skokie, IL, the ones exercising their rights wearing Swaztikas in a mostly Jewish suburb of Chicago, that went over real big!
Turns out the demographics on who voted for Obama are coming out, he got the vote across the board, no one ethnic group, race, gender or age group can be credited with his win. It was the overall support for him that won him the election. Suck it up. Get used to it.
:doh:

[Tiz]

Pointing to other unacceptable behavior, doesn't excuse yours. Honestly, I don't care how far you go, or how disgusting you want to be. Knock yourself out.

missdixie, people rioting. No one said black people. All colors of people, of a certain mindset, would have felt entitled to tearing things up had Obama lost. Also, Rum's statement is repeated in it's entirety, not out of context.

[rocknK]

RM, I think you're confusing the movie "The Blues Bros" with real life. I guess Horseless will have to inform everyone when he's trying to pull their leg. I guess we'll need a leg- pulling smilie & a tin-foil hat smilie.

[rums_mom]

With all due respect, RocknK, it think it is you that is confused...........
From this source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

NSPA march in Skokie
Skokie, Illinois was traditionally home to a sizable Jewish population, and although in recent years the town has significantly diversified, the Jewish population in Skokie, as well as in other suburbs, has also grown significantly[citation needed]. In 1977 and 1978, members of the National Socialist Party of America (an offshoot of the American Nazi Party) attempted to march through Skokie. The NSPA planned to rally in Marquette Park, Chicago; the city reacted by placing a ban on all demonstrations in the park.

Seeking another venue, the NSPA chose Skokie. Because of the large number of Holocaust survivors in Skokie, it was believed that the march would be disruptive, and the village refused to allow it. The American Civil Liberties Union interceded on behalf of the NSPA in National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie.

An Illinois appeals court lifted the injunction issued by a Cook County Circuit Court judge, ruling that the presence of the swastika, the Nazi emblem, would constitute deliberate provocation of the people of Skokie. However, they also ruled that attorneys for the town of Skokie had failed to prove that either the Nazi uniform or printed materials that the Nazis allegedly intended to distribute would incite violence.[22]

However, due to a subsequent lifting of the Marquette Park ban, the NSPA ultimately held their rally in Chicago.

This was not part of a movie set, it really happened, just a reminder that I am from Chicago. Born and raised and lived there until I was 28. My family comes from the same south side neighborhood as Michelle Obama, South Shore. I was born in South Shore Hospital and eventually worked there as a Cardiovascular Technician in the 1980's.

BTW, most of the Blues Brothers movie was filmed on the South Side, and their big climax show scene was filmed at the South Shore Country Club. I could go as an extra because I had to work. The Curl Up N Die beauty salon was a real place off of 87th Street. Too good to be true isn't it?

[rums_mom]

Thanks Mandazita on your viewpoint on your governor. What I was trying to find out if what I heard is true. Maybe you could help me out? I was told and I don't really believe it so I am trying to find more info, that a big part of the financial crisis in California is because Gov. Arnold privatized the prison system. Do you think this is true?

On another post, it was mentioned that Arnold did not campaign for McCain and therefore is not worthy to be a Republican. Our Democratic governor didn't do any campaigning nationally for Obama and very little if any, in NC. As far as I can tell, Pres. Bush and VP Cheney did very little campaigning for McCain as well.

I couldn't believe the people of California actually elected Arnold in the first place.

[WashingtonBay]

I went too far? well excuse me.....but Horseless' post about Obama being the AntiChrist is perfectly acceptable? Go figure...........

Yeah lots of those Southern racists in Skokie, IL, the ones exercising their rights wearing Swaztikas in a mostly Jewish suburb of Chicago, that went over real big!
Turns out the demographics on who voted for Obama are coming out, he got the vote across the board, no one ethnic group, race, gender or age group can be credited with his win. It was the overall support for him that won him the election. Suck it up. Get used to it.
:doh:

Not sure what your point is in the last paragraph but don't worry about it. I don't have an ounce of guilt about race I'm trying to overcome so your accusation doesn't really bother me.

