Obama Wins!

[laredo454]

At 11 they announced Obama is our new president. Its been one heck of a presidential race. Relieved its over, but a iffy about the future. I'm curious =]

[Kaitlyn]

I'm sick to my stomach. :-/

[Arrow]

I'm filled with hope and joy.

[FoxFireEMT]

I'm sick to my stomach. :-/

Me too, but I have always been an optimstic (sp).

Congrats to Obama our very first black president.

Cheers to our future :cheers:~ I hope & pray its the "change" that everyone wanted!

[Cat]

I'm with you Arrow - I'm also filled with hope and joy. The last 8 years have made me sick to my stomach and our recent country's situation was anything but hopeful. But now, there is a true chance at change.

[livaward]

I would have been fine with neither of them winning.................

[AUEquine]

Aight... I'm moving to Canada... anyone up there want a roomate for the next 4 years!

I'm seriously very scared as to what the future holds!

[livaward]

AU we can share fuel cost on our way! LOL.....

[PaintedHearts]

Wait for me!!!!!!

[AUEquine]

Aight, I'm hitching up the trailer... I only got room for one more horse though!

*starts singing*
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command

[PaintedHearts]

Only room for one!!! Well then I guess I'll take my own trailer. I have room for one. Anyone? Anyone?

[Cat]

You know - if all the republicans move, then dems winning the following years will just be easier due to less republican votes. It will just make future elections easier. :p

But honestly - I had a snake-pit in my stomach feeling both time that Bush won, but didn't threaten to move, and he has ran this country into the ground. Do we really need the theatrics?

[AUEquine]

Do we really need the theatrics?

Are we not allowed to be humerous?

[Kaitlyn]

I'm with you AU!!! I've got 1 other guest coming too!

[Kaitlyn]

Oh, and another thing that is peeving me. He's not black. He's only black when it's to his advantage. What's the percentage? 12% black I believe? The rest is arab and white. Right?

[Horseless]

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[livaward]

I think neither know how to run this country.........

[Arrow]

His father is a black African, and his mother is white. He is not an Arab.

[Horseless]

He's Muslim

[Equine_Woman]

Nice patriotism here. I wouldn't threaten to leave the country had McCain won. This place is the best Country in the world and I wouldn't live anywhere else.

[Kaitlyn]

Alright, I stand corrected. I just don't get it.. He's not all black, so he's not really the first black president. Although this election is historic, he's not all black and I still find it sickening. And that he's muslim but he's not arab really does confuse me. But I'm gonna let it go, because I shouldn't care that much.

EW: I think some other people may feel the same, that patriotism has been lost considering Obama doesn't scream love for this country. Although it may sound childish and been proven and such I still doubt his love for this country. I think the war hero screams patriotism and all American. Call me old fashioned.

[Arrow]

He's not Muslim. He's a Christian.

[Horseless]

He's not Muslim. He's a Christian.

Really then why dont he change is Freaking name, cause his name is 100% Muslim!!!

[Horseless]

Nice patriotism here. I wouldn't threaten to leave the country had McCain won. This place is the best Country in the world and I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Give Obama 4 yrs and he'll change that. :(

[Equine_Woman]

Sigh. I think choosing to serve the country as a Senator and even run for President screams patriotism to me. Obama graduated at the top of his class form Law School. He could be making millions working at some law firm but he wanted to serve the city he came from and from there moved to the state and now his country. I don't understand questioning the patriotism of our leaders. As well as their religious beliefs. How fearful we all are of people who are not like us. It's a big world out there. And it's not all bad.

[Kaitlyn]

Gotta say, I agree with Horseless. Wasn't his grandparents last name Dunam? Or something of that nature? They were the ones who raised him, why didn't he have the nerve to change his name for them?

[Arrow]

Sigh. I think choosing to serve the country as a Senator and even run for President screams patriotism to me. Obama graduated at the top of his class form Law School. He could be making millions working at some law firm but he wanted to serve the city he came from and from there moved to the state and now his country. I don't understand questioning the patriotism of our leaders. As well as their religious beliefs. How fearful we all are of people who are not like us. It's a big world out there. And it's not all bad.

It's time for us to retire from this thread so that we can keep our high--Obama should be giving his speech any time now!

[Equine_Woman]

Really then why dont he change is Freaking name, cause his name is 100% Muslim!!!

What does that have to do with a man? A NAME! How fearful and disappointing.

[Mandzanita]

WOW, is all I can say. We just witnessed quite the monumental event. Whether it was what you wanted or what you feared we should all pray for our new leader, he's got a job ahead of him. I'm somewhat fearful but am trying to stay optimistic. The candidate I voted for didn't win but I still respect the one that did and I think it's sad to see so much disrespect for our leaders whether it be about Bush or Obama. I'm glad the election is over.

[Arrow]

What does that have to do with a man? A NAME! How fearful and disappointing.

Give it up--they'll only bring you down--and here he comes!!!!!!!

[Horseless]

Sigh. I think choosing to serve the country as a Senator and even run for President screams patriotism to me. Obama graduated at the top of his class form Law School. He could be making millions working at some law firm but he wanted to serve the city he came from and from there moved to the state and now his country. I don't understand questioning the patriotism of our leaders. As well as their religious beliefs. How fearful we all are of people who are not like us. It's a big world out there. And it's not all bad.
Its called protecting America.
So lets just love everyone and invite everyone to America and we all live happily ever after.
Do you not understand that there's people out there that Hate America and Americans and that we are at war?? Yes you question people patriotism, do you want someone in the White house that Hates America???:eek:

[Country Girl 43]

Aight, I'm hitching up the trailer... I only got room for one more horse though!

*starts singing*
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command

I have 3 horses.....make room for me! :p :cowboy:

[livaward]

If you never seen either candidate knew their "beliefs" and only knew their plans for the country the country is ran on race and religion...............Who would you have voted for?


I voted today but not for president............that is who I think should run this country......neither

[alittleoffkey]

I wanted to add I don't not-like Obama for his name... or his color (whatever it is). I just completely disagree with what he stands for. :D

Congrats to Obama... hopefully Palin will run in four years!! :cowboy:

[luvs2ride1979]

It's 11pm here and I'm listening to his speech now. I am ELATED!!!

We are living history folks, it's absolutely amazing...

http://www.barbarasdomain.com/main/images/photoalbum/17/obama_lg.jpg

[ProvenPaint]

If the horses are small, I can fit 3 more.... ;) Not what I was hoping for, not at all.... Guess we'll see what happens & i'll bite my tongue there...nothing can be done now...

I liked the joke earlier about how at the cannibal restaurant the politians were expensive because "they're so covered it crap it takes forever to clean them!" Just thought McCain was the "cleaner" 1 of the 2...

[Horseless]

What does that have to do with a man? A NAME! How fearful and disappointing.

do you know anything about Muslims???
They pick their names for a Religious reason and his name is a Muslim name no matter what he says.

Look at the names of all the muslim terroist, just like Barack Obama.

[Hobo]

I don't like it at all, but I'm not leaveing, I'm just going to:


BUY MORE AMMO!!!!!:p:p

[alittleoffkey]

Hobo - We're stocked... :D

[livaward]

Prices went up........we stocked up a week ago

[Hobo]

We were stocked up also, but it never hurts to:

BUY MORE AMMO!

[livaward]

My husband is a police officer............do you know how much we spend on ammo?

Buy in BULK!

[luvs2ride1979]

McCain is a co-sponsor for the anti-slaughter legislation too, if that's what anyone was referring too.

I predict a positive shift in the economy and the stock market, just with these election results, before Obama even gets into office officially. People WANT change, we NEED change, and McCain was not going to give it to us. If we stayed on the same path, or even on a similar path, we were headed STRAIGHT for a recession, no matter how many bailouts the government approves.

The economy has created this depressed horse market. Ending slaughter just kicked us on the way down. With a new president and a Democratic Congress we will FINALLY see improvement in our BS of a system and our nation as a whole. Remember Bill? Remember how good our economy was then? He was fighting a Republican Congress then and STILL got things done! The whole thing started a slow, but steady downhill slide as SOON as Bush stepped into office... If you can't see that, you're eyes aren't open, lol.

[twofingers]

Illia jacta est

[Kaitlyn]

I believe we needed change, but I doubt where Obama has us headed. I lost faith in Bush as it seemed he wasn't doing anything. I don't approve of the bailout.

The rich man dances, the poor man pays the price.

Oh well, nothing we can do now. I hope this change is all you had hoped for.

I'm with ya ALOK. Palin for 2012!

[WashingtonBoy]

There's a big gun show nearby this weekend. We're going to stock up.

[Country Girl 43]

I need to stock up on my ammo....better hurry though before it all gets banned..:p Going shopping tomorrow!!

[cowgirlup@idaho]

Well I'm not happy about the election. I've been listening to the news commentaries saying how charismatic, how well liked Obama is. Well if you look back at history, so was Hitler, everyone loved him in Germany, he was for the average guy, bread in everyone's home, jobs, money, yay!
We all know how that turned out. Careful what you wish for.

[cloedoll]

Eh, some posts remind me of the horrible times I had in middle school. Stupid rumors fly around and accusations and false statements are made about a person because they are different or new...when really, you don't know the truth about the person because you don't actually know them, you're just going by what somewhat else felt like saying because they can. None of us know Obama in person, none of us know McCain in person, so why continue telling things that you don't know for certain? Lets try to be positive and give Obama a fair chance...has he ruined the country yet? No. So why think that? Luckily he's a tolerant person (not any 'ole fool can run for president) and won't feed into the nasty things American citizens are saying about him and just ruin the country, I mean, some aren't expecting him to do any good, so why bother trying? Who cares, right?! Let me just ruin the country because nobody expects anymore of me than that. I just don't see why we can't give him a fair chance, he's our president and hasn't even had a shot at running this country and people are expecting failure...I don't think that's how we got to were we are today.

[All4Grace]

I am very VERY happy with the results.

I'll wave to all of you as you drive to Canada! :P
(I jest I jest) ;)

[luvs2ride1979]

Illia jacta est

Do you mean, iacta alea est or Alea iacta est?

In case anyone was wondering, it's Latin and today means that we have passed a point of no return.

It was originally thought to have been said by Julius Caesar in 49 bc when we began the long civil war against Pompey, in defiance of the Roman Senate.

(yes, I am a nerd, lol. I am a history minor and have a love of Ancient Greek and Rome! I am actually half Greek, on my mom's side :D.)

[luvs2ride1979]

Well I'm not happy about the election. I've been listening to the news commentaries saying how charismatic, how well liked Obama is. Well if you look back at history, so was Hitler, everyone loved him in Germany, he was for the average guy, bread in everyone's home, jobs, money, yay!
We all know how that turned out. Careful what you wish for.

Oh come now. We're not in as bad of shape as Germany was at that time, nor are we as ignorant as those poor Germans were. Plus our government is set up to not allow that sort of thing to happen.

Don't be overly dramatic :cool:.

[luvs2ride1979]

Eh, some posts remind me of the horrible times I had in middle school. Stupid rumors fly around and accusations and false statements are made about a person because they are different or new...when really, you don't know the truth about the person because you don't actually know them, you're just going by what somewhat else felt like saying because they can. None of us know Obama in person, none of us know McCain in person, so why continue telling things that you don't know for certain? Lets try to be positive and give Obama a fair chance...has he ruined the country yet? No. So why think that? Luckily he's a tolerant person (not any 'ole fool can run for president) and won't feed into the nasty things American citizens are saying about him and just ruin the country, I mean, some aren't expecting him to do any good, so why bother trying? Who cares, right?! Let me just ruin the country because nobody expects anymore of me than that. I just don't see why we can't give him a fair chance, he's our president and hasn't even had a shot at running this country and people are expecting failure...I don't think that's how we got to were we are today.

Very well said Cloe. The American people have chosen this man to run our country. There's nothing to do about it now. Let's all just relax and get back to living our lives. Hopefully things will make a turn for the better now ;).

[JackieB]

Eh, some posts remind me of the horrible times I had in middle school. Stupid rumors fly around and accusations and false statements are made about a person because they are different or new...when really, you don't know the truth about the person because you don't actually know them, you're just going by what somewhat else felt like saying because they can. None of us know Obama in person, none of us know McCain in person, so why continue telling things that you don't know for certain? Lets try to be positive and give Obama a fair chance...has he ruined the country yet? No. So why think that? Luckily he's a tolerant person (not any 'ole fool can run for president) and won't feed into the nasty things American citizens are saying about him and just ruin the country, I mean, some aren't expecting him to do any good, so why bother trying? Who cares, right?! Let me just ruin the country because nobody expects anymore of me than that. I just don't see why we can't give him a fair chance, he's our president and hasn't even had a shot at running this country and people are expecting failure...I don't think that's how we got to were we are today.

Very wise, Cloe. I can't imagine proclaiming that we are basically doomed as a country because a particular president is elected.

[Flair]

WHOO!

So glad!

If I could actually handle alcohol, I'd break out the bubbly!

