Oh my, this is a training aide?

[vicklynn]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Clinton-Anderson-endorsed-electronic-VICEBREAKER-H2-/250300781985?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a4716d5a1

[natisha]

They've been around for a while. I wouldn't use one.

[WashingtonBay]

Huh - well, yes... I suppose it is!

I have one by the same manufacturer... I used it on a particularly stubborn dog and it saved him, and us. It was the right tool at the right time on the right dog.

Haven't use it on horses or heard of their use on horses... and I'm not really sure what situations it would work for.

[Tiz]

I would love to have one of these. My cribber would get a jolt, any wood chewers would get a zap, the horse at the track that stops the walker, oh yeah, zing!

They have different settings, so you don't have to knock anything down with it. Horses hate electricity, so I'll bet it's very effective.

[WashingtonBay]

It could work.... can also zap a horse's confidence if they're not really sure what or why they got it.


I used it for off leash work for a labrador who thought I couldn't reach him when he was loose. Hunting, he'd take off and bother other hunters/dogs... and showing, he'd get up in the 'sits and downs' and mount the dog next to him. It solved both of those, and I used to to enforce verbal corrections.

He was strong enough that he could take a hard correction and not fall apart. Some dogs it wouldn't be good for.

[Tiz]

Losing confidence over performing vices is a good thing.

[Buckpoco]

Yes, we've used them for dogs. Wondered how a horse would react....hmmmm. I guess a tough, stubborn one might respond well.

[vicklynn]

I know they make them for dogs, but for horses...not my idea of training.
I dont like it at all.

[jeezitsjacki]

wow I couldnt use that for a horse...especially ben. He is so darn sensitive he would be upset for a week!

[Tiz]

It's a great tool. The horse thinks the behavior zapped it. I'd never use a cribbing CHOKE collar on a cribber, but I would use this.

It's for vices. It isn't a "training" aid, like spurs, or an over and under, or a whip, or a crop, or a dropped noseband, or a leverage hackamore, or a gag bit, or a twisted wire snaffle...

[vicklynn]

Vices, training them not to do them, guess it seems the same to me, training a horse to not do the behavior. I understand what you are saying. I still wouldnt use it.

[natisha]

Now that you mention it Tiz, I have a horse that lives in the indoor arena at night & has recently taken to chewing the crap out of it. He's nibbled now & then but it's getting crazy. I'm sure a few well timed zaps would change his mind in a hurry.
Just today I spent hours painting stop chew stuff all over. If there are new chew marks tomorrow I'm buying one of these. I don't like the idea of having to use it but if hiding in the dark all night to zap him when he starts to chew will stop him I'll do it.

There's no way to train a horse not to do something when they're on their own time.

[Country Girl 43]

I agree with Tiz on this for cribbing issues. The only problem is you have to sit there ALL day to be able to catch them in the act and time your jolt perfectly.

You can use the dog collars too, just have to add some length to the collar to get it to fit the horse. ;)

[3equines]

Huh - well, yes... I suppose it is!

I have one by the same manufacturer... I used it on a particularly stubborn dog and it saved him, and us. It was the right tool at the right time on the right dog.

Haven't use it on horses or heard of their use on horses... and I'm not really sure what situations it would work for.


I think it is a tool that has its place with the right situation, and will get used more often in the wrong ones, just like many other training tools that are out there.

I think it would be great for our nasty nasty stall kickin mare Blue, if there was a way to get it to go off when she kicked her stall, every time. And when she decides to buck for no reason - at least she would have a reason to buck!!!! (or kick her stall:innocent:) I noticed it had a warning tone feature, and I bet after the tone and a small shock repeated after the behavior a few times you wouldn't need more than a tone to put a stop to it.

[Tiz]

Before you sit up all night trying to zap horsey in the act, just put the him in an area that he can do his misdeeds when you have the time to spy on him. Then turn him back out.


"There's no way to train a horse not to do something when they're on their own time."

Until the zapper came along.

[Fork]

We use one on our dog. We have a 1.5 acre property with probably 100 acres of cornfields behind us. If he takes off to chase after a squirrel, no amount of name calling will bring him back to us. The beeper does the trick. :p

We've only used the buzzer function once after a passing dog-to-dog confrontation in the woods. He never does anything to other dogs. :huh: My mom ended up in the mud. He hasn't done it again.

I understand the effectiveness of them but they need to be in the right hands for dogs and horses. I'd give verbal warnings first, then beep, then buzz if all else fails.

[natisha]

Before you sit up all night trying to zap horsey in the act, just put the him in an area that he can do his misdeeds when you have the time to spy on him. Then turn him back out.


"There's no way to train a horse not to do something when they're on their own time."

Until the zapper came along. That may be a warmer idea.:) No signs of chewing this morning, maybe the stuff worked- for now.

[Petra]

If I had a horse with bad habits I'd buy it.
How many of you have a hot wire around your horse property?
I do not see how is it any different from a hot fence - you touch it, you get zapped.
My dogs have shock collars to keep them in the yard. I have tried it on myself before I put it on them. It is the same sensation as you get when you touch a hot fence. ;)

[Country Girl 43]

I have tried it on myself before I put it on them. It is the same sensation as you get when you touch a hot fence. ;)

Can you put this on video please!!! :D :p

[Equine_Woman]

Yeah I would use it on a horse that cribs or an overly food aggressive horse. (had some horses that used to charge the person feeding them no matter how aggressive said person was. . .I would have LOVED to have that little remote in my pocket more than once. . . .)

[Petra]

Can you put this on video please!!! :D :p

Hahaha silly CG!
Sorry to disapoint you...it doesn't bother me that much to touch it or a hot fence. I have a very high pain tolerance. ;)

[AUEquine]

Not a bad training tool in my book. But like all training tools, it's not for every horse or every owner. With dogs shock collars can be great or terrible. Some dogs run when they get shocked, others stop what they're doing at retreat... same with horses. Not much different than hot wire fences with horses or underground fences with dogs. They learn a certain behavior equals an unpleasant shock. It's a problem that you can't always be there to shock them, and they don't do it automatically like a bark collar or fence collar for a dog. But again it depends on a horse. Some horses will try to crib/kick/etc and get shocked a few times and realize that they don't want to do that again. Others will continue to try, say after dark when you're not there.
Like all training aids, they can be great or terrible. In the wrong hands or with the wrong horse this can be bad. But with some horses and proper use it can fix a problem without creating a fear of humans/hitting/whips/etc and not impair ground or under saddle training.

[TheRedHayflinger]

a teacher at college converted one of his dog ones (he did field trials with dogs and horses) for a horse at the college. The horse was one of his own personal horses. Former stallion and could not be turned out with geldings. They kept him in a field with one mare. Couldn't even stall him next to a gelding or he'd go after them (even with bars between). So, he put one of them on the horse, hid out in the office and watched through a hole in the wall. Horse got a jolt when he went after another horse in another stall. It worked really well for him.

[vicklynn]

Sounds like this has been a great tool in the right hands!!

[Remali]

What the H.....?!!! Don't ANY trainers know how to train a horse or use methods that aren't ridiculous any more.... No wait, I take that back, obviously Anderson is not a trainer if he has to zap his horses.... makes ya wonder what else he does.....

[natisha]

What the H.....?!!! Don't ANY trainers know how to train a horse or use methods that aren't ridiculous any more.... No wait, I take that back, obviously Anderson is not a trainer if he has to zap his horses.... makes ya wonder what else he does.....He probably just gets paid to sell the product. I've seen a lot of his stuff & I've never seen him use that. Who knows for sure though?

[Remali]

Well, in my book, if a "trainer" endorses something like that for a horse, that's enough for me to never use that trainer.... or believe anything he says... ;)

[vicklynn]

Sometimes I wonder why these big name trainers back stuff.
Really turns some people off on their ways.
I mean, endorse it? Hmmm, maybe your not the gentle hand you proclaim to be.

I like a couple of the big name trainers ways, but beings in the presents of one, well, lets just say, I dont like the big head that goes along with the names.
I take what I like and leave the rest behind.

[Remali]

You'd be surprised at what some of the big name trainers do..... it can get pretty awful.
Me too, I go with what and who I like, and leave the rest behind....it catches up with them eventually.

[vicklynn]

Well, in my book, if a "trainer" endorses something like that for a horse, that's enough for me to never use that trainer.... or believe anything he says... ;)

Yes and no.

I mean, I spent a week under CCs training.
Do I like him, nope.
Do I like all his training ways, nope.
I do take and use some of the stuff he taught me, and I use it, yup.
I use what I like and leave the rest behind.