As for Horseless... News flash: He's an attention whore trolling for reactions. I didn't take his posts seriously. I would actually appreciate if he would keep his attention-seeking attempts at humor to the General Discussion area and leave this section to people who are trying to have a reasonable, somewhat constructive discussion.

That's what I'd like.:cowboy:

[Arrow]

Yep, I wondered about Horseless for a bit, too...then came to your conclusion, WB.

[WashingtonBay]

With all due respect, RocknK, it think it is you that is confused...........
From this source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

NSPA march in Skokie
Skokie, Illinois was traditionally home to a sizable Jewish population, and although in recent years the town has significantly diversified, the Jewish population in Skokie, as well as in other suburbs, has also grown significantly[citation needed]. In 1977 and 1978, members of the National Socialist Party of America (an offshoot of the American Nazi Party) attempted to march through Skokie. The NSPA planned to rally in Marquette Park, Chicago; the city reacted by placing a ban on all demonstrations in the park.

Bolded. neither recent, nor Republican. What's your point?

[rums_mom]

I tried to bold the whole article, not just that point. I was replying to RocknK that this was an event that really happened not just one concocted by a Hollywood screenwriter. Trying to make a point that the KKK exists everywhere, not just the south.

Why do you think all my comments are directed at you? I am replying and posting in general. When I post specifically to someone, I try to include a quote so people know who I am replying to.

I never said anyone should be guilty for voting. I respect everyone who voted, no matter what candidate they voted for...............

[rums_mom]

Bolded. neither recent, nor Republican. What's your point?


Since when is this a strictly Republican thread?

Thanks for reminding me about Horseless........I will keep that in mind from now on. Still unappropriate, no matter what his reasoning.

[WashingtonBay]

RM.... I'll remind you of what the conversation was...

I said Democrats are the ones who can put on a good protest demonstration, conservatives aren't really known for that.

You brought up the KKK marches and now Nazis.

KKK and Nazi rallies are neither recent, nor Republican.

[rums_mom]

RM.... I'll remind you of what the conversation was...

I said Democrats are the ones who can put on a good protest demonstration, conservatives aren't really known for that.

You brought up the KKK marches and now Nazis.

KKK and Nazi rallies are neither recent, nor Republican.

Good point, WB. I will accept that........but can you deny that both radical groups as the KKK and the Nazis, in most instances, are considered conservatives and most likely vote Republican?

[WashingtonBay]

Absolutely I will deny that. Nazis are socialist. The complete other end of the spectrum. The KKK is most strongly identified with pre-50s Southern Democrats.

There has never been a racist platform in the Republican agenda. Ours is a belief in freedom and equal opportunity. The reason we may have failed to attract blacks in great numbers to the party in recent memory probably has more to do with social program policies, and I expanded on that upthread someplace, or on one of these threads.

[missdixie]

Ya know, the thing that gets me is, I just watched some southern states, yes black, and they voted by race, talked about history, Martin Luter King, water hoses, dogs, ect. Does anyone see what could happen with that?
I see it, been seeing it, and now the people are showing it. They will use their history as a negative, there will be problems.
I am the last person to call a racist, but I tell ya, change may NOT be so good.

I hear you, but what I am saying is, whites arent gonna go off if he wins, its just the opposite. I dont think you are seeing what Im saying, and thats ok.

Whites are not going to rebel folks. oh never mind
Okay I am just putting this up there for Tiz's benefit, then I'm done. WB I see your points, and I don't think you are trying to be racial about it, which I appreciate. And you are right, KKK started with Southern Democrats, to be fair. Tiz, this is just PART of the conversation at the beginning of the thread. Maybe you should go read it, it WAS racially biased, which is where this all began. Like I said, it's one thing to say democrats would freak out ( which we would have ) but to specifically call black people out is wrong. Yes this is a landmark in black history, but to infer that black people can't control themselves in the event of a loss is a blanket statement that is just as unfair and ignorant as the KKK thing. I'm done now.