[cloedoll]

Also, wanted to say, 12% black, 15% purple, 30% gold - who really cares? He's American. That's what should matter, right? Saying he isn't a black president, where does that get anyone? Who cares what his religion, culture, or race is, what should matter is how he runs America...he's the American president.

[WashingtonBay]

Oh give people their theatrics. This was obviously the theatrics thread.

I decided early to say little (for once) so I would have less to regret in the morning. Others here chose a different path.;)

One of them, a friend of mine from a different forum, put together this fabulous plan: And now some time for out-of-the-box thinking:

I would advise President Bush to plan for a nice Christmas party in the White House, and then resign on December 26. This would make Dick Cheney the President, and cause a large number of debilitating and fatal strokes in liberals.

President Cheney should then roll out tons of presidential pardons, including those people scheduled for show trials under the 0bama regime. Pardons for Bill and Hillary would be a nice bipartisan touch, and it wouldn't cost them a dime.

Then, at 3AM on January 20, President Cheney calls Nancy Pelosi, and tells her he has just resigned, and Ruth Vader Ginsburg is on her way over to swear her in as American's first woman president.

Her term in office will only last eight hours, but she would go down in the history books as America's first woman president. She could then officiate over swearing in of the first Manchurian president, and earn an asterisk by her name forever.

By then Cheney would be back home, and out hunting.

Now THAT would be good theater! :popcorn:

[cloedoll]

Haha, funny plan. =P

I would advise President Bush to plan for a nice Christmas party in the White House, and then resign on December 26.

MY BDAY! =D

[Arrow]

His speech was just amazing. I think if anyone can bring people together, really get Americans working together, it's Obama. He's just so presidential. Only time will tell, of course, what kind of president he will be, but he has the potential to be a great one. I think he'll stand head and shoulders above Clinton, and will be much better than Kerry or Gore could ever have hoped to be. The way he talked about what that 106 year old woman in Atlanta had seen, then asked what everyone wants their children born this decade to see if they reach that age was inspiring.

[TBgirl]

I'm completely disappointed :(

Words can't describe what I feel right now but I do want to puke....
I can't believe he got in the white house :(

[Arrow]

Eh, some posts remind me of the horrible times I had in middle school. Stupid rumors fly around and accusations and false statements are made about a person because they are different or new...when really, you don't know the truth about the person because you don't actually know them, you're just going by what somewhat else felt like saying because they can. None of us know Obama in person, none of us know McCain in person, so why continue telling things that you don't know for certain? Lets try to be positive and give Obama a fair chance...has he ruined the country yet? No. So why think that? Luckily he's a tolerant person (not any 'ole fool can run for president) and won't feed into the nasty things American citizens are saying about him and just ruin the country, I mean, some aren't expecting him to do any good, so why bother trying? Who cares, right?! Let me just ruin the country because nobody expects anymore of me than that. I just don't see why we can't give him a fair chance, he's our president and hasn't even had a shot at running this country and people are expecting failure...I don't think that's how we got to were we are today.

Thought I'd give you the hat trick in terms of being quoted. Well said.

[Gliderider]

I'm completely disappointed :(

Words can't describe what I feel right now but I do want to puke....
I can't believe he got in the white house :(

I feel the same way.


Hubby and son will be stocking up on ammo and guns before that right is taking away for us.

[Toodlestoo]

Well, I'm a die-hard Republican but for some reason, I'm kinda excited about Obama. Let's give him a chance. I'll pay more in taxes but maybe I'm too rigid in some respects and need to see a bigger picture. And when I see how the whole world is excited about him, it has to be good for world public relations. Having traveled to Europe a few times, they do not like Americans at all--maybe our image as a bully will change.

[NJrider]

Wow. I am stunned by some of the responses here. Actually I'm not, this is just what I expected. So maybe I need to modify "stunned" to "saddened". It's a real shame that people refuse to give someone a chance because they are different from them. And that they are willing to buy into the rumor mills and BS that's going on.

[vicklynn]

When I had my son, the rules were.

IF the father of the child is black, the child is black.
IF the father of the child is white, the child is white.

My son does not know he is black or white, he is Rich, his own person.

Another term for mixed black and white people is

Mulatto. It is a term used to describe a person with one white parent and one black parent, or a person whose ancestry is a mixture of black and white.[1] Perceived as pejorative and demeaning in some cultures,[2] its current usage varies greatly.

Todays terms are bi-racial, but due to color, some people follow that.

[vicklynn]

Wow. I am stunned by some of the responses here. Actually I'm not, this is just what I expected. So maybe I need to modify "stunned" to "saddened". It's a real shame that people refuse to give someone a chance because they are different from them. And that they are willing to buy into the rumor mills and BS that's going on.

The so called "rumors" that are going on, ie, him being a friend to a Terrorist, having a Pastor that says God Damn the USA, is not "rumor".

I dont look forward to more of 9/11

I will pray that he will not lead us in the wrong direction, and I will pray that he does not turn the USA over.

My fears are my fears. Let them be mine.

[Arrow]

The rumors folks are talking about are that HE is a terrorist, he isn't a patriot, he might not even be a U.S. citizen, he's a Muslim--those are the rumors, vicklynn, not the ones you cite above.

[moka]

Thank you Amerika.

You just sent a wave of hope through the whole world.

You guys should be proud, no matter who you voted for but just for the fact as of how many Americans voted in this election!

[vicklynn]

If the ones I sited dont worry you, wow, what can I say.

[Arrow]

They don't worry me.

[luvs2ride1979]

Wow. I am stunned by some of the responses here. Actually I'm not, this is just what I expected. So maybe I need to modify "stunned" to "saddened". It's a real shame that people refuse to give someone a chance because they are different from them. And that they are willing to buy into the rumor mills and BS that's going on.

Well said NJ.

[luvs2ride1979]

If the ones I sited dont worry you, wow, what can I say.

No, they don't. His "terrorist" friend is only an acquaintance and is as far from being the next Al Queada leader (or any kind of threat to the USA) as he is being the next Senate Majority Leader... If he was a threat, he would be in a holding cell in GITMO. Obama can't help who buys a house in his neighborhood, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to be a jerk to someone just because of their past, family ties, or religious affiliation.

As for the preacher talking out his a$$, well, preachers often do that, lol. I don't really care what he says about anyone or anything. Obama can't control what the man says or does.

[Arrow]

No, they don't. His "terrorist" friend is only an acquaintance and is as far from being the next Al Queada leader (or any kind of threat to the USA) as he is being the next Senate Majority Leader... If he was a threat, he would be in a holding cell in GITMO. Obama can't help who buys a house in his neighborhood, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to be a jerk to someone just because of their past, family ties, or religious affiliation.

As for the preacher talking out his a$$, well, preachers often do that, lol. I don't really care what he says about anyone or anything. Obama can't control what the man says or does.

Thanks, I didn't have the energy...

[WashingtonBay]

You can't be worn out yet, Arrow...

I've been answering unfair, unsubstantiated rumors and worse (some even from you I might add), for 8 years.

Buck up. Your work is just starting.:coffee:

[Arrow]

:D

Nah--Obama himself is going to convince those who can be convinced.

[Arrow]

I feel so good right now, you have no idea! I'm retiring for at least a week to just savor the feeling. Then maybe I'll come back and argue. I really, honestly, never in a million years believed that the United States would look past race and elect a highly qualified and competent black man. Maybe we can move beyond the divisions--now parents of all races in America can point to him and say "work hard and aim for that, kid!" I'm floating on air. He's going to be a leader, a real leader. You'll see!

[rums_mom]

Aight... I'm moving to Canada... anyone up there want a roomate for the next 4 years!

I'm seriously very scared as to what the future holds!

Hon, IKWYM.....I felt the same way in 2000 and 2004. We made it through the past eight years, barely......................no need to be scared. Do what I did, initially for Pres Bush. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Gave him a fair shake to prove to me he would do what he promised, I did end up taking it youknowwhere.............so keep him, his family and his cabinet in your prayers, they have a daunting job ahead of them.:grouphug:

[rums_mom]

The so called "rumors" that are going on, ie, him being a friend to a Terrorist, having a Pastor that says God Damn the USA, is not "rumor".

I dont look forward to more of 9/11

I will pray that he will not lead us in the wrong direction, and I will pray that he does not turn the USA over.

My fears are my fears. Let them be mine.

And what about Palin attending a church with a service being led by a "witch doctor", having "laying of hands" upon her? And denouncing "witches"?

Friend to a terrorist? Wow, you want to get into supporting terrorists? Look into th Bush family, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Carlyle Group's ties to terrorists. Then we'll talk.

[rums_mom]

You can't be worn out yet, Arrow...

I've been answering unfair, unsubstantiated rumors and worse (some even from you I might add), for 8 years.

Buck up. Your work is just starting.:coffee:

And that is nothing compared to what I have been going through for the past 8 years.:p

[livaward]

No, they don't. His "terrorist" friend is only an acquaintance and is as far from being the next Al Queada leader (or any kind of threat to the USA) as he is being the next Senate Majority Leader... If he was a threat, he would be in a holding cell in GITMO. Obama can't help who buys a house in his neighborhood, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to be a jerk to someone just because of their past, family ties, or religious affiliation.

As for the preacher talking out his a$$, well, preachers often do that, lol. I don't really care what he says about anyone or anything. Obama can't control what the man says or does.


But YOU CAN choose who you are affiliated with...........

[shagyaArab]

Hon, IKWYM.....I felt the same way in 2000 and 2004. We made it through the past eight years, barely......................no need to be scared. Do what I did, initially for Pres Bush. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Gave him a fair shake to prove to me he would do what he promised, I did end up taking it youknowwhere.............so keep him, his family and his cabinet in your prayers, they have a daunting job ahead of them.:grouphug:

yeah well no doubt Bush didn't steer us in the right direction but he wasn't a socialist, muslim, terrorist covering himself with lies to win the election.

do you know anything about Muslims???
They pick their names for a Religious reason and his name is a Muslim name no matter what he says.

Look at the names of all the muslim terrorist, just like Barack Obama.

exactly the next four years will the longest of my life :puke:

[WashingtonBay]

I'm really trying to be restrained and thoughtful, but my temper's fairly close to the surface and I've had little sleep.

Those of you who are celebrating, enjoy your honeymoon with this guy. Seriously. Be full of good cheer and hope and change and all that.

But I can't guarantee I'll take a whole lot of tongue flapping or poo flinging with grace and good humor, so just be warned. Don't test me, I may not be at my best today.

I'm just looking forward to it getting light so I can go clean up horsesh-t and think of brighter things. :)

[luvs2ride1979]

yeah well no doubt Bush didn't steer us in the right direction but he wasn't a socialist, muslim, terrorist covering himself with lies to win the election.

Neither is Obama. He is not far enough left to be a Socialist. He is not a Muslim. And he is most certainly NOT a terrorist. :rolleyes:

Just like McCain doesn't really have Alzheimers, isn't about to die from a brain tumor, and isn't a carbon copy of Bush (he did support Bush a lot, but his plan for the future was arguably different than the path Bush had us on).

There were lies and rumors on both sides of the isle. It's time to get past all of that nonsense and turn our focus on fixing this broken nation.

[mandisue]

Hide your guns!

[Miracle Whip]

What other options were there? a 72 year old man? I don't know much about Obama but I don't want an alzheimers prone man running the country either. I wanted someone from MY generation.

As someone said, McCain might not HAVE ALZHEIMERS now, but 72 is still way too old to run a country if you ask me. I don't care if McCain is in excellent health, the day to day decisions must be nervewracking and would surely take their toll after a while. Its not a job any of us wanted thats for sure!!!!!

I voted for the Green party. They had women on their ballot.

[rums_mom]

yeah well no doubt Bush didn't steer us in the right direction but he wasn't a socialist, muslim, terrorist covering himself with lies to win the election.



exactly the next four years will the longest of my life :puke:

Oh for crying out loud................do some research would you? Start with Snopes.com.

As for the quote from Horseless about knowing anything about Muslims and choosing significant names.............are you for real?
Don't Jews, Catholics and other religions do the same thing? Maybe it is you that needs to learn a little about other religions before you spout out your butt.:p

[rums_mom]

Hide your guns!

Yep, and your riches and land..............cuz he is gonna get it ALL! ;):eek::crazy::hysterical::deadhorse::help::cloud:

[mandisue]

I think both candidates had they're pros and cons. Obama just happened to want things I don't believe in. I believe the guys and girls fighting for this country do it for a reason. I also think that infant life shouldn't be ended when it's almost time to be born.

[cloedoll]

Lets all play nice for WBay. =)

[mandisue]

Yep, and your riches and land..............cuz he is gonna get it ALL! ;):eek::crazy::hysterical::deadhorse::help::cloud:



I wrote that b/c he wants every gun reg. How many of you have grandparents or yourselves have guns that were passed down generation to generation that you have no papers, receipts etc on???? Like my 70 year old grandfather is going to reg a gun that his pappy gave him.

