Misty's training thread

[HeavensEast]

Misty is being hauled to natisha's today to get settled in before I come home for winter break. I'm very excited. No pictures as of yet, but natisha and/or mistygirl can post them once Misty is settled in.
I will start working with her on Tuesday evening. I am leaving for home Tuesday afternoon. I will definitely take pictures and/or video whenever possible to keep you guys updated. Plus, it helps me see progress and explains things to MG if she isn't there for the training session.

:)

[natisha]

Misty arrived safe & sound in a big fancy trailer. Poor thing was trembling. She's better now. She had a little tour then got turned out to meet some other ponies. MG can up date you more later.

[Petra]

I'm looking forward to updates! :)
Good luck!

[HeavensEast]

Misty arrived safe & sound in a big fancy trailer. Poor thing was trembling. She's better now. She had a little tour then got turned out to meet some other ponies. MG can up date you more later.
Good to hear.
Was she shivering from cold or was she scared?

[CaddoCinnamon]

Nice HE and Natisha and MG. I can't wait to see the progress that Misty makes there. Have fun ladies.

[mistygirl]

Misty is doing very well. She did good with putting the blanket on and liked runing up and down the lane shes in. we shortened it so she wouldn't get warm in her blanket then chill. Now that ist shortened she is relaxed and not running up and down.
Her are some photos:)

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20404
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20405
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20406
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20401
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20402
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20403
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20399
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20400
^this one is my favorite:)
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20398
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20395
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20397
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20396
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20392
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20393
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20394

[natisha]

Good to hear.
Was she shivering from cold or was she scared?Scared, she only had a 1.5 mile trip.

[CaddoCinnamon]

Nice pics MG. She really is a gorgeous black horse. I love jet black horses.

[natisha]

Well MG, I have to give you credit for not getting killed these last couple of years!

Misty is wound pretty tight. I know she's nervous at a new place but WOW. After having her lane runs shut down she walked circles around her turnout. She did eat, drink & poop.
I brought her in first because I knew it would upset her to see others leaving & also I wanted her alone. She walked in the barn fine though a little hesitant as expected. I had to remove her blanket-that's when the fun started :rolleyes: She would stand for a second & as soon as I started to remove the back leg straps she tried to spin. Start /stop repeat.
Being that it's impossible to remove straps from a horse whipping around & who will only stand if you stay at her head I went to plan B. I put the lead through a wall ring but held the end. She will try to slug you in the head with hers. She had a tantrum as in swinging her head like crazy though the rope wasn't tight. It was like she was mad because she couldn't reach me. She didn't pull back much, just had her own little fight.
After a few minutes she stood still (it's hard to fight alone) & I took the blanket off. She swung her butt towards me one time but a nice slap to her belly along with a grrrr & she quit that.
She leads well in scary or new situations & listens when she is not sure what to do. Otherwise it's her way or the highway. She's a pretty confused little mare. Cute though.
She's in a stall towards the front of the barn where it's busiest & is between 2 mares who ignore her.

[JackieB]

Beautiful photos!

Well Mistygirl, your horse is in the right place to get her problems sorted out. Be sure to do exactly what Natisha says. She and HE will be able to help both you and Misty make a lot of progress.

[mistygirl]

I don't know how I've made it for 3 years with out getting killed it must be our bond:) she does like to test new people. I'm hoping to be there at feeding time tomorrow to help out. well hopefully stay that long I will probably be over after 12 or 1 tomorrow.

[natisha]

I don't know how I've made it for 3 years with out getting killed it must be our bond:) she does like to test new people. I'm hoping to be there at feeding time tomorrow to help out. well hopefully stay that long I will probably be over after 12 or 1 tomorrow.MG, it's not just with new people, that's why she's here. She didn't kill you because in most cases you backed off before things got out of hand or you didn't push issues. I don't blame you but it's time to stop trying to make Misty happy. Misty has just entered military school. No more treats, stand means stand, not standing for a second then moving around as she wants.
Forget that bonding stuff for now. She needs to change her attitude from
"I don't have to" to
"Why should I?" to
"How can I?"

[WashingtonBay]

Sounds like Misty just arrived at boot camp :)

Very good... Hope all goes swimmingly for the next 30 days. :)

[mistygirl]

K I'm ready!!
You are totally right too I would just back away from her and not push her.
I'm ready to change and see a new me and a new misty:)
And it doesn't always help with my mom saying stuff that isn't true anyway we can teach my mom some stuff too just about how to be around her and stuff?

[Dakota Sunrise]

Mistygirl, you are very lucky to have Natisha and HE helping you, I'm so happy for you and Misty.:) Listen to them and trust their training plans. Natisha is the one that helped me with my mare's hoof behavior problem and the difference in Beauty now is incredible. She needed some tough love and I needed someone to push me into giving it to her. Natisha is that person and I'm sure Mandy is too, she's learned from the best. Stick with them and you and your mare will make a lot of progress, I can pretty much guarantee it.:) Beauty and I are living proof, and that is from online instruction only. You get to be with them in person.

[Tiz]

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20404

Misty says "Bring it."

[mistygirl]

thank you Dakota I will promise to do my best!
I've been enjoying spending time with natisha and getting to know her more she is very nice. I'm excited for this month worth of training:)


I've noticed I'm not really the same person I was last year. I've changed a lot. I hope mostly in the good way.

[mistygirl]

Tiz- very cute caption!

[Dakota Sunrise]

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20404

Misty says "Bring it."

Awesome picture and perfect caption.

It should be your avatar, MG.:)

[mistygirl]

ok:)

[mistygirl]

I made it my avatar what do you guys think?

[HeavensEast]

K I'm ready!!
You are totally right too I would just back away from her and not push her.
I'm ready to change and see a new me and a new misty:)
And it doesn't always help with my mom saying stuff that isn't true anyway we can teach my mom some stuff too just about how to be around her and stuff?What exactly is your mom saying?
Misty needs some tough love. Yes, Misty is starting to get attached to you since you are seeing her everyday. But you don't ask much of her.
She is going to throw tantrums, and I will have to discipline her. But I will always be fair and I hope your mom doesn't think I am being mean to her. I love Misty too. That's why I'm doing this, plus I want to help you become a better horseperson.. and that will help Misty as well. She needs consistency and a leader that she respects.
I'm proud of you for putting in all this effort to get better and help your horse.
I can't wait to start working with you and her. :)

[mistygirl]

I don't remember anymore what my mom says. One thing I do remember is when the new farrier cam out she like yeah misty can be mean sometimes with her feet and made the farrier worry, but misty was really good with the farrier.

[natisha]

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20404

Misty says "Bring it."That she does. She's not a shy, nervous horse though she has a lot of anxiety when she can't call the shots.

[natisha]

I don't remember anymore what my mom says. One thing I do remember is when the new farrier cam out she like yeah misty can be mean sometimes with her feet and made the farrier worry, but misty was really good with the farrier.In 1 hour & 9 minutes you forgot? Please don't try to BS me. I can't help you if are not honest.

[mistygirl]

Lets just not worry about my mom I'll just keep her out of it. I don't want to cause trouble. My mom and I havn't been doing well so I think I'll try to just keep her out of it. She doesn't like me telling her what shes doing wrong. She was raised up with horses but back then it was different.

[mistygirl]

I'm sorry I'm bad with remembering,but I remember one thing a lot of people tell me is my mom doesn't know how to just be around her.

[mistygirl]

I"m sorry Natisha just forget I even said anything about mom. We already have enough on our hands Me and Misty.

[HeavensEast]

I'm not trying to cause trouble, I just want your Mom to understand that we're trying to help you and your horse. That is all.

[natisha]

I'm sorry I'm bad with remembering,but I remember one thing a lot of people tell me is my mom doesn't know how to just be around her.Maybe so but she's your horse, you are the one who has to learn to work with her, correctly, safely.
Your Mom is welcomed to come out tomorrow & blanket Misty by herself. I'll watch.

Thanks for all your help today. I really appreciate it.:)

[GrungeEquestrian]

Lets just not worry about my mom I'll just keep her out of it. I don't want to cause trouble. My mom and I havn't been doing well so I think I'll try to just keep her out of it. She doesn't like me telling her what shes doing wrong. She was raised up with horses but back then it was different.

I just wanted to tell you and Misty good luck. You guys are in excellent hands with Natisha and HE.

i know how it is to have parents or relatives who think they know a lot horses. My one aunt (not the one Trouble is boarded at) thinks she knows it all. Today she was talking about some horses she rescued:innocent: and she said one had floundered :p instead of foundered.

It can be difficult but just reassure your mom that you and Misty are in good hands and you know what you are doing. It doesn't hurt to stick up for yourself in a respectful daughter manner. My aunt today told me, "No offense not that Trouble is a bad horse but she seems a little snobbish for staying in her stall during the rain. My daughter's horse isn't such a baby." :rolleyes: In reply I told her Trouble was not snobbish...just smart :p.

Just keep your eyes and ears working and your mind recording and you''ll be just fine...again good luck.

[JackieB]

it must be our bond:) she does like to test new people.

I was glad to see in your later post that you clarified this, mistygirl. It's nothing personal, Misty would do this with anyone, but the fact is that there isn't a bond between her and any human right now. She's a tough mare with a lot of attitude and she'll come around, but be sure to accept and follow Natisha's advice all the way.

If you know anyone with Clinton Anderson's "Gaining Respect and Control on the Ground Series 1" DVD set, he works with a mare named Britches (I think it is) who had been allowed to basically have her way for years. Clinton got her respect, but Britches wasn't about to give it to him easily.

To bring it into human terms, Natisha is going to help take away Misty's cell phone, Facebook account, and her car. She gets those things back one at a time as she earns them. Misty is not going to be happy about it for awhile, but will really see the benefit in the end.

Just be sure to support Natisha's efforts and follow her instructions precisely along the way. Natisha knows horses!

[JackieB]

I'm ready to change and see a new me and a new misty:)


Yay! That's the spirit. You can do it!!!!

[JackieB]

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1447&pictureid=20404

Misty says "Bring it."

That looks like exactly what Misty is saying in this photo!!!!!! "Natisha, Nasmisha, I know her type. She's no match for me."

Well Misty, we've got news. There's a new sheriff in town and you'll be thankful for her in the long run, but you've got some tough training ahead of you. :cowboy::cowboy:

[JackieB]

I made it my avatar what do you guys think?

Very nice! Misty is a beautiful horse. Leather halter too, just like Natisha requires. :):innocent:

We're really cheering you on!

[Tiz]

She's not a shy, nervous horse though she has a lot of anxiety when she can't call the shots.

Rules can be frustrating at first, especially for a horse that's been in charge. I want to see a photo of her expression in a week or two. I'll bet she looks happier.

[natisha]

Misty drank little water last night, looks like she spent lots of time stall walking.
This morning she stood on a tie ring in her stall while the others got blanketed & fed their grain. When it was her turn she stood very well though she did earn a few elbows to the nose. She then got her palmful of grain.
I see HE taught her to put her head down so that helped with leading. Stop, head down, start, bump her nose-repeat. She's doing things because she has to not because she wants to. She of course still has 'that look'.
She will get electrolytes today.
I still feel sick. HE can't get home soon enough.

[HeavensEast]

Misty drank little water last night, looks like she spent lots of time stall walking.
This morning she stood on a tie ring in her stall while the others got blanketed & fed their grain. When it was her turn she stood very well though she did earn a few elbows to the nose. She then got her palmful of grain.
I see HE taught her to put her head down so that helped with leading. Stop, head down, start, bump her nose-repeat. She's doing things because she has to not because she wants to. She of course still has 'that look'.
She will get electrolytes today.
I still feel sick. HE can't get home soon enough.
I know, just three more days!!

[CaddoCinnamon]

That is awesome HE and Natisha.

[mistygirl]

Thanks for all the suport, and you are very welcome natisha I enjoy helping at the barn.:)

[CaddoCinnamon]

Well how is everything going so far. I can't wait to hear about the updates on this mare and you MG. I believe you all are going to be a great team together.

[mistygirl]

Its going good I'm learning how to understand what I was missing before.
Were teaching her that she needs humans.
we put her on the tie ring in her stall and make her wait to get unblanketed, untill she stands nice and make her wait for her grain and hay last. Its teaches her that she needs us and not horses.

[HeavensEast]

Ahh.. one more day and I get to see my two students. :)
I'm going crazy here. :crazy::p

[mistygirl]

hehe YAY!

[natisha]

So now we see a small stubborn streak rearing its ugly head. Little missy miss didn't want to come into the barn alone (she's brought in first). She walked nicely-ish to the barn then stopped. I mean stopped. I asked 2 times for her to walk forward then it was showtime.
We had a bonding session or more like she had a bonding session with the end of my lead & her butt. Then she walked right in. Stood like a dream to have her blanket removed.
She still tries to swing her head at you but that is getting better.

[mistygirl]

Yeah she has never liked being alone. She'll evenchally learn being alone isn't going to kill her haha. I'm glad she stood good for you to un blanket her.

[natisha]

Yeah she has never liked being alone. She'll evenchally learn being alone isn't going to kill her haha. I'm glad she stood good for you to un blanket her.No horse really likes being alone but she has to learn that being with people is not being alone. She also has to learn that she must do as asked. She'll get there.

[Remali]

She's sure a nice looking mare, I like her facial marking, very unique!

Glad that she is getting some training in manners and such, in the end she will be a much happier horse. And you're going to be more happy too Mistysgirl, keep up the good work you guys!

[JackieB]

Ahh.. one more day and I get to see my two students. :)
I'm going crazy here. :crazy::p

This is going to be so awesome! We need lots of pictures, videos, etc.

You sure are an amazing young person! Fortunately, we've got lots of them on the forum. Good luck with that last final tomorrow.

[JackieB]

She walked nicely-ish to the barn then stopped. I mean stopped. I asked 2 times for her to walk forward then it was showtime.


Oh boy.

Misty - This is where I'm stopping Natisha. If you don't like it, tough!
Natisha - Sure about that, are you?
Misty - You betcha. Got a problem with that?
Natisha - Nope, not at all. You do your thing and I'll do mine.
Misty - Hey! Who do you think you are with that lead rope?!!!!! Nobody has ever done that to me before!!!! You're mean.
Natisha - Excuse me, would you please step the rest of the way into the barn?
Misty - I will not...... Ow! You did it again - even harder!!!!
Natisha - Excuse me, would you please step the rest of the way into the barn?
Misty - OK, but it's my decision.
Natisha - Yes, of course. I applaud you for making a good decision.

:p:p:p

[CaddoCinnamon]

That is too funny.

[natisha]

Yes JackieB very much like that. Only it took just one crack & she had a blanket on so it was more noise than anything. She's learning the 'Why do I have to" stage.

[FredRock]

Lets just not worry about my mom I'll just keep her out of it. I don't want to cause trouble. My mom and I havn't been doing well so I think I'll try to just keep her out of it. She doesn't like me telling her what shes doing wrong. She was raised up with horses but back then it was different.

With any parent that has or hasn't been around horses, it's always a problem when the child tries to teach. I've been there, done that, and it's not fun. Even when the child is right, the archetype is that the parent is right and the parent will gladly take that role, even ignoring the facts.

If there is a problem with your mother, it might be easier for you to discuss it in private with Natisha, instead of publicly on the forum. It's obivously not an easy topic for you to discuss, and you know full well what your mother says and how frustrating it is to work against her. So discussing it with your horse's trainer is more critical than speaking about it here for everyone to see. If your mother is someone who will be handling Misty, it is important that she changes her thinking of acceptable behavior lest Misty simply regresses (believe me, it doesn't take much for extinction to occur). Your mother will benefit from going to a training session or two and learning what is going on and how things are changing and why. Being able to ask questions from someone who isn't "lesser" in terms of social standing will resonate better than you simply trying to argue with her.

I've lucked out, and my parents generally agree with what I say when it comes to care and training. But when we clash, it's big, and I usually have to get someone else on my side who "knows" what they're talking about, because after 10 years, I apparently still have no clue. :rolleyes:

[HeavensEast]

This is going to be so awesome! We need lots of pictures, videos, etc.

You sure are an amazing young person! Fortunately, we've got lots of them on the forum. Good luck with that last final tomorrow.Thanks JackieB. My last final went decently and now I'm just waiting for my parents to get here (hiding out in the computer lab because my roommate is very upset with me :eek:, but that's a whole 'nother story)..
Misty will probably have her first training session tonight when I get home. I'll try to get some pictures, but I think I will be alone so it may have to wait until Wednesday.

[mistygirl]

Very cute skript JackieB

And thanks for the advise everyone:)

[JackieB]

Very cute skript JackieB



Script? What script? I just wrote down what Misty and Natisha said to each other. :p:hysterical:

[HeavensEast]

Here's an update for you guys. I worked with Misty tonight and she was pretty good. She was very pushy at first, but she got over that once she realized I wasn't going to put up with it. She also is very fidgety with her head, which did get better over the session.
We worked on leading and then I tied her up to the tie ring in the arena and let her fight herself. I snapped the lunge whip around and at first she was dancing around a lot, but she eventually stood like a champ. Working on desensitizing her to the whip and the very loud sound this particular whip made. It was almost equivalent to a gun shot. I got her used to that, and then we worked on leading some more. After that, we worked on standing still while I worked around her.
Overall, she was good. No pictures or video, sorry! Natisha's memory card is at MG's house, although it should be here for tomorrow's session.

[JackieB]

Sounds like a great session, HE.

Missing memory cards are no excuse. Do you tell your college professors that you left your homework at someone else's house? :p:p

[CaddoCinnamon]

Nice. I am following this thread very closely. I am hoping to learn some things as I read the thread. Glad that Misty and you had a great session.

[HeavensEast]

Update from today:
Mistygirl brought Misty in from her little turn-out area (she was very good with coming in by the way, didn't rush ahead or balk at the door) and then we put her on a tie-ring in her stall while we topped off water and got everything ready for the horses to be brought in for the night.
I let Misty have her handful of grain and then brought everyone else in. Once everyone was in, I took her out to the tie-ring in the indoor. We worked on saddling up. She was a little cinchy at first, but she straightened out really quickly.
I have some video that mistygirl took of me working with Misty. She also has some video of me lunging Misty that she took on her camera. That will be up tomorrow. Excuse my attire, by the way. College has made me love sweat pants a little too much. :p;)
YouTube - Misty's Training Sesson - Part 1
I took the western saddle off right away because I wanted her to get used to the saddle coming on and off. The western saddle was too heavy for me to do that.
Soo, I used the english saddle mistygirl is looking to buy, which unfortunately doesn't fit her (in my opinion). It did serve its purpose for desensitizing though.
YouTube - Misty's training session - Part 2
This last one is pretty boring. I was trying to figure out her breast collar, only to realize it didn't really fit anyways.
YouTube - Misty's training session - Part 3

Enjoy. :)

[JackieB]

Awesome! I'm quite impressed. I think Misty deserves a lot of credit for coming along so nicely in her training. She looks like she has tons of potential.

Regarding the cinchy-ness (sp?), she actually did pretty well. She listened when you told her to knock it off. She'll probably always be a horse who needs to be cinched up in a respectful manner. But that's OK. All horses deserve that much consideration. But because of that, I think it will be extremely important that Mistygirl get the cinching procedure down well during her training. No reefing down on the thing all at once and not a lot of messing around with it when it's tightened properly. That's my opinion anyway. Cinch the saddle up correctly, check after some movement to make sure it's still in good shape, but leave it alone if it's tightened correctly.

Great job! I can't wait to see more videos.

[Tiz]

I thought Misty was already being ridden. No?

[natisha]

I thought Misty was already being ridden. No?Misty has many holes in her training. I think the most riding has been being sat on & maybe walked around a round pen. So she has been backed.
Her biggest problem right now is her lack of try & she has learned to intimidate in the past.

[Kara]

Hmm.

Why tie her when your desentizing her? Wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose? Get her in the open and do all that so she'll understand the whole thing, not tie because she knows she's not suppose to move?

[HeavensEast]

JackieB: Yeah, she isn't as cinchy as she used to be. She also behaved very well once I disciplined her. You're right, every horse should be cinched up in a respectful manner.

Tiz: Misty has been ridden, walk/trot only, mostly in a round pen. I can imagine she is still very green. Her ground manners are lacking. I'd also like to teach her to lunge properly and a few others things before I go to get on.

Kara: Well, she hasn't always tied so well. Part of it is teaching her to stand still while tied no matter what. She can certainly still move around on that tie-ring if she chose to.
I did take her off the tie-ring and work her, but that video is on mistygirl's camera.

[JackieB]

Tiz: Misty has been ridden, walk/trot only, mostly in a round pen. I can imagine she is still very green. Her ground manners are lacking. I'd also like to teach her to lunge properly and a few others things before I go to get on.


Who is going to ride her the first few times? I would guess that she may want to act up a bit given her tendency to show some attitude and past history.

I can handle a horse that requires me to stay right with it every second of the way and be ready to do a one-rein stop, but I can't stay on if there is any bucking involved. I wish I could, but I just can't.

[HeavensEast]

Who is going to ride her the first few times? I would guess that she may want to act up a bit given her tendency to show some attitude and past history.

I can handle a horse that requires me to stay right with it every second of the way and be ready to do a one-rein stop, but I can't stay on if there is any bucking involved. I wish I could, but I just can't.
I'm going to ride her because natisha says she knows CPR.

[WashingtonBay]

:hysterical:

[JackieB]

I'm going to ride her because natisha says she knows CPR.

Oh boy. Can we get a video? Hopefully, it will be just so totally uneventful that the video will be boring.

[Kara]

Gotcha!

[lacyloo]

I haven't been following Misty's story so I'm assuming...
She was previously "started" but was never finished? And might have
picked up bad habits along the way?..MG was overwhelmed with a green horse
and Natisha came to save the day?

[Tiz]

I don't tie to saddle initially. If there's any disturbance, being tied can heap on the problem.

I would have you think about ignoring her cinchy-ness, instead of yelling at her too. It isn't that big of a deal, and she'll get over it.

[mistygirl]

I guess you can put it that way. When I got her as a rescue she was skin and bones. I didn't know anything about her when I got her. we started training her when I first got her at my friends, never finished. Then moved her got training till it was too cold, never finished. summer closed to fall Amanda came to help, never finished. moved her to kims farm worked on randome things with her, never finished. So she has had different training here and there. Yes she was starting to get dangerous, mom finally relized and payed for training as a christmas gift for me. What I mean by never finished is never had the main basics down to say shes green broke. We think she might of had training in her younger ages once though.

[Tiz]

Dangerous like how?

[natisha]

I haven't been following Misty's story so I'm assuming...
She was previously "started" but was never finished? And might have
picked up bad habits along the way?..MG was overwhelmed with a green horse
and Natisha came to save the day?Well you're mostly right except it was HeavensEast who came to the rescue. I'm just the back up.
Misty was started originally by a good trainer who put some ground work on her but quit after a short time & since then her training has been hodge podge at best.
I offered to teach MG so HE's training won't go to waste.

[lacyloo]

Oh okay :)

[Remali]

You're doing a nice job with Misty, I agree about the English saddle, it doesn't appear to fit Misty. From what I could tell it seemed rather narrow for her. She's really a pretty mare, how old is she?

I live in sweat pants much of the winter, and I used to ride in them too, I just wore some long underwear underneath my sweats, lol.

[natisha]

I don't tie to saddle initially. If there's any disturbance, being tied can heap on the problem.

I would have you think about ignoring her cinchy-ness, instead of yelling at her too. It isn't that big of a deal, and she'll get over it.She wasn't tied hard. She's been saddled before but had started to kick & bite. More of a don't want to than don't understand kind of thing. She knows better & she responds well to a well timed growl. She is not a fearful horse.

[mistygirl]

We think she is 7 years old.

[Tiz]

I didn't think she was fearful. As long as she doesn't move, or reach around and try to bite, the grumpy expression is pretty meaningless.

[Brandy101]

I love misty she is the most beautiful horse i have ever know love you ashley

[natisha]

Dangerous like how?Kicking, biting & her favorite is to sling her head into yours, even when just being lead. All that has vastly improved already.

[Remali]

Well, with some good consistent training that she is now getting, I bet Misty will be a great horse for you MG. 7 is a good age for a horse, she's still learning. She sounds like a stinker, but she'll get over that pretty soon I bet.

[natisha]

I didn't think she was fearful. As long as she doesn't move, or reach around and try to bite, the grumpy expression is pretty meaningless.A little fear would be a good thing for her.;)

[mistygirl]

Yeah she can be a stinker but she is improving well.

[Brandy101]

Haha I like the fact that misty is going through training maybe she will stop being a brat lol it is so funny when i visit her she loves the fact that i bring her favorite treat carrotts yes she is a carrot freak thanks for helping mistygirl with misty's training it is awesome!:cowboy:

[mistygirl]

She doesn't get treats for a while though shes in boot camp

[Brandy101]

Dang it that stinks she loves her carrots i would never take away her favortie snack of the day why did you she is probably thinking ashley doesn't give me my nummies in my tummies anymore and she left me here in bootcamp for the rest of decemeber but i don't know what she is thinking but yea haha. She will get them back soon I Hope Love Brandy101:);)

[mistygirl]

She doesn't get treats because she looks at me for treats only and we don't want that once she looks at me as a human and respects me maybe she'll get treats once and a while.

[natisha]

She doesn't get treats because she looks at me for treats only and we don't want that once she looks at me as a human and respects me maybe she'll get treats once and a while.Very good answer :)

[mistygirl]

thank you
learned it from you. :)

[Tiz]

A horse that's learned it can bite a human should be treatless for life. If you want her to have a carrot, put it in her bucket, before she's put away. If you're hand feeding it, then it's more your treat, not hers.

[natisha]

A horse that's learned it can bite a human should be treatless for life. If you want her to have a carrot, put it in her bucket, before she's put away. If you're hand feeding it, then it's more your treat, not hers.Absolutely! I'm sure MG knows why treats are outlawed with Misty. She can give treats by hand to any other horse here though.
LOL-even Lambo boomped me with his head when I ran out of treats, so of course I got him more. But he's not spoiled, no sir, not at all.:rolleyes:

[JackieB]

I don't tie to saddle initially. If there's any disturbance, being tied can heap on the problem.

That Blocker tie-ring will pull right out, no problem in case of emergency. I don't know if you've ever used one, but it starts to give rope out at less than 10lbs of pressure, I'd say.

[Kara]

another thing is when you were throwing the blanket on her why are ya letting her move? shouldn't she been standing still while messing with her?

[JackieB]

Very good answer :)

I agree with Natisha, Misty. You are learning and taking this seriously. Good job!

[JackieB]

another thing is when you were throwing the blanket on her why are ya letting her move? shouldn't she been standing still while messing with her?

She wasn't moving much, and that will lessen with more training sessions.

One thing I learned early on that helped so much with Buster when he was a monster of a handful (that I think probably applies to HE's methods here) is to pick my battles. If he was doing what I wanted generally speaking, give him a little leeway otherwise.

So in this case, as long as Misty isn't freaking out, pulling back, and trying to kick or bite, I'd allow some moving around within the length of the lead rope while saddling and desensitizing. Over time, I'm sure that HE and then Mistygirl will ask Misty to be more patient and still while saddling.

[Tiz]

I use tie rings, Jackie. How hard it is to pull the rope through has to do with how you use it, and how big the diameter of your rope is. Ten pounds is too wimpy, and defeats the purpose of the invention, imo.

And Kara's question about making her stand, is another reason I don't tie when I'm saddling. You can't "make" a horse stand, but you can make them move if they don't. Until they get that message, being tied prevents you from doing all you can to be clear.

"If he was doing what I wanted generally speaking, give him a little leeway otherwise."

Gray. I don't think animals get gray.:)

[WashingtonBay]

What are you guys even looking at? (Kara, Tiz)

I don't see the horse act up in the tie or even act like she's close to acting up. Nor do I see her move while she's tossing the pad. She's being an angel. Am I missing a video?

[JackieB]

I use tie rings, Jackie.

"If he was doing what I wanted generally speaking, give him a little leeway otherwise."

Gray. I don't think animals get gray.

It's not gray for the horse, Tiz. It's just breaking down the training into parts that start with a foundation and build from there. In this case, the foundation is starting with not freaking out or being aggressive during saddling and then refining as time goes on.

I got the "Pick your battles" saying from an eventer friend, but the foundation/refinement concept applies to virtually any type of training (for us or the horses) and has worked beautifully for me.

For example, our biggest challenge was speed control and controlling all of the energy that went along with it. If Buster would maintain the gait I wanted (e.g. walk), he could prance, fidget, and maybe not go in a perfectly straight line. Frankly, it was all he could handle at the time anyway (think OTTB even though he's a QH). The battle I chose was - walk. Once we got that down (which took months or more), then I started asking him to calm down more and more until we could really enjoy a leisurely trail ride. I wouldn't say that's gray at all.

[HeavensEast]

Thanks for watching guys, but I'm not sure what you mean by her moving while I'm desensitizing her to the pad. The only time she moved was when I asked her to move over when I switched sides. Although she did move when I put the saddle on for the first time, and I told her "ho".
I plan to work on standing still while I work around her off the tie-ring today, as I have been the past two times. I haven't posted those videos yet as they are on mistygirl's camera.
She has been saddled before, at least a dozen times. I'm just starting from the beginning to make sure there are no holes.
I would like to just ignore her sassiness at being saddled, but then she will probably go back to being really naughty about it. If you give her an inch, she takes a mile.
I do appreciate the suggestions, though. :)

[WashingtonBay]

Thanks for watching guys, but I'm not sure what you mean by her moving while I'm desensitizing her to the pad. The only time she moved was when I asked her to move over when I switched sides. Although she did move when I put the saddle on for the first time, and I told her "ho".

That's what I saw too :)

[Tiz]

That isn't how I read your first comment, Jackie. I thought you meant something more like letting things slide from time to time. I get what you are saying now.

[Tiz]

I didn't say she was moving around, WB, so I think we both saw the same thing.

[Remali]

She looked nice and quiet to me too.

[Kara]

It's not that. To move her over and wait till she quits moving before starting again is what i would have done so she doesn't get mixed signals :).

[HeavensEast]

Update for today:
We worked on leading tonight first and then standing while I worked around her. We did some turn on the haunches, turn on the forehand, and side passing as well.
I worked on having her stand while I walked to the end of the lunge line. I also ran back and forth like a dufus. She did spook once, but it was pretty much in place and then stood like a good girl.
Also worked on having a rope around her belly. She didn't like that very much, but she stood after a bit of protest (pinning her ears and walking off).
We also did some lunging. She is getting much better about her whoas and transitions, but I have discovered she doesn't like to canter. We had a bit of a blow up there. She was doing airs above the ground and at one time she came in at me and reared. I did eventually get her to canter almost a whole circle and then I ended on that good note with the lunging. At the walk and trot she is doing good, but the canter is going to take some work. It's getting better though as well.
We took some video, but I won't be editing it till tomorrow. I'm tired. :p

[AUEquine]

Sounds like great progress!!!
I'm ok with horses spooking... heck if a deer jumps out of the woods, it's gonna scare me. It's all about how they react when they spook. A horse that plants its feet and looks to you for reasurance is what my main goal is. What you don't want is the horse that gets a blind eye to humans and sees everything after the spook as danger and flees in fear. So if she just stood in place when she got concerned, that's great. Especially if she imediately looked to you for reasurance, and when you told her it was ok, she settled.
Cantering on the lunge can be a hard thing for many horses. Sounds like Misty in many ways is like a young horse. Even though she's roughly 7, she's got the mind and balance of a 2 year old. So it can take a while for them to learn to balance themselves on a lunge line at the canter. Most want to just take off away from you in a much larger circle.

[JackieB]

She was doing airs above the ground and at one time she came in at me and reared.

Yowzer! Good job.

Can't wait to see this session's training video. Get editing. Being tired is now excuse!

Mistygirl,
Please know that you need a lot of good horse training yourself. That's nothing to be embarrassed about one single bit. But if you don't learn all of these things, Misty will just say "You're not Natisha or HeavensEast. Your Mistygirl. I don't have to do a thing that you tell me to." and she'll go right back to her difficult ways. You can do it!

[magayle]

love the updates:) you're all doing great at building lots of trust for this beautiful horse:cowboy:

[gabhainn]

For what its worth good job, listen to Mandy and Jeanne and you will be sure to become as fine a horsewoman as they are.........Kevin

[natisha]

Yowzer! Good job.

Can't wait to see this session's training video. Get editing. Being tired is now excuse!

Mistygirl,
Please know that you need a lot of good horse training yourself. That's nothing to be embarrassed about one single bit. But if you don't learn all of these things, Misty will just say "You're not Natisha or HeavensEast. Your Mistygirl. I don't have to do a thing that you tell me to." and she'll go right back to her difficult ways. You can do it!Being tired is now excuse! Now excuse versus then excuse?

[JackieB]

Being tired is now excuse! Now excuse versus then excuse?

You know, it's not easy being the only person around this place with a nearly perfect and unassailable command of the English language. Others, out of jealousy or insecurity, are always trying to find something to take me down. :p:p:innocent:

[Tiz]

Fortunately, you make it easy for us dummies.

[natisha]

You know, it's not easy being the only person around this place with a nearly perfect and unassailable command of the English language. Others, out of jealously or insecurity, are always trying to find something to take me down. :p:p:innocent:
jealously--???

[Tiz]

Oh dear, JackieB is beginning to unravel at an alarming rate.:eek:

[JackieB]

jealousy--???

I have no idea what you are talking about. I said "jealousy" and you can't prove anything different. Go back to the original post and read it if you don't believe me. :p

[Tiz]

God saw that, Jackie.

[GrungeEquestrian]

God saw that, Jackie.

:hysterical: You guys crack me up.

[JackieB]

God saw that, Jackie.

Oh, man!!!! Now it's not just my reputation as the wordsmith I have to worry about, but my soul, too!!!

You don't understand what it's like, Tiz!!!! This pressure is crushing. Day in and day out, I've got people coming at me looking for the tiniest little spelling or grammar mistake. Eventually, it just gets to be too much. I didn't know what else to do.

[Tiz]

Rationalizing now, Jackie? For shame.

[JackieB]

Rationalizing now, Jackie? For shame.

We all have our weaknesses, Tiz.

[HeavensEast]

Just thought I would upload these for you guys. There are some holes in the videos, as there was almost 40 minutes of video to edit. MG videotaped Misty and I with natisha's camera. I think we may use a tripod next time so MG doesn't have to hold the camera the whole time. :p Some of it may not make sense, so I will explain if anyone has questions. Right now I don't have time to go through and do that unless someone has specific questions.
For your viewing pleasure :);):
YouTube - Misty's training session from 12/23

YouTube - Misty's training session - 12/23

YouTube - Misty's training session - 12/23

YouTube - Misty's training session - 12/23

[JackieB]

I'm very impressed. You are an excellent trainer, HE, and Misty is coming along beautifully. She's very sensitive. I really noticed how nicely she sidepassed off of very light pressure with the stick and how well she paid attention to you.

Regarding her antics at the canter, I think you handled them really well. She's a lot of horse and once that is all under control, I'm sure it will be a very good thing. She's not dull at all, that's for sure.

I had a lot of trouble with Buster cantering on the lunge line as well. It was because he didn't understand collection. It was hard for him to canter smoothly in that small radius. Once we started to get collected, it fell into place.

MistyGirl, good camera work. That's a long time to film. I'll bet it's exciting to see Misty coming along so well! If I could make a somewhat-unrelated suggestion, try not to sniff for a long time like that. Go grab a Kleenex at a break. I hope that's not too personal of a suggestion. My wife is really strict with me on that (I get about two sniffs and then I am required to go get a Kleenex) and I'm glad she is. It just helps us be more respectful of others.

[Tiz]

We all have our weaknesses, Tiz.

You're not starting to take me seriously, are you?:eek:

[Petra]

I didn't have the time to watch them all. I will finish later. From what I've seen you're doing a great job HE! Well done! :)

[JackieB]

You're not starting to take me seriously, are you?:eek:

No. :p

[HeavensEast]

Thanks JackieB and Petra. :)

[Tiz]

No. :p
Had me worried for a second.


HE, do you want opinions or ideas? I'm not sure, and I don't want to butt in if you don't.:)

[Dakota Sunrise]

Great job, Mandy! Looks like she's really making progress, I've been following this whole thread and just saw the latest videos. I'm enjoying watching your training techniques. It makes me want to go work with Beauty, but we have a foot of snow and it's freezing out so there's not a lot I can do with her unfortunately. Lunging her in the snow probably isn't a good idea, and it's almost too cold to ride, I wouldn't last long in the saddle. And I wouldn't want to get her too sweated up either.

I love Natisha's indoor arena!! So jealous!:p I think Beauty and I need to come visit.:innocent: lol

Thanks for filming all this, MG. I'm enjoying watching her training.:)

[mistygirl]

Your welcome I enjoy filming

[HeavensEast]

Had me worried for a second.


HE, do you want opinions or ideas? I'm not sure, and I don't want to butt in if you don't.:)
Opinions are welcome. :)

[HeavensEast]

Great job, Mandy! Looks like she's really making progress, I've been following this whole thread and just saw the latest videos. I'm enjoying watching your training techniques. It makes me want to go work with Beauty, but we have a foot of snow and it's freezing out so there's not a lot I can do with her unfortunately. Lunging her in the snow probably isn't a good idea, and it's almost too cold to ride, I wouldn't last long in the saddle. And I wouldn't want to get her too sweated up either.

I love Natisha's indoor arena!! So jealous!:p I think Beauty and I need to come visit.:innocent: lol

Thanks for filming all this, MG. I'm enjoying watching her training.:)Thanks Lizzy. I think you and Beauty need to come visit too. :)
Of course you'd have to bring Dakota too. :p

[Dakota Sunrise]

Thanks Lizzy. I think you and Beauty need to come visit too. :)
Of course you'd have to bring Dakota too. :p

Of course. He goes where I go.:) But Beauty is the one who really needs to meet you and Natisha, and the indoor arena!:p

[natisha]

MistyGirl, per our agreement you would get free board, feed & bedding but you were to clean Misty's stall. Exceptions were made after the fact for your Tuesday CHC meetings & Christmas.
You wanting to go shopping is not a good reason to skip cleaning your stall. HE should not have to try to track you down to see if you plan on fulfilling your obligation.

[mistygirl]

Oh I'm sorry I'm committed to you now. It was just a one day thing and my phone died. I'm at a Christmas party. I can maybe come out today if needed.

[WashingtonBay]

I can maybe come out today if needed.

If needed? Any reason to think your horse didn't mess her stall today? Not much of today is left.

Just sayin.

[HeavensEast]

Oh I'm sorry I'm committed to you now. It was just a one day thing and my phone died. I'm at a Christmas party. I can maybe come out today if needed.
I already cleaned her stall today. I'm going to work with her later though.

[natisha]

Oh I'm sorry I'm committed to you now. It was just a one day thing and my phone died. I'm at a Christmas party. I can maybe come out today if needed.You're not committed to me.
Phone or not, no one should have to be reminded to do what they agreed to do.

[natisha]

If needed? Any reason to think your horse didn't mess her stall today? Not much of today is left.

Just sayin.:banghead:

[JackieB]

You're not committed to me.
no one should have to be reminded to do what they agreed to do.

Very good point, Natisha. Nobody's perfect, but we can all do our best to be responsible.

MistyGirl, nobody on this forum has been more enthusiastic about your progress and Misty's than me. I'm cheering you on. You can turn this around immediately. You can do it.

[WashingtonBay]

Don't do that Natisha... you're gonna give me a headache ;)

[natisha]

Don't do that Natisha... you're gonna give me a headache ;)
Sorry WB, I wouldn't want you to get a headache.
Do you have a pulling hair out smiley?

[WashingtonBay]

I don't. I might have to get one though, if you're going to take on slacker teenagers.



Mistygirl... you are being given an opportunity here, and while others work with your horse, and clean up your horse poop, things your horse needs every day... you write that you've blown them off for a party. Tell me you're not so self-centered you can't see how rude that is.

People are giving their time and effort to help you. Don't squander it. Don't make them ask themselves whether you're worth it. Because I guarantee you're not. They don't need you. You need them.

I found a trainer to take me in when I was in high school, I was probably close to your age... A woman who, in the end, meant everything to me growing up and becoming a responsible, accomplished horsewoman. Oh I tried to slack off then, I was as normal a teenager as any. She scared the daylights out of me, threatened to hang me from the nail my halter and leadrope belonged on if she saw me throw them in the dirt again. She worked me very hard, expected a lot from me, but she gave much more than she ever took. Opportunities I'd have never had without her. I am sorry now for the times I disappointed her. I didn't get it then, either. Wish I had. Wish I'd have had someone to tell me.

Just sayin'.

[natisha]

MG came over. In my calmest grown up voice I told her,"You're lucky I don't f...n murder you." or something adult like that. All is OK now.

Misty showed her true colors today. She went into attack mode at HE when she decided trotting & stopping was too much trouble. HE handled it well. Then HE let me play with her. It was fun. Misty worked up a good sweat but finally gave in. She's a tough one.

[WashingtonBay]

:cowboy:

[JackieB]

MG came over.... All is OK now.


Good, MG. That was the right thing to do, by far! Not wait until tomorrow and apologize, but drop what you are doing and go make it right - now.

Please understand, we're all pulling for you. But we're going to hold you to the same standard we do ourselves, which is making sure that our beloved horses are cared for every day. And not let others do it for us just because we know they are there and will.

If you make this decision to commit yourself to taking care of Misty, improving in school, and caring enough about your work to make others notice and care about it too, you'll be glad you did for the rest of your life. Your pride will start to build upon itself and the feeling of accomplishment you will receive from succeeding by doing your best will be like no other. You can do it.

[JackieB]

Misty showed her true colors today. She went into attack mode at HE when she decided trotting & stopping was too much trouble. HE handled it well.

Yowzer! Did you get it on film?

[natisha]

Yowzer! Did you get it on film?No, we weren't filming because HE wasn't doing anything new & we didn't anticipate that happening.

[Tiz]

Don't you people ever sleep?:)

[Tiz]

Mistygirl, I hope you decide not to blow it.

[magayle]

Don't you people ever sleep?:)

:hysterical: nope - we nap - often - like a horse

[magayle]

Mistygirl, I hope you decide not to blow it.

took the words right out of my mouth.....nothin' like putin' a human and horse together to find out what a person is really like...i also believe that the horse mirrors us perfectly...the good, the bad and the ugly....MG, you have some amazing teachers right now (all three of 'em) - stuff that will help you through your whole life....the universe/God/creator....will always send us all that we need to learn...begin by being grateful :cowboy:

[natisha]

Don't you people ever sleep?:)Sleep is for mortals

[Tiz]

So just being Queen wasn't good enough for you?:p

[natisha]

So just being Queen wasn't good enough for you?:pNever settle

[lacyloo]

MG, sometimes in life you just gotta sit back- shut up-and listen. I learned it at an early age while taking lessons from an experienced barrel racer. You gotta remember, they know what they are doing. If you dont understand- ask. :cowboy:

[HeavensEast]

Update for 12/27:
Misty was much more cooperative about being lunged. She still worked up a good sweat, but she didn't go into attack mode. I didn't do anything other than lunging because she was good and it was a good place to end.
Update for 12/28:
I started out where I left out on the 27th, with the lunging. This time I saddled her up in her stall beforehand. She didn't give me any trouble at all with saddling. She was good about the lunging, except for one blowup (she didn't want to stop, I yielded her hindquarters and she snaked her head at me, so I told her to knock it off and she started rearing at me instead..we backed up quite a bit until she quit the crap). She is much less reactive when changing directions and transitioning to different gaits. For example, she doesn't pin her ears and stomp off when I ask her to do something any more. Well, for the most part. I also practicing mounting her from both sides. I always kept her head tipped towards me just in case she decided to blow. She was very good though! Didn't even try to bite out a chunk of my leg, MG. ;)
We ended with me desensitizing her to ropes on her legs. She has done that before so it wasn't anything new. No video, sorry!

[Petra]

Glad to hear she is progressing so nicely HE! You are doing a great job. :)

[CaddoCinnamon]

Glad to see her doing so well now. Keep it up MG, Natisha, and HE.

[JackieB]

Great job!

[Remali]

Good job all of you!

[HeavensEast]

Here's some video from 12/26:
YouTube - Misty's training session - 12/26
Natisha wanted to give it a try (I cut the sound because her language wasn't PG ;)):
YouTube - Jeane working with Misty

I will have an update and video from 12/29 later today.

[Remali]

Lookin' good! She did really well with the plastic. Misty's coming along really well, she's looking more calm.

[Petra]

She is coming along nicely! Good job! :)

[HeavensEast]

Thanks everyone.

I still have to upload video from 12/29.
I will just give a typed update for now. Misty started out bad. She didn't want to walk at all. I got her to walk, then we did some trotting. She is getting much better at canter departures and staying in the canter, though. She was not stopping when I asked (at the canter). I think part of it may have had to do with my mistakes. I wasn't letting her stand long enough after I asked her to stop. However, she was doing this repeatedly. Finally, I was tired of asking. I smacked the whip near her hind end and pulled her head towards me at the same time to attempt to yield her hindquarters. Well, first she took off, then she spun and ran the other way. I eventually got her to stop and relax. She is just so explosive and impulsive, as natisha says. I agree. We tried again and I got a decent stop. I let her rest for a couple minutes after that.
I tried the canter again and I got two perfect stops, so I quit and let her just relax and catch her breath.
Mistygirl showed up just as I was done. We let Misty rest some more, then I had MG try lunging Misty. Misty was an angel. MG did very well following directions and executing commands to Misty.

I didn't work with Misty on the 30th, as it was my birthday and I didn't have the time to work with her.

Update for yesterday:
I worked on leading a lot, to really reinforce "whoa." She is getting really good about leading. I wanted to mix it up a little, so I did the "point and send" exercise. Misty apparently didn't want to mix it up. She had another major fit. It all started when I had her whoa, and then I was going to send her off again. Well, she didn't want to. So she pinned her ears and came at me. I didn't like that, so I tried to make her back out of my space. Then she got really nasty. We did this for probably almost 2 minutes straight. Back Misty.. no, I'll just take off and snake my head at you. BACK Misty.. NO, I'll come at you with the "I'm thinking about crushing your skull look". Finally, that wasn't working so I sent her off onto a circle and did a lot of changes of direction to get her working and focused on me. I stopped her and then tried the back up again. She finally gave in and backed without challenging me. That's all I wanted. She is a stubborn little bugger though. I seriously thought she was going to trample me at one point. She just had that look in her eye like she wanted to kill me. No joke. :doh:
After that, we did some lunging. She was much better about her whoas yesterday, at all gaits. So, she is progressing, just not without a fight. I also bridled her yesterday. She is exponentially better about her head. She doesn't swing her head at all any more when you're working with her. It's so nice! We did a lot flexing as well. She is very light.
MG worked with her on leading at the end to cool her off. Misty did good with that, but I think MG still needs to be more firm with Misty. I could tell Misty was testing her a little bit. MG did well with her timing on when to reward and when to discipline.
MG led Misty back into her stall and we both groomed her. Misty decided it would be a good idea to try to attack the neighboring horse (they were all inside because of icy paddocks.. good ole January thaw that came early) when MG was next to her and nearly pinned her into the stall. I made MG leave the stall and then Misty and I had a talk. :nono:
I don't know what to do sometimes. I think I'm doing a good job with this mare, but I just don't know if she is ever going to be safe for MG. I really hate to say that, but Misty is just a tough case. She is very resentful towards any type of work. She has been spoiled for the past 6 or 7 years. She has made a lot of progress, though. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing this. I just hope it's not me and that I could be doing something different. :(

[CaddoCinnamon]

I don't think it is you HE. She does sound a little difficult. Your question is one that you, MG, and Natisha need to talk about. I think she is coming along ok. Just don't give up on her yet. Cinnamon was bad when I got her. I think in time she will come around and be good. She is obviously making strides so well worth to keep going.

[Brandy101]

Lets hope that Misty isnt a snot to you anymore she needs to be a good girl or atleast not try to trample you hopefully she will change soon

[Remali]

I don't think you are over-analyzing it, it is really a challenge to re-train a horse that has developed habits like that. Sometimes they come around OK, and other times, you really do wonder if they will ever be safe for anyone but a very experienced rider. And it sounds like Misty didn't have the proper training when she was very young, so that makes it even more difficult.... I can't remember, didn't she have a rough start? Was she ever abused with the whip, do you know? Maybe that is part of the reason she is so explosive when you get after her with a whip.

ETA: That is kind of scary she came after you like that, and pinned her ears. I've only seen one horse do that (a QH mare at the last stable I boarded at), really makes you wonder what the heck is going on in their heads.

[Petra]

You are doing a good job HE. Just be patient. I'm sure you will fix her. :)

[natisha]

Was she ever abused with the whip, do you know? Maybe that is part of the reason she is so explosive when you get after her with a whip.

.She's never been abused with a whip. HE gets after her with a whip after she gets expolsive. She comes right at you, teeth bared & leaping. The whip is HE's only lifeline. Misty does the bare minimum then when she's done instead of shutting down like most horses she attacks.
I'll have some time in the next few days for some bonding sessions.;)

[Dakota Sunrise]

You're doing a great job with her, Mandy. Way to go.:)
She sounds like quite the handful, worse than Beauty ever was. The only time Beauty ever acted like she wanted to kill me was when I messed with her hooves. I remember the first few hoof training sessions when she was really bad, kicking and rearing and jumping all over the place. I actually wore a helmet for fear of getting a hoof to the head.:doh: But that's all behind us now, consistency paid off and she is a different horse. Misty is giving you a lot more to deal with but I'm confident you can train her to behave. Just be careful while you're at it.

[Tiz]

"I don't know what to do sometimes."

Remember that you just started with her 10 days ago first. And try to keep thinking of other ways to interpret her responses to you. Maybe you feel like you're going into combat when you work with her, so she meets you with the same.

[JackieB]

I think I'm doing a good job with this mare, but I just don't know if she is ever going to be safe for MG.

I'm sure you are doing just fine HE, but I've got this same concern for Misty and MG. I'm sure that MG is coming along beautifully, but Misty isn't going to forget that she once had the upper hand (hoof as DS would say) and she's also probably just the type of animal that will require her human companion to prove him/herself every day. Always kind of looking for her opportunity to get a promotion.

Something you all need to talk about together, I suppose. I went through just a little bit of this behavior with Buster and then it was over forever. He will abandon even the mildest form of aggression (ears going back) with just a stern word. Misty will never be that type of horse. At least I don't think she will be.

[shewasmyshadow]

Lets hope that Misty isnt a snot to you anymore she needs to be a good girl or atleast not try to trample you hopefully she will change soon

I'm afraid the nature of horses and their herd instincts do not make them prone to random changes of heart. Anyone who's ever observed a herd of horses knows that the horses in the herd respect the alpha horse. The alpha horse doesn't win respect by bonding with the other horses or giving them treats. It gets it by telling the other horses when/how they can do things. If they're disrespectful the horse disciplines them. In order to win Misty's love and trust her owner will need to take that place in her "mind's eye". (Did I say that right?)

[GrungeEquestrian]

I went through just a little bit of this behavior with Buster and then it was over forever. He will abandon even the mildest form of aggression (ears going back) with just a stern word. Misty will never be that type of horse. At least I don't think she will be.

I think it may be possible for Misty to get out of this behavior but it will take a lot of work and complete consistency. Trouble also went through similar behavior as Buster and Misty. She was an absolute terror when her mood clock turned the other way. She was a terror riding with other horses as well. Although she still has a nice red ribbon on her tail she hasn't threatened to kick or show any aggressive behavior since. It took a lot of work and she never gets an inch. Now even a turn of her ears when I'm in her space...no matter if its to me or another horse all it takes is a stern, "heyy" and she transforms into "happy pony". :p

I think you're right though JackieB, HE, Natisha and MG are going to need to talk about this. It's certainty a huge challenge and one I don't think MG can undergo herself.

[HeavensEast]

Well, going over the videos again, she looks considerably better than when I worked with her for the first time.
She just needs more time. She will get there. I'm going to work with her tonight, and I hope we can have a nice, short session. :)

[Tiz]

Good, I'm glad your video diary perked you back up.:)

[HeavensEast]

Well, I accidentally clicked on something else and left my last reply without submitting it. So, this one is going to be much shorter.
Misty was relatively well behaved tonight.
I tacked her up in her stall, then took her out to the indoor to work on lunging. She is slowly improving. She is much less explosive than she was in the beginning and she is really starting to focus on me when I work with her.
Her whoas are getting better, even at the canter. Her canter is also starting to look more like a smooth, balanced canter and less like a crossfiring antelope. ;)
We ended with some liberty work (leading and manuevering without contact). I'm not sure what else to call it. Is that the correct term? Anyways, she was really good with that.
I hope she will continue to improve and I can eventually lunge her without having to correct any funny business. :)

[CaddoCinnamon]

You all seem to be making progress which is good.

[Tiz]

"I think I'm doing a good job with this mare, but I just don't know if she is ever going to be safe for MG."

I think Misty will be fine, but it's going to take more than 30 days, and she will most likely always be a poor choice for Mistygirl. Kind of broke mare, who is either a bully, or very defensive, paired with a girl who's just learning to ride. It's against the odds that the match will be a happy one. It shapes up to be an all work, no play relationship. A horse like G, Jack's buddy, would have been so much more fun for a beginner.

[zoel_222]

"I think I'm doing a good job with this mare, but I just don't know if she is ever going to be safe for MG."

I think Misty will be fine, but it's going to take more than 30 days, and she will most likely always be a poor choice for Mistygirl. Kind of broke mare, who is either a bully, or very defensive, paired with a girl who's just learning to ride. It's against the odds that the match will be a happy one. It shapes up to be an all work, no play relationship. A horse like G, Jack's buddy, would have been so much more fun for a beginner.

I was thinking the same thing.

[Petra]

"I think I'm doing a good job with this mare, but I just don't know if she is ever going to be safe for MG."

I think Misty will be fine, but it's going to take more than 30 days, and she will most likely always be a poor choice for Mistygirl. Kind of broke mare, who is either a bully, or very defensive, paired with a girl who's just learning to ride. It's against the odds that the match will be a happy one. It shapes up to be an all work, no play relationship. A horse like G, Jack's buddy, would have been so much more fun for a beginner.

I couldn't agree more!

[mistygirl]

I have a lot of faith in my girl and see a lot of inprovment in the little things. I'm trying hard to learn by watching but I cant wait till I'll be able to work with her once in a while. HE is doing a very good job with her. I'm hoping by the end of the training session i'll be able to move her to where i'll be working starting tomarrow. I'll be able to work off part of the board. I'm keeping my chin up as long as I can.

[CaddoCinnamon]

There you go Misty. Everyone just wants you and your horse to be safe. You all are doing a fine job with her. It may take her time but I think you and her will be alright. Just listen and watch everything that HE and Natisha are teaching you.

[HeavensEast]

I have a lot of faith in my girl and see a lot of inprovment in the little things. I'm trying hard to learn by watching but I cant wait till I'll be able to work with her once in a while. HE is doing a very good job with her. I'm hoping by the end of the training session i'll be able to move her to where i'll be working starting tomarrow. I'll be able to work off part of the board. I'm keeping my chin up as long as I can. Opps, wrong account- this is Natisha.
Moving her there would be a HUGE mistake. Let's face the facts going by past & present history. That place is at least 1/2 hour away in good weather. When you had Misty 2 miles away you often couldn't get out to see her.
You then moved her farther on the promise that your Mom would give you rides & how often did that happen? Misty ended up doing & learning nothing & she got meaner, you said so yourself.
Then you moved her across the road from your house & she has gotten much nicer to you as she sees you every day.
You're getting free board at my place in exchange for cleaning her stall. HE cleaned your stall again yesterday. I don't know if you made arrangements with her or not but the fact remains that YOU did not do it. I don't see you getting rides to your job every day, spending hours cleaning & then working Misty. Are you planning on paying a trainer & board? What happens when you're fired for not showing up?
The place you're at now was nice enough to let you bring her here for a month though you said you're still paying board there so I'm sure they didn't care. That is the best place she's been so far & you're going to blow it.
Also the more Misty learns the easier it will be for her to outwit you & whoever you get to help you (usually your know nothing friends who only made things worse).
Misty came here a bundle of frustration & mean to boot. She's now trying to please & finally looks happy, though she still has her moments. You're falling back into your wishy washy dreaming pattern that has proven not to work. When Misty finally snaps for good that will be her end.
You should keep her where she is across from your house, work on the easy stuff we will teach you before she goes back & then in spring pick up the training intensity with HE, if she will. HE will be coming home some weekends & it would be easy to bring Misty over.
Also we plan on having you work with another horse besides Whiskey before you work with Misty. You need to learn to read horses better or Misty will take advantage of you.

Update: HE rode Misty, I was her spotter. She did really well. Worked on stopping, turning, transitions at the walk & trot. Only humped her back once but didn't follow through after HE gave her a 'quit'. It was a short session as she did everything asked of her. Stood well for tacking up. She did try to bite HE's leg a few times when flexing under saddle but soon quit that too. We were both proud of her. Nice job HE.:)

[JackieB]

Update: HE rode Misty, I was her spotter. She did really well. Worked on stopping, turning, transitions at the walk & trot. Only humped her back once but didn't follow through after HE gave her a 'quit'. It was a short session as she did everything asked of her. Stood well for tacking up. She did try to bite HE's leg a few times when flexing under saddle but soon quit that too. We were both proud of her. Nice job HE.:)

Awesome! That's exciting.

MG, please listen to everything Natisha is saying. She doesn't sugar coat things (a good quality), but she really wants to help you succeed with Misty.

[Tiz]

I don't know, Natisha. Some of the comments made by MG and her friend make me wonder if they think Misty's bad behavior is kind of funny. Maybe they tease her. That may explain why she gets more and more crabby when she isn't at your place.

[natisha]

I don't know, Natisha. Some of the comments made by MG and her friend make me wonder if they think Misty's bad behavior is kind of funny. Maybe they tease her. That may explain why she gets more and more crabby when she isn't at your place.I'm sure MG doesn't think it's funny & her friends probably don't know any better. To Misty inconsistent handling certainly could be taken as teasing.

[WashingtonBay]

I think MG still isn't taking this nearly seriously enough. And I wonder if she ever will.

At this point, I'd be talking to the parents. Warning them that their daughter does not appear near ready to own a horse like this. That it will end badly, for both horse and daughter if it continues. And that HE will continue to work with the horse to get her marketable, while she's listed for sale, in exchange for half what she sells for. While they begin to pay for board. (And all that is only if you still feel interested in helping the horse at this point.)

MG can perhaps take some riding lessons and continue dreaming about horses, but she's not ready for the responsibility of owning one, particularly one who is this green and dangerous.



That is, of course, unless she really turns this around quick and starts putting in not just the minimum effort... extra effort.


At least, that's what I'm thinking from what I've read here.

[natisha]

I had that talk with them first minute I met them, I was labeled 'mean'.
At that time Misty could have maybe made a nice 'kick & go' trail horse but now that she's learned she doesn't have to do anything she needs strict structure. She is coming along well now.

I have to confess the other day I gave her a treat by hand & she immediately became pushy. HE yelled at me. I won't do that again. That did show that Misty will revert right back to her nasty ways if allowed.

[mistygirl]

It so hard to please you all. I feel like nothing is never right for any of you.

[CaddoCinnamon]

You will get there MG. Just listen and pay attention to everything around you. Hey don't feel bad you are doing great just keep it up.

[HeavensEast]

It so hard to please you all. I feel like nothing is never right for any of you.Please don't be discouraged. I only want what is best for you and your horse. That is why I decided to help you. I know you want to be active in Misty's training right now, but I feel it would be better to start with a horse that has this stuff engrained and will be a little more forgiving to mistakes.
I'm not sure why you are saying I'm so hard to please. I think I am a very patient and forgiving person.

[magayle]

It so hard to please you all. I feel like nothing is never right for any of you.

you'll never please everyone - ever....yet if you make a public commitment i think you should stay committed....put your heart in this misty and prove your trying to do the best for your horse.....either you're either in or you're out

[HeavensEast]

YouTube - Misty's first ride
Enjoy :)

[Petra]

Great job HE! You are doing so well with that horse!

It so hard to please you all. I feel like nothing is never right for any of you.

MG, watch the video again that was posted.

I don't quite understand the comment you made. It seems more like it is hard to please you.
Look what they done with your horse!
If someone helped me so much with my horse, I'd be overjoyed and grateful. I sure wouldn't say things like that. ^

You have a great opportunity to learn things the right way.
I am not sure you understand how much can you actually get hurt by a dangerous horse.
What will you do if Misty gets to the point where she will become permanently dangerous? Are you going to have her put down?
What if she hurts you?
If you don't learn how to work with horses you will get hurt. Trust me broken bones hurt like crazy and there is always a chance you could end up disabled for life.

The only choice you have is suck it up and try your best, or stay away from horses.
You may think that natisha and HE are too strict. But in fact they are nicer than most people you will ever meet. People that always smile at you and agree with you do not do you any favors.
If they see you doing something wrong and don't call you out on it, they do not care about you. The people that give you the hard time are the most caring ones.

In my life I met a lot of people that were really nice to my face and talked bad about my back. I had friends that were fun to be around, but made bad choices, because they failed to care about consequences of their decisions. They would pick the easy fun way to do the things at the moment. But those decisions affected their whole life. (Not in a good way.)
Make your decisions carefully. The hard work always pays off. There are no easy short cuts in life.
I learned to appreciate people that say what they think. Those are the ones you can always trust and rely on. Even if they give you a hard time.
Every comment on this thread is actually meant to help you make the right choice.
Believe it or not all these people care about you. If they didn’t they wouldn’t bother writing anything at all.

[lisakaye]

MG.. I just want you to know that I have had a few rescues from auction this year. As such I have learned a VERY valuable lesson. Never trust a horse completely and trust those who have more experience and know better. HE and Natisha are not trying to hurt you or degrade you in any way. Rather they are trying to save your life. I know it is hard to listen to them when you are emotionally attached to Misty. I have had difficult horses that I cannot ride and it is no fun asking someone else if they can get on first to calm her down and control the horse so that I can get on. I hate it. I rode Easter for the first time in 2 months on Friday and absolutley enjoyed myself. I had soo much fun. I had forgotten what is like to get on and ride for fun instead of constantly being on guard and tense. I am also still learning. I have a gelding now that was given to me that isn't even saddle broke. He is 4. I would give anything to have HE and Natisha clsoe enough and willing to help me. Just to have someone that I could trust and afford. you really have no idea just how lucky you are. Please don't risk getting hurt and ruining the rest of your life. If you are told that Misty may not be the one for you then trust what they say. Get a horse that is a little more experienced that you can enjoy and learn with. You won't regret it. I always get attached to them while I have them. I know how hard it is to let go and trust another person but you will get over it and you will be better for doing it. You are still young and have soo much to learn and soo much to live. Horses come and go.. but they can still be in your heart and you can still love them. Sometimes the best thing for them is let someone else take over. Horses know by instinct and by our behaviors what they can get away with and who they can trust. It is a very hard decision to make. Sometimes the best decision is the hardest.

[Tiz]

That's a much improved expression Miss M has there, HE. It's happier, and at the same time, it looks like she's listening for what you may ask her next. Good deal.:)

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Wow I just read through this whole thing and I think you guys are doing fantastic with Misty! Way to go HE and Natisha. That last vid makes her look like a completly different horse. And I couldnt agree more with the above posters, she looks a lot happier too :)

Keep it up both of you! I look forward to more updats and progress, I will continue to follow this thread :)

On a different note, MG I would take all of the advice everyone has offered and use it. I am 18 and wish I had more guidence on certain things with my horses, and I really appriciate everything I am given when I do get advice. So take what is offered and take it seriously.

[zoel_222]

Misty looks great! She looked so focused! Way to go HE!

[mare]

It so hard to please you all. I feel like nothing is never right for any of you.

You are understandably frustrated. It sounds like you have a mare with a pretty tough personality.

Truly, what do you want to do with a horse? If it is have a friendly relationship and relaxation, this mare may not be "the one." Not anyone's fault, just how it happened.

If you're looking for a challenge that you can continuously work on, she might be a good deal.

[Dakota Sunrise]

Great job, Mandy! Misty looked really good!

[Tiz]

Well put, mare.

[HeavensEast]

Thanks everyone. She will be getting her second ride in tonight sometime. :) I'll let you know how that goes.

[mistygirl]

Yes I am fusterated with some things and I posted that comment before I watched the movie my fustration has nothing to do with misty. I just feel like I'm stupid sometimes. Sadly I'm very affensive to what people say to me. I'm very happy in misty and believe I can work with her when the time comes. I've done so much with that horse already some was bad some was good. Like every one said in the beguining she has wholes in her training. I worked a lot on her feet when I first got her. she would rear up when you do her feet. she didn't stand the best when HE first met her but you could pick up her feet. she leaned on you but you could do her feet. Then when HE came out to work with her. she was doing good with leading and all that stuff. The first time HE worked with her she could barly even lunge she didn't really know what it ment. HE said now when we started lunging her she Has inproved very much with lunging. She's not as much in your space when lunging. She stops once in a while and now doing better with that. when we first started lunging her she would never stop. She's had her wholes but we have fixed those holes and keep working on them so she remembers them even more. I'm very proud of how she is progressing and that HE is helping me i'm just not a good human person. I don't comunicate very much. when I do its mainly a hows it going and so on its nothing majorly informational. I'm not the best at learning but horses is the one thing that I have understood very much and am learning the best I can. Horses are my passion. Its the one thing I have stuck to ever since I started with horses.

I'm sorry if I'm hard to understand not many people understand me.


Thankyou for all the advise.

[Remali]

You're doing a good job, it's hard to type out what you're feeling on a computer and then onto a forum, sometimes when I try to convey things it gets lost in the translation too.....it's easy to do with typed out words sometimes. I get where you're coming from MG. :) Hang in there, things will work out.

[mare]

I think your a nice human. You've worked with what you have and haven't given up.

I can't wait to see a photo of you riding and smiling.

Some things come easy and some don't.

[mistygirl]

Thanks :)

[WashingtonBay]

MG, I think you might have been referring to what I said... and for me it's not about what you know, it's about whether you're committed and putting in the extra effort it's really going to take.

And as long as Natisha is reporting that you're not even there to clean your stall like you promised, I don't think that's a good sign. Make this 30 days count. Don't make them wonder why they're putting in more effort on your horse than you are. Be there when you should be. That's all :)

I'm glad you're making progress, and I'm glad the horse is making progress. Good luck to you both!

[Tiz]

"i'm just not a good human person."

Now, cut that out, Mistygirl. No matter what, talking to yourself like that isn't good for you.

If you think you can, you will. If you think you can't, you won't. It's that simple.:)

[mistygirl]

the first day was yes my falt the second day the car broke down. I told amanda that. I guess natisha never heard about that till this morning

[Tiz]

What was wrong with the car?

[mistygirl]

something to do with the tierod for the tires or something now its fixed. I decided to stop CHC and focus on school and misty now Its I've had to much on my plate. It will still be a little crazy for a little but then i'll get the hang of it. I work three times a week. monday wendnesday and friday. so i'll be at the barn and be there hopefully after work too.

[mistygirl]

I'm only stoping CHC during the school year its to much to do with school work and my horse. I'm going to continue it though in the summer.

[Remali]

Good thing you got your car fixed..... if a tie rod goes, that can be really bad.

[mistygirl]

Yeah it wasn't good but it was an easy fix

[Tiz]

Hey, who is slacking on getting your riding lesson videos posted, MG? I want to see how you're doing since the big buck!

[HeavensEast]

This is the video from 12/29:
YouTube - Misty's training session - 12/29
I struggled a bit here, but after the video I did end up trying canter stops again and she was good. I quit after that. Her owner also was able to successfully lunge her at a walk and trot. I was very proud of Misty and her owner for making that much progress.
Also, around the 4:29 mark or so, she had been continuously not stopping and ignoring me. That is why I got after her like that. I did not touch her with the whip, just smack the ground trying to yield her hindquarters and stop her.
I will get the video uploaded for January 1st today or tomorrow. She improved a lot even from this video on 12/29 to the January 1st video, IMO.
Opinions are welcome this time. I already know I needed to reward her more for stopping, instead of just sending her off again. I did that the next session and her stops and explosiveness were much improved. :)

[natisha]

Was the camera sitting on Lambo's or Sheepins' back?

[Tiz]

HE, are you trying to teach her to respond to voice commands only?

[HeavensEast]

Was the camera sitting on Lambo's or Sheepins' back?Good guess. ;) I used the white mounting block.

[HeavensEast]

HE, are you trying to teach her respond to voice commands only?I like to use voice commands, but I also try to cluck for the trot and kiss for the canter. I don't always use those cues though if she responds to the words first. I'm bad. :o

[natisha]

I like to use voice commands, but I also try to cluck for the trot and kiss for the canter. I don't always use those cues though if she responds to the words first. I'm bad. :oAlso note how HE will get in front or behind the drive line to stop or slow her. Of course that won't help when riding but Misty knowing the words sure will.

[Tiz]

Yes, you are, HE. Shame!

The reason I ask is because, based on the video, which I know isn't like being there in person, your body language is very restrained. Maybe that's intentional, but it looks like you aren't telling her anything conclusive with it, and it can be useful.

A second thought, always prepare to deliver consequences before you cue for something. For instance, don't ask her to whoa with your rope draped. Have your slack taken up.

And another way of impressing her to whoa, without the whip, is to have your slack minimal, and as she ignores you, wait a second for her feet to be off the ground, then haul her around to face you. Her feet have to be off the ground, in that part of her gait, or you, the puny human can't do this. It's very impressive to horses though, so think about giving it a try if she continues to ignore you.

Don't repeat yourself, unless you really think she may not have heard you.

OK, now, you said that opinions were alright, so hope I didn't make you regret saying that just now!

[HeavensEast]

Yes, you are, HE. Shame!

The reason I ask is because, based on the video, which I know isn't like being there in person, your body language is very restrained. Maybe that's intentional, but it looks like you aren't telling her anything conclusive with it, and it can be useful.

A second thought, always prepare to deliver consequences before you cue for something. For instance, don't ask her to whoa with your rope draped. Have your slack taken up.

And another way of impressing her to whoa, without the whip, is to have your slack minimal, and as she ignores you, wait a second for her feet to be off the ground, then haul her around to face you. Her feet have to be off the ground, in that part of her gait, or you, the puny human can't do this. It's very impressive to horses though, so think about giving it a try if she continues to ignore you.

Don't repeat yourself, unless you really think she may not have heard you.

OK, now, you said that opinions were alright, so hope I didn't make you regret saying that just now!
Well, I do step in front of her drive line to stop her or towards her hindquarters to yield them.
I have done what you suggested a couple times. She was like, "Whoa.. ok!" It is definitely useful.
Do you have any suggestions for what I should do if she doesn't respond the first time besides what I'm already doing? I usually step in front of the drive line and give the rope a yank, if she doesn't walk when I ask her to, for instance.
I don't regret it at all! Thanks Tiz.

[natisha]

No worries Tiz. HE wouldn't have asked if she was concerned about being regretful.
I will say that that rope is darn heavy & there is either no tension or tension, especially with a rope halter with nose knots.
Misty is very reactive at this point so it's a fine line between too much signal & not enough. She's a tough one.

[WashingtonBay]

Opinions are welcome this time. I already know I needed to reward her more for stopping, instead of just sending her off again. I did that the next session and her stops and explosiveness were much improved. :)

My two cents:... I admit I haven't had time to watch all of them, but this one I did! :)

Some kindly suggestions:

When you are asking for WOAH, you are also lunging at her rather abruptly with your whole body at the same time. Quick movements by you does not equal WOAH to her. It's a bit of a mixed message. Your movements should be slow. I know you're trying to give a strong line correction at the same time so she'll listen, but I would try to not move your body so much, and don't crouch down. Crouching down is a predatory sort of movement CA actually does to speed them up, the couple times I've watched him. It looks like you're going to pounce at her. Step in front of the drive line like you're doing and say WOAH low, soothing but strongly and give her time to do it before the correction. Just a moment or two. And start more subtle. If you need to throw your whole body into it to give a useful correction, try a chain under the chin instead so you can correct with just a wrist movement. When you want her to MOVE, move your body... Make big arm movements. When you want her to stop... Stop yours :)

When you are asking for WALK - especially when you're loud and abrupt about it because she's not doing it, WALK doesn't sound any different to her than TROT - it's the same vowel sound. It's confusing, particularly when you're lunging at her also to correct it. When I ask for walk I do it in a low tone of voice and I drag it down a note as I say it, WA-ALK, sort of like a fog horn... It's a calm quiet cue. When I ask for TROT, I ask it high and very crisply: "Tee-Rot!"


Those are just my fine tuning tips :)

[natisha]

^ All good points

[Tiz]

You mean walk, not trot or walk, not stand there?

What I do is a direction change, and re-cue for a walk. If it still looks like a trot, repeat, and repeat until the cue is heeded. Then completely relax yourself, and leave her alone. If it's a horse I know knows better, I sometimes just flip the snap so it whacks them in the jaw(gasp!) as long as they insist on trotting, then stop when they stop.

The other...cue, no walk, whip comes out to whatever degree is necessary.

[Tiz]

Hey, who is slacking on getting your riding lesson videos posted, MG? I want to see how you're doing since the big buck!

?????

[WashingtonBay]

You mean walk, not trot or walk, not stand there?

What I do is a direction change, and re-cue for a walk. If it still looks like a trot, repeat, and repeat until the cue is heeded. Then completely relax yourself, and leave her alone. If it's a horse I know knows better, I sometimes just flip the snap so it whacks them in the jaw(gasp!) as long as they insist on trotting, then stop when they stop.

The other...cue, no walk, whip comes out to whatever degree is necessary.

Is this question for me or HE? Because I don't understand it :D

[Remali]

I can see what WB was talking about too.... I think that Misty may be getting mixed signals, crouching down when you ask for a whoa and the quick movements may be confusing Misty a bit. Same with the verbal cues, "walk" and "trot". She seems like a very responsive and quick study, so I think she is just more sensitive to things like that.

[Tiz]

Do you have any suggestions for what I should do if she doesn't respond the first time besides what I'm already doing? I usually step in front of the drive line and give the rope a yank, if she doesn't walk when I ask her to, for instance.


I tend to assume I'm understandable because I know what words are missing. Sorry! This is what that response was inspired by, WB.

[Remali]

I think that maybe Misty is just a bit confused.... she really did try hard for you and worked off your commands really well. I'm not sure about asking for the whoa and then using the whip so strongly at the same time tho....to me that sends a mixed message to Misty. Not sure if that makes sense to you..... but to me if I go after a horse with the whip I want them to move out.

[Tiz]

Will somebody quote my video query for MG if the page flips, and I'm not around? I don't want her to miss it, and it keeps getting buried.

[WashingtonBay]

I don't use the whip to enforce a WOAH either... I won't argue that it worked for HE in the end, the way she did it, but I do think is a bit of a mixed message. I do increasingly strong line corrections, not whip, for woah.

[gabhainn]

I will say that that rope is darn heavy & there is either no tension or tension, especially with a rope halter with nose knots.
get a different rope.......Kevin

[natisha]

Misty is not getting mixed signals. When she stops when asked, with voice, rope &/or body position all is good & she gets left alone. When she won't stop she will get jerked around & yes that whip will come down on her ass or really the ground. Think of it as disengaging her hindquarters.;) So yes, a whip (or a stick)can be used to teach stop. We use the whip for our safety.
Remember Misty used to bolt off & MG would have to try to catch her again or she would attack the handler.

She is not a sensitive, trying to please type horse. If we keep repeating a command she will think we are asking her to do something. For now we are not asking-we are telling. Misty had no fear or respect for people-none. She had learned that she was stronger & quicker. She had to learn to fear consequences of her actions or we would have gotten no where with her.

I know right now it seems weird but you'll see. The nicer Misty gets the nicer we'll get. I hope this makes sense.

[natisha]

get a different rope.......KevinI like 'em heavy.

[Tiz]

If we keep repeating a command she will think we are asking her to do something. For now we are not asking-we are telling.

I never repeat commands, unless I really believe I wasn't heard, no matter the type of horse. It just makes them unresponsive and sloppy to give them a number of chances to ignore you.

Natisha, are you the one to nag about MG's lesson vids? Get HE, the computer wizard, to put them on.

[Brandy101]

Is it true the MG has to get rid of my niece Misty i just hope the rest of her training goes well

[Tiz]

You're Misty's aunt? The horse, Misty? How do you type with hooves instead of fingers? Really huge keyboard?

[HeavensEast]

Is it true the MG has to get rid of my niece Misty i just hope the rest of her training goes wellWho said she has to get rid of Misty?

[HeavensEast]

I never repeat commands, unless I really believe I wasn't heard, no matter the type of horse. It just makes them unresponsive and sloppy to give them a number of chances to ignore you.

Natisha, are you the one to nag about MG's lesson vids? Get HE, the computer wizard, to put them on.:cool:

[HeavensEast]

More videos:
YouTube - Misty's training session - Part 1 (12/31)
YouTube - Misty's training session - Part 2 (12/31)
YouTube - Misty's training session - 1/1

FYI, lunging isn't the only thing I do with her. I just don't tape the other stuff because it's even more boring than lunging. :p

[HeavensEast]

Misty's second ride:
YouTube - Misty's training session - 1/4

[HeavensEast]

Update for 1/5:
Misty was very good under saddle. She finally realized that stopping when asked equals rest and reward. She did do one little hop (it was even less than the past two days) when I asked her to keep trotting around the ring. She anticipated a stop at the end of the arena and got a little pissy (the little hop) when I asked her to keep going. We trotted around almost the whole arena both ways and she had a very nice stop from the trot so we were done. She is also learning to back up under saddle now. She is doing very well with that, too.
I do have some video, but I think it is just of us walking along. The cold really drains the batteries. :(

[natisha]

Yesterday I tried explaining to MG why taking Misty to a new barn with people she doesn't know & letting whoever work with her (for free) could be a huge set back. I think keeping her at a close affordable barn where MG is her primary handler would be best for Misty's progress as this has been shown to be the case. Misty is finally getting a solid foundation of trust & respect.
Well, it went over like a lead balloon. MG snuck out of the barn, called for a ride home & left. She missed out on a lesson & seeing her horse worked. HE had planned on having MG start working with Misty & another horse (KC).

MG, you are free to do what you want with your own horse. You somehow don't see her progress or maybe you think she is like a broken car that once it's fixed the problems are all gone. She has learned more in the 2 weeks she has been here than she has anywhere else. It won't hurt her one bit for you to spend a few months working on what she knows before starting up her riding training again with HE. You don't need an indoor arena to do that.
There is no instant gratification when working with a horse, especially one that had become dangerous. The training has to be consistant & strict.
So you do what you want but once Misty has learned that she can get away with bad stuff again & has added bucking, bolting & rearing under saddle to her bag of tricks (& she will) I will not allow HE to risk herself trying, once again, to fix it.

[WashingtonBay]

There is no instant gratification when working with a horseOh well there's the problem right there...