Obama Wins!

[Sundays Man]

I totally can't figure you out, Horseless. I've tended to think of you as a funny court jester just out to have fun. Perhaps though I'm overestimating you badly.

Why Arrow, even court jesters can have an opinion that's serious....however, it does seem strange. Come on Horseless, SAY SOMETHING FUNNY!!! We really need it right now.

[pandorasmom]

Whoa there! I live on the west half and I didn't vote for Obama...and I'm not moving, I won't, I won't, I won't! Lol.

You know, I figure we lived through 8 years of Bill Clinton, the Dems lived through 8 years of George Bush and now we have to endure 4 (hopefully only 4;)) years of Obama. Nothing is going to make everyone 100 percent happy. The great thing about this country is that we'll get a chance to change things again in 4 years if we don't like it.

Sorry I didn't clarify myself! I wasn't saying that everyone on the west coast voted for him. I was saying we'd use the west side to put all those that did vote for Obama out there, and the ones who voted McCain could use the east side. Sorry about that!
I wasn't trying to implement in anyway that everyone out west voted for Obama.

Starkitten:
I wasn't trying to say it to be rude. I was simply saying it as a legimate question. I can sometimes be confusing in the way I word something. It can especially be taken out of context when your reading something from a forum,email,etc. It's alot easier to "hide" behind a computer and type out things then it is to do it face to face with someone. I just wanted to be sure I was getting my illustration across. I'm sorry if it came across rude.

I know the nation will not be divided like that, so no need to worry about that. I was saying I wish it could be. Just thinking outloud, though I should know by now not to do that. I might step on toes.

[Sundays Man]

Ya know, maybe we should divide our nation. My dad suggested that and I think it sounds like a good idea. Have the west half have Obama as their President (Yuck...I even hate the sound of calling him that), and have the east half have McCain as their President. Will give you 2 yrs. with Obama and see how many people are wanting to come across our borders and be under McCain. No neither one of them are the best, but I surely know out of the two who I think would be better.

We tried that back in the 1860's.....it didn't turn out well. But I see where you're coming from. I think we all need to pull together and "encourage" the new administration to do the right things in a way that we all agree on.

[Arrow]

Unfounded rumors and opinions aren't one and same thing.:)

[Sundays Man]

As long as our gripes are kept here. I hate it when celebs go to other countries and bad mouth our country or our president.

Me and my sibs might have fought constantly at home, but outside of it, we stood together. You took on one, you took on all six.

I don't like him and I probably will never refer to him as "my president", but I will defend the fact that he was elected by the majority.

Ya know Tategram, you're right. I haven't looked at it that way, but all we are doing here is having a "family squabble". That makes it all better.

[starkitten]

I'll accept your apology (I hate stepping on anyones toes as well) :)

Never say never though - there has been a revolution before (as I mentioned earlier ;) ) I personally would never like to see that happen ever again...

[Sundays Man]

The seperating I'm talking about wouldn't cause a war.
I'm saying simply, put all the people who voted for Obama on the west half of the nation and all the people who voted for McCain on the east half of the nation. I'm not saying let's have a fight about it. I'm saying we'll let both Obama and McCain treat each half of the nation as if it was the entire USA. Then see how things went.
Is that to confusing of an illustration?

OOO, OOO, Can Diane and I go to Montana!!!!???? Please!!!???

[JackieB]

Obama, good or bad, was elected because he is a black man.

I reject this statement. If his platform wasn't strong enough to attract tens of millions of voters who vote based upon the issues, he never would have made it to the nomination of the Democratic Party. No way.

[pandorasmom]

I think we all need to pull together and "encourage" the new administration to do the right things in a way that we all agree on.


I see what your saying about the 1860's, I'm just meaning without war or anything. Just pick up the O supporters and place them in one area, and the McCain supporters and place them in one area.
I wouldn't mind encouraging if I knew it'd do some good. But I'm afraid it won't.

[Sundays Man]

OOO, OOO, Can Diane and I go to Montana!!!!???? Please!!!???

OOOPPPS, sorry, I voted for McCain. I might take a chance on Obama to live in Montana though, yeah, that would work. I could hunt and ride for a living and raise chickens and......Hmmmm, who cares who's president if you're self sufficient????? If you want my money.....come and find me. LOL.

[pandorasmom]

OOO, OOO, Can Diane and I go to Montana!!!!???? Please!!!???


Sure thing! :D

[JackieB]

You know one thing that I have found to be ironically humorous? The number of forumers who have said that they'd like to go to Canada.....and pay high taxes for national healthcare. Bwahahahaha!

[Pinky]

Pinky I don't want to let your post go unanswered, I really appreciate your perspective on all this. Poignant observations, all of them.
It's okay WB :). I wouldn't have minded if no one had answered. I realise and appreciate that as a teenager (and not even an American) I do not belong in this forum. But I don't mind what people think, really.

Pinky has it worse off than the USA, so it seems.
Unless there is a counrty called Pinky (I can dream, I guess;)) this doesn't make sense to me. I never said I, personally, was worse off than the USA - I have a home, haet and running water, I'm better off than some people already.
I was just trying (and failing, clearly) to make the point that even though a guy you don't like has been elected it doesn't make it the end of the world. The earth will continue to spin and the water will continue to run - the four horsemen of the apocolypse will not appear just because Obama is president.

Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American - but I never thought people could react to a vote in this way. Over here, if someone you don't like and didn't vote for gets elected, too bad, try again next time.

Maybe I wrong (actually, probably) but I just don't understand some of the reactions. I'll be honest, I was supporting John McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. I don't have anything against her; I just haven't listened to her enough to get it. I wasn't supporting Obama because I don't agree with his policies. I wasn't supporting him because of his colour. Heck, I wasn't supporting anyone in the end!

If you don't want to call Obama your president, don't. It's still a free country (I believe; unless something has happened in the last 10 minutes).

[Sundays Man]

Unfounded rumors and opinions aren't one and same thing.:)

HUH! Who is that directed at?

All4grace, why did you let me get off the bench!!!!??? Please keep my ginger ale cold. I'm really going to the bench now.

[pandorasmom]

I'll accept your apology (I hate stepping on anyones toes as well) :)

Never say never though - there has been a revolution before (as I mentioned earlier ;) ) I personally would never like to see that happen ever again...


Thank you!

I'm not saying never, just not now. If it happens it won't happen right now, is what I'm meaning.

:)

[Arrow]

HUH! Who is that directed at?

All4grace, why did you let me get off the bench!!!!??? Please keep my ginger ale cold. I'm really going to the bench now.

It's about what you said about Horseless--that even court jesters have serious opinions.

[pandorasmom]

If you don't want to call Obama your president, don't. It's still a free country (I believe; unless something has happened in the last 10 minutes).

My point exactly. I have the right (last I checked I did) to call him my president, or not. And thanks to all the men and women who have died for me, and sacrificed so much, so that I could have freedom (including freedom of speech), I will not be calling him Mine.

[Sundays Man]

It's okay WB :). I wouldn't have minded if no one had answered. I realise and appreciate that as a teenager (and not even an American) I do not belong in this forum. But I don't mind what people think, really.


Unless there is a counrty called Pinky (I can dream, I guess;)) this doesn't make sense to me. I never said I, personally, was worse off than the USA - I have a home, haet and running water, I'm better off than some people already.
I was just trying (and failing, clearly) to make the point that even though a guy you don't like has been elected it doesn't make it the end of the world. The earth will continue to spin and the water will continue to run - the four horsemen of the apocolypse will not appear just because Obama is president.

Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American - but I never thought people could react to a vote in this way. Over here, if someone you don't like and didn't vote for gets elected, too bad, try again next time.

Maybe I wrong (actually, probably) but I just don't understand some of the reactions. I'll be honest, I was supporting John McCain until he chose Sarah Palin. I don't have anything against her; I just haven't listened to her enough to get it. I wasn't supporting Obama because I don't agree with his policies. I wasn't supporting him because of his colour. Heck, I wasn't supporting anyone in the end!

If you don't want to call Obama your president, don't. It's still a free country (I believe; unless something has happened in the last 10 minutes).

Pinky, don't EVEN say you don't belong here. Let's not forget that what bonds us as a family is our love for horses. Your view as one from another country and thus "objective" is welcomed on ANY forum. Let's not forget, that we live in a small world. What happens in the U.K. affects the world in some way just as what happens in the U.S. affects the world in some way. We need your input. Thanks for speaking up.

[Sundays Man]

You know one thing that I have found to be ironically humorous? The number of forumers who have said that they'd like to go to Canada.....and pay high taxes for national healthcare. Bwahahahaha!

I hate snow JackieB and I hate cold. I love loooong hot summers and short cool winters. I'm happy right where I am. I think some of us are speaking tongue and cheek to show our displeasure with what the majority of voters decided. If that's not the case, then ya need to go to Canada, it's like the old saying...LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

[Equine_Woman]

I think Pinky makes the most sense of all of us. Well said!

[All4Grace]

All4grace, why did you let me get off the bench!!!!??? Please keep my ginger ale cold. I'm really going to the bench now.

*hands SM the superglue*

My butt has been glued. I am just :popcorn: now.

I will not comment:innocent:
I will not comment :nono:

OOH PIZZA"S HERE!!! :D
Dang it I glued my butt down.... Alright everyone that is sitting onthe bench mind getting up for a minute so I can get the darn pizza??

[WashingtonBay]

Maybe I just don't get it because I'm not American - but I never thought people could react to a vote in this way. Over here, if someone you don't like and didn't vote for gets elected, too bad, try again next time.

Well that's the British thing... you're all so polite and restrained and proper all the time. :D

Except in your House of Commons... they yell and holler like mad dogs in there... Not boring and scripted like here.

And you're very welcome on this forum. :) As SM said, it's a small world. The more we know about each other the better. :)

[Horseless]

I hate talking politics and religion cause I get so freaking mad.

I hope Im wrong and those of you who worship the ground he walks on is right and he does good for the nation.

I think he's a smooth talker and I dont freaking trust him.

I guess well know at the end of 4 years.

[Horseless]

You know one thing that I have found to be ironically humorous? The number of forumers who have said that they'd like to go to Canada.....and pay high taxes for national healthcare. Bwahahahaha!

whats even funnier is in a couple of years well be paying high taxes for national healthcare here in America.

Got to love socialism, thank you Obama.

[All4Grace]

[QUOTE=Horseless;31957]I hate talking politics and religion cause I get so freaking mad.

QUOTE]

*Sitting on the bench eating pizza*

I totally agree with you there!!
WoW! Did I just agree with Horseless! What is WRONG with me?? :p
;)

[Pinky]

Pinky, don't EVEN say you don't belong here. Let's not forget that what bonds us as a family is our love for horses. Your view as one from another country and thus "objective" is welcomed on ANY forum. Let's not forget, that we live in a small world. What happens in the U.K. affects the world in some way just as what happens in the U.S. affects the world in some way. We need your input. Thanks for speaking up.

I'm constantly told that my opinion doesn't matter IRL though - it's something you just get used to ignoring ;). Thank you though :). The most accurate quote I've ever heard pertaining to the US and UK relationship - "The US is just a big rhino running around with the UK as a flea on its back". The world looks to the US for guidance. Hatred for the president = not the best advice to give the world.

I think Pinky makes the most sense of all of us. Well said!
Thanks EW. I only say what I say because it (..annoys? ..irritates? ....:doh:) ...confuses me to see this reaction.
Free country. Things you want and need. A guy you may or may not like in power. Still beats Zimbabwe!

(However, I must say, the UK education system has clearly failed me due to my awful spelling in my posts on this thread!)

All4 - budge up please? I don't need much room :D.

[Pinky]

Well that's the British thing... you're all so polite and restrained and proper all the time. :D

Except in your House of Commons... they yell and holler like mad dogs in there... Not boring and scripted like here.

And you're very welcome on this forum. :) As SM said, it's a small world. The more we know about each other the better. :)

Thanks WB ;). The only time (that I can personally recall) we the people questioned the government of the UK was about Iraq. In 15 years, I remember people complaining about one thing.

The ones in the House of Commons are nutty :). They're (mostly) fat old men with no modern ideals.

Thanks :). I meant in the politics forum though:cowboy:. As I was told by a teacher today - "You can't discuss politics! First you're a girl, second you're a teenager, third you wear makeup. Go back to talking about boys or whatever it is you kids do these days." :doh: My friends and I were having a discussion about Obama etc. and what would happen now (a laugh a minute we are ;)) and he just came up to us and said that! it was on our own time and had nothing to do with him.
See what I mean about opinions being dismissed simply because of how old I am/gender/how I act?

[Sundays Man]

I hate talking politics and religion cause I get so freaking mad.

I hope Im wrong and those of you who worship the ground he walks on is right and he does good for the nation.

I think he's a smooth talker and I dont freaking trust him.

I guess well know at the end of 4 years.

HORSELESS, where ya been!!!???? That wasn't funny!!! Say sumpin funny!!! Quick, everybody's depending on ya.:)

[Sundays Man]

*hands SM the superglue*

My butt has been glued. I am just :popcorn: now.

I will not comment:innocent:
I will not comment :nono:

OOH PIZZA"S HERE!!! :D
Dang it I glued my butt down.... Alright everyone that is sitting onthe bench mind getting up for a minute so I can get the darn pizza??

Shooot!!! That's the ticket; SUPER GLUE, pass the tube All4.....HELP!!!!!! I'm talking and I can't shut UP!!!!!

[Horseless]

HORSELESS, where ya been!!!???? That wasn't funny!!! Say sumpin funny!!! Quick, everybody's depending on ya.:)


LOL I cant perform on demand!!! Im trying MAN Im trying!!! :eek:

[WashingtonBay]

Pinky, Did you tell him to buzz off, or some other very British comeback?

I don't think he'd have gotten away with that with a young Maggie Thatcher. :) Or maybe someone did say that to her once, you suppose?

[Cat]

What are we supposed to do? The country's in the hands of Obama and the Dems right now. If I could I'd leave for Australia right now. Your seeing it in Michigan right now. Houses for sale, everyone's getting out while they still can. Someday soon that's likely to be America. I just hope that we don't all end up suffering if this was a bad decision.


Wow - I've still got several pages to go, but wanted to take a breather and respond to this.

Am I getting this straight? You are trying to blame the foreclosures in MI on the Dems? That all falls under the big 3 going down the tank. Why are they going down the tank? Because they focused on big trucks and SUVs and when the gas went up - people stopped buying them. Sales dropped, and they couldn't switch gears fast enough into the little car market. Plunging sales means dropped jobs. No jobs means no money for house payments, which equates to foreclosures.

Its also effecting here in KY. We are a Tier I and Tier II supplier for trim and such to the auto companies. Our sales of dropped so bad that we are running at 50% capacity than we were last year - that means layed off people and unemployment (with more expected here in the next 2-3 months). That then just adds to that vicious circle of no money to buy new things by these people as this expands out tier I, tier II, tier III and beyond and even sales people. That means no jobs, no money to buy new cars, so now that OTHER car sales are dropping - such as toyota that was initially doing good. Well their sales are down now too.

Vicious circle. I do not envy our new president the mess he is being handed going into office. All I can do is be hopeful.

And to those that are saying some (yes only some - many of us had valid resons for voting for Obama that went well beyond the color of his skin) voted for Obama due to the color of his skin, well that is no different than those that voted for McCain/Palin because Palin is a woman. I know 2 people who voted for them due to that reason. If I know 2 at my small company, I'm sure there were more out there than that. So what is the difference?

[luv2show]

whats even funnier is in a couple of years well be paying high taxes for national healthcare here in America.

Got to love socialism, thank you Obama.

You know one thing that I have found to be ironically humorous? The number of forumers who have said that they'd like to go to Canada.....and pay high taxes for national healthcare. Bwahahahaha!

A lot of people like Canadas health care systems... there's a reason why it's considered to be one of the best in the world. :)

[Miracle Whip]

Before you call me disrespectful of the elderly... do you want a woman president? Statistically, would McCain have lasted until he was 76? Could he have done it all in 4 years? What would his chances have been of being re-elected?

I have worked with the elderly and I am handicapped. But I don't want an older person in office right now. My nephew thinks it is horrible that a president has to be 35 years old to even RUN for president! He is right! Since when do you have to be 60+ to have enough experience? Why not 5 or 10 years of work experience? Why not be president when you are young enough to enjoy it?? The old farts have run this country WAY too long if you ask me...lets give the young guy a chance and see what happens.

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

It's 11pm here and I'm listening to his speech now. I am ELATED!!!

We are living history folks, it's absolutely amazing...

http://www.barbarasdomain.com/main/images/photoalbum/17/obama_lg.jpg


Is this our new American Flag?

I have not read everything in this thread yet, hopefully I get thru it all...but.....

Seriously, I did not vote for Obama. I do not think he is qualified or experienced enough to be the President of the United States at this time, with all that he will face. I appreciate that some of you do AND I greatly respect that.

However....

I could not stand the disrespect all the Americans have given to "their" President over the past years. So, I for one, will not do that to President Obama. I am very disappointed about his election, but I will give him the respect he is due as the President of this Wonderful Country. I hope he can accomplish some of the things he wants to do for America..but then again, I hope some of the things he can not!!!

[Sundays Man]

I'm constantly told that my opinion doesn't matter IRL though - it's something you just get used to ignoring ;). Thank you though :). The most accurate quote I've ever heard pertaining to the US and UK relationship - "The US is just a big rhino running around with the UK as a flea on its back". The world looks to the US for guidance. Hatred for the president = not the best advice to give the world.


Thanks EW. I only say what I say because it (..annoys? ..irritates? ....:doh:) ...confuses me to see this reaction.
Free country. Things you want and need. A guy you may or may not like in power. Still beats Zimbabwe!

(However, I must say, the UK education system has clearly failed me due to my awful spelling in my posts on this thread!)

All4 - budge up please? I don't need much room :D.

Pinky, I'm not an important person, but WHOEVER tells you that your opinion doesn't count...well doesn't count. Every person alive has an opinion and IT COUNTS. There have been times when I wished I'd kept my opinion to myself, but it was still my opinion. You let us hear your opinion, it counts here.

[laredo454]

Did I start something? haha :)

[Sundays Man]

LOL I cant perform on demand!!! Im trying MAN Im trying!!! :eek:

Don't make me post "THE PICTURE"

[Cat]

yep you are right and thats exactly what I was getting at.
Someone said he's not muslim, then why have a Muslim name if your NOT Muslim.
Because Barack Obama , is a Muslim name.

So if someone is given a Christian name, then that makes them Christian???? Hmmm...interesting concept.

[JackieB]

A lot of people like Canadas health care systems... there's a reason why it's considered to be one of the best in the world. :)

Did you see the little joke I made (yesterday some time) about how you found that there was a month wait to get in the hospital when you got injured, so you Sugars helped you make a sling from a feed sack and you tied it up with baling twine while ChiseKoji scoured the countryside for one extra aspirin?

That's about how you hear many people in the US respond when we say something complimentary about Canada's healthcare system. :) It really gets heated fast.

[Pinky]

Pinky, Did you tell him to buzz off, or some other very British comeback?

I don't think he'd have gotten away with that with a young Maggie Thatcher. :) Or maybe someone did say that to her once, you suppose?
Well as this teacher is known for giving after school detentions for sneezing while he talks (bit of an ego that one has ;)) I decided to do my best 'Open your mouth once more and you die' look. :D Turns out I'm rather good at it as he avoided me for the rest of the day; result!

I hope someone did :). She probably ripped into them well and truely :D. I might go into politics....(I'm joking...seriously)
I'm guessing you like Thatcher WB? She seems a lot like you actually...(in a good way)

Pinky, I'm not an important person, but WHOEVER tells you that your opinion doesn't count...well doesn't count. Every person alive has an opinion and IT COUNTS. There have been times when I wished I'd kept my opinion to myself, but it was still my opinion. You let us hear your opinion, it counts here.
Yeah, I think this is maybe the second time I'd seriously expressed my opinion ever :p. Just because I'm younger doesn't mean I don't count :rolleyes:. I also got told I had no right to complain about Gordon Brown (Moose...meese?) as I didn't vote for him...newsflash, no one did!
Thank you :)

Did I start something? haha :)
No! Whatever gave you that idea! :D Joke ;)
I'm glad you started the thread, some of the views, feeling and opinons expressed have been surprising and interesting :)


Someone, please give me the superglue before I say any more! :) *is saying nothing more on this thread* ...yeah, right :innocent:

[Vibe]

Yesssssssssssssssss!! Am I the only person in Georgia rooting for Obama?
Well anyway, He got votes for ALL the wrong reasons, but I am glad he got it to tell you the truth..

[Sundays Man]

A lot of people like Canadas health care systems... there's a reason why it's considered to be one of the best in the world. :)
Perhaps we should ask a Canadian, especially a Canadian over the age of 50. You would not get very high ratings there. Everyone on this forum will be at that age one day, God willing. It might be worth listening to them for their opinion. I know they are just old dinasaurs, out of touch with reality and know nothing about the modern world, and ignorant, even though they are the ones that have held it together for us to get to this point.

[Cat]

That's about how you hear many people in the US respond when we say something complimentary about Canada's healthcare system. :) It really gets heated fast.

Doesn't matter now - seems everyone who was complaining about the posibility of socialist health care here in the US is now flocking to Canada. I don't get it.

[Sundays Man]

Before you call me disrespectful of the elderly... do you want a woman president? Statistically, would McCain have lasted until he was 76? Could he have done it all in 4 years? What would his chances have been of being re-elected?

I have worked with the elderly and I am handicapped. But I don't want an older person in office right now. My nephew thinks it is horrible that a president has to be 35 years old to even RUN for president! He is right! Since when do you have to be 60+ to have enough experience? Why not 5 or 10 years of work experience? Why not be president when you are young enough to enjoy it?? The old farts have run this country WAY too long if you ask me...lets give the young guy a chance and see what happens.

Are you kidding me? Can you say Murtha or some of the other ancient Senators and Reps that have been being re-elected year after year. Here's Murtha approaching 90 years old, calls his people racist, rednecks, etc and gets re-elected. Tell me there isn't some lead in the water up there and all over this country. Like I said before, we keep rewarding them for raping us by re-electing them.

[luv2show]

Perhaps we should ask a Canadian, especially a Canadian over the age of 50. You would not get very high ratings there. Everyone on this forum will be at that age one day, God willing. It might be worth listening to them for their opinion. I know they are just old dinasaurs, out of touch with reality and know nothing about the modern world, and ignorant, even though they are the ones that have held it together for us to get to this point.

:huh: Well I might not be over 50 but I am Canadian..... I'm not sure where I said EVERYONE though Canada had the best health care systems, I'm saying it can't be that bad if it's considered one of the worlds best.

[WashingtonBay]

I hope someone did :). She probably ripped into them well and truely :D. I might go into politics....(I'm joking...seriously)
I'm guessing you like Thatcher WB? She seems a lot like you actually...(in a good way)


I love Margaret Thatcher. I wish we had a few like her here in the states. I was privileged to hear her speak once, and there are far worse role models for both of us :D

[luv2show]

Did you see the little joke I made (yesterday some time) about how you found that there was a month wait to get in the hospital when you got injured, so you Sugars helped you make a sling from a feed sack and you tied it up with baling twine while ChiseKoji scoured the countryside for one extra aspirin?

That's about how you hear many people in the US respond when we say something complimentary about Canada's healthcare system. :) It really gets heated fast.


Lol, no I didn't! Where was this? hahaha
EDIT: OMG, I found it and replied! LOL

[Sundays Man]

Is this our new American Flag?

I have not read everything in this thread yet, hopefully I get thru it all...but.....

Seriously, I did not vote for Obama. I do not think he is qualified or experienced enough to be the President of the United States at this time, with all that he will face. I appreciate that some of you do AND I greatly respect that.

However....

I could not stand the disrespect all the Americans have given to "their" President over the past years. So, I for one, will not do that to President Obama. I am very disappointed about his election, but I will give him the respect he is due as the President of this Wonderful Country. I hope he can accomplish some of the things he wants to do for America..but then again, I hope some of the things he can not!!!

I like it. I too will cast my support for our president, cautiously, and with expectations.

[Cat]

I"m sorry, I was reading the earlier posts of having to go shovel poo and found this...

http://bestsmileys.com/poking/4.gif

Sorry, trying to bring some humor to the thread.

[Sundays Man]

So if someone is given a Christian name, then that makes them Christian???? Hmmm...interesting concept.

Always vigilant CAT. Good point....SM waiting for horseless's counter point....and something funny!!:)

[Toodlestoo]

I reject this statement. If his platform wasn't strong enough to attract tens of millions of voters who vote based upon the issues, he never would have made it to the nomination of the Democratic Party. No way.

JackieB--he never would have been nominated in the first place by his party if he was white. That's the point I was making. Not with his inexperience! Hilary would have gotten the nomination. And, how do you think we're going to pay for national health care that Obama has promised--higher taxes!

[starkitten]

I like it. I too will cast my support for our president, cautiously, and with expectations.

Totally agree - I think everyone should show support with caution and expectations - nothing wrong with that :)

[Toodlestoo]

Totally agree - I think everyone should show support with caution and expectations - nothing wrong with that :)


Ooo, add me to this list. I'm anxious to see what he does. I'm cautiously optimistic! I'm actually surprising myself!:rolleyes:

[Sundays Man]

Yesssssssssssssssss!! Am I the only person in Georgia rooting for Obama?
Well anyway, He got votes for ALL the wrong reasons, but I am glad he got it to tell you the truth..

That's it LoveXMyXMustang!!! You MUST move out of the state immediately; You may proceed to the south to Florida or you may proceed immediately to Viginia in the north. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. J/K. We love you anyway, BLESS YOUR HEART. LOL

[JackieB]

....BLESS YOUR HEART. LOL

I'm never going to be able to hear that again and fel the same way. :)

[Sundays Man]

:huh: Well I might not be over 50 but I am Canadian..... I'm not sure where I said EVERYONE though Canada had the best health care systems, I'm saying it can't be that bad if it's considered one of the worlds best.

I can't argue with that. Sorry. After I posted my reply I remembered that most of my info came from U.S. media, therefore probably twisted with some half truths or out and out lies. Sad really, but that's reality. I have NO confidence in anything I read or hear from the media folks in this country...except some stuff on Fox News. :hysterical:

[Sundays Man]

I love Margaret Thatcher. I wish we had a few like her here in the states. I was privileged to hear her speak once, and there are far worse role models for both of us :D

How about Sarah Palin WB?:)

[Sundays Man]

I'm never going to be able to hear that again and fel the same way. :):hysterical::hysterical:

[Sundays Man]

O.K. Who stole the little smilie sticking his tongue out??????

[Cat]

O.K. Who stole the little smilie sticking his tongue out??????


WB disabled it to save her sanity.

[JackieB]

O.K. Who stole the little smilie sticking his tongue out??????

WB disabled it for the day because she reached her limit on the possibility of someone poking fun at her over the election result. I think she figured it was really in everyone's best interest. :):):):):)

[Remali]

Love your new sig pic JackieB!!

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

I"m sorry, I was reading the earlier posts of having to go shovel poo and found this...

http://bestsmileys.com/poking/4.gif

Sorry, trying to bring some humor to the thread.

I like it Cat!!!! :)

[WashingtonBay]

I'll put it back tonight.

I was on a short fuse this morning and that little bugger just doesn't stop. ;)

[Sundays Man]

WB disabled it for the day because she reached her limit on the possibility of someone poking fun at her over the election result. I think she figured it was really in everyone's best interest. :):):):):)

Oh, O.K. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/tongue/tongue0015.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-indifferent-smileys.php)

[WashingtonBay]

Hmmmm..... ;)

[Sundays Man]

Hmmmm..... ;)

Sorry WB, I just couldn't stop myself. I feel your pain, I am one of the "red" people too.

[sugarsgirl]

I'm glad he won, I wanted him to win. Even though I'm Canadian and don't have a say or anything, I'm kinda into politics (I'm only 17 so I still don't understand them fully, or know a whole lot) and I was rooting for him.

[Vibe]

That's it LoveXMyXMustang!!! You MUST move out of the state immediately; You may proceed to the south to Florida or you may proceed immediately to Viginia in the north. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. J/K. We love you anyway, BLESS YOUR HEART. LOL
Oh! :cry: I'll go pack my bags!! ;):D

[Sundays Man]

I'm glad he won, I wanted him to win. Even though I'm Canadian and don't have a say or anything, I'm kinda into politics (I'm only 17 so I still don't understand them fully, or know a whole lot) and I was rooting for him.
Thanks for saying that. Why, if you don't mind me asking, were you rooting for him? Give us some insight from your side of the border please.

[Sundays Man]

Oh! :cry: I'll go pack my bags!! ;):D

No, No, You voted for him, now ya GOT to stay. I was just kidding. Who we gonna beat up on later if all of you move out of the state? LMM, you know I'm kidding. I hope those of us on the "other side" are proven to be very wrong. I am hoping for that. There are a lot of good things that can happen, and some bad things. I'm going to be on the optimistic side and think the good things are going to happen and all of us Republicans are going to have to eat crow. :hysterical:

[pandorasmom]

Before you call me disrespectful of the elderly... do you want a woman president? Statistically, would McCain have lasted until he was 76? Could he have done it all in 4 years? What would his chances have been of being re-elected?

I have worked with the elderly and I am handicapped. But I don't want an older person in office right now. My nephew thinks it is horrible that a president has to be 35 years old to even RUN for president! He is right! Since when do you have to be 60+ to have enough experience? Why not 5 or 10 years of work experience? Why not be president when you are young enough to enjoy it?? The old farts have run this country WAY too long if you ask me...lets give the young guy a chance and see what happens.


do you want a woman president? I personally don't mind if it's a woman or a man, as long as either one can run the Country like it should be. I think the biggest problem with America, is it has strayed to far from God. This country was founded on Biblical principles, and was based around God. Does anyone remember that this country is "One Nation Under God"? Many years have passed and this Country has forgotten God. After 9/11 it seemed people woke up for a little while, because they needed God. They felt they needed to pray, and they needed help. It was convinent for them. We shouldn't go to God when it's convinent for us, and because we need him. We should go to him all the time. Our Country should be based off him now, 20 yrs ago, 20 yrs. forward,etc. It should be like they intended for it to be when this Country was started.
Statistically, would McCain have lasted until he was 76? That's not for you or anyone else to be concerned about. Check the obituaries and see if anyone younger or older then 76 died. We all are appointed our time by God. He's the only one who knows when and how we'll die. No where's is it set in stone that you die by 76, or any other age. We are not guaranteed tomorrow. Each day should be lived like it was our last. Some of us could grow up and be 100 when we die, others will die much younger. It's not for us to decide. No matter how long he would've lasted, it would've been was he able of running the Country like he should. Yes, I think he would've been.
Could he have done it all in 4 years? No one knows that either. I'm not even going to try to see that far ahead. I will say that it will probably take anyone longer then 4 yrs. to fix it. It's not something that has gotten this way in such a short time.
What would his chances have been of being re-elected? Depends, don't know that either. What's Obama's chances of being re-elected? Until you see what he does or doesn't do you won't know. He( and any other politican) can pull the wool over your eyes and have you believe what he wants until he gets in office, and then things change. Power can go to your head.

I dont' think anyone has said that you have to be 60+ to have enough experience, unless I missed something somewheres. I personally don't think anyone younger then 35 should be able to run for President. Any younger and I think they'll be very immature odds are, and it would probably be a disaster. I personally think that older is better when it comes to something like running a country. I'm not saying older then Methuselah, but I'm saying old enough to be experience and have learnt something in your time on this earth. It's not just running a local store down the road, it's an entire Nation.
I just think that atleast by 35 your a little experienced and not so immature/childish.
Since most people are complaining about Sarah Palin not having experience, why would you want some "young guy" without experience given the "chance" to run something like this to "see what happens". Why would you want to chance that? I don't understand it.
Everyone (especially the news media) has done nothing but put Sarah Palin down for lack of experience, and for this and that, and tried to drag out every detail about her that they could. But had she have been a democrat and on that side, she would've been praised and applauded for carrying the load she is, and possibly being the first female Vice President.

It makes no sense to me.

[Vibe]

No, No, You voted for him, now ya GOT to stay. I was just kidding. Who we gonna beat up on later if all of you move out of the state? LMM, you know I'm kidding. I hope those of us on the "other side" are proven to be very wrong. I am hoping for that. There are a lot of good things that can happen, and some bad things. I'm going to be on the optimistic side and think the good things are going to happen and all of us Republicans are going to have to eat crow. :hysterical:
:D Ok ok I'll stay, but if things get tough around here, I'll see ya in Florida...:hysterical:
I am hoping obama will commit to that "Change" like he promised. Any who here is my opinion(or at least something good I think will come out of this..), Please don't kill me!!
I think! blacks(or African Americans) will finally stop having a reason to scream racism.. We have a half black president, so now they can't say everything is unequal.
Now I know this statement is probably going to get me shunned, but I think we all know it is true(Most African Americans still hold a grudge that there great great grandparents were slaves..) I could go on all day about this,..:rolleyes: but I'll keep it to myself. I hope y'all still love me..;)

[lacyloo]

ok Im just gonna say one thing.
I dont like either presidents. But im underaged and I can't vote so it really doesn't matter.

But I got in trouble today at my (private christian school).. Since its a christian school they support Mcain because he is republican.. So everyone there talks alot of crap about Obama, I always here stuff like, (he's muslem) and(he's black and doesnt deserve to be president).. well Today, Of corse everyone is mad because Mcain lost.. I was sitting in class and I here someone say(Obama looks like a monkey).. Ok iv had enough, So I stand up and say,(You know im sick of all you (so called christians) sitting there saying crap about Obama, Thats judgeing and it clearly says in the bible that your not suppose to judge people.. And you really need to get the facts on Obama and quite following what other people tell you.)

I didn't really get into to much trouble but yea I know I should really learn to keep my mouth shut..

[JackieB]

ok Im just gonna say one thing.
I dont like either presidents. But im underaged and I can't vote so it really doesn't matter.

But I got in trouble today at my (private christian school)..

Good for you, lacyloo. That was a courageous thing to do and I'm sure you teacher was proud of you.

[moka]

Drama grabs attention, I am not saying that we are going to experience what Germany went through at the hands of Hitler. You missed the point, Germany LOVED Hitler initially, he won their loyalty and love first....

You are kidding - right?

[pandorasmom]

ok Im just gonna say one thing.
I dont like either presidents. But im underaged and I can't vote so it really doesn't matter.

But I got in trouble today at my (private christian school).. Since its a christian school they support Mcain because he is republican.. So everyone there talks alot of crap about Obama, I always here stuff like, (he's muslem) and(he's black and doesnt deserve to be president).. well Today, Of corse everyone is mad because Mcain lost.. I was sitting in class and I here someone say(Obama looks like a monkey).. Ok iv had enough, So I stand up and say,(You know im sick of all you (so called christians) sitting there saying crap about Obama, Thats judgeing and it clearly says in the bible that your not suppose to judge people.. And you really need to get the facts on Obama and quite following what other people tell you.)

I didn't really get into to much trouble but yea I know I should really learn to keep my mouth shut..

The problem is people who call Obama names are "supposedly speaking" dirt, they are scum.
The problem is people who have called Bush and others names don't have anything said to them. They think it's okay. They can talk all they won't but no one should say a word bad to them or about their "person".

Why is it right for you to say something "judgemental" about someone you don't like?
We should be allowed the same "fairness" that your partaking of.

I'm not saying it's right to call anyone snide or rude comments. So please dont' think I am.

[Equine_Woman]

The problem is people who call Obama names are "supposedly speaking" dirt, they are scum.
The problem is people who have called Bush and others names don't have anything said to them. They think it's okay. They can talk all they won't but no one should say a word bad to them or about their "person".

Why is it right for you to say something "judgemental" about someone you don't like?
We should be allowed the same "fairness" that your partaking of.

Tell that to the Dixie Chicks.

[starkitten]

The problem is people who call Obama names are "supposedly speaking" dirt, they are scum.
The problem is people who have called Bush and others names don't have anything said to them. They think it's okay. They can talk all they won't but no one should say a word bad to them or about their "person".

Why is it right for you to say something "judgemental" about someone you don't like?
We should be allowed the same "fairness" that your partaking of.

I think there is a difference between talking about not liking his policies, credentianials and what not AND calling him a monkey (that's an uncalled for slur and it seems that is where she got fed up).

[starkitten]

Otherwise I agree - you should be able to voice your opinions - that is what makes this country great :)

[Sundays Man]

:D Ok ok I'll stay, but if things get tough around here, I'll see ya in Florida...:hysterical:
I am hoping obama will commit to that "Change" like he promised. Any who here is my opinion(or at least something good I think will come out of this..), Please don't kill me!!
I think! blacks(or African Americans) will finally stop having a reason to scream racism.. We have a half black president, so now they can't say everything is unequal.
Now I know this statement is probably going to get me shunned, but I think we all know it is true(Most African Americans still hold a grudge that there great great grandparents were slaves..) I could go on all day about this,..:rolleyes: but I'll keep it to myself. I hope y'all still love me..;)

A true Southun Belle. I do still love you and respect what you believe in. I can agree with most of what you say. I grew up in a racist era. I saw the inequality and I see what's happening today. You never owned slaves and no blacks alive today were slaves themselves. Many like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc, have been on the front lines and know more about inequality than most of us. However, even they see that we are a different America today, ESPECIALLY, now. I have a layer of my being that's glad for the black population that they can now feel better represented through Obama. My fear is that it will have a negative effect and make demands for "restitution" a key issue when no one really has a claim to that, especially the younger ones. My fears may be unfounded and I hope so. I think that it's time we all, finally, see each other as just folks, neither black nor white nor purple or green, just folks. Sure the black community has a different view of life from the whites in this country, but so does the Native American community, the German American community, the Japanese American community, etc, etc. That's why our country is so great. We don't have to agree with each other on everything, but we are still all Americans and we WILL pull together when the times demand it. It's all going to turn out just the way it's supposed to and there is nothing we can do about it. :)

[Vibe]

Haha the way this economy is going we are going to have to pay to voice our opinions.. :D

[Arrow]

JackieB--he never would have been nominated in the first place by his party if he was white. That's the point I was making. Not with his inexperience! Hilary would have gotten the nomination. And, how do you think we're going to pay for national health care that Obama has promised--higher taxes!