[grandmadeb]

I hope the best for him as he has inherited quite the mess. The last 8 years has been depressing for me personally and it started when I figured W. duped me out of my vote by lying about WMD. I saw the light when Colin Powell quit and realized that W,. had his own agenda. God save me from that smirk! I am a hybrid- part Democrat and part Rebublican and I did not vote a straight ticket. I did vote for those who I thought would do the best job for this nation. For me, the economy was THE issue and to be honest the current regime had no idea it was going south and that really bothered me, that they were so out of touch with the common man and what was happening to us. I am not saying they caused it but they failed to be in touch.

[mandisue]

well said

[rums_mom]

I wrote that b/c he wants every gun reg. How many of you have grandparents or yourselves have guns that were passed down generation to generation that you have no papers, receipts etc on???? Like my 70 year old grandfather is going to reg a gun that his pappy gave him.


Really? And where did you get that tidbit of information?
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

[Toodlestoo]

More importantly, what did everyone think of Michelle Obama's dress?:)

[JackieB]

But I can't guarantee I'll take a whole lot of tongue flapping or poo flinging with grace and good humor, so just be warned. Don't test me, I may not be at my best today.


I'm going to take you at your word on this, WB. I won't be doing anything to bring a fish slap on today. I know your feeling well and it's great that you are willing to let us celebrate and really, not rain on our parade either, but I do know your feeling.

I remember when I was campaigning for John Kerry in 2004. I was in a parade. I went by a bunch of kids and their parents who definitely didn't think that Kerry should be elected. Well, they were jeering and laughing at me and this girl said something like "I only have one thing to say to you." and then she held up three fingers in a "W" symbol and said "Dubya" in a smirking manner. She wasn't just having a little election fun, she was taunting and trying to insult me. I didn't say anything, but man that made me mad. There's no need.

Anyway, I can appreciate that today is an unpleasant day for you. I sure hope that the Obama administration can earn your trust. I know that you will give him a chance to do so.

[rums_mom]

WB. if it is any consolation, I was in your same position 4 years and 8 years ago. I know exactly how you feel.

Well said by JackieB; "Anyway, I can appreciate that today is an unpleasant day for you. I sure hope that the Obama administration can earn your trust. I know that you will give him a chance to do so."

FTR, I gave George W. the benefit of the doubt in the beginning and time and time again he did the exact opposite of what he promised.

[mandisue]

Rum he wants to ban semi automatics. Do you know what a semi automatic is? We just bought one, a Ruger Mark III to shoot coons with. It's a 22. He said this himself. He also wants to ban most handguns period. Do you know how many women and men carry hand guns that are considered concealed? My mom carries one in her purse. She's been stalked many times and I can't blame her for wanting to feel safe. If I didn't have kids I'd carry one.


I do in fact hope that he does turn the country around though. I just dont agree on certain things. It's my OP that's all.

[JackieB]

FTR, I gave George W. the benefit of the doubt in the beginning....

I did, too. For a couple of years, actually. He had developed a reputation as a bipartisan governor in Texas.

[Kaitlyn]

The Joe the Plumber situation and the spread the wealth situation is what makes me nervous. I feel as though A LOT of people will be going on welfare, because he makes it sound golden.

[luvs2ride1979]

Hide your guns!

Gun control laws do not take away your right to own weapons, as is afforded to all of us by the constitution. Gun control laws simply make it harder to buy weapons, especially handguns and assault rifles, and those laws make it (more) illegal to own an unregistered weapon.

Now, I am NOT pro-gun control at all even though I am a democrat. I don't think gun control laws really help much. That said, I'm (rightly) not afraid that someone is going to take away my right to own or purchase weapons if tougher gun control laws are passed. It will just be more difficult and time consuming to do so (and possibly more expensive).

[HoustonFarrier]

While I am certainly not thrilled with the results, I am STILL happy that my mother did NOT choose to have an abortion, and I am happy beyond words to live in a country where I still have the right to vote for whomever I want. It will be, if anything, an interesting 4 years to come. :popcorn:

Congrats go to the Obama Campaign. They may come to find out that "wanting and not having" was better than "having":)

As Thomas Jefferson said...."A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine...."

What's more depressing to me was that John Murtha won re-election in PA. That man is a disgrace to this country.

Hope for the best....be prepared for the worst. Long live the United States !

Steve

[rums_mom]

Rum he wants to ban semi automatics. Do you know what a semi automatic is? We just bought one, a Ruger Mark III to shoot coons with. It's a 22. He said this himself. He also wants to ban most handguns period. Do you know how many women and men carry hand guns that are considered concealed? My mom carries one in her purse. She's been stalked many times and I can't blame her for wanting to feel safe. If I didn't have kids I'd carry one.


I do in fact hope that he does turn the country around though. I just dont agree on certain things. It's my OP that's all.

Yes I do indeed know what a semi automatic is, and I have shot several.:eek:
FTR, my husband has a concealed handgun permit. His restaurant was help up at gunpoint Saturday night, he was not there and no one was hurt. The police caught the guy, 21 year old that ended up holding a gun to one of his waitresses head. Turned out it was a BB gun..........

[luvs2ride1979]

More importantly, what did everyone think of Michelle Obama's dress?:)

I thought it was bold and quite sexy, lol. She looked really great in it, a modern first lady for sure. The girls were just precious too.

[HoustonFarrier]

Gun control laws do not take away your right to own weapons, as is afforded to all of us by the constitution. Gun control laws simply make it harder to buy weapons, especially handguns and assault rifles, and those laws make it (more) illegal to own an unregistered weapon.

So...if I am not ABLE to buy a gun...just how do my "rights to own one" work???? Think about it...........

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Ah- We won't ban it.... we'll just bankrupt people who want it and bury them in red tape.

I guess I better get used to that.

[rums_mom]

Thank you HF, that was very gracious of you.

When and IF what you predict comes true WB, you will have every right to gloat, until then stick to the facts. Deal?:)

[pandorasmom]

Very well said Cloe. The American people have chosen this man to run our country. There's nothing to do about it now. Let's all just relax and get back to living our lives. Hopefully things will make a turn for the better now ;).


SOME of the American people, not all. I am 100% American, and I for one did NOT vote him in. I have a very sick feeling in my stomach, that this country will be run so low in the ground it will be irrepairable for a very long time.

He's not a full american. Regardless of what he or anyone else says! I'm dropping that there though.

I'm moving to Cananda too please. I don't have a trailer, but can someone squeeze in room for a 15 yr. old 15 hh Bay mare??? Sweet as can be, but hot headed as they come!
Maybe I'd prefer to move to Ireland or Austrailia? Anyone headed there?

Vicky, your fears I share. I don't know any person that cares about this Country who wouldn't share those.

I'll be praying for this Country for the next four years, and I'm praying hard for Palin in2012!!!

As Thomas Jefferson said...."A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine...."

Hope for the best....be prepared for the worst. Long live the United States !

Steve

Agreed with Steve.

I'm dropping this here though, because I'll say something I really shouldn't. I may just take the high road. Probably be best for me.

[HoustonFarrier]

Thank you HF, that was very gracious of you.


You expected anything less? ;)(I still hold doors open for women too.....not because they need it...because a gentleman should.)

I love this country with all that I have....we must ALL remember that any President is just that, a President, who leads this country at OUR will. He is being entrusted with a great responsiblilty, and I will be making SURE he does the job as he should, or I shall lead the call for a NEW president.

We, the people.......

Steve

[Flair]

I understand Canada's pretty socialist. I ought to ask a couple of friends from north of the border, and will get back to you on that.

[rums_mom]

I thought it was bold and quite sexy, lol. She looked really great in it, a modern first lady for sure. The girls were just precious too.


I loved it, a nice change from the usual business suit or leather jacket.:doh:

I wonder if Mrs. Palin has to give back all the clothes?

[luvs2ride1979]

The Joe the Plumber situation and the spread the wealth situation is what makes me nervous. I feel as though A LOT of people will be going on welfare, because he makes it sound golden.

I don't know... I think he is going to be hard on the people who take advantage of the system. There's no one more critical of the pathetic losers (of any race) than a black man who's made it on his own!

I lived right in the middle of a "hood" for 7 years (just moved out 2 months ago). We were in a nicer pocket (lower crime, no drugs on the streets), but I was still the minority member of our neighborhood! The black people I have known and observed (middle to lower class here in central Arkansas) are VERY hard on each other. They will cut their own down quicker than you can blink. Now, if they face racism (real or perceived) they will rally together like nobody's business, but by themselves, they're very critical of fellow black people.

The black youth of our nation are bringing down the race and culture as a whole and it doesn't go unnoticed. Just read some of Bill Cosby's rants :cool:. I don't think Obama will be a whole lot easier on them. He's been preaching help for the WORKING class people, not so much the sit-on-their-rear-ends-and-collect-a-check people.

Now, don't think that the above means I'm racist. I am definitely not. I have no problem with individuals or the race as whole. I work with black people and have black friends (as well as Puerto Rican friends, Mexican, Jewish, etc.). The above is simply based on my first hand observations. :)

[luvs2ride1979]

So...if I am not ABLE to buy a gun...just how do my "rights to own one" work???? Think about it...........

Steve

You WILL be able to buy a gun, you'll just have to fill out more paperwork to do so :cool:.

If you don't like it, go out and buy a bunch now before the laws change. That's what I'm going to do :cowboy:. I think I'll apply for a concealed weapon permit while I'm at it ;). No seriously! I've been thinking about it for a while now, and now is the time to do it, in case those gun laws are passed sooner rather than later.

[MyHorseBiggs]

I would have been fine with neither of them winning.................

Yeah me too I would've been fine if Bush stayed prez. :cool: My bros and I were hoping they'd get the same amount of electrol (sp) votes and President Bust stayed president..... Hoping and praying he'll make good decicions (sp) for our country. :)

[livaward]

This thread is depressing me......I'm going to go play with my ponies and puds

[HoustonFarrier]

You WILL be able to buy a gun, you'll just have to fill out more paperwork to do so :cool:

Actually, because I have a CC permit, I don't have to fill out anything but the sales form...now. But, if you look at gun control over the last 2 decades......you will see a continuing onslaught of loss of rights. You cannot look at this through the fish-eye lens of "here and now". You have to look at the history of gun control, to see it's insidious march towards total gun control. It IS happening.

Steve

[luvs2ride1979]

SOME of the American people, not all. I am 100% American, and I for one did NOT vote him in. I have a very sick feeling in my stomach, that this country will be run so low in the ground it will be irrepairable for a very long time.


The MAJORITY of America voted for him. The popular vote was 62,931,686 to McCain's 55,740,133, 52% to 46%. That's over 7 MILLION more for Obama than McCain. That's no small victory...

He won the electoral votes by a LANDSLIDE!

6, SIX, states changed from a normally republican state (red) to a majority Democrat presidential vote this year, SIX!! And we still have three states pending (Indiana, Missouri, and North Carolina). All three states were slated to go to McCain, but so far Indiana and North Carolina are looking like Obama states (by a small lead right now)! Even if McCain wins those two, it will be by a SLIM margin.

I have a very sick feeling in my stomach, that this country will be run so low in the ground it will be irrepairable for a very long time.
Do you realize what a mess our Nation is in now? And all because of Bush's administration. Our nation has been on a slow downhill slide ever since 9-11 and Bush never did anything to stop it. Heck, he didn't even acknowledge it was happening until it was too late!


He's not a full american. Regardless of what he or anyone else says! I'm dropping that there though.Not a full American? He was born and raised here, by a mom and grandmother that were both born and raised here. How much more American do you want? White anglo saxon? Well sorry, he isn't that :cool:. You can't choose what kind of background your born with.

[Sparrk]

:eek: Wow did this thread just time warp back to the 1950's?

First all, yes I'm Canadian, and very proud to be.

I can't believe all the racist comments on here!

And all the complaints about gun laws! Yowsers!

After reading this shocking thread, I've learned there are alot more differences between Canadians and Americans.

:popcorn:

[cowgirlup@idaho]

Oh come now. We're not in as bad of shape as Germany was at that time, nor are we as ignorant as those poor Germans were. Plus our government is set up to not allow that sort of thing to happen.
Don't be overly dramatic :cool:.

Drama grabs attention, I am not saying that we are going to experience what Germany went through at the hands of Hitler. You missed the point, Germany LOVED Hitler initially, he won their loyalty and love first....

[HoustonFarrier]

Do you realize what a mess our Nation is in now?
Is it REALLY? I like to ask the question bill clinton asked.....are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? I am. 4 years ago, I was unemployed, had to sell my BIG house and move into a smaller house, had to sell some horses,downsize cars....and had to live off my 401K for awhile. Now, I am employed, more horses, more $$$ back into my 401K, and doing pretty well. Most of the people I personally KNOW are better off now as well.

The Wall Street fiasco is NOT a "Bush Administration" problem......Congress needed to enact laws, which they FAILED to do.

Iraq....you betcha, that's a Bush fault, 100%. He failed to learn from history, so he was doomed to repeat it, and he did.

Unemployment rate has been fairly stable over the last 8 years ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt

And all because of Bush's administration.
Still Bush bashing. Read up on Barney Franks, and what he said about John McCain's bill 2 years ago to regulate Wall Street and FannieMae/Freddie Mac. There's plenty of blame to go around!

