OK to Drink and Drive?!?!?!?!

[TLC97]

When I got my hair cut two weeks ago my stylist (whom I have used for 5 yrs) was telling me about when she and her husband went out with her kids to a bar recently. Story sounded ok, people do that. Well as the story continued she explained that she and her husband crossed their signals and both drank way to much. Well her husband drove home, about a 45 min. drive, but he only went 25-35 mph. so they were fine.

UMMMMMMM NO!!!!!!!!!!
I have spoke with her since and told her that I will be looking for a different stylist. One reason is I paid for highlights that you can not see and I am not happy with it and she refuses to fix it. The second is because I have a hard time with someone thinking that it is ok to drink and drive. Sorry I buried a friend from an oui accient and have watched to many students either get killed or really messed up from this. When I explained this to her she told me to not be such a prude. Umm she is 52 I would think maybe at some point she should grow up.

Am I wrong here??
Be honest.

[vicklynn]

Drinking and driving is not cool! Have I done it, yes. Am I proud of it, no. Those were many yrs ago, and I am glad I hurt NO one. There are many lives that can be traumatized, due to drunk driving.
I would not not use her, if I knew she wasnt drinking while working, but if she wont fix your color, then yup, Id be gone and find someone who would.
Im sorry you are going through this pain again. I know it takes so long to heal certain tramas in life.((HUG))

P.S. First time in YEARS, I held a baby yesterday, and it felt natural again. RIP my beautiful Damon.

[oursarge]

I would drop her too for a few reasons, first off she should have fixed your hair if you aren't happy with it. If she wanted to keep you as a customer she should have tried to make you happy. I also can't believe someone would stand there and talk about their drunk driving, that just seems wrong to me too.

I know people do it but it's scary. If they kill them selves it's bad but if they kill some innocent family out for a ride it's beyond wrong. Lives are wrecked just because someone can't stop drinking. I'm not a prude, I don't care how much people drink at home I just don't think they should drive and I don't think they should be chatting about it like it's no big deal then call you names because you don't agree with her. I'd be finding someone new to do my hair.

[menagerie]

All I can say is wow.... First I can't believe she's ok with taking her KIDS

[menagerie]

All I can say is wow.... First I can't believe she's ok with taking her KIDS to a bar, I know people do it but I don't think it is a positive life model to expose them to. Plus they endangered them but driving under the influence. (if they had to drive 25-35 mph they musta been pretty lit) Second you just don't mess up someones hair and not pay a price! ;)

[menagerie]

Sorry for that partial post!!!!!! I had a itchy enter finger but didn't realize it went thru the first time. Sooooorrrrryyyyyy

[vicklynn]

All I can say is wow.... First I can't believe she's ok with taking her KIDS to a bar, I know people do it but I don't think it is a positive life model to expose them to. Plus they endangered them but driving under the influence. (if they had to drive 25-35 mph they musta been pretty lit) Second you just don't mess up someones hair and not pay a price! ;)

Um, if the lady is in her 50s, Im assuming the KIDS are of drinking age.
Ive been to a bar with my dad.

[Vegashorselady]

Yeah, that is not ok. I'm not proud to say that I've done it once or twice in my younger years. But you know, the next day I never justified it and said it was ok. I knew it was wrong! That's why it only happened a couple of times, then I wised up and realized I couldn't trust my judgment and either didn't drink as much or made sure to have money for a taxi or a designated driver. I can't believe this woman is in her 50's and thinks it's ok. I hope she grows up before her or her husband kill someone. Oh, and that's great to know that they have adult children out there that probably think it's ok because mom and dad do it.:doh:

[menagerie]

Yep, Vicki, I didn't pay attention to her age so your right her kids should be older but like Vegas said, what are they teaching them except that its OK. So I still totally don't agree with her reasoning.

[Ranger44]

Who doesn't know someone that has been affected by a drunken driving accident these days? It's amazing how many people are still driving after drinking too much. As much publicity and education that has been put into it I don't understand it.