I find that very, very debatable. I would never have voted for her in the primary for 2 reasons--1) Iraq war authorization vote, 2) she's too polarizing a figure--she'd never win in the general election. After the whole Kerry debacle, I vowed never to go against my gut again and vote for someone who o.k.ed Bush's use of force (good thing for Biden he's only the VP choice, not the Pres choice) in Iraq. And though I think that we need a woman President--Clinton is not who I'd pick to be the first--the backlash against her would be enormous. I would have voted for Obama if he'd been white. He seems like a true leader to me--he's going to bring people together--he's got a knack for that.

[JackieB]

The problem is people who have called Bush and others names don't have anything said to them. They think it's okay. They can talk all they won't but no one should say a word bad to them or about their "person".


No, it's not okay, pandorasmom. People who do this might think it's OK, but it's not. We'll never get where we want to be as a society or as individuals if we accept that "What I said might not be the best, but what he said was worse". We can only be fully responsible for our own actions and need to hold ourselves accountable regardless of what others do.

[Equine_Woman]

A true Southun Belle. I do still love you and respect what you believe in. I can agree with most of what you say. I grew up in a racist era. I saw the inequality and I see what's happening today. You never owned slaves and no blacks alive today were slaves themselves. Many like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc, have been on the front lines and know more about inequality than most of us. However, even they see that we are a different America today, ESPECIALLY, now. I have a layer of my being that's glad for the black population that they can now feel better represented through Obama. My fear is that it will have a negative effect and make demands for "restitution" a key issue when no one really has a claim to that, especially the younger ones. My fears may be unfounded and I hope so. I think that it's time we all, finally, see each other as just folks, neither black nor white nor purple or green, just folks. Sure the black community has a different view of life from the whites in this country, but so does the Native American community, the German American community, the Japanese American community, etc, etc. That's why our country is so great. We don't have to agree with each other on everything, but we are still all Americans and we WILL pull together when the times demand it. It's all going to turn out just the way it's supposed to and there is nothing we can do about it. :)

Now that's a statement I can get behind. Glad you loosened up your super glued hiney to say that. If everyone was so willing to accept the possibility that it might be okay and that our country is the greatest in the world (sorry folks from elsewhere, it's a fact ;) ) then we would all be able to stop the partisanship and try to work together for the good of us all.

Edited cause I misspoke while typing too quickly. Sorry Tiz, guess we don't agree. ;)

[Vibe]

A true Southun Belle. I do still love you and respect what you believe in. I can agree with most of what you say. I grew up in a racist era. I saw the inequality and I see what's happening today. You never owned slaves and no blacks alive today were slaves themselves. Many like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc, have been on the front lines and know more about inequality than most of us. However, even they see that we are a different America today, ESPECIALLY, now. I have a layer of my being that's glad for the black population that they can now feel better represented through Obama. My fear is that it will have a negative effect and make demands for "restitution" a key issue when no one really has a claim to that, especially the younger ones. My fears may be unfounded and I hope so. I think that it's time we all, finally, see each other as just folks, neither black nor white nor purple or green, just folks. Sure the black community has a different view of life from the whites in this country, but so does the Native American community, the German American community, the Japanese American community, etc, etc. That's why our country is so great. We don't have to agree with each other on everything, but we are still all Americans and we WILL pull together when the times demand it. It's all going to turn out just the way it's supposed to and there is nothing we can do about it. :)

Ha ha Yep,you said it waaaay better than I could Sundays Man! Well since Obama is of mixed ethnicity maybe just maybe *Fingers crossed* he will bring us all together. Since he knows were most of us are coming from.

[Sundays Man]

ok Im just gonna say one thing.
I dont like either presidents. But im underaged and I can't vote so it really doesn't matter.

But I got in trouble today at my (private christian school).. Since its a christian school they support Mcain because he is republican.. So everyone there talks alot of crap about Obama, I always here stuff like, (he's muslem) and(he's black and doesnt deserve to be president).. well Today, Of corse everyone is mad because Mcain lost.. I was sitting in class and I here someone say(Obama looks like a monkey).. Ok iv had enough, So I stand up and say,(You know im sick of all you (so called christians) sitting there saying crap about Obama, Thats judgeing and it clearly says in the bible that your not suppose to judge people.. And you really need to get the facts on Obama and quite following what other people tell you.)

I didn't really get into to much trouble but yea I know I should really learn to keep my mouth shut..

Lacyloo, the bible tells us to pray for our political leaders. Trust me, had it not been God's will for Obama to be president, he wouldn't be, and that's biblical too. If I were your dad, I would say I'm proud of you for your stance. I didn't vote for Obama, but he is still our leader now and we had better support him, pray for him and make peace. You might even go so far as to say that he is now God's annointed leader for America. No matter what people think or say, it's out of our hands now. It will be history that determines what kind of president he was. Let's pray for the best, but mostly for God's will to continue to be done.

[Equine_Woman]

Lacyloo, the bible tells us to pray for our political leaders. Trust me, had it not been God's will for Obama to be president, he wouldn't be, and that's biblical too. If I were your dad, I would say I'm proud of you for your stance. I didn't vote for Obama, but he is still our leader now and we had better support him, pray for him and make peace. You might even go so far as to say that he is now God's annointed leader for America. No matter what people think or say, it's out of our hands now. It will be history that determines what kind of president he was. Let's pray for the best, but mostly for God's will to continue to be done.

How I wish my Dad thought like you. That in my eyes is a truely Christian statement and the first I've heard in a long time that I felt really stirred by. I have issues with religion that are to much for me to go into. I let a lot of "Christians" bring me down to a point where I didn't know what I believed in but I knew I didn't want to be like them. I wouldn't mind being like you. I'm working on my faith and it's a daily thing but I had to tell you that your statement gives me hope that not all Christians are going to bash me for being me. K but this is another topic entirely. Back to the subject!!

[Tiz]

Wow, I find I agree with EW on something. Yes, stop the bipartisanship, for heavens sake! Like Will Rogers said, if you take the middle of the road, you're liable to get run over!
Interestingly, Nancy Pelosi said that now that the Democrats have a majority, they will be more bipartisan. I've always suspected she didn't know what bipartisan meant, now we know.
Sunman, lovely and comforting. Thanks.

[JackieB]

Lacyloo, the bible tells us to pray for our political leaders. Trust me, had it not been God's will for Obama to be president, he wouldn't be, and that's biblical too. If I were your dad, I would say I'm proud of you for your stance. I didn't vote for Obama, but he is still our leader now and we had better support him, pray for him and make peace. You might even go so far as to say that he is now God's annointed leader for America. No matter what people think or say, it's out of our hands now. It will be history that determines what kind of president he was. Let's pray for the best, but mostly for God's will to continue to be done.

That was a beautiful and gracious thing to say, Sundays Man. It's not the first time that I've heard you say something along these lines, either. You really live your Christianity by example and I commend you.

[starkitten]

Well said Sunday's - That is true Christianity....

[FrogInABlender]

Totally agree - I think everyone should show support with caution and expectations - nothing wrong with that :)

Yep, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. No way I'm running off to Canada in sack cloth and ashes, wailing and gnashing my teeth! I'm sitting right here and making sure he lives up to everybody's expectations. We all just need to get a grip and get on with making this country great again. :)

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

Now that's a statement I can get behind. Glad you loosened up your super glued hiney to say that. If everyone was so willing to accept the possibility that it might be okay and that our country is the greatest in the world (sorry folks from elsewhere, it's a fact ;) ) then we would all be able to stop the partisanship and try to work together for the good of us all.

Edited cause I misspoke while typing too quickly. Sorry Tiz, guess we don't agree. ;)

I will stand behind it too, Equine_Woman...especially since he got his "super glued hiney all loosened up!!!!! :hysterical:

Sorry, sweetheart, I just couldn't resist!!!;)

[Arrow]

Yep, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. No way I'm running off to Canada in sack cloth and ashes, wailing and gnashing my teeth! I'm sitting right here and making sure he lives up to everybody's expectations. We all just need to get a grip and get on with making this country great again. :)

Good for you! That's as it should be.

I'll match your siggy quote with one from Benjamin Franklin, though:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

[Sundays Man]

That was a beautiful and gracious thing to say, Sundays Man. It's not the first time that I've heard you say something along these lines, either. You really live your Christianity by example and I commend you.
Thanks JB, but it isn't me. If left to my own devices, I would mess it up royally. I try to listen to what He teaches me and do that. I fail more than I succeed, but He gets the glory for anything I might accomplish.

[GrungeEquestrian]

Oh come now. We're not in as bad of shape as Germany was at that time, nor are we as ignorant as those poor Germans were. Plus our government is set up to not allow that sort of thing to happen.

Don't be overly dramatic .
No you are right we aren't as bad as Germany was...thank the Lord for that. AND our government was set up so it wouldn't allow such things, but when it was set up there really wasn't any political parties. Now the democrats have such a majority in House and Senate Obama can pass pretty much whatever he wants. I wasn't a fan of either Obama or McCain but I would rather have McCain. I am not against Obama for his color, age, religion, but for his views. His ways of "fixing" America are very socialistic. Communism in theory sounds like a great thing, but look at history it doesn't work out. There will always be the poor and there will always be the rich. We will see how this plays out but one thing for sure is the pointing of fingers will continue. The one thing I am sure of is that the presidents are always given too much credit and too much blame.

God Bless America!

[FrogInABlender]

...I'll match your siggy quote with one from Benjamin Franklin, though:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

Good one! And quite true! :)

[Arrow]

Good one! And quite true! :)

It's all about balance and proportion, isn't it?:)

[vicklynn]

OH my, are we still talking about this..gesh.
I turned on my worship music this morning, after I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and remembered this. We are to follow are government, weather we like it or not. I didnt vote for him, and I needed time to get me right with Him, so I can pray for the USA proper like.
The title of this thread should be, Obama IS the President, and you cant change that.
This coming from a Republican, but more so a Christian.
Time to move on and pray about it.
((HUGS))to you ALL!!

[FrogInABlender]

..."They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."

Speaking of giving up liberty to obtain safety, I think The Patriot Act falls into that category. But that's a debate best left for another thread...;)

[FrogInABlender]

...time to move on and pray about it....

amen!!!

[Sundays Man]

I will stand behind it too, Equine_Woman...especially since he got his "super glued hiney all loosened up!!!!! :hysterical:

Sorry, sweetheart, I just couldn't resist!!!;)

Bless your heart Darling.:)

[pandorasmom]

Agreed with Vicky!

I for one am ending here. I see no need to keep on with it. What's done is done and I can't change that. I'm not going to stand back and do nothing, but continually argueing (debating, or whatever you want to call it) ain't gettin' us no wheres.

All I will say is, I pray for this Country. I know it is God's will that this happened, and that there is a God in Heaven. I will just have to wait and see what his divine plan for this is. He has a purpose for it, and I shall have to wait patiently. Patience is a virtue.

[Sundays Man]

OH my, are we still talking about this..gesh.
I turned on my worship music this morning, after I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and remembered this. We are to follow are government, weather we like it or not. I didnt vote for him, and I needed time to get me right with Him, so I can pray for the USA proper like.
The title of this thread should be, Obama IS the President, and you cant change that.
This coming from a Republican, but more so a Christian.
Time to move on and pray about it.
((HUGS))to you ALL!!

You go girl!!! Right back atcha sister ((HUGS))

[Equine_Woman]

Bless your heart Darling.:)

Teeehee hee, that cracked me up like nothing has today.

[Sundays Man]

Agreed with Vicky!

I for one am ending here. I see no need to keep on with it. What's done is done and I can't change that. I'm not going to stand back and do nothing, but continually argueing (debating, or whatever you want to call it) ain't gettin' us no wheres.

All I will say is, I pray for this Country. I know it is God's will that this happened, and that there is a God in Heaven. I will just have to wait and see what his divine plan for this is. He has a purpose for it, and I shall have to wait patiently. Patience is a virtue.

AMEN PM. I am outa here. Thank God for America, Thank God for all of you and Thank God for President Obama. There are no surprises to our God and the entire life of this great nation was written down before the beginning of time. Obama was part of that plan and I'm glad to be able to witness it. Good night all!!!!

[JackieB]

Now the democrats have such a majority in House and Senate Obama can pass pretty much whatever he wants.

That's not true, Grunge. Democrats didn't get that filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate. They will still need to appeal to Republicans, at least somewhat, to get legislation passed, which is a good thing.

[pandorasmom]

AMEN PM. I am outa here. Thank God for America, Thank God for all of you and Thank God for President Obama. There are no surprises to our God and the entire life of this great nation was written down before the beginning of time. Obama was part of that plan and I'm glad to be able to witness it. Good night all!!!!


I'll ditto that too SM!! Well said. :)

[Arrow]

I didn't want them to get to 60 in the Senate. I didn't think that would be a good thing. Anyway--call THAT a FILIBUSTER? Don't think so--a real filibuster is a whole different animal than whatever it is they call a filibuster now--totally, totally bogus.

Senate rule 22--that's it, totally abused these days, it's gotta go. If you want to filibuster, do a real one.

[Buckpoco]

I think our taxes will be so high we'll have to eat our horses. I'll bet the terrorists had a good laugh last night.

[GrungeEquestrian]

That's not true, Grunge. Democrats didn't get that filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate. They will still need to appeal to Republicans, at least somewhat, to get legislation passed, which is a good thing.

Sorry JackieB my bad, but they still have the House. The one good thing is something will get done...maybe it won't be the best for some people, but there will actually be a majority vote. That is the one thing I hate about parties...it seems these days they are one extreme or the other and nothing can get done. Well we will have to see what the future holds.

[Flair]

I think the biggest problem with America, is it has strayed to far from God. This country was founded on Biblical principles, and was based around God. Does anyone remember that this country is "One Nation Under God"? Many years have passed and this Country has forgotten God. After 9/11 it seemed people woke up for a little while, because they needed God. They felt they needed to pray, and they needed help. It was convinent for them. We shouldn't go to God when it's convinent for us, and because we need him. We should go to him all the time. Our Country should be based off him now, 20 yrs ago, 20 yrs. forward,etc. It should be like they intended for it to be when this Country was started.

Treaty of Tripoli says no.

[Toodlestoo]

Well, I'm going to bed but I just want to end with the thought that whatever side you're on, is this a great country or what that we can all have such different views and debate them without any worries about being censored or punished. Barak Obama's our President now and I wish him all the success he can muster. I'll being praying for him that he makes thoughtful, even-handed choices that advance this great country of ours.

[zoel_222]

My goodness what a long thread this has become....

[rocknK]

Even longer than the sportsbra thread!;)

[Flair]

I actually missed that one.

Took me forever to catch up to this one.

Must be that little thing called work, and living on the West Coast.

[luvs2ride1979]

Diesel went up $.16 today here.

I just wanted to point out that gas prices ALWAYS go DOWN before an election and they ALWAYS go UP after an election! Obama isn't even in office yet. You can't blame things on him for another 77 days... :cool:

[luvs2ride1979]

I think our taxes will be so high we'll have to eat our horses. I'll bet the terrorists had a good laugh last night.

Do you make over $200,000 a year?

[Hobo]

LOL lovely to post that while ignoring the fact that his ILLEGAL Alien Aunt made an Illegal campaign donation and is living in PUBLIC HOUSING in Boston. How in the world can a woman with a deportation order qualify for public housing for 4 years????



Got that right, just like this............

[Vibe]

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/Ivy_Vynes/obama_superman_awesome.jpg

[Horseless]

well all you Obama lovers can stick your head in the sand and 4 years from now pull it out look around and say what the #!@% happen to America. :(

[Flair]

well all you Obama lovers can stick your head in the sand and 4 years from now pull it out look around and say what the #!@% happen to America. :(

You know, that's kind of funny. I've already been saying that for the last eight years.

Now, I've got a new motto: Yes We Can!!

[Vibe]

well said Flair..

[rocknK]

Flair, How many more terrorist attacks in the USA have we had since 9/11???? What do you think Al Gore's response might have been? I shudder to think. Strong possibility we might look back at the last 8 years as the good old days.

[Flair]

Thanks LoveXMyMustang. :D

I'm excited. I told Mitch the good news when I saw him this afternoon. Told him change was coming to America.

[Vibe]

:D Hehe aww, I tryed telling Dolly.. I don't think she was to interested in the topic.. As long as she gets her dinner..

[Flair]

Flair, How many more terrorist attacks in the USA have we had since 9/11???? What do you think Al Gore's response might have been. I shudder to think. Strong possibility we might look back at the last 8 years as the good old days.

What might Al Gore's response have been? Frankly, I think he would have carried through with the process that was being worked out in the final days of the Clinton administration to get Bin Laden.

How did Operation Ignore, enacted by Bush's administration turn out?

[rocknK]

Change is good when talking about underwear & socks. Hope is good when talking about winning the lottery. But hope & change doesn't sound like a real good plan for running a Government. Sounds more like a receipe for disaster. Only time will tell.
Clinton had many oppurtunities to capture Bin Laden, he was just too busy chasing interns to concern himself with a little thing like International Terrorism. The Final Days of the Clinton Administration were spent pardoning all his buddies & stealing everthing that wasn't nailed down in the White House.

[Flair]

Change is good when talking about underwear & socks. Hope is good when talking about winning the lottery. But hope & change doesn't sound like a real good plan for running a Government. Sounds more like a receipe for disaster. Only time will tell.

Frankly, I disagree. Sure, I change my socks and underwear when they get dirty, I hope I win the lottery (not really, that's more money than I'd see myself needing anyway) but I'll be damned if anyone would tell me that I should just accept the status quo and keep the government the same because that's the way it's always been. Isn't that why people vote? To exercise their rights to be heard and hope for change?

[Vibe]

..And I'll say it again. WELL SAID FLAIR!!
we need change! good or bad, it will get us going and out of this economic rut we are stuck in!

[rocknK]

Where exactly did you study Economics!!! Did you see what the stock market did today??? Change for change sake has got to be the most moronic thing I've ever heard of, good night!