Steve

[Ryderd65]

Whoa there Sparrk!
Before you assume a few voices on here represent an entire nation, hop on over to the other thread (Election Night thread started by JackieB) for a different perspective.

McCains supporters are having a down day, its to be expected, so people are saying and thinking things out of disappointment and frustration. Give them a break.
Yes there are bigots in the US, but there are bigots in every country, and fanatics in every group. The US does not have a monopoly on them.

They however, do not speak for all of us.

FYI- I was raised in a very rascist household in the South, and yesterday, I voted for an African American president.

People CAN change.

[HoustonFarrier]

First all, yes I'm Canadian, and very proud to be.
And????? How is this germaine to anything? I'm of Polish heritage...and proud to be...so what?

I can't believe all the racist comments on here!
Where? Having a civil discussion about race is NOT racism.

And all the complaints about gun laws! Yowsers!
You live in a country that has never had to fight for it's freedom. You don't understand, it's not your fault.:)

After reading this shocking thread, I've learned there are alot more differences between Canadians and Americans.
yep.

Steve

[grandmadeb]

I have a very sick feeling in my stomach, that this country will be run so low in the ground it will be irrepairable for a very long time.


We are already there and that is exactly why the vote went the way it did!! People are willing to try something different and not more of the same. Everyone will have hard decisions to make in their personal lives. We have been tettering on the brink for a while now and I only hope that it is not already too late.

[Harleys Owner]

[QUOTE= But now, there is a true chance at change.[/QUOTE]

Definitely that....but change is not always for the best:(

[WashingtonBay]

Thank you HF, that was very gracious of you.

When and IF what you predict comes true WB, you will have every right to gloat, until then stick to the facts. Deal?:)

You want to make a deal to stick to facts now? Just how dumb would I have to be to make such a deal with you?

I'll be truthful because it's who I try to be. You don't get any credit for that.





Oh and Sparkk....

Yes, there are a few differences, I guess. Important ones for some people. For starters, the only really insulting comments about race appear to come from the people who voted for Obama last night and are patting themselves on the back for how advanced they are this morning.

Personally, I think it's insulting to mention race, even as praise. Maybe eventually the others will catch up. I hope so. I don't generalize or let anyone on or off the hook based on similarities they may or may not have in skin color. Culture, yes. Because cultures believe things and DO things. Skins don't.

[HorseCrazy]

I for one am not looking forward to the next 4 yrs. I have no trust for this guy, his wife doesn't like America, he's ? too much to type. Russia is already threatening us. Bieden said he'd be challenged in 6 mo. of office. He's not even in yet and trouble is starting.
Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride.

[EnglishGuy]

Man the election was a dissapointment, we were hoping McCain's big gains in the waning hours would be enough, but Obama was able to just push ahead in the key states.

I don't really know what to say. I don't think the future is very bright but we'll survive until better times.

[All4Grace]

:rolleyes:
:popcorn:
:rolleyes:

Im just gonna sit back and and watch the mudslinging from many here. (I am sitting fair enough away not to get hit)

I just want to say, I am very happy witht he results, I am very anti-Bush, and I have my reasons however, I am not going to throw around fact/rumors as there really is no need.

We all have our opinions on this matter and the fact is Obama is elected president and for the next 4yrs years we just have to hope he will live up to his winning campaign.

To quote Robin Williams in the movie "Man Of the Year"

"Many say it is unpatriotic to question the government. If it was unpatriotic to question the government we would all still be english."

And it is OUR right at US citizens to debate and question the choices this great nation makes but lets not let it ruin the wonderful friendship we have formed on these forums.

*Peace Out!*
:p


Anyone wanna join me on the :popcorn: bench? Plenty of room and lots of :popcorn:

[HoustonFarrier]

And it is OUR right at US citizens to debate and question the choices this great nation makes but lets not let it ruin the wonderful friendship we have formed on these forums.

You are absolutly 100% correct. While I may indeed challenge a person ideas.....in no way should that be construed as a challenge to thier person. You may have nutty ideas...but that does not necessarily make you a nut:):)

We are all bound by a common heritage, and never forget for a single instance...we are ALL AMERICANS.(well, most of us)

Steve

[luvs2ride1979]

Is it REALLY? I like to ask the question bill clinton asked.....are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? I am. 4 years ago, I was unemployed, had to sell my BIG house and move into a smaller house, had to sell some horses,downsize cars....and had to live off my 401K for awhile. Now, I am employed, more horses, more $$$ back into my 401K, and doing pretty well. Most of the people I personally KNOW are better off now as well.


I's glad you are Steve, that's great! I am also better off, but mainly because I chose to go back to college and MAKE a better future for myself. I'm in a bigger (but still modest) house with my horses out front yard (small yard/property, but enough) and my paycheck is fatter than ever before (I'm still middle class though). But, our other house hasn't sold, my budget is tight due to high fuel and feed costs, and my mom & step-dad are about to file bankruptcy...

Things are going fine for me, but not great. And I am not blind to everything going on around me. Unemployment might be holding steady, but so are wages... Wages are not going up with the cost of living, so people might have jobs, but they don't pay a lot. Rising costs for everything are making people cinch up their purses. The tanking housing market is forcing many Americans out of their homes. The foreclosure rate is through the ROOF!!

Now, much of this crisis is because of people's stupidity, wanting bigger houses than they can afford and big gas guzzling vehicles that they don't need. But economic experts predicted this back in 2002 and no one paid them any attention. Our government could have addressed it, but instead they ignored the problem until it was too late...

Still Bush bashing. Read up on Barney Franks, and what he said about John McCain's bill 2 years ago to regulate Wall Street and FannieMae/Freddie Mac. There's plenty of blame to go around!

Steve

Oh I agree. That's why I said the Bush Administration, not only Bush. We had a republican Congress for 6 years that managed to run things into the ground (with plenty of democrats hoping on board), and Bush signed everything they gave him. Then the dems clinched a very slim majority two years ago and have been bickering about what to do with it ever since, lol, all the while Bush vetoing or threatening to veto almost everything that was democrat written. It's just a great big cluster f* for the past 8 years. I'm just glad it will soon be over and hopefully Obama can do something about it...

Really though, the Libertarian in me says we NEED a recession, to get people to be thankful for what they have instead of wanting things they don't need. We've ended up in a mindset of "gimme, gimme, gimme," like tamtrum throwing spoiled 4 yr old children. We think it's our right to own excessive material goods, not the luxury that it really is. A recession would smack all that spoiled mentality down in the dirt, where it belongs.

[EnglishGuy]

I still like McCains quote "If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago". People act like voting Obama is spiting Bush and all the bad things he did. A lot of things that weren't even *his* fault, but the fault of a slow acting congress with single digit approval ratings (A Democrat congress) that never passed anything.

But unfortunately America is going down a path with a lot of bumps and challenges along the way, and even more unfortunate now we have an inexperianced driver taking us there.

But, thats all I'm going to say. HoustonFarrier pretty much has it all right so I'll just move along and not get into any fights since I like everyone here.

[luvs2ride1979]

You are absolutly 100% correct. While I may indeed challenge a person ideas.....in no way should that be construed as a challenge to thier person. You may have nutty ideas...but that does not necessarily make you a nut:):)

We are all bound by a common heritage, and never forget for a single instance...we are ALL AMERICANS.(well, most of us)

Steve

I agree with you there Steve :cool:. I hope no one holds my statements against me, lol. I've already forgotten who said what. I just like a good debate! My Bachelor's degree is in Political Science, with a History minor. I just can help myself... :p

[HoustonFarrier]

Now, much of this crisis is because of people's stupidity,

BINGO!!!! You win the election day prize..WB, what do we have !!!! LOL:)

Simple, succinct, yet eloquent...I could not have said it any better !

Personal responsibility will fix this country far better than any President/Administration.

Steve

[luvs2ride1979]

I still like McCains quote "If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago". People act like voting Obama is spiting Bush and all the bad things he did. A lot of things that weren't even *his* fault, but the fault of a slow acting congress with single digit approval ratings (A Democrat congress) that never passed anything.

The Congress was only democratic for the last two years, and one of the reasons it was slow is because Bush vetoed or threatened to veto almost everything they presented to him that was not his exact agenda. I agree, they did bicker amongst themselves and were slow to do much, but Bush was right there to smack their ideas back down.

[WashingtonBay]

I's glad you are Steve, that's great! I am also better off, but mainly because I chose to go back to college and MAKE a better future for myself.

That's the only reason anyone is EVER better off.

I too, am much better off than I was four years ago.


Now, much of this crisis is because of people's stupidity, wanting bigger houses than they can afford and big gas guzzling vehicles that they don't need. But economic experts predicted this back in 2002 and no one paid them any attention. Our government could have addressed it, but instead they ignored the problem until it was too late...


I'm still undecided on what, exactly they should have done to keep people from being stupid. Preventing them from feeling any consequences for being stupid doesn't feel like the right answer, and neither, really does regulation that might have the goal of saving people from themselves. This isn't how we build stronger smarter people.


Really though, the Libertarian in me says we NEED a recession, to get people to be thankful for what they have instead of wanting things they don't need. We've ended up in a mindset of "gimme, gimme, gimme," like tamtrum throwing spoiled 4 yr old children. We think it's our right to own excessive material goods, not the luxury that it really is. A recession would smack all that spoiled mentality down in the dirt, where it belongs.

On this I agree!

[HoustonFarrier]

The Congress was only democratic for the last two years, and one of the reasons it was slow is because Bush vetoed or threatened to veto almost everything they presented to him that was not his exact agenda. I agree, they did bicker amongst themselves and were slow to do much, but Bush was right there to smack their ideas back down.

But, in a way, that is what we want (sometimes). That is the "checks/balances" that our founding father's had the foresight to plan in this government. Debate is GOOD for the country. Everyone thinking the same is what leads to the Hitlers, Castros, Stalins of the world.

What sent me through the ROOF with Bush, was his CONSTANT spending.......not just the war either, his domestic spending was WAAAAAY too much.

Steve

[luvs2ride1979]

BINGO!!!! You win the election day prize..WB, what do we have !!!! LOL:)

Simple, succinct, yet eloquent...I could not have said it any better !

Personal responsibility will fix this country far better than any President/Administration.

Steve

Well, that's definitely one thing we both fully agree on. People are just morons lately, lol.

This young couple (20s) with two kids down the street put their house up for sale just last week. Their ROOMMATE told me they "couldn't afford it." Yet they have a BIG 3/4 ton truck (that is in perfect condition, has never hauled anything, looks only 2-3 years old at most), a Cadillac (looks to be about 4-5 years old), and a NEW Toyota Camry. Hello! McFly! WHY did you buy a big house in a (then) expensive neighborhood AND expensive gas guzzling cars (plus a new car) when you both were barely making any money??? And then you sell your HOUSE when you can't afford things? :eek: Yeah, that makes perfect sense... :rolleyes:

[luvs2ride1979]

I'm still undecided on what, exactly they should have done to keep people from being stupid. Preventing them from feeling any consequences for being stupid doesn't feel like the right answer, and neither, really does regulation that might have the goal of saving people from themselves. This isn't how we build stronger smarter people.

Well, there's nothing you can do about that, lol. But the mortgage thing was forecast, and regulations on that could have easily been passed. Many people fell for that because of corrupt/fraudulent mortgage brokers, not just because they were stupid. These brokers were convincing them to take these sub-prime variable rate mortgages without explaining or in some cases even allowing them to read the fine print.

A higher federal minimum wage is also over due, as are regulations on the gas/oil companies.

[HoustonFarrier]

A higher federal minimum wage is also over due,
What are the effects of that on small business owners?

as are regulations on the gas/oil companies.
What MORE regulations would you implement and WHY?

Steve

[Kaitlyn]

Luvs2Ride I will agree with you on the couple losing the house, we have that problem extremely bad. One neighbor gets a big house, the other gets one, other neighbor buys an Infinity SUV well then the other neighbor needs a Lexus. They get so in over their heads with new stuff they are on the brink of losing it all. It's disgusting. They don't have limits, they don't stop themselves and that's what causes a mess.

[WashingtonBay]

I agree with you there Steve :cool:. I hope no one holds my statements against me, lol. I've already forgotten who said what. I just like a good debate! My Bachelor's degree is in Political Science, with a History minor. I just can help myself... :p

Well for starters, I think you said it's OKAY to control access to guns by making it more difficult and expensive to get them legally. I did intend to revisit that.

I have a BIG problem with this idea that you think it's OK to just make the fees high on behavior you wish to limit, but don't have the ability to ban. Taxation is not supposed to be extortion or ransom paid to buy our rights. Beware giving government the right to license any right, because it gives them the power to set the price for that license as high as they wish.

[Toodlestoo]

Anyone wanna join me on the :popcorn: bench? Plenty of room and lots of :popcorn:

Me! Pass the popcorn! I'm a republican but for some reason, am very excited today!

[rums_mom]

You want to make a deal to stick to facts now? Just how dumb would I have to be to make such a deal with you?

I'll be truthful because it's who I try to be. You don't get any credit for that.



I was trying to play nice, this was uncalled for. You obviously do not know a damn thing about me and I don't need any credit from you for being whom I am. Deal off........go put your head back in the ground where it belongs.