[missdixie]

Not sure what your point is in the last paragraph but don't worry about it. I don't have an ounce of guilt about race I'm trying to overcome so your accusation doesn't really bother me.

As for Horseless... News flash: He's an attention whore trolling for reactions. I didn't take his posts seriously. I would actually appreciate if he would keep his attention-seeking attempts at humor to the General Discussion area and leave this section to people who are trying to have a reasonable, somewhat constructive discussion.

That's what I'd like.:cowboy:
LOL I thought it was funny... I knew it was a joke. Bless his heart.

[HoustonFarrier]

but to infer that black people can't control themselves in the event of a loss is a blanket statement that is just as unfair and ignorant

History paints a different picture......

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Okay I am just putting this up there for Tiz's benefit, then I'm done.

I wouldn't count on you being done. :)

To bend over so far backwards to as to say it is off limits to say that blacks in particular would not have had specific reason to riot at this perceived injustice is insulting them in the way that only political correctness can. And if we didn't all have to fall all over ourselves to make sure we never say a thing that groups them together in a negative light, we'd all admit that.

Maybe someday we'll get there.

[JackieB]

History paints a different picture......

Steve

History also records that many African Americans were lynched by whites. Does this mean that history tells us that whites are likely to lose control of themselves and lynch blacks? I know that I would be offended if someone suggested that I might somehow be prone to partaking in a violent act because history tells us that other whites have done so.

I know it can be hard, but for us to eventually get beyond race as an issue, we have to stop using it in generalized statements. Even if we feel that others are using it against us in that way. We can only control our own behavior and what we chose to write or say.

[WashingtonBay]

History also records that many African Americans were lynched by whites. Does this mean that history tells us that whites are likely to lose control of themselves and lynch blacks? I know that I would be offended if someone suggested that I might somehow be prone to partaking in a violent act because history tells us that other whites have done so.

I know it can be hard, but for us to eventually get beyond race as an issue, we have to stop using it in generalized statements. Even if we feel that others are using it against us in that way. We can only control our own behavior and what we chose to write or say.

Actually, true equality will exist when we can talk about black bad behavior as freely as we talk about white bad behavior or any good behavior, black or white. We can bring up famous white racists, talk about the KKK and lynchings and Nazis and condemn it, and never being perceived as condemning a whole race for a feature they can't change. We're criticizing behavior and attitude and subculture. We don't even need to say "not that I am condemning all whites here, but..."

We will truly be equal when we have equal rules. PC doesn't solve problems, it just covers them. It assumes a perception of inequality and offers protection. When equality really exists, there will be no need for it. The pendulum will have swung back to center.

THEN we will have solved it.

[JackieB]

Actually, true equality will exist when we can talk about black bad behavior as freely as we talk about white bad behavior or any good behavior, black or white. We can bring up famous white racists, talk about the KKK and lynchings and Nazis and condemn it, and never being perceived as condemning a whole race for a feature they can't change. We're criticizing behavior and attitude and subculture. We don't even need to say "not that I am condemning all whites here, but..."

We will truly be equal when we have equal rules. PC doesn't solve problems, it just covers them. It assumes a perception of inequality and offers protection. When equality really exists, there will be no need for it. The pendulum will have swung back to center.

THEN we will have solved it.


I can accept this argument. Good point, WB.

[Tiz]

Music to my ears, WB.

[rums_mom]

and to mine, wiser words were never spoken.....I applaud you WB for stating what I could not so eloquently.

[mtnmollie]

Actually, true equality will exist when we can talk about black bad behavior as freely as we talk about white bad behavior or any good behavior, black or white. We can bring up famous white racists, talk about the KKK and lynchings and Nazis and condemn it, and never being perceived as condemning a whole race for a feature they can't change. We're criticizing behavior and attitude and subculture. We don't even need to say "not that I am condemning all whites here, but..."

