Obama and NAIS [Archive] - Baywind Farm Horse Forum

Hobo

11-06-2008, 05:43 PM

Then you need to look at his listed choices for the Secretary of Agriculture position.

This man is one of the top of Obama's short list for the position. this man has sponsered NUMEROUS bills in order to MAKE NAIS mandatory. And he's on Obama's short list.

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), chairman of the House Agriculture Committee, is the driving force behind NAIS and believes NAIS should be mandatory with every animal in the United States. Over the next 2 1/2 years the USDA had hoped to get 100 percent of premises registered.
In an interview to Inside Washington Today, Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), the ranking member of the House Agriculture Committee, who will become the Chairman of the Committee if the Democrats recapture the House, had this to say about NAIS.

-- Animal identification (ID): "From the start we have worked for an exemption for farmers via the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act. I have sponsored two bills – one to set up a mandatory animal ID system based on the FAIR system that the [Ag] Department actually financed. In that, there was a FOI exemption. I introduced another bill with just the FOI exemption. And I got Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.) to cosponsor it with me. But Davis was basically reigned in by the House leadership because this is a way to stop it. If they don't allow the FOI exemption to pass, then they can use this as an excuse not to do it (mandatory animal ID)."

In March, Congressman Collin Peterson of Minnesota announced that he intends to combine mandatory NAIS and Country of Origin Labeling (COOL). As Chair of the House Committee on Agriculture, Congressman Peterson is in a critical position. In May, the subcommittee included a provision in the draft 2007 Farm Bill that would allow the USDA to use mandatory animal identification to implement COOL, changing the current prohibition on linking the two programs.

This is quite serious and if Obama choses this man to head the Department of Agriculture, we WILL SEE mandatory animal ID very soon.

pandorasmom

11-06-2008, 05:52 PM

This is what I'm afraid of, simply put.

We have goats, 2 llamas, and Pandora (as livestock).

All I can say is, I have read gazillions of articles on the NAIS, and before ANY state person steps a foot on my property he/she will sign a paper, and will be videoed. I have read of a person who did this, and it was amazing that the state person left.
I refuse to just give in without a fight. I will refuse to!

Hobo

11-06-2008, 06:01 PM

One guy who is the total polar opposite of Petterson is also named. Maybe we should mob Obama's website with e-mails in support of this guy.

NFU opposes Animal ID program
Monday, April 24, 2006, 2:16 PM

by Gary Truitt

The National Animal ID Program being proposed by USDA is being criticized by the National Farmers Union (NFU). President Tom Buis told Brownfield the government is headed down the wrong track. “They are headed for a disaster,” said Buis. He was particularly critical of the use of a public/private database system to track the movement of livestock.
Buis feels allowing private firms to profit from the creation and use of the database system is wrong. “I think they should go back to the drawing board and start over,” he suggested. The USDA has set a goal of having the system on line by 2007 and fully operational by 2009.

SuperSTB

11-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Hmmm. I haven't really given much thought to NAIS in a while. Someone want to catch me up on the latest goings on.

I'm one of those fence sitters on the issue.

twofingers

11-07-2008, 12:02 AM

http://nonais.org/ there are links to the California NO/NAIS

Miracle Whip

11-09-2008, 12:06 PM

Hoe are they going to enforce it? I understood once that you'd have to file a flight plan to go on a trail ride. Who is going to check my paperwork to make sure that I own the horses and that they are vaccinated? That the registration on my truck is up to date? Is it that horrible of a thing? I doubt there would be the manpower to truely enforce it, so we could get away with not reporting short trips and for longer trips is it such a bad thing, in case there was an accident? If the cops held us responsible for not maintaining our trailers properly...no one has ever looked at my trailer ever....what would happen? My horses would be safer?

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 12:15 PM

The way I see it is they are wanting to make you report almost any wind your horse, or other livestock lets. They are even going as far as if you raise crops on your property, to make you send in forms (that cost money) so they know your growing crops for your own.

I don't know who's going to be checking your paperwork, but it's the government, they'll find some crummy way to weasle in your life anyway they can. My critters are up to date on their vaccines,wormers,etc. They are well fed and well taken care of. They never leave my property (unless I'm taking one to get a rabies vaccine from vet,etc.) I need no state idiot coming in here telling me they want me to tell them every fart I or my animals make, or that my animals need to be tagged,etc. I've got proof of what tags do, and refuse to put my goats through tagging. It's udderly(no pun intended) ridiculous.

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 12:24 PM

for longer trips is it such a bad thing, in case there was an accident?

And I highly doubt they are going to go looking for you if you take a long trip somewheres and don't return. They could probably careless if you were in an accident, it's nothing that's going to hinder or hurt them. Just you and your family.

They aren't going to be watching out for you. Period. They don't care about you.

Miracle Whip

11-09-2008, 02:57 PM

mouse

11-09-2008, 03:18 PM

Thanks for electing this guy

You're welcome :rolleyes:

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 04:54 PM

Yeah but the local officials might be able to identify my body if I was in a wreck? Stop thinking of yourself. There are so many SLOPPY animal owners that DON'T take care of their animals that it might be a good thing. Why can't you tag your goats? I worm my pony and she hates wormer with a passion and fights tooth and nail but I do it because someone told me I should. Maybe it would do something about the horse overpopulation. Heck I don't know. Since the government is bankrupt already I'm guessing they are more interested in my retirement plan than my farm, stop counting the chickens before they fall from the sky. Better yet, someone make friends with Obama and take him on a few trail rides and whatnot and get him on our side....

First off, I'm not thinking of JUST myself. So don't even start with that.
I'm talking about every small farm owner out here, who couldn't afford it. Whether money wise, the headache, forms, whatever. It would put the small farm owners out of business and leave it to large farms to run.
Secondly, I volunteer for a rescue, so don't even think for one minute I'm not aware of sloppy animal owners out here. Why doesn't the government crack down on those idiots who are sloppy animal owners, not those who take care of their animals, with no thought of themselves. I could be the poorest person around, and I'd go as far as to not take care of myself if it meant my animals being taken care of.
Some of the animals that come into the rescue are plum awful in the lack of care they've recieved. The only people this will hurt is the good honest people out here. Those who do take care of their animals, and make sure they get what they need.

Next, Wormer and tagging goats? Your comparing apples and oranges now. Worming your pony and tagging goats, are two TOTALLY different topics. They don't even share anything in common.
I'm not saying I can't tag my goats, I'm saying simply I won't. For the record we purchased 2 goats with tags in their ears. BOTH of them, have gotten the tag snagged on something (tree branch, log,etc.) and have ripped it out. Would you like a grusome image of what a torn half way hanging ear looks like? I don't think so. One of the two ripped his ear completely in half. He now has 1 whole ear, and 1 half ear. The other one ripped a zig zag line down her ear and has half hanging on and the other not. Both of these tagged goats, were tagged because of the state. Goverment once again doing something they should leave along.

You worm your pony because someone said to. Does this mean because someone says jump off a cliff you do it? No, I'm not saying you shouldn't worm your pony. I worm my horse on a regular schedule. But I'm saying because someone says to do it, doesn't mean you do everything they say.

Doing something about the horse overpopulation. The only thing it may do is send more horses to slaughter/auctions. Especially if people are taking care of their horses, but are sick of dealing with the forms,money throwing out,etc. that will be involved with the NAIS. If so, they may take the horses to the slaughter/auction and be done with them. I'm not saying they will I'm saying they could.

Talk about counting chickens before they fall from the sky. Please! I'm not counting chickens, or anything else, I'm saying what they have said would happen with the NAIS. Do some research on it, and you'll read some things you didn't know where in the fine print. Funny how when the government doesn't want you finding something out till after it happened, they'll put it in the smallest of print. I know a lady who was signed up for the NAIS involuntarily. They told her they were sending her some tags,etc. and that they would sign her up for the PIN number. Little did they tell her at that time it was the NAIS. Now that's she signed up for it, she can't back out. Once your signed up, your there.

For anyone that tries to make friends with Obama. I pity them! I wouldn't take him on a trail ride if my life depended on it. Why don't someone sit down and "negotiate" with him, like he wants to do with the terroists, who would like nothing better then a free chance to get into the USA and behead us all. Wonderful! When you sit down with Obama and take him on trail rides, you let me know how it turns out.

Also, They would be able to identify your body odds are without even knowing your out there because you told the government where your going. How many years have they identified people in wrecks, though the government didn't know who was out there? How many other people would be out on the road that weekend too, with their trailers and horses? Come on already.

The only thing I'm saying is, I'm not just going to sit here and take it, if there's something I can do to prevent it. If we all sit back and do nothing (which is the case with half of America now) we'll eventually be no man's country, which is where Obama's might be taking us as it is.

Miracle Whip

11-09-2008, 05:02 PM

Wow. SO young and yet so negative. Ok, I will check out your NAIS.

How come cows don't rip their ears? Or pigs? Just curious. I did a google search on NAIS and here it is - this is negative HOW??

To protect the health of U.S. livestock and poultry and the economic well-being of those industries, we must be able to quickly and effectively trace an animal disease to its source.
When a disease outbreak occurs, animal health officials need to know:

Which animals are involved in a disease outbreak
Where the infected animals are currently located
What other animals might have been exposed to the disease
By choosing to participate in NAIS, you will join a national disease response network built to protect your animals, your neighbors, and your economic livelihood against the devastation of a foreign animal disease outbreak.

Take the first step - Register your premises today!

WashingtonBay

11-09-2008, 05:09 PM

Cows and pigs do rip their ears. But they have a pretty short life span, usually, and they're not pets, so no one really cares if they have torn ears.

Miracle Whip

11-09-2008, 05:18 PM

I had a pet calf. Cows can live quite some time actually. We had a small herd and had several older cows. One was blind and my sister milked her.

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 05:27 PM

I'm 19 yrs old., and I'm not negative in things that are postive. It's things that are negative that I'm negative against.
Tell me one thing:
What has the government ever done for you or gave you, when they didn't take it from someone else or you?

Some people out here have to figure things out on their own, so I guess you can figure it out on your own.

Oh and just as an FYI, It's not MY NAIS. Trust me, if it was my way, there'd be no dealing with NAIS for no one. It's not only going to hurt small farmers, but individuals who have just a dog, or cat. Right now it's just livestock, it's coming to dogs and cats.
Once the devil slides his foot in the door, he tries to slide the rest. And most of the time people let him.

Cows AND Pigs do rip their ears. My mom when she was growing up doctored on several pig ears who had had their tags ripped off. The pigs would pull at each others tags and rip them. It CAN happen.
Would you appreciate your ponies ear being tagged? Right now they are saying they won't tag horses ears, but what if they do?
Once they get done tagging animals, what's to say they won't tag(brand them,microchip,etc.) people? It's coming.

Read the book Mad Sheep by Linda Fallice. It gives you a insight on something you don't want to happen to you.

Have you ever read the story about the pigs that supposedly had pseudorabies?

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 05:35 PM

I did a google search on NAIS and here it is - this is negative HOW??

To protect the health of U.S. livestock and poultry and the economic well-being of those industries, we must be able to quickly and effectively trace an animal disease to its source.
When a disease outbreak occurs, animal health officials need to know:

Which animals are involved in a disease outbreak
Where the infected animals are currently located
What other animals might have been exposed to the disease
By choosing to participate in NAIS, you will join a national disease response network built to protect your animals, your neighbors, and your economic livelihood against the devastation of a foreign animal disease outbreak.

Take the first step - Register your premises today!

Okay, see most people are naive enough to believe that. They want you to believe that. Your one of the ones that are. I'm sure you probably got that off the USDA's website, or the NAIS website. Check out: nonais.org

I don't have a problem with them trying to limit the disease outbreaks, but if you read everything in the "fine print" so to speak, you see what else will be happening with it. It's all one more way of then gaining control over you. Reporting everytime you take your animal somewheres is retarded. I understand at these auctions/slaughterhouses, reporting where they came from, but not on our own farms. Where we raise our own animals, and crops. If I want to take my horse out on a trail ride, it should be for me to do as I wish, and go where I wish. Let me add in here this, so no one thinks I'm for trespassing: as long as you have permission to go on some else's property. I shouldn't have to report to someone where I'm going, when I return, or any other garbage. That's ridiculous.

WashingtonBay

11-09-2008, 05:40 PM

Summer, I'm not talking about how long they CAN live, I'm talking about how long most are kept alive. Most of them are food before their first birthday, in the case of pigs. Maybe second for most cattle.

But it's really neither here nor there.

Miracle Whip

11-09-2008, 05:45 PM

So were some horses (food I mean) once upon a time. I don't know Pandora, it sure sounds like you are death on this. I mean, who is going to turn you in if you didn't file a flight plan before the trailride? Who is going to enforce it? I do agree with one thing, its going to be our tax money that pays for the poor fools at the trail head scanning our paperwork!!!

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 05:52 PM

Death on this? Someone's got to stand up for what's right. If we all coward down to the government, they'd get their way no matter way. I for one ain't going to just give in. I'm sorry, but I was raised to stand up for what I believe in, and not sit back and do nothing. For many years people have done nothing and look at where we are now.
I'm not saying anyone's going to turn me in, but I'm going to do my best to fight it, so I don't have to think about someone doing that. I'm sure they'd do their best to enforce it in anyway possible.

WashingtonBay

11-09-2008, 05:54 PM

I'm 'death' on it too. Not only do I not want to pay for the enormous bureaucracy it will take to manage the mountains of data they want to track, I do not want to be turned into a criminal for going on a trail ride without telling the feds.

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 05:56 PM

i'm 'death' on it too. Not only do i not want to pay for the enormous bureaucracy it will take to manage the mountains of data they want to track, i do not want to be turned into a criminal for going on a trail ride without telling the feds.

exactly!

Hobo

11-09-2008, 06:03 PM

Why Oppose NAIS?
Before you call your legislator, make a few notes about what you want to say so you can be brief and to the point. Below are some ideas you might choose from, but for heaven’s sake don’t try to cover them all. Staffers typically have only a few minutes to take your call, so be prepared to make the two or three points most important to you.

1. NAIS is not an effective way to stop animal disease.

a. It does not address the cause, treatment, or transmission of disease.

b. It does not significantly improve on current methods for identification and tracking.

2. NAIS will not improve food safety.

a. USDA itself has stated NAIS is not a food safety program.

b. Contamination of food with E. coli, salmonella, and other bacteria occurs at the slaughterhouses and afterward, while NAIS stops before that point.

3. NAIS is expensive and will hurt our economy.

a. Estimated costs from other countries range from $37 to $69 per animal. With more than one hundred million cattle, and millions more horses, sheep, goats, and other livestock, NAIS could cost billions of dollars

b. These expenses include the cost of tags, tagging and reader equipment, hardware, software, time, and labor.

c. These expenses will ultimately be paid through increased taxes and increased costs for food, fueling inflation and harming the entire economy.

4. The costs of NAIS will unfairly burden pet owners, hobby farmers, small-scale farmers, and sustainable producers. These animal owners will face higher costs than industrial producers because of economies of scale and because USDA has structured the program in their favor. Factory farms of poultry and hogs, for example, will get group identification numbers, but pastured poultry producers must tag each chicken.

5. NAIS will make us more vulnerable to terrorism, not less.

a. It will drive many farmers out of business, increasing consolidation of our food supply, thus increasing the risk of widespread accidental or intentional contamination.

b. The mandated electronic tags may be cloned, destroyed, infected with computer viruses, and reprogrammed to new numbers.

c. The database containing our personal and farm information will provide a target for hackers.

6. Our limited resources, both government and private, would be better spent on preventive measures, including:

a. Better inspection of imported food and animals.

b. Better enforcement of regulations on food processing, where most contamination occurs.

c. Increased testing, both in live animals and food products.

7. NAIS infringes on our constitutional rights, including due process, privacy, and religious freedom.

To protect the health of U.S. livestock and poultry and the economic well-being of those industries, we must be able to quickly and effectively trace an animal disease to its source.
When a disease outbreak occurs, animal health officials need to know:

Hobo

11-09-2008, 06:04 PM

But the Entire problem with this "national database of livestock" and disease control rests in how they are treating the issue of mad cow.

The problem with mad cow is how are they going to track the disease if they refuse to allow testing FOR it? USDA has scaled BACK the number of animals they test for the disease, Banned a slaughter house from doing their own testing for the disease and then fought that slaughter house in court when they filed a lawsuit.

How can you track a disease that they refuse to test for? How can they call this program a disease tracking program if they refuse to attempt to locate the diseases that need to be tracked? Seriously this is really nothing more then controlling the human food supply and controlling who has animals.

To protect the health of U.S. livestock and poultry and the economic well-being of those industries, we must be able to quickly and effectively trace an animal disease to its source.
When a disease outbreak occurs, animal health officials need to know:

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 06:06 PM

How can you track a disease that they refuse to test for? How can they call this program a disease tracking program if they refuse to attempt to locate the diseases that need to be tracked? Seriously this is really nothing more then controlling the human food supply and controlling who has animals.

Once again, I agree. Well said.

Hobo

11-09-2008, 06:43 PM

R-CALF USA’s TOP 10 REASONS to OPPOSE NAIS’ PREMISES REGISTRATION
1. Registering a premises with the Federal government without receiving just compensation
constitutes a voluntary surrender of any constitutional rights – right of property and
freedom from unreasonable governmental searches – associated with registered premises.
2. Registering a premises with the Federal government without receiving just compensation
constitutes a voluntary submission to any invasion of private property rights and
government intrusion into private business operations associated registered premises.
3. Registering a premises without entering into a contract that expressly limits the Federal
government’s authority over the premises may result in subjecting the premises and its
registrant to any and all future rules, regulations and policies that the Federal government
may later decide to impose on such registrants.
4. Registering a premises under the guise of protecting against the spread of Foreign
Animal Diseases effectively gives the Federal government a license to abandon the most
effective means of preventing Foreign Animal Diseases in the first place – disallowing
imports from disease-affected countries.
5. Registering a premises without entering into a contract that expressly prohibits the
Federal government from allowing access to premises information could subject the
registrant to unwanted exposure to other Federal and state agencies and animal rights
extremists.
6. Registering a premises could result in greater legal exposure of cattle producers for
events that occur after the registrant’s cattle leave the farm or ranch.
7. Registering a premises would result in the voluntary inclusion of the registrants’ farm,
ranch, home, and cattle to a general system of permanent registration of personal property
that currently is only applicable to items that could be highly dangerous if misused –
automobiles and guns.
8. A registered premises alone provides no greater disease trace-back potential than simply
knowing the owner of the animal or animals in question . . . unless there is far more to the
Federal government’s plan than to simply obtain registered premises.
9. Premises registration is the foundational building block needed by the Federal
government to immediately implement a full-scale, mandatory National Animal
Identification System (NAIS), with little to no input from cattle producers.
10. Voluntary premises registration sends a strong signal to the Federal government that U.S.
cattle producers give the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) a high approval rating
for all the agency’s policies and actions that impact U.S. cattle producers – it
demonstrates that U.S. cattle producers have the utmost faith and trust in the USDA’s
past, present and future actions.
R-CALF USA does not support USDA’s aggressive efforts to register U.S. livestock premises.
For more information, call 406-252-2516, or visit www.r-calfusa.com.

Gem's Mom

11-09-2008, 07:06 PM

ok, I have to ask... how on earth does NAIS infringe religious freedom?

I was also wondering if tags worn on collars were acceptable ways to tag goats? I work on a dairy and we ear tag but I've seen ads in dairy magazines for neck tags for the cows so I wondered if they have them for goats too.

Anywho, I'd get more into this but I'm off to milk cows!

Hobo

11-09-2008, 07:17 PM

http://www.agriview.com/articles/2005/09/15/capitol_news/producer04.txt
Animal identification

Amish are opposed to electronic registration of any kind. They believe the current system of tattoos, branding, back tags at the time of slaughter and metal vaccination clips are an efficient and workable system.

http://www.rfidgazette.org/2006/09/how_rfid_affect.html

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2005/09/24/news/02amish.txt

Amish balk at tagging livestock, call it 'the mark of the beast'
By CHRIS BALDUS | La Crosse Tribune

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It's the "Mark of the Beast," say Amish farmers, and they want nothing to do with it.

"The Amish's feeling is premises registration may be step one of a five-step project that may lead to the tagging and tracking of adults and children," said David Matthes, state chairman of the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America.
The state is requiring anyone raising livestock to register their premises, regardless of the operation's size. The consortium of livestock industry groups handling the registration says it's the first of three steps to create a national tracking system to help contain, within 48 hours, breakouts of diseases like mad cow or foot and mouth.

"(The Amish say) it is the beginning of the mark of the beast, and our Bible has told us of the mark of the beast," said Matthes, who met with Amish from across the state at a Cashton farm Sept. 12 at their request. They asked for help in giving voice to their objections, he said.

And as for the tags you would be REQUIRED to place the Tag where the USDA demands it weather you like it or not.

ok, I have to ask... how on earth does NAIS infringe religious freedom?

I was also wondering if tags worn on collars were acceptable ways to tag goats?

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 07:19 PM

Tags on collars for goats isn't acceptable in my opinion.
Goats could easily get their horns hung in one anothers collars, could get it hung on a tree branch,log, limb,etc., could rip the tag off and still be tagless,etc. There's various ways that I see it not working.
I don't know why so many are for tagging. It's sad!

Here's a picture of one of the goats who has half a ear thanks to our state and government idiots.
Proof he had a tag:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d154/summershadowfarm/DSCF6122.jpg

And now without a tag and only half a ear:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d154/summershadowfarm/DSCF6853.jpg
Hard to see it in that pic, but I don't have my other pics on here. They are on my external harddrive.

Grusome warning:
Incase it matters, after he got his ear caught on whatever he did, and ripped it, I had to cut off the remainder of his ear. He had one lil' section hanging by a string like area. I had to cut if off. If you think tags are the next best thing to whatever, think again. I don't think you'd have liked hearing him baa his lungs out because his ear was hurting him so bad. No he's not bothered by his ear now as far as pain or hurting, but it's the fact that had he not have been tagged before we got him, he wouldn't have had to have his ear chopped in half.

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 07:20 PM

And as for the tags you would be REQUIRED to place the Tag where the USDA demands it weather you like it or not.

See, that's my point exactly. I don't think tag collaring a goat would be acceptable. It would be their way or the highway, and you could take the highway and they wouldn't care. They are huge control freaks!

shewasmyshadow

11-09-2008, 08:02 PM

I'm totally against NAIS. That was one of my core issues on which I based my voting choice. The waters were muddy this election, but when I backed away and viewed my core issues, and the candidates voting records on these issues, the waters were clear. They can keep their filthy paws off my private property. Animals included.

pandorasmom

11-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Gliderider

11-09-2008, 08:32 PM

I to say Death on NAIS

mare

11-09-2008, 08:45 PM

Thanks for posting all the great information on NAIS. We in rural communities haven't faced anything like this attack on our personal freedoms before.

I have received forms from the Feds requesting information on my animals and any areas they might be in and although there is a threat at the bottom saying I have to provide the information I never have. No one in ranching that I know does either.

I think the idea of swamping Obama for the one possible secretary of Ag is a good idea. I hope.

Remali

11-09-2008, 09:12 PM

NAIS has not even been implemented.

mtnmollie

11-09-2008, 09:28 PM

I don't know Pandora, it sure sounds like you are death on this. I mean, who is going to turn you in if you didn't file a flight plan before the trailride? Who is going to enforce it? I do agree with one thing, its going to be our tax money that pays for the poor fools at the trail head scanning our paperwork!!!

They only want one person at a time.

Tracking movement is very important in Russia.

mtnmollie

11-09-2008, 09:33 PM

NAIS has not even been implemented.

Its just a rumer- but they tell me Idaho farms have been signed up automatically.

The law comes before the enforcement.
Certified hay on National Forest is one example; (of the law before enforcement.)

mare

11-09-2008, 09:48 PM

NAIS has not even been implemented.

True. But these questionaires asking this type of information have been going out for several years to ranchers. I don't know about farmers. I wonder if the low response to the forms has anything to do with the development of NAIS? I have never had anyone show up at my place. At least not when I've been there, but some claim they have.

Hobo

11-09-2008, 09:55 PM

What fantasy Island have you been living on?

Colorado and NAIS - 2008

The Colorado State Fair Board is currently requiring children to register in NAIS in order to participate in the state fair.

Mandatory Tagging of Dairy Cows Will Go Into Effect March 2008

In May 2007, the Texas Animal Health Commission (TAHC) proposed a regulation to require that all dairy cattle be identified with an "official device or device approved by the Commssion." FARFA sent out an action alert and submitted comments to the agency opposing adoption of the regulation. At the September TAHC meeting, the Commissioners voted to approve the regulation despite the objections raised by FARFA and dozens of Texans. After additional protests, implementation was delayed until January 1.

FARFA filed a petition to change the rule, but TAHC denied the petition at its September 2007 meeting. The agency did extend the deadline for implementation until March 30, 2008. Although the agency is stating that it will allow multiple forms of identification to be used, the rule leaves the decision as to what type of tag to require entirely within the agency's discretion, and they can change their minds anytime they want to.

We can petition and comment to the agency, but the agency is under no legal duty to do anything different than what they have planned. The bottom line is that we need the Texas Legislature to rein in the agency's legal authority through legislation. The next legislative session is 12 months away, but the Senate and House Committees on Agriculture will hold hearings during 2008 on a variety of issues. So it's a good time to tell your elected officials that you want them to take action to deal with TAHC.

http://www.michigan.gov/mda/0,1607,7-125--137059--,00.html

http://michiganmessenger.com/4215/state-faces-mark-of-the-beast-lawsuit

You really need to research this before you speak incorrectly.

It IS being implemented state by state as they are hounded by the federal government.

Involuntary Registrations and Opting Out of the Federal Database

A few states have made NAIS mandatory, such as Wisconsin and Indiana. Other states have used a variety of methods to increase participation in so-called voluntary programs of NAIS. Some states have taken information from existing programs, such as scrapie or tuberculosis, and simply enrolled people into the NAIS database. Other states, such as Idaho, have used their brand registries. Some people have filled out the form for NAIS registration thinking that it is something else, such as Country of Origin Labeling. And yet other people have registered after being told that they have to in order to be in 4-H, or sell at a local sales barn, or go to shows, or ____ (fill in the blank).

As word spread about these involuntary and coercive tactics, some people tried to get out of the NAIS database. They were told by the state and federal officials that the premises could be labeled as "inactive", but there was no way to actually remove their information from the database. Then, in January, the USDA announced an "opt out" procedure for people whose premises have been registered in the NAIS. According to a USDA spokesman, anyone wishing to be removed from the database should write a formal request to their state's NAIS coordinator, who would confirm the validity of the request, and advance the request to USDA. This procedure has still not been formalized in writing. State NAIS coordinators can be located at this website: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/contact_us/directories.shtml

NAIS has not even been implemented.

pandorasmom

11-10-2008, 07:19 AM

What fantasy Island have you been living on?

You really need to research this before you speak incorrectly.

It IS being implemented state by state as they are hounded by the federal government.

Involuntary Registrations and Opting Out of the Federal Database

A few states have made NAIS mandatory, such as Wisconsin and Indiana. Other states have used a variety of methods to increase participation in so-called voluntary programs of NAIS. Some states have taken information from existing programs, such as scrapie or tuberculosis, and simply enrolled people into the NAIS database. Other states, such as Idaho, have used their brand registries. Some people have filled out the form for NAIS registration thinking that it is something else, such as Country of Origin Labeling. And yet other people have registered after being told that they have to in order to be in 4-H, or sell at a local sales barn, or go to shows, or ____ (fill in the blank).

As word spread about these involuntary and coercive tactics, some people tried to get out of the NAIS database. They were told by the state and federal officials that the premises could be labeled as "inactive", but there was no way to actually remove their information from the database. Then, in January, the USDA announced an "opt out" procedure for people whose premises have been registered in the NAIS. According to a USDA spokesman, anyone wishing to be removed from the database should write a formal request to their state's NAIS coordinator, who would confirm the validity of the request, and advance the request to USDA. This procedure has still not been formalized in writing. State NAIS coordinators can be located at this website: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/contact_us/directories.shtml

What you said is true. Things like this have happened. The thing is once your signed up, your signed up. They brought about the "option" of the opt-out, but the thing is you and I both know they aren't going to let you opt out of it once your signed up. I know I have read where they have signed up people who were with the scrapies program, or some other program. The state/government,etc has no right to sign you up for something, just because your signed up for something else.

Call me death on this, but if you look below the "Good stuff" and read more, you'll see the problems.

Remali

11-10-2008, 07:48 AM

I think you have brought this up before Hobo....... Guess I am not going to argue with you about it any more. You seem to want to stir the pot.

Gliderider

11-10-2008, 07:50 AM

Here in Southern Ohio I know Market goats for the 4H fair all have to be tagged. This has been going on for a couple of years now. If they are not tagged they will not allow them to be in the fair....I know this first hand my children did market goats up till last year.

pandorasmom

11-10-2008, 08:11 AM

If I'm not mistaken it's the same way here.
I don't do and haven't done 4h, but I know of someone who shows and I've looked at the requirements for the State Fair, and they require tagging.

TSC has a phamplet that you can get for free from them about the NAIS. I read it and on about every sentence came up with a reason why what they were saying was idiotic.

The state here, even went into one ladies feed store and got her information. The address they had on her account was her husband's mechanic shop. They went to his shop because they thought it was her farm address and when they got there they went through the employees only area. That is breaking the law.
She got a call from her husband about it, and she started calling newspapers,media,etc. to tell them what was up. The state left, and hasn't been back.
They will go to any lengths to get your information and WILL go to your feed stores,etc.

I don't see how hardly any good will come from this.

Tatesgram

11-10-2008, 01:57 PM

Posted by Hobo

Why Oppose NAIS?
Before you call your legislator, make a few notes about what you want to say so you can be brief and to the point. Below are some ideas you might choose from, but for heaven’s sake don’t try to cover them all. Staffers typically have only a few minutes to take your call, so be prepared to make the two or three points most important to you.

I prefer to send emails or letters. I go to congress.org. You can pick your state and the "leaders" you want to send it to. You could copy all of the points HOBO made and paste them to your email, adding your own words to make it unique. Or pick just the pertinent ones and paste them.

I've know of several occasions where a flood of emails/letters have worked. The only one I know for sure that didn't, was the bailout :mad:. My senator (Sessions) said he received thousands of letters opposed to the bailout, and I had heard that every senator received just as many and just as opposed.

Don't think that your senator/congressman/whatever is reading every letter that comes in, they're not, but someone in their office is keeping a tally of the subjects and what people are saying.

It never hurts to try, or get involved in issues that matter to you.

Horserider

11-11-2008, 05:49 PM

FredRock

11-11-2008, 06:11 PM

Why oppose NAIS? It's the government wanting to become big brother. The government should not have to know where I move my personal property. The government has no right to track my animals that are not being used for food.

The other thing that I can say about NAIS, food prices are going to go up. Why? Farmers are going to say their paying X amount for NAIS, so they have to raise prices Y amount to compensate. Overall this is going to do no good for America.

If this does go through, I have a feeling there will be more restrictions and programs that track us, and by that time it will be too late to fight it. Of course, I'm just a negative "youngster." I guess I'm just seeing everything the government has messed up throughout history, and I think if school has taught me anything it's to remember history.

pandorasmom

11-11-2008, 07:25 PM

Of course, I'm just a negative "youngster." I guess I'm just seeing everything the government has messed up throughout history, and I think if school has taught me anything it's to remember history.

I agree with everything you said!
If your one of those negative youngsters you can join my club.

The Negative Youngsters of America :)

Syble413

11-12-2008, 02:30 AM

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! This was my absolute second worst fear when I found out Obama was elected!!! (my worst is that we'll go into a depression or WW3)

:huh:Ummmm..........We've been in a depression for months now under Bush's watch.

Tiz

11-12-2008, 03:33 AM

Syble, during the depression 1 in 4 people was unemployed. Can you explain how you compare the last few months to that one single fact about it?

Syble413

11-12-2008, 04:11 AM

Let's see......the unemployment rate is higher than it has been in 25 years & is projected to go up about 3% over the next month unless some drastic changes happen to the economy. Grocery prices have increased but wages for most are the same. Gas prices WERE through the roof until a couple of weeks ago. More people every day are not able to pay their mortgages & are loosing their homes or filing bankruptcy. There is an increase in theft & vehicle reposession is on the rise. The stock market is in the tank.
That's all I can think of at the moment but that's enough to convince me that we are in a depression. I see other signs everyday at work.........some people don't even have enough money to buy lunch. Cell phones, internet service & cable are being sacrificed just so they can pay bills & buy groceries.......

Edited to add: I work in a pharmacy & see more & more people who only get half of the medicines that they need each month or simply don't get them at all. Alot of the people that still do get all of their medicines are now putting them on credit cards when they previously paid cash.

HoustonFarrier

11-12-2008, 06:21 AM

There is an increase in theft & vehicle reposession is on the rise.

Well, get ready for even more. Obama is going to close Gitmo, and bring all those combat captured al queda to the mainland and try them in civil courts. Since there is no precedent for this, most will probably go free.

Enjoy!

Steve

42many

11-12-2008, 10:00 AM

I agree with everything you said!
If your one of those negative youngsters you can join my club.

The Negative Youngsters of America :)

You should be "Negative American Youngsters" so you can be NAY!! :hysterical:

More people every day are not able to pay their mortgages & are loosing their homes or filing bankruptcy. There is an increase in theft & vehicle reposession is on the rise. The stock market is in the tank.
That's all I can think of at the moment but that's enough to convince me that we are in a depression. I see other signs everyday at work.........some people don't even have enough money to buy lunch. Cell phones, internet service & cable are being sacrificed just so they can pay bills & buy groceries.......

1) Many of the people losing their houses should never have been given the credit to buy those houses in the first place.

2) WAH!!! Lose cell phones and internet?? You do realize these things are LUXURIES, not necessities, right? How could it possibly be construed as some great "sacrifice" to have to cut out your luxury items in able to afford your necessities?

Tiz

11-12-2008, 01:41 PM

WashingtonBay

11-12-2008, 01:55 PM

Agreed. We're not in a depression, we're just damn spoiled. Just yesterday they reported new signs the economy is in trouble, more people are eating at McDonalds and fewer are buying $4 lattes at Starbucks.

pandorasmom

11-12-2008, 02:50 PM

You should be "Negative American Youngsters" so you can be NAY!! :hysterical:

:p Love it!!! I think it fits perfect. I hadn't even thought of that either. :D ;)

Tiz

11-12-2008, 03:05 PM

"Just yesterday they reported new signs the economy is in trouble, more people are eating at McDonalds and fewer are buying $4 lattes at Starbucks."

I'll have my sister in law start a prayer chain at her church. It's worse then even I imagined.

pandorasmom

11-12-2008, 03:29 PM

spoiled.

Now THAT is the major problem with it all. People think they will die without some luxuries. Sure it's not something you want to have happen, but if it means going without food or your cable, I think I know which I'd pick. Ya don't have to have the cable, though it's a nice luxury.

Horserider

11-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Ummmm..........We've been in a depression for months now under Bush's watch.

I know, but if I wrote Great Depression like I originally had everyone would jump on me saying that we have small depressions all the time. Why should this one be any different? So I just wrote depression.

Well, get ready for even more. Obama is going to close Gitmo, and bring all those combat captured al queda to the mainland and try them in civil courts. Since there is no precedent for this, most will probably go free.

I agree that Gitmo should be closed (for reasons I won’t state right now), but why bring them here ? Can’t we just give them all the death penalty or send them back to their own country? Maybe we should do like they did in the old days and dump them all on a little island on the Pacific (they used to dump prisoners on Australia).

1) Many of the people losing their houses should never have been given the credit to buy those houses in the first place.

I HATE that reasoning. Five years ago my mom bought the house we live in now. We could afford it then. Grocery, gas, and all other expenses were a lot lower then. Time went by. Prices went up, mom lost job. Now we’re struggling. Yet you say that we should never have bought the house?

grandmadeb

11-12-2008, 04:26 PM

$4 cup of coffee???? NEVER and think about this. When you buy a 16 oz. bottle of water for a dollar, that computes to $8 a gallon. Now people were getting upset when gas was up to or past $3 and $4 a gallon, but they routinely buy water for $8 a gallon without a single thought.

Horserider

11-12-2008, 04:52 PM

Now people were getting upset when gas was up to or past $3 and $4 a gallon, but they routinely buy water for $8 a gallon without a single thought.

You have to look at that a different way though. You can't compare gasoline to water. For example a gallon of water would probably last me 4 days to a week. But a gallon of gasoline lasts what 15 to 25 miles? (knows little about cars). Depending on how far you have to drive a gallon of gas may last you only an hour or two.

mare

11-12-2008, 06:33 PM

I emailed Obama via his Senate link in support of Tom Buis, pres. of the Nat'l Farmer's Union. Don't know if that is the best contact to Obama for this issue. Anyone have a better one?

rums_mom

11-12-2008, 07:57 PM

I say contact your Senators, legislators and anyone else and let them know you are opposed to NAIS. Start an email petition and send it to them. IF they do not or will not listen, let others know. You can make a difference. If enough Senators and legislators hear from their constiguents that are opposed to this, and let them know you are informed on the details, it will never make it to the President to sign.

Start where the legislation is drafted and work up from there.......

42many

11-12-2008, 08:55 PM

I HATE that reasoning. Five years ago my mom bought the house we live in now. We could afford it then. Grocery, gas, and all other expenses were a lot lower then. Time went by. Prices went up, mom lost job. Now we’re struggling. Yet you say that we should never have bought the house?

I did say "many" people for just this reason - there are certainly people out there who did most of the right things and sometimes bad things really DO happen. However, if people are buying houses on ARMS, for instance, hoping that in a few years they'll be well-off enough to pay up... that is buying a house when you can't afford it (and KNOW you can't) and are just hoping someday you can. There are also people who go looking for a house with terrible credit and poor listed experience of paying things off - who were finding it all too easy to get into a house when they shouldn't have.

Also, keep in mind that buying anything on credit is a gamble. Really, to do it "right" and avoid all of this you should just buy your house outright. Granted, not something people do much of... but really, a mortgage is NOT a necessity if you choose not to let it be. For instance, if you were to be frugal and save $300 a month for 21 years invested at a very modest 6%, you could flat-out BUY that $150k house and not worry about a mortgage. Start thinking and planning young, and you could easily own a decent house outright before you are 50.

Footnote - I don't disagree with mortgages, and even have one myself, but I am aiming to pay it off in full in 1/2 the term or less. It is just food for thought!

Syble413

11-13-2008, 06:03 AM

Ummmm...let's see, Syble.

25% unemployment is not like 6% unemployment. Giving up your cell service, or internet isn't considered a hardship in, I'm guessing, 98% of our present day world. Moving out of a house you didn't have the money to pay for to begin with, doesn't resemble piling all your belongings, and kids, into a car, and picking fruit to pay your way across the country to what you hope is a better life. This was my grandparent's experience, from a farm in Virginia to Florida, to Colorado, eventually to Oregon. It's insulting to them to hear their travails so minimized by comparing that to our current economic condition.

Interesting that you would pick out my statement about cell phones & internet & ignore the other things that were pointed out. I never said that losing these things are considered a hardship. I said people were losing these things IN ORDER TO pay their bills for necessities like food & housing.......which means their standard of living has DECLINED.
I also would like to clarify that when I said people can't afford lunch, I wasn't speaking of giving up Starbucks or any other over-priced restaurant. The people I'm talking about can't even afford the dollar menu at McDonalds. They work all week & don't eat anything at all because they are flat BROKE.
I could go on but this thread is supposed to be about NAIS, so my apologies to the OP. I won't post anything more about hardships on this thread but if anyone wants to discuss it further, I'll be happy to participate in another thread. :)

rums_mom

11-13-2008, 06:40 AM

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! This was my absolute second worst fear when I found out Obama was elected!!! (my worst is that we'll go into a depression or WW3).

That's it I'm booking my tickets to Australia or maybe England. Are there any good colleges in Europe or Australia where people speak English? Or somewhat English?

You what? A depression because Obama got elected? WWIII because Obama got elected? Where have you been lately?

We are in a recession, banks are failing, our economy has tanked and we are in 2 wars and are threatening to invade another country, and you are afraid of what Obama will do?

missdixie

11-13-2008, 09:24 AM

pandorasmom

11-13-2008, 10:06 AM

Oooh OOOH Pick ME!! I want to take Obama on a trail ride! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/liebe/love-smiley-011.gif I do agree with you though Miracle Whip, I wouldn't have a problem registering with NAIS if it passed...

It's people like you and Miracle Whip who we that oppose NAIS can blame if it does pass. What good can come out of more government control?
Tell me what good you see or think will be coming out of the NAIS?
The government is not going to care whether or not you've came back home from a trail ride. They are not going to come find you. They could careless about you! What is so hard to understand about that? If someone doesn't care about me, I surely don't wanna be around them, or have anything to do with them.

HoustonFarrier

11-13-2008, 10:42 AM

[quote=missdixie;37997I wouldn't have a problem registering with NAIS if it passed...[/quote]

So...you won't mind the yearly registration fee for your "facility"...and the yearly registration fee for EACH animal you have on the premisis.....and the transfer of registration fees for every horse you buy/sell.......and the registration fee for the electronic implants/ear tags etc. Lets not forget the FORMS you will have to fill out on a yearly basis.

Steve

WashingtonBay

11-13-2008, 10:54 AM

Or wouldn't mind notifying them every time you and your horse go somewhere.

Nor mind if they decide to draw a circle on a map and take all the horses with no offer of compensation just to be on the safe side because they think there is a disease? Is there any recourse or due process in the legislation?

All on the pretext of protecting the food supply? My horses aren't food.

HoustonFarrier

11-13-2008, 11:08 AM

Nor mind if they decide to draw a circle on a map and take all the horses with no offer of compensation just to be on the safe side because they think there is a disease?

I believe I'd make the front page of most papers on that one :cowboy:

Steve

WashingtonBay

11-13-2008, 11:12 AM

Miracle Whip

11-13-2008, 12:13 PM

I still don't know what the ruckus is because there is no proof of registration fees etc. Does it control disease? Probably not, since horses don't have outbreaks of MAD COW disease or anything else really. I thought quite a few of their diseases were spread by mosquitos and I'd surely love to have some government issued skeeter killer.

At any rate....so far its a God given right to own livestock and take care of them as we see fit. Given the state of the economy right now and the # of emails I have gotten advertising "FREE horses, cannot afford, Registered Paint broodmares" it wouldn't hurt to have a little education and control over the fools that try to sell, for example...

Palomino pony mare for sale. Halter broke. Is older than 15 years old might be pregnant. $75

That just ticks me off no end. They are selling LAST year's baby for $50, and went ahead and let the old nag get pregnant again...what was she expecting? Food Stamps for her horses??? If the pony was tagged at least I can prevent her from dropping the flea-bitten nag and child into MY horse pasture this winter!!!!!!!!

HoustonFarrier

11-13-2008, 12:57 PM

I still don't know what the ruckus is because there is no proof of registration fees etc.

How do you think they are going to fund it? Hell, here in Texas alone, we have some 1.1 million horses......

I guess, put another way, what government program NOW is not funded by the taxpayer? It'll either be fee based...or tax based...either way, WE are going to pay for it.

Palomino pony mare for sale. Halter broke. Is older than 15 years old might be pregnant. $75

That just ticks me off no end. They are selling LAST year's baby for $50, and went ahead and let the old nag get pregnant again...what was she expecting? Food Stamps for her horses???
While I agree with you......legislating stupidity is an exercise in futility. :)

If the pony was tagged at least I can prevent her from dropping the flea-bitten nag and child into MY horse pasture this winter!!!!!!!!
No, you can't prevent it(unless you build better fences).....it'll just help you find out who YOU have to haul the beasties back to :)

Steve

Suzi

11-13-2008, 01:00 PM

Someone said it was already in Wisconson and another state( I forgot). I'd like to hear from some of the people who live there and are dealing with this now. I can see two sides of this issue.

WashingtonBay

11-13-2008, 01:08 PM

Summer... Name one thing the government has been given the authority to register, certify or license that they have not set a fee for.

Furthermore, if it's a behavior that they want to keep, as you say "fools" from participating in, they just keep raising the fee.

pandorasmom

11-13-2008, 01:09 PM

Well, it's something that occurred to me... maybe it's years of debating about the downside of gun registration.

What's the goal? Tracking... databases. Neither of those prevent disease. Taking control of animals controls disease. We've been arguing the cost and hassle and waste of time this NAIS is, and we're right on that. But the next question I have is... OK, so you now have all this information. What are you going to DO with it?

I for one am gonig to see if I can fight it the best I can. If this means writing letters/emails to Senators, or any other people, I will do it it.
I know what kind of problems this will cause, and I'm not going to stand for it.

Horserider

11-13-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Horserider
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! This was my absolute second worst fear when I found out Obama was elected!!! (my worst is that we'll go into a depression or WW3).

That's it I'm booking my tickets to Australia or maybe England. Are there any good colleges in Europe or Australia where people speak English? Or somewhat English?
You what? A depression because Obama got elected? WWIII because Obama got elected? Where have you been lately?

We are in a recession, banks are failing, our economy has tanked and we are in 2 wars and are threatening to invade another country, and you are afraid of what Obama will do?

Not because Obama got elected, because of the decisions he will make as president. I’ve been fearing a second Great Depression and WWIII for about the last year. That might just be me overreacting, but I don’t think so. If you watched the news I would’ve said we’re on the brink of both. But this post was supposed to be about NAIS not World War 3 or the Second Great Depression or how our economy is doing.

I for one am gonig to see if I can fight it the best I can. If this means writing letters/emails to Senators, or any other people, I will do it it.
I know what kind of problems this will cause, and I'm not going to stand for it.