All4Grace, I am on the bench with you..........move over........:popcorn:

[Pinky]

"Many say it is unpatriotic to question the government. If it was unpatriotic to question the government we would all still be english."

Speaking as a Brit, I have to agree. No one stands up to our government. :doh:

I'm going to try and be an 'objective outsider' (as a teenage Brit I honestly don't expect my opinion to matter anyway. Not that it should :rolleyes:)

America is not in the worse shape it could be. It could be so much worse. So you've got a new president. At least he was chosen by some Americans. Gordon Brown was chosen by Tony Blair - we got no say in it and he does nothing.

It could have been worse. So the guy you wanted to win didn't, big deal. To the McCain supporters - bad luck, I'm sorry; try again in 4 years. To the Obama supporters - good for you. But you now cannot complain about how is running the country (if you feel the need, that is) in 2 years.

Gun laws. Well, over here you cannot buy a gun. Even for an unworking replica you have to have a license and a full CRB check. Be thankful for what you all have.

Obamas race will never govern how he runs the country. So he's 'black', woo; good for him. He will run the counrty how he feels best - colour does not effect feelings.

I'll eat my words if someone can come up wth an argument about how the USA is worse off than the UK. I'm sorry, but with it costing us (in terms of understanding) £500 a month ($1000!) to keep one horse, in a field, with no food - you can't complain. And with gas $15. Be thankful for what you have.

[Kaitlyn]

Oh crap. Now I feel like a jerk.

[WashingtonBay]

Rums mom, don't pretend for a minute I have not repeatedly played fair with you, asked for restraint and good manners from you, as recently as this morning, and had my hand bitten every time.

Every time I've asked for fairness, restraint, good manners, and fair play from you, you've chosen to turn up the volume instead. Shall I go back and look at how many snide comments you made AFTER I asked nicely for everyone to please show a little restraint for those of us who might be feeling a little down this morning? Shall I turn the tongue.gif back on so people can see how many times you posted it after I hinted it was getting on my last nerve?

You want credit for playing nice, then be nice. I'm a real forgiving person. To a fault. But I'm not dumb, and I'm not going to sit here and be more concerned for your feelings than you've been for mine this morning.

Fair's fair. :popcorn:

[JackieB]

I'm still undecided on what, exactly they should have done to keep people from being stupid. Preventing them from feeling any consequences for being stupid doesn't feel like the right answer, and neither, really does regulation that might have the goal of saving people from themselves.

I agree with you on this part. Where I do think we will see that there is a role for government to play is in the regulations for the financial industry. Greenspan acknowledged two weeks ago that he erred in resisting regulations on securities. And Fannie and Freddie were somehow able to cook the books for a long time without getting caught.

It's a bit too easy to point the finger at either Barney Frank or conservatives who opposed regulation. But perhaps the wisest comment I heard from a financial expert is that when there is a ton of money to be made, people rarely question the wisdom of the system that is providing it for them (subprime mortgages and the securities they turned into). They just take the money.

When I heard about the subprime meltdown, I also thought "Tough lesson, but we have to let the market work this out." Then the federal government announces that it's not just the predatory lenders and unqualified buyers that are in for financial ruin, but all of us. Then, I darn well cared about those loans. I didn't take one out, but I have to help provide over a trillion dollars to help with a rescue package?

So, we probably have to return to more regulations on the lenders. It's like requiring a driver's license. It's not just for the driver, but for others on the road.

[WashingtonBay]

That's true, JackieB. To protect the other drivers on the road, I can support some new rules.

Heck... I'm sitting here living in an old rented mobile instead of a huge mortgage on BaywindFarm, not because I couldn't have done it sooner, but because I didn't feel near stable enough to take on that kind of risk.

[JackieB]

What sent me through the ROOF with Bush, was his CONSTANT spending.......not just the war either, his domestic spending was WAAAAAY too much.

Steve

I'm afraid it did tarnish, at least temporarily, what it means to be "conservative". We can criticize the previous Administration, and the moral failings of President Clinton did lead me to want to see him impeached, convicted, and removed from office. But whether he was responsible for it or not, we ended that Administration with regular budget surpluses.

Now when things get really tough, like they did for the Bush Adminstration, especially after 9-11, conservatives tighten their belts. That's what they do. The title itself has the word "conserve" at its root. But I didn't see that. I saw "Do exactly what you have been doing, by all means keep spending because that keeps the economy going, and let us worry about the costs of this war and everything else." That's not how we would do it in our own home and it caused me, and even plenty of bona fide conservatives to question what that term really means anymore.

But I'm sure that the Republicans will rebuild. And I hope that the Democrats can remain humble and realize that the American public won't be any happier with them in four or eight years if they don't deliver on their promises.

[rums_mom]

If it is so painful for you on this thread, why keep reading it? Isn't that been advice given before? Glutton for punishment?

I wasn't the only one using the tongue wagging smilie. But I guess I am the only one that was getting on your nerve. Why do you assume it was directed at you anyway..........oh never mind.

[JackieB]

Before you assume a few voices on here represent an entire nation, hop on over to the other thread (Election Night thread started by JackieB) for a different perspective.



Awwww, I'm blushing. Thanks, Ryder.

[WashingtonBay]

I'm enjoying some of this conversation. Not all is pain without reward.

And I hate to state the obvious... but I am in my own house. Are you suggesting I should leave?

[rums_mom]

I went back and read my posts, I actually comisserated with you on how you are feeling today because I had felt the same way in 2000 and 2004. Sorry for showing you some sympathy.

[shagyaArab]

Neither is Obama. He is not far enough left to be a Socialist. He is not a Muslim. And he is most certainly NOT a terrorist. :rolleyes:

hey believe what you want too but i have a feeling over the next 4 years obama might just prove me right;)

[Ryderd65]

You're welcome JackieB.

[WashingtonBay]

I guess I'll just say Doing a thing.... Being a thing.... is different than just saying a thing.

[HoustonFarrier]

I guess I'll just say Doing a thing.... Being a thing.... is different than just saying a thing.

In simpler terms.....actions speak louder than words.....

Steve

[luvs2ride1979]

Okay, all this going round and round is making my head hurt, lol. I'm going to bow out of this thread now, not because I can't explain myself or back up my statements, but because I don't have the time for it at the moment. I have too much to do that I should have been doing all morning, lol. If this thread is still alive in a day or two, I might pop back in ;).

[WashingtonBay]

Speaking as a Brit, I have to agree. No one stands up to our government. :doh:

I'm going to try and be an 'objective outsider' (as a teenage Brit I honestly don't expect my opinion to matter anyway. Not that it should :rolleyes:)

America is not in the worse shape it could be. It could be so much worse. So you've got a new president. At least he was chosen by some Americans. Gordon Brown was chosen by Tony Blair - we got no say in it and he does nothing.

It could have been worse. So the guy you wanted to win didn't, big deal. To the McCain supporters - bad luck, I'm sorry; try again in 4 years. To the Obama supporters - good for you. But you now cannot complain about how is running the country (if you feel the need, that is) in 2 years.

Gun laws. Well, over here you cannot buy a gun. Even for an unworking replica you have to have a license and a full CRB check. Be thankful for what you all have.

Obamas race will never govern how he runs the country. So he's 'black', woo; good for him. He will run the counrty how he feels best - colour does not effect feelings.

I'll eat my words if someone can come up wth an argument about how the USA is worse off than the UK. I'm sorry, but with it costing us (in terms of understanding) £500 a month ($1000!) to keep one horse, in a field, with no food - you can't complain. And with gas $15. Be thankful for what you have.

Pinky I don't want to let your post go unanswered, I really appreciate your perspective on all this. Poignant observations, all of them.

[Remali]

All4Grace and rum's mom.....move over, I'm joining you on the bench too! I was going to post on here, but after reading some of the obviously ridiculous posts made (Muslim "names", Hitler....??!! gimme a break...), I don't think this even deserves a reply...... other than to just sit on the bench.... :popcorn:

[vicklynn]

Pinky has it worse off than the USA, so it seems.
I for one woke up on the wrong side of the bed. My heart still hurts. Ive delt with my vote loosing before, but it's different this time, for me.
I have gone into my prayers and worship music to ease the pain I feel. I am suppose to follow my government, weather I like it or not. So be it.
I pray that my concerns, do not come to light.

[menagerie]

I'm sick and terrified about what this means for our country. Obama keeps saying we are all going to have to do more work, each and everyone of us in order to 'correct' our country. I say we all DO work as hard as we can and have to fight that government every step of the way in order to live freely as we wish to live. I fear we will soon have many imposed restrictions and laws that enslave us to a government that has its own selfish interests in mind and certainly not that of its people.

Side note: If Obama was the best candidate for the job then why is it that he was elected based on the color of his skin and not his credentials or ideas for exactly what he intends to do for our country. I'm anxious to finally see what his version of 'change' actually means.

[WashingtonBay]

Okay, all this going round and round is making my head hurt, lol. I'm going to bow out of this thread now, not because I can't explain myself or back up my statements, but because I don't have the time for it at the moment. I have too much to do that I should have been doing all morning, lol. If this thread is still alive in a day or two, I might pop back in ;).

This thread or one like it.

Myself... I need to be out shoveling poop. The horses have left the barn for the first time in two days this morning, and from our forecast, I think they're going to be heading back in again before long.

[rums_mom]

In simpler terms.....actions speak louder than words.....

Steve

Got that right, just like this............

[lovesfortune]

Side note: If Obama was the best candidate for the job then why is it that he was elected based on the color of his skin and not his credentials or ideas for exactly what he intends to do for our country. I'm anxious to finally see what his version of 'change' actually means.

Just because I feel I have to say something, although it won't change your opinion. I DID NOT vote for Obama because he is African American. I feel I made a very informed vote for myself and looked very carefully at his credentials and his ideas. Saying that he won this election based on the fact of his skin color takes away from the whole process. Yes, I'm sure that SOME people did vote for him based on that, but PLEASE don't say we elected him (as a whole) based on that.

[Miracle Whip]

Well, if more of us shoveled poop, maybe more problems would get fixed. Nothing like a good day of shoveling poop to put life into true perspective.

Again, I ask, who else was there to vote for besides a 72 year old? That is TOO OLD to run a country! I wanted someone from MY generation. The day of the election the gas prices FELL below $2 a gallon. Have the gas prices gone back up yet? I live in the country and have not seen a gas station. As for guns, good luck enforcing that one. I don't have a semi- automatic and never will. We hunt for food and that is it.

[NJrider]

Side note: If Obama was the best candidate for the job then why is it that he was elected based on the color of his skin and not his credentials or ideas for exactly what he intends to do for our country. I'm anxious to finally see what his version of 'change' actually means.

WOW. Just WOW. What an ignorant statement. How could you assume you know the reasons people voted for him?! I certainly didn't vote for him based on the color of his skin.

[Tatesgram]

Speaking as a Brit, I have to agree. No one stands up to our government. :doh:

I'll eat my words if someone can come up wth an argument about how the USA is worse off than the UK. I'm sorry, but with it costing us (in terms of understanding) £500 a month ($1000!) to keep one horse, in a field, with no food - you can't complain. And with gas $15. Be thankful for what you have.

Pinky, this is exactly what we conservatives are afraid will happen while Obama reigns. Or maybe I should say, what this conservative is afraid will happen, a loss of our rights as they are now.

Like others have stated. I have a sick feeling and I don't see it going away any time soon. :(

[Sundays Man]

Aight, I'm hitching up the trailer... I only got room for one more horse though!

*starts singing*
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command

I LOVE IT!!! I've heard that word all my life but for the first time see it spelled out and I knew immediately what you were saying; "Aight" LOL:)

[Sundays Man]

You know - if all the republicans move, then dems winning the following years will just be easier due to less republican votes. It will just make future elections easier. :p

But honestly - I had a snake-pit in my stomach feeling both time that Bush won, but didn't threaten to move, and he has ran this country into the ground. Do we really need the theatrics?

Uhhh, I'm thinking in 4 years or maybe even 8, the republicans won't have to spend a dime in campaigning to win. :p

[mandisue]

Diesel went up $.16 today here.

[Sundays Man]

He's not Muslim. He's a Christian.

And I'm the Pope.

[Sundays Man]

Sigh. I think choosing to serve the country as a Senator and even run for President screams patriotism to me. Obama graduated at the top of his class form Law School. He could be making millions working at some law firm but he wanted to serve the city he came from and from there moved to the state and now his country. I don't understand questioning the patriotism of our leaders. As well as their religious beliefs. How fearful we all are of people who are not like us. It's a big world out there. And it's not all bad.

He already has made millions.

[JackieB]

And I'm the Pope.

I'm a little surprised to hear you say that, SM. There isn't any legitimate reason to doubt what Obama says about his religious beliefs.

[Sundays Man]

It's 11pm here and I'm listening to his speech now. I am ELATED!!!

We are living history folks, it's absolutely amazing...

http://www.barbarasdomain.com/main/images/photoalbum/17/obama_lg.jpg

Yeah, what's wrong with the flag that so many brave Americans died for?