We will truly be equal when we have equal rules. PC doesn't solve problems, it just covers them. It assumes a perception of inequality and offers protection. When equality really exists, there will be no need for it. The pendulum will have swung back to center.

THEN we will have solved it.

Good point Bay. :cowboy:


Today on the radio they said how GREAT we were to elect a black president.

I dont vote for black, white, red or purple people.

I try to vote for quality people or - if I have to
the lesser of two evils.

I could care less about the outside of the people- its what's in the heart that counts.

[moka]

Absolutely I will deny that. Nazis are socialist. The complete other end of the spectrum. The KKK is most strongly identified with pre-50s Southern Democrats.

Nazis were not socialists. They did not believe in government control of the means of production or nationalization of any industries. The Nazis believed in private property ownership and private ownership of businesses.

Most people incorrectly assume because they called themselves "Nationalsozialisten" that it means they had something to do with 'Socialism'. They can call themselves anything they want. If they are not for public ownership of industry and property, they are not Socialists.
However they were Fascists:
Fascism. A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism. (American Heritage Dictionary)

[Arrow]

Moka's got it exactly right. Communism and Facism are opposites--though both are totalitarian forms of government.

Also--the KKK spread to Kansas, Indiana, California, and Oregon, among other states, during the first three decades of the early 20th century.

That's why I thought it was appropriate for that editorial to mention the Klan--the 1920s was anti-immigrant (nativist) in the teens and 1920s, not just anti-black, it was a national movement, not a southern movement at that time.

[Horserider]

Ok I'm getting a headache just reading this. If someone wants to e-mail me and explain it that would be awesome. I'm too young to understand any of this, but I'd like to. :huh:

[WashingtonBay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

NSPA march in Skokie

Skokie, Illinois was traditionally home to a sizable Jewish population, and although in recent years the town has significantly diversified, the Jewish population in Skokie, as well as in other suburbs, has also grown significantly[citation needed]. In 1977 and 1978, members of the National Socialist Party of America (an offshoot of the American Nazi Party) attempted to march through Skokie. The NSPA planned to rally in Marquette Park, Chicago; the city reacted by placing a ban on all demonstrations in the park.


I readily admit most of what I know about Illinois Nazis I learned on The Blues Brothers. I don't speak for Nazis everywhere, but these in Illinois in 1978 are identified as Socialists.

[WashingtonBay]

That's why I thought it was appropriate for that editorial to mention the Klan--the 1920s was anti-immigrant (nativist) in the teens and 1920s, not just anti-black, it was a national movement, not a southern movement at that time.

There's still no connection, no parallel, nothing appropriate about it. Sorry :)

[Arrow]

Next time ask the history teacher instead of the Blues Brothers.:D

[Arrow]

There's still no connection, no parallel, nothing appropriate about it. Sorry :)

Says you (((shrug)))

[WashingtonBay]

Next time ask the history teacher instead of the Blues Brothers.:D

I would, but the only one I know has kinda funny ideas about this that might be clouding her thinking. :)

[Arrow]

:hysterical:

Sad though, that I'm the only one you know...maybe that's the problem.:D

[WashingtonBay]

My mother taught Special Ed. Hubby's whole family are teachers... but they teach math, music, or second grade. I don't think they cover Illinois Nazis or Socialism in second grade.... Yet. :rolleyes:

Look. In many respects politics is a circle more than a straight line, and whether Nazis in Germany started out Socialist, which they did, and became more Fascist, which they did, the point is, American Nazis have never been accepted by members of the GOP, as was earlier asserted.

If we can at least agree on that, I'm happy.

[Arrow]

I never asserted any such thing. I only posted an interesting historical analysis from a newspaper that was very interesting and historically accurate. Nothing in that editorial I posted directly linked the politics of the 1920s to now--it only argued that it was the same KIND of politics--culture wars and the politics of fear.