I have been to accident scenes and dealt with the loss of loved ones both on a personal and professional basis and everyone always wonders "why" afterwards. It's so sad to see the people that are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[TBgirl]

Well I am not going to lie...I've driven after having a few. I don't know....I'm more the type to feel that people make their own decisions, ya know? Also, my mom and I have gone out to bars together alot...still do! We have a lot of fun and we have a very close relationship. I see nothing wrong with it.

If she did a bad job on your hair I certainly can understand not going back. That's wrong that she wont fix it...any good stylist that cares about their reputation would.

[Ranger44]

Well I am not going to lie...I've driven after having a few. I don't know....I'm more the type to feel that people make their own decisions, ya know? Also, my mom and I have gone out to bars together alot...still do! We have a lot of fun and we have a very close relationship. I see nothing wrong with it.

If she did a bad job on your hair I certainly can understand not going back. That's wrong that she wont fix it...any good stylist that cares about their reputation would.

Am I reading this right? "Make your own decisions." So you think it is OK to break the law(your decision) and put not only your life but others in jeopardy?

[cloedoll]

All I can say is wow.... First I can't believe she's ok with taking her KIDS

I was at my aunts and it was a party and my dad wanted to go home at like 11pm and I said no because he was drunk and I got in SO much trouble because I refused to go home with him! I would rather not discuss my father's & his side of the familys drinking habits, but bleh...drinking alone, not including someone driving..bothers me...a lot.

[luv2show]

I don't know....I'm more the type to feel that people make their own decisions, ya know? .


:eek: NOT with drinking and driving! You're not in total control of your decision when you are under the influence of alcohol, period. You are putting yours and others lives at risk and that is not okay - no questions asked.

I would not stop going to your stylist just because of this reason. However, I would stop if she wouldn't fix your hair. I think it's time to start looking for a new one :).

[cloedoll]

Am I reading this right? "Make your own decisions." So you think it is OK to break the law(your decision) and put not only your life but others in jeopardy?Yeah I was wondering the same thing. If you want to risk your own life, fine, but when the high risk of you harming or killing another human being for your mistake is a possibility and those people were entirely innocent and it wasn't their fault, but yet they pay the price for it?...That's just not what I find ok.

[TLC97]

Um, if the lady is in her 50s, Im assuming the KIDS are of drinking age.
Ive been to a bar with my dad.


Her kids are more than drinking age. One just got out of jail for transporting drugs across state lines, one is going through a divorce and her son was molesested and the youngest one is a walking hooker. Enough said there.

[TLC97]

Well I am not going to lie...I've driven after having a few. I don't know....I'm more the type to feel that people make their own decisions, ya know? Also, my mom and I have gone out to bars together alot...still do! We have a lot of fun and we have a very close relationship. I see nothing wrong with it.

TB-I have a very close relationship with my parents and have gone out to a bar/pub with them and they are 60 & 62. I have gone out with my husband and had a drink (only one) with a meal and drove home. That is not the issue. The issue was to have BOTH parties knowingly drunk and drive over 45 mins. home. Are you saying that is OK?? I agree to each their own, but drinking and driving is knowingly not only endangering your own life (your choice I agree) but also endangering the lives of others (not your right). Maybe I missed something in what you said.

I guess it is the combination of not wanting to fix my hair and to just think it was so funny to drive home drunk knowing that I have literally buried students and seen the effect it has on them. Maybe I was more upset because she KNOWS what I have gone through......Not sure.

[John Boy]

I think its safe to say no one validates excessive drinking and then driving.

But 2-3 drinks , with or without a dinner is not an issue unless a person can not handle their liquor and obviously that person knows or should know their limit.
I in the drinking state of the union (Wisconsin) Our little 10,000 population town had 22 bars at one time , until they inforced a drinking age of 21 and knuckled down on fines. Many bar's closed , while others learned the buddy system.

