Colic: Banamine to the hindquarters?

[clpUPMICH]

Quick question if anyone is out there ...

Start of a colic going here with my 23-year old Arab gelding, Abner. He colicked two or three times last summer for the first time. The vet/dentist is coming tomorrow, he must know. Sigh.

I can do intramuscular injections, but I'm better/more comfortable in the hindquarters than in the neck 'triangle.' Is this okay??? Will the Banamine still work? I threw him in the trailer by himself and even separation anxiety didn't 'get things moving.'

Thanks,

Crystal

[Horseaholic]

you can put it in his mouth. Just syringe it in. I don't give banamine IM. Good luck!

[WashingtonBay]

Administering banamine IM is very risky with ghastly potential consequences... I would give the injectible orally if you can't do IV.

[Horseaholic]

Administering banamine IM is very risky with ghastly potential consequences... I would give the injectible orally if you can't do IV.

I don't give banamine IM for that exact reason.

[zoel_222]

What's the difference between IM and IV?

[Joey A]

This might help...

http://horseshoes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12701

IM intramuscular IV intraveinous

[Equine_Woman]

Give it in his mouth orally (without the needle obviously) and get someone to teach you how to do IV. It's the best way if you are going to use banamine. . .

Zoe - IV is intravenously (in the vein), IM is intramuscular (in the muscle) Some shots can't be given in the vein, and some need to be.

And Joey that's gruesome!! And the very reason Banamine shouldn't be given IM.

Oh! And on edit I really hope your gelding gets better fast!!!

[clpUPMICH]

Wah, I forgot about the IM stuff ... I went with the oral dosage. Banamine doesn't taste very good, in case anyone was wondering ... blech.

I put him in the trailer again and got some action the second time, haha. We should be good, thanks for the info everyone. I'll be keeping an eye on him throughout the night and hopefully by the time I leave for work everything will be back to normal, and I can add one more thing for the vet to look at tomorrow.

Crystal

[Joey A]

The horse should be seen asap for colic. You can't have him seen by someone else, if your vet can't/won't come sooner.

Why don't you just ask your vet? You've had him on the phone already, just call him back?

[Horseaholic]

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17445 if you're wondering ab the consequences Zoel you can look here.

ETA this was a mistaken IM as well. (IV injection ended up getting into the muscle as well)

[WashingtonBay]

Wah, I forgot about the IM stuff ... I went with the oral dosage. Banamine doesn't taste very good, in case anyone was wondering ... blech.

I put him in the trailer again and got some action the second time, haha. We should be good, thanks for the info everyone. I'll be keeping an eye on him throughout the night and hopefully by the time I leave for work everything will be back to normal, and I can add one more thing for the vet to look at tomorrow.

Crystal


Under the circumstances, oral was the best way... if you google "Banamine IM" you'll see LOTS of ghastly pictures of what can happen.

I sure hope the horse feels better soon.

[clpUPMICH]

I've given the oral banamine before, but I learned to give his arthritis injections intramuscular this summer and thought that was perhaps an option, until remembering the IM horrors.

Unfortunately, I live in a horse-rich, vet-deficient area. The nearest equine vet is 100 miles away and will be here already scheduled, tomorrow afternoon. My normal vet lives 4 hours away. The local on-call small animal vets will tell me to give him some banamine and walk him, if I can even get one to answer, and give them a call in a few hours if it is worse, then refer me to the vet that is already coming (I've been through this before). Every vet in the UP (Upper Peninsula of Michigan) recommends that horse owners learn to work with as much as we can ourselves due to the geography and population of the area ... just a fact of life up here. I probably overreacted and it was just gas, but I wanted to catch it early...he already looks much better and drank some water.

[cheval]

The horse should be seen asap for colic. You can't have him seen by someone else, if your vet can't/won't come sooner.

Why don't you just ask your vet? You've had him on the phone already, just call him back?

I gotta agree with Joey. Colic just is not something to mess with. Hope everything is okay.

[Equine_Woman]

I've given the oral banamine before, but I learned to give his arthritis injections intramuscular this summer and thought that was perhaps an option, until remembering the IM horrors.

Unfortunately, I live in a horse-rich, vet-deficient area. The nearest equine vet is 100 miles away and will be here already scheduled, tomorrow afternoon. My normal vet lives 4 hours away. The local on-call small animal vets will tell me to give him some banamine and walk him, if I can even get one to answer, and give them a call in a few hours if it is worse, then refer me to the vet that is already coming (I've been through this before). Every vet in the UP (Upper Peninsula of Michigan) recommends that horse owners learn to work with as much as we can ourselves due to the geography and population of the area ... just a fact of life up here. I probably overreacted and it was just gas, but I wanted to catch it early...he already looks much better and drank some water.

Glad to hear he's doing better!! I wouldn't make it with vets that far away!! Good thing you already had banamine on hand. Get your vet to show you how to do the IV tomorrow if he will.

[cheval]

Didn't see the second page!

That's tough being so far from a vet. And a bit scary!

[oursarge]

Very scary to be that far from a vet. Seems it would be a good place for one to move. They'd probably have alot of business! I think our phone knows how to dial our vet by itself I call there so much! We had a new one move into the area, she's an Equine Vet only. She is trying to help my Sarge's eye but I don't know if she'll have any better luck than anyone else. I'm just glad there is one more vet that will come to the house because alot of them have stopped that here and there are only a few who work on large animals. She's very nice, so is her staff. I just hope she can help and we don't have to haul him to a large vet clinic 3 hrs away.

Good luck, hope your baby feels much better now.

[Remali]

Hope your horse does OK, is he resting OK now? Do they still recommend walking horses that are colicky? Just asking, as I am not sure any more..... I had thought they now say to let them rest, but then again there are quite a few different kinds of colic, so maybe they do recommend certain types to be walked yet...... I've been horseless a few years now..... so a bit out of the loop. Anyway, I sure hope your vet can get there soon, has to be rough with the vets so far away.

[clpUPMICH]

Just a quick update for those of you who were watching, Abner is doing fine. Thank you! I sat outside with him til about midnight, and he was perky this morning. I think it was just the start of upset tummy, but I wanted to catch it quick with the banamine. He passed manure the second time I loaded him in the trailer alone, and that also seemed to make him feel better.

The vet will be here in an hour for dental work, so I will have him checked out well. I probably overreacted, but with the vet a goodly distance away and my finances, its best for me to catch things early if I can!

Crystal

[natisha]

Just a quick update for those of you who were watching, Abner is doing fine. Thank you! I sat outside with him til about midnight, and he was perky this morning. I think it was just the start of upset tummy, but I wanted to catch it quick with the banamine. He passed manure the second time I loaded him in the trailer alone, and that also seemed to make him feel better.

The vet will be here in an hour for dental work, so I will have him checked out well. I probably overreacted, but with the vet a goodly distance away and my finances, its best for me to catch things early if I can!

CrystalI'm so glad he's OK. No such thing as over reacting when you know something is wrong. Better to over reacte than not act at all. Nice job.

[zoel_222]

Zoe - IV is intravenously (in the vein), IM is intramuscular (in the muscle) Some shots can't be given in the vein, and some need to be.



Ahh pretty self explanatory I guess. I learn something new everyday. :)