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Tiz
03-29-2010, 08:17 PM
The real anti-Americans
Pat Buchanan: It's leftists who have history of political violence, not tea partiers
Posted: March 29, 2010
7:57 pm Eastern

By Patrick J. Buchanan


As Democrats, after a Sunday rally on the Capitol grounds, marched to the House hand-in-hand to vote for health-care reform, tea partiers reportedly shouted the "N-word" at John Lewis and another black congressman. A third was allegedly spat upon. And Barney Frank was called a nasty name.
Tea partiers deny it all. And neither audio nor video of this alleged incident has been produced, though TV cameras and voice recorders were everywhere on the Hill.
Other Democrats say their offices were vandalized and they've been threatened. A few received, and eagerly played for cable TV, obscene phone calls they got.
If true, this is crude and inexcusable behavior. And any threat should be investigated. But Democrats are also exploiting these real, imaginary or hoked-up slurs to portray themselves as political martyrs and to smear opponents as racists and bigots.
This is the politics of desperation.
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Majority Whip James Clyburn accuses Republicans of "aiding and abetting ... terrorism." New York Times columnist Frank Rich compared the tea-party treatment of Democrats to Nazi treatment of the Jews during Kristallnacht:
"How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn't recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht."
Kristallnacht, "Crystal Night," the "Night of Broken Glass," was the worst pogrom in Germany since the Middle Ages. Synagogues were torched and hundreds of businesses smashed. Shattered glass covered the streets. Women were assaulted and men beaten and murdered. After that terrible night, half the Jews remaining in Germany fled.
To compare a brick tossed through the window of a congressional office and two shouted slurs to Kristallnacht suggests a growing paranoia on the left about the populist right.
Not since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made "some Americans run off the rails," said Rich, have we seen anything like this.
Was Rich awake in 1964? Because it wasn't the right that went off the rails. The really big riot in 1964 was in Harlem, lasting five days, with 500 injured and as many arrested. The Watts riot in 1965, Detroit and Newark in 1967, Washington, D.C., and 100 other cities in 1968, all bringing troops into American cities, were not the work of George Wallace populists or Barry Goldwater conservatives. They were the work of folks who went "all the way with LBJ."
Nor was it Young Americans for Freedom that burned ROTC buildings, vandalized professors' offices, toted the guns at Cornell or took over Columbia in 1968. And it was not the Birchers who set off that 1970 explosion in the Greenwich Village townhouse that killed three radicals and aborted the terrorist bombing of the NCO club at Fort Dix.
No, this was not the New Right. This was the New Left, and it was Obama not John Boehner who used to "pal around" with one of the boys who did the Pentagon and Capitol Hill bombings.
(Column continues below)
As for calling Barney Frank a naughty name, that is not nice. But one wonders what Rich thought of the students marching under Viet Cong flags chanting, about the man who signed that Civil Rights Act, "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" and, "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, the NLF is going to win," when American boys were dying in the hundreds every week fighting the communist NLF?
The 1967 attack on the Pentagon, where thousands tried to break through military police to get into the building, was the work of left-wing radicals. Did the tea-party folks who chanted, "Kill the bill," outside the House behave worse than that?
Some of us recall the anarchy of May Day 1971, when 15,000 leftists tried to shut down Washington on a Monday morning by rolling logs onto Canal Road, smashing car windows, blocking traffic circles and wilding in Georgetown. Most wound up behind a chain-link fence at the Armory.
How many were arrested on Capitol Hill Sunday a week ago?
Not one tea partier, man or woman.
The "mass hysteria" of the tea-party right, writes Rich, is at root about race. "By 2012 ... non-Hispanic white births will be in the minority. The tea party is virtually all white. ... Their anxieties about a rapidly changing America are well-grounded."
Rich is implying that when America's white majority disappears, in 2042 according to 2008 Census Bureau projections, the day of the white conservative is over.
Given the rise in ethnic consciousness among all Americans, Rich may be right. But it is not just white folks who want illegal aliens deported and legal immigration curtailed, while 25 million of our own are out of work or underemployed.
A Zogby poll for the Center for Immigration Studies found that 56 percent of Hispanics, 57 percent of Asian-Americans and 68 percent of African-Americans think legal immigration is too high.
If the tea-party folks think it is leftist elites who detest and wish to be rid of the America they grew up in and love, they are right.

