Pushy bratty gelding

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

I need some advice on my aunts horses. She has two geldings. A paint named Scooter, he is okay. She also has an arabian half brother to my old gelding shadow. I swear they are nothing alike.

I dont mess with the arab alot but I have ridden the paint before. They are both spoiled and my aunt has them just to have them. They make her happy and she usually does there feet or has someone else do them.

However she can't give them there yearly shots. So who gets called in...me :rolleyes:. We drove 2 hours to her place last night and I was able to give scooters his shots fairly easy. He flinched alittle but not bad at all.

When it came to Star Fire...Whew it was another story. When ever I went to touch his neck he would threaten to rear and bite and even swing around to kick me if I got to close...Me and this horse have never clicked but last year he wasn't this bad to give shots.

Anyways we tryed to just hold him and do it. I got the needle it but he was so upset and pissy he fought and there was no way I could get it out so my aunt grabbed it. Then we tryed lunging him and seeing if he would listen. He doesn't even know how to lunge but cought on quick quickly. He still would not let me touch his neck and his buck was out of the question completely.

We tryed to tie him... He doesnt no how to tie. He broke the leadrope. So then we tryed to pen him up. He reared and tryed to kick. I managed to get the needle in his neck agian while he was peeing but he wouldnt let me touch him agian and he wiggled out the needle....So I said forget it and we left. I spent two hours trying to give this onry butthead his shots and didnt succeed...Idk what to do. I want to help my aunt but I would have to spent alot of time with this horse. Normally I can handle butthead horses but this guy is just scary and un forgiving. He will kick out and not even care...

Any advice on what I can do? Thanks. You get a giant cookie if you read all of that :)

[WashingtonBay]

Immunizations are the least of his problems. IMHO, you've done all a friendly helpful niece should be expected to do from a distance. She should train her horse, and/or get a vet out to give them. The good ones learn to dance with unruly horses pretty well.

[ChiefCrazyHorse]

Could you Twitch him, with a lead on, or is he to far gone for that?

[TheBadLands]

wheeeww.. dealt with a few of those before.

I am not saying you're not awesome.. but I tell ya.. my vet can stick, pull and run faster than ANYONE I've ever met lol

Might need the vet for this one.. then some training on your aunts part. If she's receptive.

[mare]

I could get it done, but if your aunt doesn't value manners in her horses, she may get upset seeing Dobbin's misbehavior limited.

In your position, I wouldn't bother with her horses. It doesn't sound like it's worth risking injury to yourself and a messed, infected injection site to the horse. Auntie will most likely expect you to perform some type of miracle by getting horse to behave using her ineffective methods even though those same methods don't work for her.

[Equine_Woman]

You can't give Sonora shots without a twitch, not even the fast vets. . . she sees red and goes for broke. And she is respectful in every other situation. It's like her brain leaves her head. Luckily, I know this and just twitch her first. . voila! Instant cooperation.

Now this gelding sounds like he might be missing a step or two in the human/horse relationship to begin with. Understandable based on it's owner! I wouldn't necessarily call him ornery, just unbroke.

[vicklynn]

I am not saying you're not awesome.. but I tell ya.. my vet can stick, pull and run faster than ANYONE I've ever met lol

Might need the vet for this one.. then some training on your aunts part. If she's receptive.
Ditto. Your aunt really needs to work with this horse is sounds like. Like BL said, if shes receptive.

Storm was terrible when I got him. He was scared to death of humans, and it took me(who he some what trusted)to handle him, and my vet, fast as can be, with very calm nerves, to give him shots. Internasal was the last thing done due to him freaking out.
Never seen a horse run backwards on 2 hind feet so far and fast.
I didnt know I could move that fast, but I held on and got his mind back on me...LOL

You did good in trying to help. Thats all you can do.

[GrungeEquestrian]

Ha, what a consequence my aunt has two mares that are EXACTLY like that. I tried to help her with the worse of the two, have done a little training with the better one. A word of experience, forget it. With that horse in that situation where its constantly spoiled you'll take a half a step forward and six steps back. I doubt your aunt, if she is any like mine, with be consistent. Every bit of way you back, your aunt's way of dealing with her horses will ruin. It will be one huge headache. I don't mind working with her other mare, but after almost getting injured with miss sour puss a few years ago, I leave her alone.

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Thanks everyone :) I also forgot to mention Scooter is probubly around 13 or 14 and Starfire is 4. Scooter is broke to ride but throws fits when he leaves starfre and starfire is not broke to ride. He is barely halter broke. I did that. I trained shadow in leaps and bounds he wanted to be cought. But starfire hated being caught and is very flighty. Even though I always tryd to make it a fun experience...I guess he got his mothers genes cus Shadow has always been brave and easy going.

Wb-Yes I agree he lacks manners and always has. He is very hard headed and set in his ways.

Chief-Hmm never thought about a twitch. I guess I could have used a clothspin on his ear too, however he hates his ears touched too :rolleyes:

BL-Yea I mean I can give shots no problem. The needles dont bug me and I can to it pretty fast but this littleturd is just a hair faster than me. I was next to his neck and shoulder and he spun around anddouble barreled quicker than a flash...I jumped behind scooter,who luckly has okay manners ;). I agree and I kept saying it the whole night that we should just get a vet. She doesnt have a trailer though. Town aint far. I told her to pony him from Scooter to town and she did this shot :rolleyes: lol oh well I tryed.

Mare- Yea I was alittle rougher with him than she is with him and she didn't say much. I was wporking him and moving those feet but he stilltryed to push me around.

EW- Thats interesting EW I wonder why she is like that. You hit the nail right on the head. He is in fact un-broke and my aunt doesn't really work with either of them.

VL- Thanks Vick. What do you guys mean by receptive? Like she is responcible enough? Or knows enough?

Grunge- Wow sounds just like my aunt! That is scary. My mom made the sugestion to get rid of Starfire and she said well then Scooter wont have a buddy. I said what about a mini and she didnt say anything. So who knows. I just think I will pass on the shots from now on as far as he's concerned..Wich sounds bad but idk what else to do..

[TacheteTreasures]

My mare will only allow shots if twitched. A horse that will usually do anything asked without even a halter on, but as soon as the vet comes she looses it. She rips herself out of your hands and spins and just panics.

One thing to be careful with is if you do the clip on the ear, if its not on just right they may panic even more, then you have a loose, bucking, rearing, scared horse with a clip on it's ear.

[mare]

One thing to be careful with is if you do the clip on the ear, if its not on just right they may panic even more, then you have a loose, bucking, rearing, scared horse with a clip on it's ear.

I can picture this and it's not pretty.

[TacheteTreasures]

I can picture this and it's not pretty.

Yea, one of the many reasons why you should say no if you think something is a bad idea...

[AppyLover]

“receptive [rɪˈsɛptɪv]
adj
1. able to apprehend quickly
2. tending to receive new ideas or suggestions favourably
3. able to hold or receive”

From= http://www.thefreedictionary.com/receptive

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Sorry but the horse is not the problem, your aunt is. Don't put yourself in harms way anymore. She wants your help; tell her you want the horses trained first.

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Thanks appy :) Yea I actually think it is both parties. She gives to him and always has. When I had him he was about 6 months old and I had him for about 6 months. He was a turd all the time and as dangerous as it was I had to leave a leadrope on him at all times. It was very long and I would take it off sometimes but I would have to rope him with a lariat if I wanted to touch him. He never trusted me and I never harmed him.

I think my aunt isnt cut out to be a trainer. She has ridden and grown up around horses but they were my grandmas (horses are in my blood ;))...But she wants to take him to one so we will see where that goes. He isnt my horse and I told my mom I dont want to end up hurt over something stupid.

Thanks for everyones advice. An older guy I know who is alittle more stern with his horses told me next time to give it to him in the chest. It worries me because there heart is so close and that puts me in the possition to get clobered with a front hoof if he decides to rear. He also said to tie one back leg up and then give it to him the butt. He can't kick that way, but Idk about trying that still sounds dangerous to me.

[Palogal]

I echo everyone and say twitch him. If he's still impossible, call the vet. Training is needed most definitely but for your safety, twitch.

[mare]

Tying up one hind leg is a version of a "scotch hobble." I've only used it in extreme cases. If you're the least bit hesitant, I don't recommend trying.

On the other hand, if you're wanting to go into rehabbing spoiled and older unbroke horses, practice on one of your broke horses first. It's just another tool.

[Tiz]

Twitch this one? Get struck on the head, then run over. Give the shot in the chest? Get struck on the head, then run over. No, I think he'd just plow over you on that one.

Put a clothespin on his ear? That just hurts for no reason.

Sounds like he's too much for you, in his current frame of mind, so let him go without vaccinations. It isn't worth getting hurt over.

[Country Girl 43]

I agree with the twitching. Had to do that to Missy for the past year.

My vet would show up to give shots and as soon as that needle came out Missy was rearing. :eek: We started twitching her and she took the shots no problem. Now that we have her trust....for the most part... we did not have to twitch her last time. I just put my hand over her eye and the Vet popped the needle in, got down to business and she was done lickity split.

You should try doing the twitch on this gelding and see how he reacts. We just used bailing twine. Tied it to one side of the halter, ran it over the top gums, slide it through the other side of the halter and I kept pulling on that side to give pressure. That way all the pressure was on the gums and nothing on the poll.

IF the gelding is calm while twitching him, then you can attempt to give the shots, but if he shows any signs of not being relaxed I wouldn't touch him with a 20 foot pole!

You're a very nice niece to try to do this for your aunt, but I agree with the others.....I would leave this one for the vet to deal with.

[TheBadLands]

Twitch this one? Get struck on the head, then run over. Give the shot in the chest? Get struck on the head, then run over. No, I think he'd just plow over you on that one.

Put a clothespin on his ear? That just hurts for no reason.

Sounds like he's too much for you, in his current frame of mind, so let him go without vaccinations. It isn't worth getting hurt over.

I have to agree.. maybe just skip the vax until the ground manners are better...

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Thanks for everybody's input. I felt bad because I coudn't get it done....Like a bad horsewomen or something. My mom told me it wasn't my fualt, he has no manners and therefore won't listen to anybody. She told me not to worry and if he goes without shots not to worry about it. But I do, I really want to help out.

I have no doubt in my mind that he would run me over or kick me without batting an eyelash and I won't put myself in that situation. It isn't smart nor worth it in my eyes. If she wants him vaccinated that badley she will pay a vet to come up to her place or buy a trailer to get him there cus I really dont want to get kicked.

I don't think I will try the clothspin thing, chest shot, or tyeing his leg up. They were just some sugestions my moms co-worker gave her because he rides and ropes. However I am pretty hesitant when taking much advice from him and actually using it. My intuion(sp) tells me to ask and then go from there because he is the kind of person who sees a horse as a $ sign as in money maker and not a partner or equal when it comes to riding ect....

Thanks agian everyone :)