[Sundays Man]

McCain is a co-sponsor for the anti-slaughter legislation too, if that's what anyone was referring too.

I predict a positive shift in the economy and the stock market, just with these election results, before Obama even gets into office officially. People WANT change, we NEED change, and McCain was not going to give it to us. If we stayed on the same path, or even on a similar path, we were headed STRAIGHT for a recession, no matter how many bailouts the government approves.

The economy has created this depressed horse market. Ending slaughter just kicked us on the way down. With a new president and a Democratic Congress we will FINALLY see improvement in our BS of a system and our nation as a whole. Remember Bill? Remember how good our economy was then? He was fighting a Republican Congress then and STILL got things done! The whole thing started a slow, but steady downhill slide as SOON as Bush stepped into office... If you can't see that, you're eyes aren't open, lol.


YEP, the Dow was down 290.

[Sundays Man]

Oh come now. We're not in as bad of shape as Germany was at that time, nor are we as ignorant as those poor Germans were. Plus our government is set up to not allow that sort of thing to happen.

Don't be overly dramatic :cool:.

Ignorant might be a very bad choice of words. You weren't living then and you don't know what the choices were. He was THEIR messiah of the day. Just like Castro was in the 50's for Cuba. And don't think for a moment that our system is completely idiot proof. If it can be screwed up, mankind can do it.

Having said all of that, I will support our president and give the respect DUE his office until he shows he is a complete idiot or turns against the principles and values that have made this nation what it is. So, Mr. Obama, my prayers are with you and don't EVEN betray our faith and trust in you.

[Sundays Man]

Also, wanted to say, 12% black, 15% purple, 30% gold - who really cares? He's American. That's what should matter, right? Saying he isn't a black president, where does that get anyone? Who cares what his religion, culture, or race is, what should matter is how he runs America...he's the American president.

Another good point Cloedoll. We listen to all the stuff said by the media and then parrot it. Like I said earlier, we are the puppets of the media and it's time we started pulling together and let the media mad dogs listen to themselves.

[JackieB]

Yeah, what's wrong with the flag that so many brave Americans died for?

Jeez, SM. Just because they put together a nifty red, white, and blue campaign logo, it's somehow unpatriotic? That's disrespectful to Old Glory?

[Tatesgram]

Jeez, SM. Just because they put together a nifty red, white, and blue campaign logo, it's somehow unpatriotic? That's disrespectful to Old Glory?

Sorry JackieB, I agree with SM. Yes, it was disrespectful. What was wrong with using our flag?

[Sundays Man]

Wow. I am stunned by some of the responses here. Actually I'm not, this is just what I expected. So maybe I need to modify "stunned" to "saddened". It's a real shame that people refuse to give someone a chance because they are different from them. And that they are willing to buy into the rumor mills and BS that's going on.

Facts differ from rumors. And being "different" is akin to playing the race card. It has NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING to do with race, religion, size, height or weight; it's policy, socialistic views, past words, etc. Track record is what it is called. And his smells to high heaven. But he is now our president, and he deserves a chance.

[luv2show]

Good post cloedoll! :D Probably one of the best I've seen on this thread.
I'm Canadian but I'm glad Obama won. :)

I'm completely shocked with some of the other comments made on here though, ..... Just shocked.

[Sundays Man]

What other options were there? a 72 year old man? I don't know much about Obama but I don't want an alzheimers prone man running the country either. I wanted someone from MY generation.

As someone said, McCain might not HAVE ALZHEIMERS now, but 72 is still way too old to run a country if you ask me. I don't care if McCain is in excellent health, the day to day decisions must be nervewracking and would surely take their toll after a while. Its not a job any of us wanted thats for sure!!!!!

I voted for the Green party. They had women on their ballot.

Let me tell you one thing you young whipper snapper. I've about had it with the age crap. Age discrimination is just as big a deal as race. McCain has more sense than the lot of us put together...and you never got the lesson on respect for elders and their experience and their wisdom. When you realize that your older citizens have been there and done that and know a lot of things you DON'T, you'll wish, just as I have, that I had listened to them. One day you will be 72, God willing, and you will see how stupid those remarks are at that time.

[TheBadLands]

I am disgusted.. and that's all I can say. I don't even know how to describe how I feel about that man running our country.. I am going back to canada, too..

[All4Grace]

And I'm the Pope.

I'm with Jackie B on this and say...
WoW! SM Just WoW!

*jumping off the bench for a minute here*

I for one get beyond PEE'D Off then People judge others based on religion. MAJORILY PEE'D off!!!

What right do ANY of us have to judge ANYONE else on their religious practices besides the fact that Obama is NOT and I repeat NOT a muslim, who gives a flying monkey butt if he was?
Is it because some muslims have been too extreme about their beliefs? Is that why so many people are so arrogant and judgemental about someone being muslim?

How many "Christens","jews" have turned out to be serial killers or psyhcopaths? How many "witches" were hanged because people didn't like their religious practices.

I was born a christen, I do not attend church, I do not believe in organized religion, BUT I would never EVER condem a person baised on their religious practices as long as they are cause no harm to another person or an animal.

It's the people that force their religious beliefs on others that Pi$$ me off, we all have the right to belief what we want to believe, just as we all have the right to debate the president elect.

I'm sorry to jump at you SM, you weren't the only one that used the muslim comment but your pope comment just lit the firecracker under my butt! :mad:

Heck, I love to learn about all religions and all cultures and I for one am glad we are getting a "different" view point into the presidental chair.


*wipes foam from mouth*

I am going back to the bench now and I will try to keep my large rear end there from now on. :p

[TheBadLands]

I work in an inner city area with whole hoards of Obama supporters who, until this election, never even thought to register to vote..

All I know is that since they're all "rising from oppression" and as he said in his speech last night "Now it's THEIR turn", they can't pull the race card when they get tazered here for stealing peoples cars and home invasions..

[Sundays Man]

I'm a little surprised to hear you say that, SM. There isn't any legitimate reason to doubt what Obama says about his religious beliefs.

That may be your thoughts, but not mine. You and I may tend to look at that subject differently. "legitmate" takes on a different meaning in each individual's mind. It's not an issue any longer anyway since he is our president, I just thought it odd that some hold him up as Christian or even muslim for that matter. I don't see where he is really either totally. I think he is a camellion (sp), whatever the current time demands. I don't care if he claims to be Hindu, as long as he upholds the office of president of the United States in a just, fair and honorable fashion. I pray for him and pray that he will do just that.

[Equine_Woman]

Jeez, SM. Just because they put together a nifty red, white, and blue campaign logo, it's somehow unpatriotic? That's disrespectful to Old Glory?

I'm going to have to back JackieB up on this. McCain's logo isn't a flag either. Obama's signifies a new day dawning. (bring on the Hitler comparisons) It's a simple campaign logo. Not a new banner for our country. Sheesh.

McCain's isn't even Red White and Blue!! GASP!! He's so unpatriotic!! (For those of you who are going to be insulted, I'm being very sarcastic. But that one claim was in my opinion a bit over the top. I'm glad SM that you state you disagree with Obama's policies and his past actions and not his color or his religion or his patriotism. But what does his campaign logo have to do with his policies??

And I really do feel for all of you who are having a rough day. I know what it's like to have that feeling in your stomach that the world just changed for the worse. I had it 8 years ago when Bush defeated Gore in the electorial college and I had it 4 years later when Kerry was defeated by Bush as well. I hope that the next four years are better on ya'll than those following years were on me. And since I'm an Obama supporter I of course believe whole heartedly that they will be.

I for one will not stick my tongue out at you or mock your feelings. I just will look forward to the future and hope the person I've voted for lives up to what I believe him to be.

[NJrider]

I'm done with this. The racism and BS is appalling and I'm ashamed that in this day and age there are still people that think this way. And you know what—if this is how a majority of Americans think then I'm ashamed to be one.

[TheBadLands]

Its not racism on my part. A stereo type creates itself. And YOU try going to work today being screamed at because YOU'RE white and NOTHING since we have a colored president.

I'm sure he's an intelligent man. And maybe things will be ok. But the stastical majority of his voters are these idiots bringing black panthers to vote stations and screaming at white people.

[NJrider]

You know, I remember not more than a few months ago you were on the other forum asking people about a friend of yours who was being unfairly judged because he was hispanic (I think, but it was a while ago) you didn't understand why people were judging him on things that he could not control. And now you're sayng this?! I just don't get it.

[All4Grace]

Its not racism on my part. A stereo type creates itself. And YOU try going to work today being screamed at because YOU'RE white and NOTHING since we have a colored president.

I'm sure he's an intelligent man. And maybe things will be ok. But the stastical majority of his voters are these idiots bringing black panthers to vote stations and screaming at white people.

You know I love you pallavesta but honestly.... How is it Obama's fault that those idiots are...well....idiots?


I don't think it is fair to condem the man because of other people actions.

[TheBadLands]

Oh no.. I thought he was an idiot from the get go

And he's fueling their fire. Didn't you hear his little speech? "It's OUR turn" yada yada yada..

All I'm saying is they can now kindly stop screaming racism and maybe take responsibility for their own actions since their new messaih is allowing them to.

Did you see the increase in registered voters this year? All these years of presidents and it to THIS to encourage them to vote? These new voters didn't care before. And they only care now because its a mark in American History.. not because they even understand WHAT any of this means for anyone.

[Kaitlyn]

PS: Gas has been under 2 dollars here for a few weeks now, and still is. I'm not sure how that was an argument?
I had plenty more to say, but fear my opinion will not be recognized since this has turned extremely sour in the last few pages.

We, McCain supporters, are a bit (to say the least) bitter right now, and will likely remain that way for quite some time (NOT speaking for everyone). I still have yet to understand how the new president made it in, but I may never understand.

Just thought I'd throw our gas prices in lol :)

OH NO! I remember. It peeves me that ALL these inner city residents were never NEVER registered before and didn't give two sh...craps about the president before and all of a sudden they are registered? It's not being narrow minded it's an observation, there are more blacks than whites in the inner city, that's not a racist comment it's what's the truth, and I feel that all of a sudden there's a 'black' man running for president they think he's his savior! They had no idea what the issues were about, knew nothing about this man except he appeared black.

Now, I am NOT dissing inner city people, Luvs2Ride you had mentioned you lived in the inner city for many years and I do not doubt your intelligence in the least but from what I'VE personally seen of the ghetto in my area, those people have NO idea about politics or the issues what-so-ever.

Luv2Show- How do you know you're glad Obama is our president when you don't reside here? I'm not dissing you, this tone is a complete 180 from above. It's interesting you care and know about here, but (don't take it offensive) I have NO idea who runs(?) your country lol.

[TheBadLands]

You know, I remember not more than a few months ago you were on the other forum asking people about a friend of yours who was being unfairly judged because he was hispanic (I think, but it was a while ago) you didn't understand why people were judging him on things that he could not control. And now you're sayng this?! I just don't get it.

Yeah, you're right. And now "I" am a victim of racism because some people are that stupid. Am I mad? Yes. Do I not go to work and work with minorities to enrich their lives everyday? No.. I love what I do.

Am I going to see things differently now? You're darn right I am.

And for the record.. my spanish friend isn't very happy about Obama either.

[Sundays Man]

Jeez, SM. Just because they put together a nifty red, white, and blue campaign logo, it's somehow unpatriotic? That's disrespectful to Old Glory?

Yes, to me it was and to many other vetrans who have given their all for the flag of this great country. It's the same flag he will be serving as C & C under and representing when he goes to foreign countries. What's wrong with just a plain old blood bought stars and bars like the rest of the political leaders of our country proudly display on their aircraft, etc. I'm not so stupid as to think for a minute that it was not all about perception and publicity. Not a bad idea really in terms of the "change" platform he was running on, but give me break. Some things are sacred and our flag is one of them in most American's eyes, at least those who have served under it or lost loved ones fighting for it or died themselves to preserve it.

[Toodlestoo]

I'm just putting this out there so don't take it the wrong way. Why are whites considered "racists" when they won't vote for a black man without experience but blacks aren't considered racists when they vote for a man just because he's black? 97% of blacks were voting for Obama and I'm sure it's not because of his record. Is that racist?

[TheBadLands]

Thank you, toodlestoo

My point exactly. And the majority of those voters were first time voters. So what stopped them the last several terms?

[Equine_Woman]

Nobody inspired them like Obama did. There is nothing wrong with that. Are you saying it's bad that more people voted?

[TheBadLands]

No I am saying they voted for the wrong reason.

And I am saying if their form of expressing their "inspiration" is screaming at people on the toll road TRYING to go to WORK, because they're white.. and rubbing it in everyone's face ALL FREAKING DAY about their shiny new black president, then I question the authenticity of his election.

I would rather surround myself with 10 good people than gain popularity via 10 million morons.

[Kaitlyn]

I'm not saying it's bad they voted, I'm saying it's bad they voted just because he's black and not because of where he stands on issues, at least, that's the way Cleveland voted and I doubt it was different elsewhere in inner cities.

[Equine_Woman]

Yes, to me it was and to many other veterans who have given their all for the flag of this great country. It's the same flag he will be serving as C & C under and representing when he goes to foreign countries. What's wrong with just a plain old blood bought stars and bars like the rest of the political leaders of our country proudly display on their aircraft, etc. I'm not so stupid as to think for a minute that it was not all about perception and publicity. Not a bad idea really in terms of the "change" platform he was running on, but give me break. Some things are sacred and our flag is one of them in most American's eyes, at least those who have served under it or lost loved ones fighting for it or died themselves to preserve it.

But it's a campaign logo. John McCain's looked like this: http://logovoting.com/img/mccain.gif

According to this source (which is obviously a democrat source)


The O represents Obama and he can use the logo without his name next to it. He’s claiming the O as George W. Bush claimed the W
The blue O and the red stripes represent the flag
The red stripes represent the plains, the American farmland
The O’s whitespace represents the sun, shining over the plains. Because it’s white, it evokes sunrise, not sunset.

I understand what you are saying, I just have to respectfully disagree on this one. I don't feel a campaign logo has to be an American Flag.
Now if Obama tries to turn our flag into that logo we'll both be beating down the door to the white house complaining.

[Sundays Man]

I'm with Jackie B on this and say...
WoW! SM Just WoW!

*jumping off the bench for a minute here*

I for one get beyond PEE'D Off then People judge others based on religion. MAJORILY PEE'D off!!!

What right do ANY of us have to judge ANYONE else on their religious practices besides the fact that Obama is NOT and I repeat NOT a muslim, who gives a flying monkey butt if he was?
Is it because some muslims have been too extreme about their beliefs? Is that why so many people are so arrogant and judgemental about someone being muslim?

How many "Christens","jews" have turned out to be serial killers or psyhcopaths? How many "witches" were hanged because people didn't like their religious practices.

I was born a christen, I do not attend church, I do not believe in organized religion, BUT I would never EVER condem a person baised on their religious practices as long as they are cause no harm to another person or an animal.

It's the people that force their religious beliefs on others that Pi$$ me off, we all have the right to belief what we want to believe, just as we all have the right to debate the president elect.

I'm sorry to jump at you SM, you weren't the only one that used the muslim comment but your pope comment just lit the firecracker under my butt! :mad:

Heck, I love to learn about all religions and all cultures and I for one am glad we are getting a "different" view point into the presidental chair.


*wipes foam from mouth*

I am going back to the bench now and I will try to keep my large rear end there from now on. :p

Number 1. I didn't judge him for his religion...neither did I say he was muslim. As a matter of fact, what I said was neither judgemental or condemning. Just a statement of how I see it. I personally don't care what he is as long as he does his job without the outside influence of "groups" no matter what name they go by. I am a Christian, and I do not judge other's for their beliefs. But don't tell me someone is Christian just to counter an accusation that they are muslim. I personally don't think he is EITHER.

Number 2. All4grace, and I say this with all respect, you aren't born Christian. According to Christian beliefs and doctrine, becoming a Christian is a personal decision you make, sort of like voting for a president only much more important.

Now, I feel some foam forming at the corners of my mouth and my BVD's are wadding up, so I'm joining you All4grace and getting my tail back on the bench before I expose all of my dumbness.

[TheBadLands]

Anyway.. I will have to check on this in a bit. I need to get some stuff done around here and I don't want WB to put me in the corner lol

Just remember.. I have been treated like poop all day and called all sorts of names by Oboma supporters, (and let me tell you white racism goes beyond honkies) and I am mad. And it doesn't help I wasn't happy he won to begin with.

For those of you who don't know what its like to live in such a big city, you're lucky.. and it sucks.

I still love you all.

[Toodlestoo]

To vote for someone just because they are black is racist too. Marting Luther King wanted people to be judged on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Obama, good or bad, was elected because he is a black man. I, personally, don't think a white man with his character and credentials would have won. Just an opinion.

[Sundays Man]

I'm going to have to back JackieB up on this. McCain's logo isn't a flag either. Obama's signifies a new day dawning. (bring on the Hitler comparisons) It's a simple campaign logo. Not a new banner for our country. Sheesh.

McCain's isn't even Red White and Blue!! GASP!! He's so unpatriotic!! (For those of you who are going to be insulted, I'm being very sarcastic. But that one claim was in my opinion a bit over the top. I'm glad SM that you state you disagree with Obama's policies and his past actions and not his color or his religion or his patriotism. But what does his campaign logo have to do with his policies??

And I really do feel for all of you who are having a rough day. I know what it's like to have that feeling in your stomach that the world just changed for the worse. I had it 8 years ago when Bush defeated Gore in the electorial college and I had it 4 years later when Kerry was defeated by Bush as well. I hope that the next four years are better on ya'll than those following years were on me. And since I'm an Obama supporter I of course believe whole heartedly that they will be.

I for one will not stick my tongue out at you or mock your feelings. I just will look forward to the future and hope the person I've voted for lives up to what I believe him to be.

McCains aircraft had on it a large American Flag. Obama had his removed and place a very small (manditory I think) flag next to the aircraft ID number and replaced the large flag with the "big O". I never said anything about it, except to my wife, but it really bothered me....a lot.

[Kaitlyn]

Toodlestoo, I have to agree with you on that.

[Equine_Woman]

To vote for someone just because they are black is racist too. Marting Luther King wanted people to be judged on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Obama, good or bad, was elected because he is a black man. I, personally, don't think a white man with his character and credentials would have won. Just an opinion.

According to wikipedia (which could be off a tiny bit) America is only 12.38% African American. How could only 12.38% of the population be the only reason someone wins office?

[lovesfortune]

what's the point in arguing amongst ourselves like this? what's done is done. For those of you that are happy, great! For those of you that wished McCain would have won, I'm sorry. But nothing can be changed, we can ALL only look towards the next 4 years and see what happens. No ones opinion is going to change... no one that voted for Obama is going to say, I should have voted McCain. No one is going to say, "I voted for McCain, but I'm happy Obama won"...

[Sundays Man]

All4grace...please pass me a coke or ginger ale, this is going to be fun sittin' on the bench. I'm worn out and only played for 20 minutes. Think I'm going to the "Pets" forum. I think we are all taking ourselves toooooo seriously. Me included.

[Toodlestoo]

Toodlestoo, I have to agree with you on that.

Thank you. Don't get me wrong--I hope and pray that Obama will be able to pull us out of this financial crisis and all our other problems we're having. I'm willing to give him a chance. But, some of us who voted for McCain did so because we believed what he stands for and agreed with his principles and philosophies--not because we're racists that couldn't vote for a black man.

[Equine_Woman]

Pats Sunday's Man on the back. I take you seriously too. I think you are an good man.

[Tatesgram]

What right do ANY of us have to judge ANYONE else on their religious practices besides the fact that Obama is NOT and I repeat NOT a muslim, who gives a flying monkey butt if he was?
:p

I do. It's the only religion I know of that believe they should kill people that don't believe as they do. Christians and jews have been made fun of forever. I've read more nun and priest jokes than I can count, I've seen charactures(sp?) of both. You don't see them out killing people for it do you?

However, I don't believe he would have won the election if people truly thought he was muslim.

[FrogInABlender]

...It's the only religion I know of that believe they should kill people that don't believe as they do...

I'm glad you brought that up. I was afraid to. ;) But it's a valid point, at least to me.

And you're right, I don't believe Obama is a Muslim. If he was, he wouldn't be married to the kind of woman that he is. NOBODY is going to walk on Michelle Obama! She'd rip 'em a new one.

[Remali]

I cannot believe people are still talking about religion and race..... What does Muslims killing people have to do with any of this..... So, if religion and race are such a big thing.....I guess we better always elect the "in" religion and the "in" or correct race.... I feel as if I am living back in the 1960's again here..... Who cares what religion someone is and who cares if someone is Polish, or black, or half black, or part French, or whatever....makes totally no sense to me at all.

[Arrow]

So how weird is all this for Joe Biden? He's been a Senator for 36 years, and now he has a whole new job.

[All4Grace]

All4grace...please pass me a coke or ginger ale, this is going to be fun sittin' on the bench. I'm worn out and only played for 20 minutes. Think I'm going to the "Pets" forum. I think we are all taking ourselves toooooo seriously. Me included.

*passes Sm a Ginger Ale* :p


I'm sorry for targeting you and your right I wasn't "born" christian, it was attempted by my grandmother to raise me christian, and up until I was old enough to make my own decisions I would have considered myself "christen". Now I practice faith but not organized religion, I believe in many aspects of many religions and faiths.

You got "singled" out by me, because of the pope comment, sorry. :(
I just used to get bombarded throughout high school and college with what I should believe and what religion I HAVE to believe in that I get a bit touchy when others are questioned and targeted just because of their faiths. I also got nasty looks and rude comments as I "dated" a few african american guys at school, many people didn't approve. So sad....



Hey how about a pizza to go with our sodas?

*dials pizza delievery joint*
Hi can I get a Med Mushroom pizza....Hold on...

Hey guys, what do you want on your pizza?????

[All4Grace]

I do. It's the only religion I know of that believe they should kill people that don't believe as they do. Christians and jews have been made fun of forever. I've read more nun and priest jokes than I can count, I've seen charactures(sp?) of both. You don't see them out killing people for it do you?

However, I don't believe he would have won the election if people truly thought he was muslim.

And you know what Tatesgram... I completely understand where you are coming from on your point. However, honestly how would you feel if everyday you got ripped apart because you believe Jesus is the son of God? It would get old now wouldn't it.
(Just making a point don't hurt me)

Dang it why can't I keep my butt on that darn bench!!
WHERE'S THE SUPERGLUE???

[WashingtonBay]

I've been thinking long and hard before posting this, and what I want to say is hard to express in a quote short enough for any of you to want to read. I'm doing the best I can... I'm quoting Kzeiger but I could have responded to any of the posts about this.

I'm not saying it's bad they voted, I'm saying it's bad they voted just because he's black and not because of where he stands on issues...

They did vote issues. They voted their interests, and they see those interests represented by Barack Obama, largely because he's liberal, and black.

I don't blame them a bit. They have a lot of reason to believe they need him, and liberalism. They've been told so. And they don't know anything else.

They don't understand John McCain or what makes him tick. For that matter, they don't understand Colin Powell or Condi Rice either. In fact, the latter two are thought to be some kind of traitor for daring to not be liberal. But they think they understand this Obama because he's a liberal and he tells them he understands them. He knows what they need.

Now I said before I don't like to talk about race, and I don't. I think it's insulting. I'm talking about culture. A culture that does not know how to achieve and is trapped by dependence. Trapped by the soft racism of low expectations.

It's not easy for a conservative to reach those people. Because we don't have low expectations.

Maybe Obama will have a good impact in the long run. But it won't be because he continues to talk down to them like a paternal provider who pats them on the head and tells them he cares and gives them enough to keep getting by (and keep coming back).

It will have a good impact because some will take notes and say you know... maybe the key to success is not in better programs, they're getting me nowhere but next month.

Maybe the problem is that I need to quit hanging out with all these losers and go to Harvard. Maybe the key is for them to see that they need to be who Obama is, not just get what he has.

THAT is a lot harder to solve than skin color. Skin color's easy. The problem is those who feel most limited by it don't know it's the least of their problems.

[Toodlestoo]

So how weird is all this for Joe Biden? He's been a Senator for 36 years, and now he has a whole new job.


You know, with all the mistakes he's made in his speeches, you gotta love the guy. He seems like someone I would like to know personally. ;)

[Tatesgram]

..... What does Muslims killing people have to do with any of this..... ,

All4grace asked a question and I answered. I didn't say Obama was muslim and I didn't say anything about his race. I hate all the African-American, Asian-American, etc,
if you're American, you're American. Or I would be Irish-Scottish-English-Native American.

[Arrow]

Maybe Obama will have a good impact in the long run. But it won't be because he continues to talk down to them like a paternal provider who pats them on the head and tells them he cares and gives them enough to keep getting by (and keep coming back).

It will have a good impact because some will take notes and say you know... maybe the key to success is not in better programs, they're getting me nowhere but next month.

Maybe the problem is that I need to quit hanging out with all these losers and go to Harvard. Maybe the key is for them to see that they need to be who Obama is, not just get what he has.

THAT is a lot harder to solve than skin color. Skin color's easy.

Exactly. For those who say, why can't we stop talking about race--well, this is a big, huge first step. A black man is president--it can be done, you can do it, now go do it.

[ItsPrimeTime]

It's pathetic that when people don't agree, they want to walk out. (Ex. Obama winning, so people want to 'leave the country'). Is that really how you were raised? To walk out when things got hard? We all have horses, so I know that that isn't the case with them... We have all had hard days with our equine friends, yet we keep coming back. And what happened to never judging a book by its cover? I guess that few out the window with some peoples morals when they found out the final results..:doh:

[Horserider]

*runs* Wait take me with you!!!

Honestly I do not want to be in America right now. I don't trust Democrats or politicians in general, and I definitely do not trust Obama.

All I can pray is that he won't be as bad as we think he'll be. I'm scared of the future. It's not just Obama, but Congress is now Democrat. There's no hope left for most of us and I pray that in 4 years I won't be able to say "I told you so" for the sake of America.