natisha
03-29-2010, 11:13 PM
If the phone calls are true the callers have amazing luck. Have you ever tried to get through to anyone in office on the phone or even leave a message?
One of the offices that someone was supposed to throw a brick through is located on the 30th floor of a building. Great arm that person had.
Let them label, I've been to the parties myself & have seen nothing violent or even disrespectful. A few upset & angry people but no anger that was acted on. Who knows what individuals do in their spare time though?
There's always a few bad nuts in every jar.

JackieB
03-29-2010, 11:28 PM
I generally agree with this article. I don't think it's fair to blame the Tea Party for the actions of a few people who would likely be violent no matter what the cause. It's like blaming liberals for environmental extremism.

Tiz
03-30-2010, 05:10 AM
"It's like blaming liberals for environmental extremism."

It is? How so, Jackie?

JackieB
03-30-2010, 05:59 AM
"It's like blaming liberals for environmental extremism."

It is? How so, Jackie?

The Tea Party isn't responsible for the people who throw bricks through windows and hurl vile names just like liberals aren't responsible for environmental extremists who destroy logging equipment, etc.

WashingtonBay
03-30-2010, 06:04 AM
IOW... He's agreeing with you Tiz... :coffee:

JackieB
03-30-2010, 06:06 AM
IOW... He's agreeing with you Tiz... :coffee:

Yes, I agree. Thanks for clarifying, WB.

Tatesgram
03-30-2010, 08:27 AM
And Barney Frank was called a nasty name.
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According to a Tea Party member that was there, they were walking down the hall, Barney Frank came out of his office and said some rather nasty things to the TP members. A man no one recognized, in the back of the group, said something to Frank. He was not a part of their group and they didn't see him again.

HeavensEast
03-30-2010, 09:42 AM
My dad was at the Tea Party rally on March 20th at Capitol Hill. He said that everyone was civilized and respectful, just upset about what is going on in this country and felt the need to express their right to protest peacefully.
I don't think they are extremists at all.

JackieB
03-30-2010, 10:50 AM
My dad was at the Tea Party rally on March 20th at Capitol Hill. He said that everyone was civilized and respectful, just upset about what is going on in this country and felt the need to express their right to protest peacefully.
I don't think they are extremists at all.

Shouldn't you be in school learning something?

Tiz
03-30-2010, 11:52 AM
"It is? How so, Jackie?"

Those were questions, people. I guess I've always thought of environmental wackos, that destroy property, as anarchists. Hey, it was early.

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-30-2010, 11:53 AM
Shouldn't you be in school learning something?

She'd be better off at the Tea Party learning something. :)

Tiz
03-30-2010, 11:56 AM
Maybe she doesn't attend a government run indoctrination center, RD.

WashingtonBay
03-30-2010, 12:00 PM
Poor HE ;)


I'm amused, without having a whole lot of time to document what I'm seeing, about the utter hypocrisy, by both sides on (a) protesters and how "scary" they are, whether they should be arrested, and the value and honor in civil disobedience. Reading threads on Free Republic and Democratic Underground, it truly is as shallow as whether it's the Tea Parties or or Code Pink, Christians or Muslims, Right or Left, Rove or Frank.

Specifically, my impression, from experience, is that when the left protests, stuff gets broken and disrupted, in great scale... i.e. the WTO riots, the anti-war protests in my own home town, the anti-police riots in Portland the last couple of days.

Just how often have the Tea Party events ended with police in riot gear and mace? Jesse Jackson was in town yesterday 'expressing concern' over the recent police shootings being protested, why isn't there a report linking him to the riot?

What if Palin had been there that day? Would she be blamed for inciting it? Absolutely.