[cloedoll]

But 2-3 drinks , with or without a dinner is not an issue unless a person can not handle their liquor and obviously that person knows or should know their limit.I forget the state, but they will arrest you if you had less than one drink. I forget the number (yeah, I know I sound like I know what I'm talking about...not, lol), but with the breathalyzer, the number that they have as too drunk too drive is equal to less than a beer and they'll arrest you for it. I think if you had one drink is too much to drive, though...

[Aina]

I don't drink at all and never will. One of the problems is that it does impair judgment. When you are sober you are like "yeah, I'd never drink and drive" but then you have a few drinks and because the affects are rather gradual you think you will be fine, when in reality you are already impaired.

But I have a random question that this thread got me thinking of. Would you drink and ride your horse at the same time?

[Cat]

I think there is a huge difference between 1-3 drinks (depending on what the individual can handle) and "way too much that we had to drive 25 mph" as described in the original post.

Cloe - I would be curious as to what state and what number it is at because its hard to generalize like that. The number is effected by not only how much you drank, but how much a person weights, what they have eaten, how long it took them to drink that drink and how long since they finished it.

[Remali]

Well, I'm with TBgirl....I have had a couple drinks and have driven home, and back when we had good music to listen to around here, there were a couple times my mother went out with me for a short time, obviously not all night (about 25 years ago), my cousin used to play in a band so we went to see him play now and then. I don't think age has anything to do with it, heck I'm 52 and I get the hankering for a night out listening to some music and a drink or two. But, I would drop her because she refused to re-do your hair for you, a decent stylist would fix your hair no questions asked.

[Joey A]

I drove intoxicated once, but it really was on accident and only for about a mile and a half. I was at a pool party, and had a Martini-and-a-half. Thought I was OK, but after going 1.4 miles I pulled over and decided to walk back and find the other half of that martini.

There's alot of folks here that drive around with a beer in the cup holder. I don't get it, but I don't drink much. I still have half a six-pack from over a week ago.....

Speaking of which, I'ma takea trip to the fridge. Do you think I'd be safe operating a rolling office chair into the kitchen while intoxicated.... O.R.O.C.I.K.W.T.

[cloedoll]

Cloe - I would be curious as to what state and what number it is at because its hard to generalize like that. The number is effected by not only how much you drank, but how much a person weights, what they have eaten, how long it took them to drink that drink and how long since they finished it.

It was on a documentary that I may still have recorded. I'll check a.s.a.p.

[cloedoll]

I guess it also bothers me when I see adults drinking more than any human should and yet us teenagers get it shoved down our throat if we are to drink one glass of wine, or one beer, one shot, whatever it may be and drive we are in huge trouble. I know we shouldn't be drinking at all and that's a different story, but wow, great example to see the people that we have no choice to be around (parents, uncles, etc.) doing exactly what teenagers learn not to.

[oursarge]

I don't drink at all and never will. One of the problems is that it does impair judgment. When you are sober you are like "yeah, I'd never drink and drive" but then you have a few drinks and because the affects are rather gradual you think you will be fine, when in reality you are already impaired.

But I have a random question that this thread got me thinking of. Would you drink and ride your horse at the same time?

We have a problem at the stable with this, one couple comes in and you know they've been drinking, my husband says you can get drunk on the fumes coming from them. No drinking allowed at the stable but you can't stop them from drinking at home. The stable owner finally talked to them about it and I guess they maybe got the message. First off drinking and driving is totally wrong, if they kill them selves it's bad, if they kill some innocent person like my friend's brother was killed by some idiot who had too much to drink and got behind the wheel well that's just wrong.

The past few times they've been sober so I think she got her point across but it was a touchy thing for awhile. She can't tell them what to do at home but was afraid of them getting on a horse and getting hurt. They aren't the best riders to begin with.

I do not have issues with people drinking at home or drinking out if there is someone sober to drive them but I have real issues with drinking and driving.

[TBgirl]

I guess what I mean to say is....while I don't condone drinking and driving...I am all about people having personal liability for their actions. I.E.- a person getting behind the wheel drunk...or people choosing to ride with a drunk. Now obviously young children and kids that don't know any better or have no say...I think that is wrong and that's a different story. However, I really feel that if people make these choices...they may have to suffer the consequenses. (Not to sound harsh). It's all a learning experience (life) and no matter how many laws are made people will still break the rules. I'm just a realist...that's all.

Edited to add: A few weeks ago I saw a very (obviously) drunk man driving a truck and I knew right away to back off from him just in case something happened. It did make me mad. I mean he must have been loaded and was all over the road.

But there are some cases where one person thinks the other isn't going to drink much and they both accidentally get a little drunk and then have to make it home. Not saying it's right...but we all make mistakes.

[oursarge]

I guess what I mean to say is....while I don't condone drinking and driving...I am all about people having personal liability for their actions. I.E.- a person getting behind the wheel drunk...or people choosing to ride with a drunk. Now obviously young children and kids that don't know any better or have no say...I think that is wrong and that's a different story. However, I really feel that if people make these choices...they may have to suffer the consequenses. (Not to sound harsh). It's all a learning experience (life) and no matter how many laws are made people will still break the rules. I'm just a realist...that's all.

Edited to add: A few weeks ago I saw a very (obviously) drunk man driving a truck and I knew right away to back off from him just in case something happened. It did make me mad. I mean he must have been loaded and was all over the road.

But there are some cases where one person thinks the other isn't going to drink much and they both accidentally get a little drunk and then have to make it home. Not saying it's right...but we all make mistakes.


If someone goes out and drinks too much call a cab or a friend to drive them home. I know it doesn't happen but that's what should happen. A mistake can be fatal to someone who is innocent like my friend's brother. If a drunk kills themselves well then OH WELL, their mistake I don't feel too bad for them but in most cases it's not the drunk who dies it's an innocent party.

Another friend's nephew was just killed 2 weeks ago by someone who made a mistake. His mistake killed a young person who did nothing wrong but be on the road when someone else shouldn't have been.

No matter how wrong it is people will still drink and drive, I don't know what will change it, nothing I guess. When my brother in law got picked up I told the family don't be coming here for bale money because they weren't getting it from me, I didn't care if he spent life in jail, I didn't tell him to drink and drive, I didn't tell him to punch a cop when he had an accident sending a whole family to the hospital [Thankfully nobody was really hurt]. He did it let him suffer for it. Of course I am the family B*&^% but I don't really care. He hasn't changed his attitude much and I haven't either even though I like him I don't like what he does.

[jeezitsjacki]

I will never condone drinking and driving. If you want to drink its your decision.. but when you drive you are putting whoever is in the cars life in danger.. and whoever else is on the roads life. I think that is what everyone should consider before drinking and driving

[TheBadLands]

I'm my own dads des. driver...how's that for odd lol

[alittleoffkey]

I lost a very good friend to a drunk driver rear ending him and shoving his car out into a busy intersection, so I feel very strongly about drunk driving. He couldn't avoid the stupid idiot - he had no choice in the matter. If you drink and drive you are a moron and I have zero respect for anyone who chooses to do so. You can always find someone to drive you home, there is always a cab company - trust me, the bar has their number. Even in my tiny town of 4000 there are two cab companies (Martha's and Bertha's :D) If you can't afford the fare then you can't afford the booze anyway.

I don't understand the whole 'whatever' mentality about it. If you want to sit at home and drink yourself into oblivion, fine. If you want to get drunk at a bar and take a cab or have a friend drive you home, fine - but the second you're drunk and you get behind the wheel of a car you deserve to rot in jail for a L-O-N-G time... in my opinion, anyway.

[Sparrk]

First, I don't believe in DRUNK driving, but I have no problem with someone driving after having a few.

Having said that, I hate how laws generalize people. Here, we have RIDE programs, and they randomly pull people over and do breathalyzers. We have a law that you must blow under a certain amount (can't remember the exact amount). It equals to about less than one drink per hour.

Now my problem with that, is that I am admittedly a beer drinker. I can have a few and be stone sober. So therefore the "legal limit" doesn't really apply to me. I can still have a few and be sober, however, according to the breathalyzer, I'm considered legally drunk.

My other problem is, that I don't understand why doesn't the city, or government, or whoever, can't make things easier. Wouldn't it be cool if bars, or restaurants who sell alcohol, have a discounted rate? It may sound stupid, but I live in the country. In my "township" there are no cabs available for the country bars. And a cab from the city to the where I live is $60 - $70!

And one last thing, the people who are so dead set against "having a few and driving", how do you feel about diabetics driving? They are ticking time bombs. What about epileptics driving? They are aware of their conditions but still drive? Is that alright?

[Ranger44]

Now my problem with that, is that I am admittedly a beer drinker. I can have a few and be stone sober. So therefore the "legal limit" doesn't really apply to me. I can still have a few and be sober, however, according to the breathalyzer, I'm considered legally drunk.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. The legal limit applies to everyone.

Depending on what your definition of a few is my guess is that you wouldn't pass field sobriety tests any better than the next person. Almost every subject tested that I have been around didn't think they were under the influence either but they were "under the influence" and judgement is one of the first things to go. When watching a video of themselves later they agreed they didn't see things quite right at the time.

A person can have several drinks over a certain amount of time and stay completely sober. If this is what you are talking about then I agree but you wouldn't test over the limit on the machine either. One beer equals one glass of wind equals one mixed drink(one shot sized). There have been so many tests done over the years that show the effects.

I don't want to sound too harsh but there are functioning alcoholics that spend much of life at .10 or more and they can fool some field sobriety tests but still be over the limit. Field sobriety tests are there to provide cause to test with a machine.

[Ranger44]

My other problem is, that I don't understand why doesn't the city, or government, or whoever, can't make things easier.

That's another statement I don't agree with. Why don't people take responsibility for themselves? It's not that difficult to manage your drinking to stay sober enough to legally drive. Designated driver anyone? Stop drinking some time before it's time to drive. There are options.

I don't mean to pick on any one person because I have heard so many excuses over the years. A little planning can save not only the embarrassment and hassle of arrest but maybe a life or two.

[quest]

I had 12 drinks one night, mostly hard liquor (yes, way too much) and drove the next morning. I didn't realize how intoxicated I still was till my friend made it obvious. It was a half hour drive home from where I had spent the night, it was scary and I will never do it again, I had my friend drive for the next 24 hours. Will never do that again, will always have a plan when I drink (not often at all). My friend told me if I ever get in that situation she will pick me up no matter where I'm at, it's good to know I have friends who care, but I shouldnt have gotten in that situation in the first place!! Make a plan before you start drinking!! And I say ditch the stylist too, 1. you didnt like her styling (which is a good enough reason alone) 2. that conversation could make things akward in the future, what fun is getting your hair done if it's akward? :) Socializing is part of why I enjoy it.

[TLC97]

Wow.
I want to thank everyone for their input. I have talked with the stylist and told her that I was upset she will not fix my highlights. She offered NOTHING. I told her based on that alone I will be changing stylist. I did also tell her that part of our conversation made me feel VERY uncomfortable and explained why. Her response was I needed to not be such a prude. HELLO, prude I am not. Heck hubby and I went to a b-day party Saturday and had a heck of a time, I had 3 mixed drinks, hubby had 3 beers in 6 hours and he was fine to drive home (he has a CDL so he will NEVER do anything to put that license in jeopardy). Needless to say now I have to find a new stylist, not going to be easy.

[rocknK]

Good for you, way to stand up for your principles!! Sounds like not only does the stylist not have much common sense but very little business sense as well. I say good riddance to bad rubbish.