[Vibe]

Ok ok don't get your undies all in a knot gosh!! The main thing is Obama won.. He is the president and there is nothing you, I, or anyone else can do about it!! So deal with it..(Hmm.. Well I guess I can do something about it.. Celebrate!!)

[Flair]

And what pray tell does your interest in my study of economics have anything to do with this? I got High Honors on the CalState Exams in Economics, you know. Plus, I even won the class contest where I had the most money (just did my homework every night to win my 'wage' and due to a pre-existing condition, I had the desk front and center of the teacher -- cheapest 'real estate' in the room.)

I don't particularly follow the stocks. I don't have 401K, I don't invest because I don't have the money to do so. I did hear that there was a pretty good spike yesterday, up 400 points and today's sell off dropped it down 200. But hey, your man Bush is still in the House, Obama hasn't even been President-Elect more than 24 hours. Nothing of his doing. You have to look at the 5-day for a better prediction.

rocknK, you don't even know me, and to say that wanting change for the sake of change as being moronic is pots and kettles as far as I'm concerned. Change is good! Without it, we'd all be insular and close-minded. I get to vote because of change, and I want to see change which is why I voted the way I did. It's my right just as it's your right to vote the way you did. We might not see eye to eye, but we've got our rights, and I don't see it as being moronic. I see wanting change for the sake of change as good. I like Obama's policies -- maybe not all of them as I could disagree on his stance with gay marriage, but hey, I think we need change, and that's why I got out my vote.

Good night! Sleep well! ;)

[luvs2ride1979]

If things didn't change, us women would still be barefoot, pregnant, and stupid. We'd still have slaves. Children would still be working in factories at the age of 8-9 years old. We wouldn't have the FDA, the EPA, or any of the other gov't departments that keep industry honest and protect the public's welfare (I know, most of them don't do an excellent job, but it's better than nothing!).

The only thing that's guaranteed in life is change. If a nation/people/culture stagnates, it will eventually collapse. History has shown us that. If we don't grow and evolve, we are doomed to fail. Look at the Iraq war! It's a total failure for US. Had we just taken a moment and looked back at Vietnam, Korea, and other "minor" foreign conflicts that we have engaged in before, we could have done much smarter and more successfully.

[rocknK]

Flair, for somebody that was so good a Economics how come you don't have two nickels to rub together?? I guess its a good thing you don't have much, because by the time we're all through "changing" you'll have even less.

[rocknK]

1979, how you call Iraq a failure?? Whole bunch of folks over there no longer living under a despot. How about the Hussien boys no longer breathing?? Too many people want to cut & run before the job is done. Thats what got five million people killed when the US Govt bowed to public opinion and hauled @ss outa Viet Nam. Could be worse if we do the same thing in Iraq. Do you want those souls on your conscience???

[Flair]

Flair, for somebody that was so good a Economics how come you don't have two nickels to rub together?? I guess its a good thing you don't have much, because by the time we're all through "changing" you'll have even less.

Hey now, I've got more than two nickles to rub together. I've got two quarters! Lookit the shinyz! :p

I'm not poor, mind, but I'm not rich either. I don't make $250,000 a year, would I like to? Maybe. I'm still in college, getting my degree. I spent the last 2 years in national service (Americorps to be exact, teaching literacy in a low-income school) and they don't really give you a lot by way of a living stipend. But it was a really good experience for me because it helped me decide what I want to be in life. And that's a teacher. And right now, I'm working in the non-profit sector, it doesn't pay a lot, but I think I'm making a big difference in people's lives and helping them.

I respectfully disagree with you. I might not have much now, but I won't be losing much when change comes to Washington. I'll even be gaining, because in my opinion, Obama does care about the middle and lower classes. Wanna know how many times McCain has talked about the middle class in the debates. Zip. Zilch, nada. He even thinks people making $5,000,0000 is middle class. Thanks, but no.

I do believe that Obama is more of a centrist than certain people think he is. He will have to work with the Republicans to make the changes he wants to make, which means he won't go all wild and crazy socially liberal. But he will make things better for people like me, and like most of us.

[sofi98]

The $5 million as middle class was a joke...he was trying to be funny. Evidently he failed, because this has been perpetuated in several liberal outlets since then.

[JackieB]

I do believe that Obama is more of a centrist than certain people think he is. He will have to work with the Republicans to make the changes he wants to make, which means he won't go all wild and crazy socially liberal.

I think you'll be shown to be correct about this, flair. I have followed Obama very closely during his campaign and looked some at his previous voting record, and I don't see where he has a propensity to want to simply hand over money to people who are unwilling to work for it. That's the most common argument that I think I hear on this forum against Obama - that he wants to hand money over to people who don't want to earn it.

[rocknK]

Wasn't that what he meant by "spreading the wealth around"???????

[JackieB]

I spent the last 2 years in national service (Americorps to be exact, teaching literacy in a low-income school) and they don't really give you a lot by way of a living stipend.

Bless you for helping others, Flair.

[Flair]

Bless you for helping others, Flair.

Thanks, JackieB. It was a monumental experience for me, working with kids and helping them learn to read, it changed my life and helped me find my life's calling. Now I just gotta finish up college to get my teacher's credential.

Right now, I'm working with a non-profit that provides a day program for developmentally disabled adults. It doesn't pay a whole lot, but I'm able to balance my budget and pay for my horse's board and have money left over for saving. I feel that I'm truly making a difference in peoples' lives and it's worth a lot to know that I've made them smile.

And I volunteer every Sunday afternoon at our local aquarium as a docent. It's a great teaching experience.

[WashingtonBay]

That's the most common argument that I think I hear on this forum against Obama - that he wants to hand money over to people who don't want to earn it.

Well, not packaged that way! Of course not! In the grant they'll be called "hard to serve" or "chronic" with "barriers". And those seeking the money will make a good case. They always do, that's their whole career.

That's where that executive experience comes in, the ability to choose 'which' of the ten good causes on your desk you can take money from the people to pay for, and which you won't, not this time, because that money is important and needed by the tax payers too.

Even Republicans are not real good at this, because they're not heartless, and the list of good causes is endless.

It's bit by little bit. Always with good intentions.

[JackieB]

It's bit by little bit. Always with good intentions.

This makes sense to me. I do know how this works. It does seem like whenever there is a pie to be dipped into that everyone is lined up at the door to get their piece of it.

[JackieB]

Hey, I just read that Obama is considering some high-level Republicans for his administration. Specifically Chuck Hagel and Dick Lugar. I think that would be great if he did. If someone is going to reach across the aisle, there is no better way than by providing meaningful positions to some on the other side of that aisle.

[rums_mom]

I really like Chuck Hagl! That would be wonderful.............

[EnglishGuy]

I think Obama needs Chuck Norris as secretary of defense.

Nobody messes with Chuck.

[NJrider]

Bwhahahaah! That's great!

[rums_mom]

This just in!
North Carolina has gone for Obama! Took them 2 days but it is final. First time since 1976 that North Carolina has gone for a Democrat in a Presidential election.

Another reason to celebrate!:clap::cheers::D

[luvs2ride1979]

1979, how you call Iraq a failure?? Whole bunch of folks over there no longer living under a despot. How about the Hussien boys no longer breathing?? Too many people want to cut & run before the job is done. Thats what got five million people killed when the US Govt bowed to public opinion and hauled @ss outa Viet Nam. Could be worse if we do the same thing in Iraq. Do you want those souls on your conscience???

It's been how long and areas are still without power or running water. Thugs still roam the streets killing people. Our sons and daughters are killed on a daily basis. Their government is no closer to running things that it was the WE created it. How is any of that a "victory"?

Sure, we killed Saddam and drove his party out of office & the military, woop-dee-doo. Now look at the place! It's arguably not much better off. Innocent people are still killed daily, we're just adding our own to the total. The endtire world thinks we've failed! Even our closest ali the UK is distancing themselves from us and this conflict.

Don't believe all the Fox News propoganda...

[Remali]

I just heard that today too rums mom......this is a great day!! :clap:

[rums_mom]

The one hold out is Missouri.......must be really close!

Have you heard anything about the Franken race in MN? I am waiting on that one, I would move to MN just to have Al Franken as a senator.....well maybe not........not even that would be worth all that winter weather. I am very happy where I am, thank you very much. And since we have our very own Dem Sen. Kay Hagan, it will much better around here. Elizabeth Dole was MIA the entire time she was Senator, did absolutely nothing for this state.

[lovesfortune]

Last I read the vote in MN between Franken & Coleman was Coleman ahead by 477. It's automatic recount though, so we won't find out for a while on that one. That's so close though!!

[JackieB]

This just in!
North Carolina has gone for Obama! Took them 2 days but it is final. First time since 1976 that North Carolina has gone for a Democrat in a Presidential election.

Another reason to celebrate!:clap::cheers::D

That's pretty amazing. Congratulations. I know that means a lot to you.

[rocknK]

1979, in war stuff gets broke & folks killed. If we cut & run thoses lives will have been lost in vain. Try talking to a few folks who've been there, I have. They tell me we're doing great things & helping folks.

[WashingtonBay]

Don't believe all the Fox News propoganda...

And what gloom and doom propaganda should we accuse you of being sucked in by?

The negative media machine regarding Iraq (which actually includes Fox as often as anyone else) has done it's job of sucking the morale out of the American people, bit by little bit.

How about this, now that the naysayers have done their job of getting Obama elected. Now that Bush and his goals are unfortunately running out of time and it's about to be put on Obama's shoulders, how about we stop trying to defeat us from within?

I support this country in its endeavors, not just when it's easy, but when it's hard. If we do it, I want to win it. I want to be proud of our mission, our troops, the risk takers who have to make really tough calls every day and I acknowledge that for every plan we have in Iraq, there is someone on the other side fighting against us. We will win some, but we will lose some, and those of us who are not involved, whose daily decisions have much less impact than those who are, may not always understand or have a role to play in helping to share the load, we may not have voted for the CinC, but we should at least not drag our feet and try to wear us down.

If Obama can end the war in Iraq with honor worthy of its cost I promise to give him my 100% support in seeing that through with the respect and patience it deserves. Not for his sake. I don't really care about him yet, but for the sake of every single one of our troops that is there with his ass on the line, today, just wanting to do right for their country. And for those who were lost, so that they are not lost in shame and second-guessing.

And because I am absolutely sick and tired of the ADHD media and it's equally short-sighted audience rotting our spirit with a slow drip of cynicism and negativity and I refuse to take part in it.

I'm on our side. America's side. And I'm really tired of those who are not. I question their motives... they hate a man, our president, and for that they would work to defeat our country. How selfish and stupid. The enemy you give hope and strength to is playing for keeps.

OK - Here's your new day dawning. Whether we like it or not we have a new president, and we're in Iraq, and much in the region depends on how that effort goes. Are we going to help OUR interests, or drag them down?

[rocknK]

WB, glad you got that off your chest, you could hurt yourself holding all that inside!

[WashingtonBay]

That's what makes my gut ache when I watch the news!

[JackieB]

WB, glad you got that off your chest, you could hurt yourself holding all that inside!

That's for sure. Glad you spoke up there, WB.

I did hear that Secretary Gates may have a role in Obama's Administration. That would be a good thing, I think.

[Horseless]

Obama is the AntiChrist!! :eek:

His name first middle and last put together = 18 divided by three first middle and last name
equal 666:eek:

Hussein Barack Obama

[missdixie]

ROFL you dork! Someone I know actually wondered if he was because he seems like he is going to fix all our problems and he's handsome and charismatic.... she actually emailed her church to ask! Fortunately they said no.... :p

[Flair]

Obama is the AntiChrist!! :eek:

His name first middle and last put together = 18 divided by three first middle and last name
equal 666:eek:

Hussein Barack Obama


I heard the winning Illinois lottery ticket from yesterday had 666 in it.

However, in all due respect, you misnamed the President-Elect. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. You got your stuff mixed up ;)

[Equine_Woman]

That's for sure. Glad you spoke up there, WB.

I did hear that Secretary Gates may have a role in Obama's Administration. That would be a good thing, I think.

I'm a big fan of his. He was the president of my college when I graduated. So I shook his hand in one of my proudest moments.

[shynbvs]

Woohoo!

[rocknK]

Methinks Horseless has been reading too many supermarket tabloids!!!!! Either that or his tin-foil hat is just a little too tight!!!!:p

[Horseless]

I heard the winning Illinois lottery ticket from yesterday had 666 in it.

However, in all due respect, you misnamed the President-Elect. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. You got your stuff mixed up ;)


it doesnt matter in what order you put his freaking name, it still add's up to 18 numbers, divided by three, first, middle,last name and that comes to
666

He's the Freaking ANTICHRIST!!!!! :eek:

[rocknK]

RocknK pulls his tin-foil hat down just a little lower.......where's the smilie with the tin-foil hat?????

[Horseless]

Run for the hills Obama's comming!!!!


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[rocknK]

Where's the spooky Twilight Zone music??????

[Horseless]

In your Mind, use the force Luke!! :cool:

[Pinky]

it doesnt matter in what order you put his freaking name, it still add's up to 18 numbers, divided by three, first, middle,last name and that comes to
666

He's the Freaking ANTICHRIST!!!!! :eek:

With all due respect Horseless - that passage of the Bible was mistranslated :). The so called 'number of the beast' is actually 616 :D.

[WashingtonBay]

Interesting Pinky...

But since you brought up Horseless and his posts again, and the concept of due respect, I would like to say for the record that I would appreciate, Horseless, if you would restrict your Enfant Provocateur (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm) trolling to the General Discussion forum and try to keep this section fairly constructive.

That's not to say we can't joke and have fun... but I think there's a distinction that can be made here.

[rums_mom]

Thank you very much WB.

[FrogInABlender]

RocknK pulls his tin-foil hat down just a little lower.......where's the smilie with the tin-foil hat?????


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Here ya go Rock, take your choice!

[rocknK]

I knew they had to be out there someplace! RocknK adds extra layer of tin-foil to his hat from the burrito he had for lunch. ;)

[FrogInABlender]

I personally like this one...

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/tinfoilhatsmile.gif

Maybe WB will add him to our little list. Sometimes we need him pretty bad around here! ;)

[WashingtonBay]

It's not bad! I'll talk to the hubby :)

[rocknK]

Well we've already got smilies whacking other smilies with sticks & trout, why not a ray gun????:p

[Pinky]

I love Margaret Thatcher. I wish we had a few like her here in the states. I was privileged to hear her speak once, and there are far worse role models for both of us :D

You do seem like her. :D Unfortunaltely, much of the mining generation don't like her - I was always taught that she was one of the best PMs (Prime Minister) that we've had :). Personally though, Churchill is my favourite - I love the speeches he gave during WW2.

I actually had it suggested to me that I should go into politics during a school debate ;). I'd be a bit draconian though. (Benifit fraud = punishable by life imprisonment/possibly death :D).

[JackieB]

Personally though, Churchill is my favourite - I love the speeches he gave during WW2.


That sure is the truth! I love listening to his strong voice with the slight speech impediment. He was an amazing man.

The leadership he provided during the Battle of Britain and his famous speeches will endure as some of the greatest words ever uttered in time of great peril. I get chills when I listen to him in those old recordings.

[rocknK]

Just remember he was drunk most of the time!

[mtnmollie]

Oh whoopie!

Did I miss the party? :cowboy:

[rocknK]

Not you Mollie, Winston Churchill.

[Pinky]

Just remember he was drunk most of the time!
Then maybe the world leaders should start drinking more! :innocent:
He saw Britain through dark times when the threat was material and there; on our doorstep. These days....well..:rolleyes:

[rocknK]

Amen. My favorite quote. "Sir, you are drunk" "Madame you are ugly. In the morning I'll be sober". Maybe that was George W's problem. He took the pledge.:p

[mtnmollie]

Don' t all leaders drink?
Rule number 5 - When you get rich people together you got to have booze.


Churchhill is one of my hero's too Pinky. :cowboy:

[Pinky]

Amen. My favorite quote. "Sir, you are drunk" "Madame you are ugly. In the morning I'll be sober". Maybe that was George W's problem. He took the pledge.:p

:D ROFL. ^^. You had me laughing with that one ;).

This is my favourite Churchill speech (Taken from 'Fight Them On The Beaches') -
"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight them on the beaches
we shall fight them on the landing grounds,
we shall fight them in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

Don' t all leaders drink?
Rule number 5 - When you get rich people together you got to have booze.


Churchhill is one of my hero's too Pinky. :cowboy:

The only difference is that they don't admit to drinking ;). We need a leader like Churchill again, really.


--------------------------------

Something I had in an email once...

It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts.
H ere are the facts about the three candidates. Who would you vote for?


Candidate A.
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist
He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.


Candidate B.
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon , used opium in
college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.


Candidate C.
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an
occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Which of these candidates would be our choice?


Decide first... no peeking, then scroll down for the response.















































Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler.

[mtnmollie]

That sure is the truth! I love listening to his strong voice with the slight speech impediment. He was an amazing man.

The leadership he provided during the Battle of Britain and his famous speeches will endure as some of the greatest words ever uttered in time of great peril. I get chills when I listen to him in those old recordings.

I love " This is our finest hour! " as they face the dragon-
I should charge my dragon with the same boldness and confidence.

Perhaps this is where the whiskey come in...
just kidding. :cowboy:

[rocknK]

I likes my whisky, but I think Mrs rocknK might take exception to a qt a day!

[Pinky]

I realise this has nothing to do with the thread (well...the first 10 pages anyway ;)) so forgive me but this is a new advert (advertising bread, no less!) showing all of the major events in British history.

YouTube - New Hovis Advert In Full HD Stereo - Sept 2008

I love it :D. There's part of Churchills speech in there too ;). (Turn your speakers on!)

[starkitten]

Pinky - That is a really neat commercial. Very creative :)

[rums_mom]

Winston Churchill.....no doubt a force to be reckoned with.......not only a boozer but a womanizer as well. And in his early days even partook of hashish........

HMMM......he will go down in history regardless of these characteristics.....very different than what the Americans would have thought of him if he was their leader during those times. But that is the difference from our Puritanical American ideals and that of European ones.

I am very glad that our members across the pond are checking in and giving us their view on things. I appreciate their opinions as we have all found out recently with the international financial crisis, we are indeed connected. In many ways that I will never understand, and personaly don't really want to, but I am interested, still.........

[Horseless]

Interesting Pinky...

But since you brought up Horseless and his posts again, and the concept of due respect, I would like to say for the record that I would appreciate, Horseless, if you would restrict your Enfant Provocateur (http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm) trolling to the General Discussion forum and try to keep this section fairly constructive.

That's not to say we can't joke and have fun... but I think there's a distinction that can be made here.

hummm well actually WB I wasnt joking.
you add the total num. of digits in all three of his names and they do add up to 18, and when you divide them by three, his first middle and last name it does come out to be 666,
How many other presidents can you do that with their name.???:eek:

[Annasmom]

my whole family was pretty infurated.
I hate when people make it about race
its not about his skin color its about who can successfully run our country and in my opnion not him.