The far left has a protest, they chain themselves together, vandalize and loot things, and shut parts of the city down. The far right has a protest, and everyone gets all "scared" of how out of control they are. Fear of what, exactly? Good grief.



And the hypocrisy from the right? Had to do with the arrest of the Mich Militia group over the weekend... FReepers immediately raised the banner in support of these guys, and doubted the reports that they had engaged in a criminal conspiracy of some type.... all the while wondering why the feds haven't raided all the "Muslim terrorist training camps" most FReepers only know exist because someone made a little graphic map that says so. They certainly don't have the evidence they say is needed in the case of the militia guys.

Tiz
03-30-2010, 12:10 PM
You'll have to carefully examine this video, and from every angle, to try to catch how the left addresses conservatives. Listen carefully now.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/30/rove_shouted_down_called_war_criminal_at_book_sign ing.html

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-30-2010, 12:15 PM
Maybe she doesn't attend a government run indoctrination center, RD.

Ohh... hadn't thought of that. But still... it would make for a memorable field trip. :)

natisha
03-30-2010, 12:55 PM
Shouldn't you be in school learning something?YES!:happydance:

natisha
03-30-2010, 12:58 PM
Maybe she doesn't attend a government run indoctrination center, RD.From the looks of some of her homework she does. She has gone to a Tea Party & follows politics too.

HeavensEast
03-30-2010, 01:41 PM
I have to relax every once and a while. ;) My school isn't a government-run indoctrination center, mostly. I'm in AP Environmental Science, however, and it definitely pushes some liberal thinking. But I agree with some of it. I don't think we should destroy our environment, but some of the things in my textbook seem bogus.
We also were forced to pick through our trash for a week to measure the volume of all types of solid waste. Yuck.. :rolleyes: Did I actually do it, no. None of the environmentalists in my class did either, yet they spout off about global warming and my lack of concern for its supposed existence.

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-30-2010, 05:59 PM
[...] I'm in AP Environmental Science, however, and it definitely pushes some liberal thinking. But I agree with some of it. I don't think we should destroy our environment, but some of the things in my textbook seem bogus.
We also were forced to pick through our trash for a week to measure the volume of all types of solid waste. Yuck.. :rolleyes: Did I actually do it, no. None of the environmentalists in my class did either, yet they spout off about global warming and my lack of concern for its supposed existence.

heh... oh, I know. The office I work in is most of the Environmental Science division of the company. Been around them for 20 years now. It's a very granola-and-birkenstock sort of crowd. :)

I'm all for the environment. I was a charter member of the Cousteau Society. We absolutely have a duty to be responsible stewards of our planet. We don't have another one handy if we screw this one up. We have to use smart, good science to manage our resources effectively. But we also have to be careful to avoid junk science-- and there's a lot of it out there. Junk science wastes resources.

It's not just natural resources that are limited. It's economic resources too. Every dollar that we spend on some useless program that "feels good" but doesn't really do anything productive-- that's a dollar that could have been put to more effective use. It's a waste.

Speaking of garbage: In your class, have you used or dealt with a book called "Rubbish! The Archaeology of Garbage" by Bill Rathje??? If you haven't... you really, really should. There's probably some stuff in there that will turn some of the teacher's curriculum upside-down. I know Dr. Rathje personally and have spent many hours over many glasses of bourbon discussing the finer points of "garbology" with him. He's a Professor at Stanford and the U. of Arizona. He's probably studied garbage more than anybody else on the planet. He's done huge archaeological digs at landfills all around the country. He's learned some really fascinating things. Over and over in the book, he spells out how most of the stuff we think we know about garbage, and for that matter, recycling, is wrong.

XshadowfoxX
03-31-2010, 11:03 PM
My dad was at the Tea Party rally on March 20th at Capitol Hill. He said that everyone was civilized and respectful, just upset about what is going on in this country and felt the need to express their right to protest peacefully.
I don't think they are extremists at all.


My parents and sisters were there also. I posted a thread about it the day before they left, with pictures of the signs that I painted for them. They said the same thing.