It's pathetic that when people don't agree, they want to walk out. (Ex. Obama winning, so people want to 'leave the country'). Is that really how you were raised? To walk out when things got hard? We all have horses, so I know that that isn't the case with them... We have all had hard days with our equine friends, yet we keep coming back. And what happened to never judging a book by its cover? I guess that few out the window with some peoples morals when they found out the final results..

What are we supposed to do? The country's in the hands of Obama and the Dems right now. If I could I'd leave for Australia right now. Your seeing it in Michigan right now. Houses for sale, everyone's getting out while they still can. Someday soon that's likely to be America. I just hope that we don't all end up suffering if this was a bad decision.

[FrogInABlender]

...honestly how would you feel if everyday you got ripped apart because you believe Jesus is the son of God?...

Just beating a dead horse here, but they're not exactly the same kind of religion. I've got no problem with their believing in their God. I've got a problem with them wanting to kill me and mine because I believe in mine.

[Tatesgram]

And you know what Tatesgram... I completely understand where you are coming from on your point. However, honestly how would you feel if everyday you got ripped apart because you believe Jesus is the son of God? It would get old now wouldn't it.
(Just making a point don't hurt me)


Thanks, no hurting anyone here, or not on purpose. But you know what, I have worked in places that dished it out plenty because I didn't believe as they did. And I don't believe that organized religion is the only religion. Shoot go to two different Baptist churchs and you'll get two different perspectives. I believe it is up to the individual to read the Bible and form their own opinions. And someone more knowledgeable than me can help me out here, but I beleive the Bible tells us to do just that. :)

[Horseless]

Oh for crying out loud................do some research would you? Start with Snopes.com.

As for the quote from Horseless about knowing anything about Muslims and choosing significant names.............are you for real?
Don't Jews, Catholics and other religions do the same thing? Maybe it is you that needs to learn a little about other religions before you spout out your butt.:p


yep you are right and thats exactly what I was getting at.
Someone said he's not muslim, then why have a Muslim name if your NOT Muslim.
Because Barack Obama , is a Muslim name.

[FrogInABlender]

...Maybe Obama will have a good impact in the long run. But it won't be because he continues to talk down to them like a paternal provider who pats them on the head and tells them he cares and gives them enough to keep getting by (and keep coming back)

It will have a good impact because some will take notes and say you know... maybe the key to success is not in better programs, they're getting me nowhere but next month.

Maybe the problem is that I need to quit hanging out with all these losers and go to Harvard. Maybe the key is for them to see that they need to be who Obama is, not just get what he has....

:clap::clap::clap:

That was the most well-worded post I've seen in ages! WELL DONE!!!

[WashingtonBay]

Prime Time, you have to catch up. You're still in last night. ;)

[cloedoll]

then why have a Muslim name if your NOT Muslim.

Because you can, I don't believe there's a law against it...

[Remali]

Well gee horseless, I have a French name but I am not French. So is that a bad thing??!!

All4Grace.....I'm more than ready for pizza!! :)

[Tatesgram]

:clap::clap::clap:

That was the most well-worded post I've seen in ages! WELL DONE!!!

Yeah, she thinks before she speaks...er...types ;).

[WashingtonBay]

*runs* Wait take me with you!!!

Honestly I do not want to be in America right now. I don't trust Democrats or politicians in general, and I definitely do not trust Obama.


What are we supposed to do? The country's in the hands of Obama and the Dems right now. If I could I'd leave for Australia right now. Your seeing it in Michigan right now. Houses for sale, everyone's getting out while they still can. Someday soon that's likely to be America. I just hope that we don't all end up suffering if this was a bad decision.

Horserider... Now I have to apologize for what I just said to Prime Time.

Get a grip. You're afraid of Democrats? Exactly what do you expect to find in Australia. A less liberal government?

Yes, conservatives are all pissed off and a few are even afraid of events to come. But oppressed refugees we are not. Just free people who resent very much the creeping effect of more and more government.

Be afraid. But don't think you'll find better anywhere else.

[Toodlestoo]

I can't fault him for his name--I don't particularly like my maiden name but I was born with it. Also, maybe his father was a muslim, but that doesn't make him one. I was raised Catholic but my brother is an athiest. We get to choose what we believe in. Like he said in a speech, "obviously my mother didn't know I was going to run for president of the USA when she gave me the middle name, Hussein"!

[pandorasmom]

To save alot of typing and rereading(for those that are reading this) I'll just ditto what's already been said.

I have to agree with most everything that Sunday's Man, WB, Menagerie, Horseless, and Tatesgram has said. (Sorry if I missed anyone else who was making sense)

I for one will not support him, at all. I will not refer to him as MY President Barack Hussein Obama. When I talk about him (which will be as little as possible, because it really makes me sick), I'll call him what I feel he is. For me, he will never be MY President. He is not the President of what I consider my Home, the USA. Call him what you want, but the way I see it, if a sheep's white call it white. Call it for what it is, not what you think it is.

If I wanted to support him I would've voted for him. However, since I choose not to vote for him, that's a pretty good indication that I DON'T support him and never will.

[Arrow]

yep you are right and thats exactly what I was getting at.
Someone said he's not muslim, then why have a Muslim name if your NOT Muslim.
Because Barack Obama , is a Muslim name.

I totally can't figure you out, Horseless. I've tended to think of you as a funny court jester just out to have fun. Perhaps though I'm overestimating you badly.

[starkitten]

To save alot of typing and rereading(for those that are reading this) I'll just ditto what's already been said.

I have to agree with most everything that Sunday's Man, WB, Menagerie, and Tatesgram has said. (Sorry if I missed anyone else who was making sense)

I for one will not support him, at all. I will not refer to him as MY President Barack Hussein Obama. When I talk about him (which will be as little as possible, because it really makes me sick), I'll call him what I feel he is. For me, he will never be MY President. He is not the President of what I consider my Home, the USA. Call him what you want, but the way I see it, if a sheep's white call it white. Call it for what it is, not what you think it is.

If I wanted to support him I would've voted for him. However, since I choose not to vote for him, that's a pretty good indication that I DON'T support him and never will.

This is the kind of thing that is concerning to me. I would support whomever was our president and I would expect that as Americans we do. I would be expected to back McCain if he was elected and I would as that is our system. I might not agree with everything on the agenda, but dividing our nation is not the way to go about it.

[Toodlestoo]

This is the kind of thing that is concerning to me. I would support whomever was our president and I would expect that as Americans we do. I would be expected to back McCain if he was elected and I would as that is our system. I might not agree with everything on the agenda, but dividing our nation is not the way to go about it.


Well said!

[cloedoll]

Pandorasmom, I'm curious, what do you think he is?

[pandorasmom]

Ya know, maybe we should divide our nation. My dad suggested that and I think it sounds like a good idea. Have the west half have Obama as their President (Yuck...I even hate the sound of calling him that), and have the east half have McCain as their President. Will give you 2 yrs. with Obama and see how many people are wanting to come across our borders and be under McCain. No neither one of them are the best, but I surely know out of the two who I think would be better.

[Tatesgram]

This is the kind of thing that is concerning to me. I would support whomever was our president and I would expect that as Americans we do. I would be expected to back McCain if he was elected and I would as that is our system. I might not agree with everything on the agenda, but dividing our nation is not the way to go about it.

As long as our gripes are kept here. I hate it when celebs go to other countries and bad mouth our country or our president.

Me and my sibs might have fought constantly at home, but outside of it, we stood together. You took on one, you took on all six.

I don't like him and I probably will never refer to him as "my president", but I will defend the fact that he was elected by the majority.

[starkitten]

Ya know, maybe we should divide our nation. My dad suggested that and I think it sounds like a good idea. Have the west half have Obama as their President (Yuck...I even hate the sound of calling him that), and have the east half have McCain as their President. Will give you 2 yrs. with Obama and see how many people are wanting to come across our borders and be under McCain. No neither one of them are the best, but I surely know out of the two who I think would be better.

All I can do here is this :rolleyes: Another Civil war doesn't sound like a good idea to me - I for one love my countrymen whether DEM or REP. I think we need all our views to stay well rounded.

[pandorasmom]

The seperating I'm talking about wouldn't cause a war.
I'm saying simply, put all the people who voted for Obama on the west half of the nation and all the people who voted for McCain on the east half of the nation. I'm not saying let's have a fight about it. I'm saying we'll let both Obama and McCain treat each half of the nation as if it was the entire USA. Then see how things went.
Is that to confusing of an illustration?

[WashingtonBay]

All I can do here is this :rolleyes: Another Civil war doesn't sound like a good idea to me - I for one love my countrymen whether DEM or REP. I think we need all our views to stay well rounded.

And this, Pandora will find is the problem in trying to form any revolution. The need to convince other people to follow you! :)

Not easy when people have it as good as they do here.

[WashingtonBay]

The seperating I'm talking about wouldn't cause a war.
I'm saying simply, put all the people who voted for Obama on the west half of the nation and all the people who voted for McCain on the east half of the nation. I'm not saying let's have a fight about it. I'm saying we'll let both Obama and McCain treat each half of the nation as if it was the entire USA. Then see how things went.
Is that to confusing of an illustration?

Well for starters, you've giving away the best part of the country, the one with the resources, the beauty, the available real estate, the better weather, and you're wanting me to give all this up to live on the side that has too much development, no resources, not as much pretty scenery left, and to top it off, hurricanes and tornadoes.

So no deal. It' ain't that easy ;)

[Vegashorselady]

Ya know, maybe we should divide our nation. My dad suggested that and I think it sounds like a good idea. Have the west half have Obama as their President (Yuck...I even hate the sound of calling him that), and have the east half have McCain as their President. Will give you 2 yrs. with Obama and see how many people are wanting to come across our borders and be under McCain. No neither one of them are the best, but I surely know out of the two who I think would be better.

Whoa there! I live on the west half and I didn't vote for Obama...and I'm not moving, I won't, I won't, I won't! Lol.

You know, I figure we lived through 8 years of Bill Clinton, the Dems lived through 8 years of George Bush and now we have to endure 4 (hopefully only 4;)) years of Obama. Nothing is going to make everyone 100 percent happy. The great thing about this country is that we'll get a chance to change things again in 4 years if we don't like it.

[starkitten]

I'll bow out now PanorasMom - the too confusing comment was a bit rude(I am not a stupid person, but won't get into that with you) - which is why I don't really like to discuss my polictical belief too much.... I have respect for others views and I guess I am too stupid to understand yours - whatever.... I stand by my statement that dividing the nation is wrong wrong wrong...

[Sundays Man]

*passes Sm a Ginger Ale* :p


I'm sorry for targeting you and your right I wasn't "born" christian, it was attempted by my grandmother to raise me christian, and up until I was old enough to make my own decisions I would have considered myself "christen". Now I practice faith but not organized religion, I believe in many aspects of many religions and faiths.

You got "singled" out by me, because of the pope comment, sorry. :(
I just used to get bombarded throughout high school and college with what I should believe and what religion I HAVE to believe in that I get a bit touchy when others are questioned and targeted just because of their faiths. I also got nasty looks and rude comments as I "dated" a few african american guys at school, many people didn't approve. So sad....



Hey how about a pizza to go with our sodas?/

*dials pizza delievery joint*
Hi can I get a Med Mushroom pizza....Hold on...

Hey guys, what do you want on your pizza?????

Thanks All4grace. I LOVE Ginger Ale, especially Buffalo Rock or Red Rock. And don't you ever feel like you have to explain yourself or apologize to me....you can't hurt my feelings. And the only reason I pointed out the fact that you aren't born Christian was to let you know that as long as you draw breath, it's not to late to make that decision. I would never criticize you or try to force you to make that decision, but it's never too late if your life should take a different course.

Pizza is GREAT....I'm traveling this week and I just scarfed down about 8 pounds of "the works". I'll pay for that about 2 a.m. LOL.

Where the heck is HORSELESS when we need a little comedy!!!??? Sundays Man adjusts the cushion on "the bench".

[Toodlestoo]

Well for starters, you've giving away the best part of the country, the one with the resources, the beauty, the available real estate, the better weather, and you're wanting me to give all this up to live on the side that has too much development, no resources, not as much pretty scenery left, and to top it off, hurricanes and tornadoes.

So no deal. It' ain't that easy ;)

Obviously, you've never been to NW Pennsylvania!

[pandorasmom]

LOL WB!

If you can pick the right spot, there's some gorgegous scenery. I've got pictures to prove it.
Once we get some of the people who voted for Obama out west, then we'll have plenty of real estate.
The weather has it's ups and downs. Knock on wood though where I live we've had just a couple tornadoes in the past 20 yrs or so. Around us has had more, but we actually haven't.
Even if we divided and put the McCain people on the West Side and the Obama people on the East Side, I still would like to see it be like that.
I kinda would like to keep my South though. How about we put all the Obama people up North then? You could keep your West coast beauty, and I could keep my Southern Heritage.

[WashingtonBay]

Obviously, you've never been to NW Pennsylvania!

Can we ALL fit there? :) I don't think it's big enough. :cowboy: