New Oregon Bill?

[dustys_girlly]

so for all our Oregon people, what do you think of the new bill they are trying to pass for horse owners?

[mare]

For anyone who isn't aware of what's in it:

http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/sb0200.dir/sb0262.intro.html

[Tatesgram]

I was just reading this. I'm not sure more government involvement is ever the solution to any problem. I can see the restrictions on transporting, but six hours rest for every eight hours of travel? Is this really necessary?

I'd like to see what others think.

[WashingtonBay]

The transporting requirements seem to me to be the least of the problems with it.


Establishes an equine ownership certificate issued by the Dept of Ag that will cost no more than $100?

Bills of sale must be notarized? Fees to file transfers, fees to have new certificates issued.

Data collected on location of horse, must notify dept of ag if any horse dies or is sold. Probably more filing fees.

Must apply and register as a "horse trader" with a lot of requirements and recordkeeping.

Must apply and register as a 'rescue' with a lot of requirements and recordkeeping.


And that's just reading half of it.


It's terrible... lots of requirements and fees and bureaucracy imposed on horse owners, lots of heavy fines imposed on those who don't follow it.

[Duchess47]

SECTION 6. { + (1) Except as provided in any rules adopted
under section 11 of this 2011 Act, a person selling an equine in
this state shall complete, date and sign an equine transfer form.
The State Department of Agriculture shall specify the information
required to be included on the transfer form. Except as provided
in sections 7 and 15 of this 2011 Act or in rules adopted under
section 11 of this 2011 Act, the seller shall give the transfer
form, the equine ownership certificate for the equine and a
notarized bill of sale to the buyer.

3) Except as provided in any rules adopted under section 11 of
this 2011 Act, an equine trader who purchases an equine in this
state shall obtain from the seller a notarized bill of sale, an
equine ownership certificate for the equine and a copy of an
equine transfer form with the seller information completed. The
equine trader shall provide the seller with a receipt for the
equine and documents. An equine trader is not required to file
the transfer form with the department before reselling the
equine. If the equine is purchased from a seller outside this
state, instead of submitting an equine ownership certificate for
the equine the equine seller may submit an equivalent document
issued by another state.
(4) If the equine trader resells the equine, the equine trader
shall enter the name and permit number of the equine trader and
the date of sale on the transfer form. The equine trader shall
provide the buyer with a notarized bill of sale and an equine
ownership certificate or the equivalent from another state for
the equine. Unless the equine trader knows that the equine is
being sold to be transported out of state, the equine trader
shall also provide the buyer with the transfer form for the
equine. Unless the equine is transported to a place outside of
this state for keeping, a person buying an equine from an equine
trader shall file the transfer form and the equine ownership
certificate or equivalent with the department no later than 30
days after the date of sale entered on the transfer form by the
equine trader. If the equine trader knows that the equine is
being sold to be transported out of state, the equine trader
shall retain the transfer form and deliver the form to the
department as provided under section 8 of this 2011 Act. + }



Is the state going to provide notories that will come to your facility whenever you sell a horse? How on earth will this work - trailer a horse and buyer to the nearest bank (or where ever there is a notory) or will notories sign paperwork based on your sayso without seeing the horse? Sounds like a mess to me.

[miatapony]

All im reading in it was FEES FEES FEES.. wow .. so dont live there with horses and dont visit more than 30 days....

[Buckpoco]

Hey, government exists to make money for itself!

[zoel_222]

I wonder what brought this on? It seems like it would be impossible to enforce the transport laws. Is there going to be some state official that sits shotgun with me during my horse hauling trips ensuring I do everything required?

I kind of like the idea of registering horses with the state. So long as the records are open to the public. That way you can keep track of horses you've sold and can find out where your horse came from. A lot of us have been in the situation where we sell a horse and regret it and sit awake wondering if he's dead or alive. I don't think it's very realistic though, especially having to have everything notarized with fee on top of fee. I didn't read the whole thing, only about half way down the page.

It would probably hurt the horse market in Oregon. Out of state people would probably avoid buying horses from Oregon if they knew they would have to go through a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo. I live here and it certainly turns me off to buying new horses. Having to pay $100 on top of what you're already paying to get a horse? That's a lot of money (at least to me). That's like a month of hay.

I don't know what else is in that bill, I don't really feel like reading all that fine print right now, but from what I read, I don't like it.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

The only thing I saw that I liked was requiring new owners to transfer the registration. At least twice a week on APHA's Facebook page I see someone asking if they can help them trace down someone so they can transfer the registration. Other than that, looks like too much government interference, just to get money.

[Remali]

I wonder how they expect to enforce this.....

[mare]

I wonder how they expect to enforce this.....

By collecting lots of fees and creating a new, bigger bureaucracy?

On the transpost thing, I wonder if horse trailers will have to keep log books like truckers. Another potential for fines there, if the log book isn't kept up correctly.

[WashingtonBay]

Yeah - but the problem with the transport clause is, unless you're driving around in circles, you can't drive 8 hours and remain in Oregon.

They have a major jurisdiction problem enforcing this against people coming and going from places where there is no required logging of time.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Yeah - but the problem with the transport clause is, unless you're driving around in circles, you can't drive 8 hours and remain in Oregon.

They have a major jurisdiction problem enforcing this against people coming and going from places where there is no required logging of time.

Heh... that's a great point. They're really overreaching here. They've found something that doesn't need doing and have layered a bunch of unreasonable fees and fines on a bunch of regulations that can't practically be enforced. Figures.

Sometimes it's better to just have one tyrant 2,000 miles away than 2,000 tyrants one mile away.

[mare]

Woo Hoo! Winnemucca is going to rise again!

[zoel_222]

I heard that this bill got tossed out today. Big shocker there.

[mare]

I heard that this bill got tossed out today. Big shocker there.

Can't find any news that says it was thrown out.

Have found information stating that in Oregon "horse traders" already have to be licensed and bonded.

Have also seen some discussion saying how the 8 and 6 hour rule will be hard on rodeo competitors, and they point to a Texas A & M study that shows horses can travel for up to 24 hours before experiencing fatigue as long as they are kept hydrated.

I'm trying to find out what group is behind this bill? Trying to follow the money.

[zoel_222]

Can't find any news that says it was thrown out.

Have found information stating that in Oregon "horse traders" already have to be licensed and bonded.

Have also seen some discussion saying how the 8 and 6 hour rule will be hard on rodeo competitors, and they point to a Texas A & M study that shows horses can travel for up to 24 hours before experiencing fatigue as long as they are kept hydrated.

I'm trying to find out what group is behind this bill? Trying to follow the money.

Don't know if the information is reliable or not, but the leader of a FB group I'm on for Willamette Valley Horse Owners said "Heard with confirmation that SB 262 is DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

then later she said "check with Senator Dingfelder and Olson's offices for confirmation."

[Tiz]

http://www.facebook.com/update_security_info.php?wizard=1#!/pages/Oregon-Equine-Registration-Bill-Sb262-Stop-It-Now/177349228967267 (http://www.facebook.com/update_security_info.php?wizard=1#%21/pages/Oregon-Equine-Registration-Bill-Sb262-Stop-It-Now/177349228967267)

[pocomoonskyeyes]

http://www.ktvz.com/news/26615318/detail.html

The Oregon Legislature hasn't really gotten down to business yet, but already, Senate Bill 262 has the horse world bucking with controversy.
The proposal would require any owner of a horse located in the state for more than 30 days apply for an equine ownership certificate, with the initial cost of $25.
This was posted on APHA's FaceBook page.....