[Arrow]

WB, you did say that the KKK was a southern thing before the 1950s--and that's not so. That's not accurate--it was in the nineteenth century, but not the twentieth.

[WashingtonBay]

This isn't about your article. rums mom said it, and I countered it, and several posts later about it we've ended up here.

[WashingtonBay]

WB, you did say that the KKK was a southern thing before the 1950s--and that's not so. That's not accurate--it was in the nineteenth century, but not the twentieth.

What I meant was it was a Southern thing, and has been dead, for all intents and purposes, since around the 50s.

Forget it.

I'm tired of talking about Nazis and the KKK.

[Arrow]

Yeah, I know--I'm not really part of the Nazi conversation--sorry that I muddied the waters posting about something else. Peace.:)

[rums_mom]

The KKK is not dead, not in the south, not in the USA. We have a very active KKK in our county. They are a bit more diversified now, but they are KKK nonetheless. Remember David Duke.

KKK and Nazis, still active, still believe in white supremacy, segregation of the races, and against immigrants of all kinds. Not too found of Catholics either.

[WashingtonBay]

Define "Very Active"

(why are we talking about this?)

[rums_mom]

Meetings, rallis, ads in the local newspapers, booths at the local street fairs......huge signs stating their "cause" on the side of the highway. Active recruitment......yep pretty active.

[WashingtonBay]

How many show up? Seriously. I'm sure they're bigger there than here, but how many?

They're the wacky fringe. More of an example that we mean what we say about freedom of speech than an actual political movement of any impact.

Not sure why you want to make them seem important or bigger than they are.

[rocknK]

Can we agree that "The Blues Brothers" is an all-time classic comedy??? Did I mention that I think it's funny as heck!!!!!!! Too bad he's dead. John Belucci would be a great history teacher!!!!!!!:p

[WashingtonBoy]

"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses"

"Hit it!"

[rocknK]

Being a victim of 12 years of Catlick education I still cringe when I see a nun! Must be all those busted knuckles.:nono:

[moka]

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]My mother taught Special Ed. Hubby's whole family are teachers... but they teach math, music, or second grade. I don't think they cover Illinois Nazis or Socialism in second grade.... Yet. :rolleyes:

Look. In many respects politics is a circle more than a straight line, and whether Nazis in Germany started out Socialist, which they did, and became more Fascist, which they did, the point is, American Nazis have never been accepted by members of the GOP, as was earlier asserted.

If we can at least agree on that, I'm happy.

WB, are you just trying to provoke us :nono:;);
I think you are very right in saying that politics is a circle more than straight line with the extreme right and extreme left coming together once you go far enough to either side. Like the NAZI's and the Communists were Totalitarians, but not Socialists. Both were very bad and there are many, many similarities between them - but there are also some significant differences.

Socialism is the idea of a classless society, Nazis society was very class-oriented with warrior and leader as the highest class, and Jews and workers as the lowest class, socialism dreams of a society without a leader. National socialism had Hitler, probably the most glorified leading figure in history. Socialism dreams about a society where there are no national states anymore, and people live together without any remark on their origin or "race", while the Nazis were the most nationalist / patriotic / race fanatic people ever. Plus the Nazi system was financed by big industrialists, factory owners and bankers, while they would probably be the greatest enemies of socialists. Nazis embraced socialist symbols and even language to attract working class vote in Germany, but their idea of enhancing German worker's living standards was to get rid of Jews,Homosexuals, people born with physical "imperfections", socialists, communists etc. to lower unemployment.

Those are the differences in theory, of course if you compare Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany you wouldn't find much difference, but in theory socialism and national socialism are complete opposites.

The word "Socialist" does not mean left-wing in the context of the NAZI party and has NO political relationship to the term Socialist as Americans think of it. They were Fascists - which is text-book right-wing.

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
- Yogi Berra

"Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men and women when he said: when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing: and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something - but then it was too late."

[WashingtonBay]

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WB, are you just trying to provoke us :nono:;)

Who me? Never :innocent: