View Full Version : Yet another idiot politician....
Remali
03-06-2011, 03:51 PM
What a jerk....
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/03/04/mike-huckabee-criticizes-natalie-portman-and-then-backtracks
Reinmaker
03-06-2011, 04:42 PM
Actually Mike is not a jerk and what he said is true and on point. The interviewer was much more scathing in his remarks directed at Portman. Mike used the example given as a general illustration but did not directly criticize Portman. He criticized the culture of Hollywood promoting such things. I have no problem with what he said, but he is a religious conservative so I can see why you would jump on this one.
Once again liberals are only "free thinking, accepting and loving of everyone" when one says things they AGREE with. :rolleyes:
natisha
03-06-2011, 04:42 PM
What a jerk....
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/03/04/mike-huckabee-criticizes-natalie-portman-and-then-backtracksThey're both jerks for those statements, however while they have a right to their beliefs some things should be left alone, especially if it is someone else's business. It is true though that comparatively a single Mom has more difficulty than a married one. Personally I don't think anyone should marry but I guess someone has to have children, why not Natalie or whoever?
He has as much right to express his opinion as she to hers. If people don't like him, they don't have to vote for him. If people disagree with her lifestyle, they can avoid supporting her by avoiding whatever entertainment thing she does.
There are people I avoid for either and both reasons.
Remali
03-06-2011, 05:25 PM
Actually Mike is not a jerk and what he said is true and on point. The interviewer was much more scathing in his remarks directed at Portman. Mike used the example given as a general illustration but did not directly criticize Portman. He criticized the culture of Hollywood promoting such things. I have no problem with what he said, but he is a religious conservative so I can see why you would jump on this one.
Once again liberals are only "free thinking, accepting and loving of everyone" when one says things they AGREE with. :rolleyes:
What is especially hilarious is, why didn't this moron think Bristol Palin's pregnancy out of wedlock was so bad then?? Oh wait, it's OK for conservatives to do that then??
What is especially hilarious is, why didn't this moron think Bristol Palin's pregnancy out of wedlock was so bad then?? Oh wait, it's OK for conservatives to do that then??
I will venture a guess that Huckabee does not approve of the Palin kid getting pregnant outside of marriage, but that didn't cause as much controversy as criticizing some entertainment chica. Or he wasn't asked while in front of a camera.
Really? Do you care what Huckabee thinks?
Reinmaker
03-06-2011, 05:41 PM
He wasn't asked about that. Can you please point out where Mike criticizes Portman? He did not. He addressed the glamorization of out of wedlock pregnancy. He pointed to the facts and reality of what most single moms are dealing with. I am quite sure he did not condone Bristol Palin getting pregnant out of wedlock. I am also sure that being a former pastor he is well aware of the fact that people make mistakes. He didn't attack Portman, nor should he attack Bristol. He answered a direct question that was asked of him.
What exactly did he say that was so egregious, please quote exact words.
Remali
03-06-2011, 05:48 PM
Mare, no, I really don't care what he thinks, but to say something like that just shows what the guy is really all about and what he's made of (or what he isn't made of), and I would imagine rather hurtful toward the person he directed it at.
Reinmaker, it has been all over the News (was just on the ABC News tonight).... I'm sure you can catch it again. Or, you can Google another site if you wish.
JackieB
03-06-2011, 06:46 PM
Can you please point out where Mike criticizes Portman?
You'd have to play with semantics a bit to come away from listening to the audio thinking that Huckabee wasn't criticizing Portman.
Huckabee didn't say anything egregious, he just kind of put his foot in his mouth for the second time in a week now. He's not a person who I'd want to be able to make a serious run for the White House, so I'm glad we are learning these things about him now.
He's a "jerk", an "idiot", and it's "all over the news", but if you want to know what he really said, that's up to someone else to find out?
Liberals are so easily led.
Remali
03-06-2011, 07:03 PM
Tiz..... go up there and just click on the link that I already provided..... hint: it is very easy, you can do it! ;)
Conservatives are so easily confused. ??
Reinmaker
03-06-2011, 07:05 PM
You'd have to play with semantics a bit to come away from listening to the audio thinking that Huckabee wasn't criticizing Portman.
Huckabee didn't say anything egregious, he just kind of put his foot in his mouth for the second time in a week now. He's not a person who I'd want to be able to make a serious run for the White House, so I'm glad we are learning these things about him now.
JB, All I am going on is the article that was posted. I haven't heard the audio, and if I did perhaps I would agree with you.
Remali, still waiting for quotes of his actual words that you find so egregious. Without that I don't really know what you find so offensive. Perhaps we would be in agreement. Perhaps not, but from the article you posted it seems the left is reaching again.
Can't you find the idiot, jerk, moron Huckabee quotes for Reinmaker, Remali? You should have that together before you open a thread, don't you think?
Remali
03-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Tiz..... really, what IS your problem, I mean, what IS the real issue here with you? It does seem to be a recurring theme with you on my threads, does it not?
I guess if you guys do not like the link I already gave.... then it is your choice to locate another.
JackieB
03-06-2011, 09:50 PM
JB, All I am going on is the article that was posted. I haven't heard the audio, and if I did perhaps I would agree with you.
Well how can you know that he didn't criticize Portman (your quote below) if you never heard what he said in the first place? I figured you must have heard his comments, or at least read the transcript of them, if you were sure that he didn't criticize Natalie Portman.
"Can you please point out where Mike criticizes Portman? He did not."
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with me. That's why I said that a person would have to stretch the semantics a bit (in my opinion) to come away thinking that Huckabee wasn't criticizing Natalie Portman. It's pretty clear.
But I agree that it wasn't egregious. Just not a very good, or wise, example.
Tiz..... really, what IS your problem, I mean, what IS the real issue here with you? It does seem to be a recurring theme with you on my threads, does it not?
I guess if you guys do not like the link I already gave.... then it is your choice to locate another.
You were asked what you found so offensive in Mike Huckabee's comments. Providing a link to a story on the subject doesn't answer that question. It doesn't even prove you read the story actually.
Perhaps the "real" issue isn't mine, Remali.
Reinmaker
03-07-2011, 05:09 AM
Well how can you know that he didn't criticize Portman (your quote below) if you never heard what he said in the first place? I figured you must have heard his comments, or at least read the transcript of them, if you were sure that he didn't criticize Natalie Portman.
"Can you please point out where Mike criticizes Portman? He did not."
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with me. That's why I said that a person would have to stretch the semantics a bit (in my opinion) to come away thinking that Huckabee wasn't criticizing Natalie Portman. It's pretty clear.
But I agree that it wasn't egregious. Just not a very good, or wise, example.
He didn't criticize her in the link that was provided. Sorry but I don't run out and research a topic and check every source before commenting on a story posted here. I went on the information given. I would think that the quotes provided would have been the most salacious.
I was also responding directly to Remali, who called him an idiot and a jerk and pointed out that he wasn't critical of Palin. I simply want to know what SHE thinks is so egregious that he said. I would just like a simple copy/past of his words from her that are so bad. That is all. She keeps referecing the link she provided. I read it the whole article. Nothing he said there was so horrifying that it sould offend the delicate sensibilities of our accepting and loving leftists.
JackieB
03-07-2011, 09:37 AM
He didn't criticize her in the link that was provided.
Oh, I see. Well, here's the audio from the interview. YouTube - Mike Huckabee bashes Natalie Portman
I guess I would say that Mike Huckabee just picked a poor example to tag onto in his criticism of having children out of wedlock. Probably nearly all of the young people who he's concerned about Hollywood sending a message "glorifying and glamorizing having children out of wedlock" don't even know whether those stars have kids or are married.
But Huckabee is encouraging individual responsibility, so that's worth something.
Reinmaker
03-07-2011, 04:44 PM
I listened Jackie. The article gave the biggest chunk of his comments. The only thing not covered was when he went into the statistics of children born out of wedlock.
So I guess my question is how exactly did he criticize Portman? On top of that, he didn't bring it up, he answered a direct question about her and even then said, "the problem is people see a Natalie Portman", and then never mentioned her again. He did a pretty good job of just talking about the issue as a whole rather than denegrating her as an individual. I am failing to see the reason for outrage here.
Of course he does represent the perfecta of the leftist media's favorite target, white, male, conservative, religious.
Reinmaker
03-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Still waiting on those quotes from Remali. :rolleyes:
WashingtonBay
03-07-2011, 05:43 PM
Alright.... I didn't want to, because I wasn't really interested, but it was generating so much 'buzz' here I finally listened to this interview - the clip up above.
THAT's IT? :huh: That's all he said? 'remember, not every single mom lives like Natalie Portman'?
I fail to see what's so outrageous about that. He is a conservative preacher, what do you expect him to say? "Kumbaya? I think all kids should do it?"
I'm as hip as anyone on people having out of wedlock kids, as long as they can support them, I've certainly got a lot of friends who have done that and managed just fine. And their kids are fine. I'll also say almost 100% of my welfare clients have done it too, and it's not quite so rosy for them.
I am not seeing "idiot" on this either. :)
natisha
03-07-2011, 06:01 PM
Alright.... I didn't want to, because I wasn't really interested, but it was generating so much 'buzz' here I finally listened to this interview - the clip up above.
THAT's IT? :huh: That's all he said? 'remember, not every single mom lives like Natalie Portman'?
I fail to see what's so outrageous about that. He is a conservative preacher, what do you expect him to say? "Kumbaya? I think all kids should do it?"
I'm as hip as anyone on people having out of wedlock kids, as long as they can support them, I've certainly got a lot of friends who have done that and managed just fine. And their kids are fine. I'll also say almost 100% of my welfare clients have done it too, and it's not quite so rosy for them.
I am not seeing "idiot" on this either. :)I agree the whole video takes on a new slant when compared to the written article. If he had said, "I don"t want to answer that," they would say he runs from issues.
Ragnar Danneskjold
03-07-2011, 06:34 PM
Not to defend Huckabee necessarily... as I'm not a huge fan, only a mild fan... but he certainly didn't say anything even mildly outrageous here.
Is out-of-wedlock childbirth a good thing? Is anyone seriously going to argue that it is the ~preferred~ way to raise children? That is it ~better~ than having kids raised up in a loving home with two committed parents? Anyone? Of course not.
Unmarried childbirth now stands at 70% in the black demographic. 70%. Let me say that again: SEVENTY PERCENT. Fatherless households have utterly decimated the black family as a meaningful institution and this has been crippling to generations of kids, that frankly deserved better. Am I a racist for observing this? I suppose some think so. Frankly I think it's racist to pretend that there's nothing wrong with it.
The other demographics are sadly only doing slightly better. Slightly better than "disaster" isn't "good".
All Huck ever said was that it's an unfortunate example... here's Natalie Portman, a brilliant and lovely young actress with all the money in the world and a private jet, standing in front of a billion people in the audience and she's "proud" of her unmarried pregnancy. For her and her child... there's no particular risk. If you're going to be a single mom, it sure is nice to do it with millions of dollars.
Well... that's not how it works for most single moms. As role models go, it's just flat disengenuous.
natisha
03-07-2011, 06:48 PM
I did laugh when I read she said her "gift" from her man. I didn't instantly think of the baby.
Not to defend Huckabee necessarily... as I'm not a huge fan, only a mild fan... but he certainly didn't say anything even mildly outrageous here.
Is out-of-wedlock childbirth a good thing? Is anyone seriously going to argue that it is the ~preferred~ way to raise children? That is it ~better~ than having kids raised up in a loving home with two committed parents? Anyone? Of course not.
Unmarried childbirth now stands at 70% in the black demographic. 70%. Let me say that again: SEVENTY PERCENT. Fatherless households have utterly decimated the black family as a meaningful institution and this has been crippling to generations of kids, that frankly deserved better. Am I a racist for observing this? I suppose some think so. Frankly I think it's racist to pretend that there's nothing wrong with it.
The other demographics are sadly only doing slightly better. Slightly better than "disaster" isn't "good".
All Huck ever said was that it's an unfortunate example... here's Natalie Portman, a brilliant and lovely young actress with all the money in the world and a private jet, standing in front of a billion people in the audience and she's "proud" of her unmarried pregnancy. For her and her child... there's no particular risk. If you're going to be a single mom, it sure is nice to do it with millions of dollars.
Well... that's not how it works for most single moms. As role models go, it's just flat disengenuous.
The welfare system requires the mother to be single, doesn't it?
natisha
03-07-2011, 07:26 PM
The welfare system requires the mother to be single, doesn't it?Yeah, if Daddy is living in the same house you could lose your $. They figure they don't want to pay for him too. Most single Mom's I know live with the father though.
WashingtonBay
03-07-2011, 07:29 PM
The welfare system requires the mother to be single, doesn't it?
No - not if he's broke too. It's on household income.
natisha
03-07-2011, 07:40 PM
No - not if he's broke too. It's on household income.So married is OK. Do they allow single parents too?
WashingtonBay
03-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Of course. Assistance is based on household income. Single, married, shacking up.
Where women get into trouble with benefits is if they're living with a guy (father or not) but not counting his income. Can't do that.
No - not if he's broke too. It's on household income.
That's changed then. It wasn't available to homes with two able bodied parents in the past. So, you can get married, have kids, not work, and get a monthly payment from welfare?
WashingtonBay
03-07-2011, 08:07 PM
Well, the short answer is yes.
I don't know about further back than about the last 15 years, but I wouldn't think it was different in the past. Maybe I've been in the system too long and find your question a little simplistic (to say the least), but it's not that far-fetched or unheard of for a family with kids to have a downturn and need help of some kind. It happens. I bet it's happening a lot now. I did lots of job counseling for both parents.
Maybe I've been in the system too long and find your question a little simplistic (to say the least)
Yes, my exposure to welfare rules is limited, or "simple" if you will. Most of what I know about it is via a former sister in law who made a career of it, and my niece who used it from her first out of wedlock child to her second, and through a very drawn out higher education endeavor. The welfare reform of 1996 changed her benefit eligibility to the point that she had to get on with it, and go to work.
natisha
03-08-2011, 06:42 PM
Yes, my exposure to welfare rules is limited, or "simple" if you will. Most of what I know about it is via a former sister in law who made a career of it, and my niece who used it from her first out of wedlock child to her second, and through a very drawn out higher education endeavor. The welfare reform of 1996 changed her benefit eligibility to the point that she had to get on with it, and go to work.Now that you mention it, remember how during those reform days people were carrying on about how terrible it was that we would be starving babies? I guess each decade has its own mean Gov. officials.
Now that you mention it, remember how during those reform days people were carrying on about how terrible it was that we would be starving babies? I guess each decade has its own mean Gov. officials.
It's funny. Welfare reform has become known as Bill Clinton's crowning achievement Haha!
natisha
03-08-2011, 06:59 PM
It's funny. Welfare reform has become known as Bill Clinton's crowning achievement Haha!Wanna know what I think of when I think of him? I think that he didn't first get kinky with M. I think the wife was into weird stuff too. Birds of a feather kind of thing.
Ragnar Danneskjold
03-08-2011, 10:04 PM
Wanna know what I think of when I think of him? I think that he didn't first get kinky with M. I think the wife was into weird stuff too. Birds of a feather kind of thing.
I think of cigars. Mmm... Fuente fuente Opus X. or maybe an Arturo fuente 8-5-8...
Schweet. :-)
natisha
03-08-2011, 11:22 PM
I think of cigars. Mmm... Fuente fuente Opus X. or maybe an Arturo fuente 8-5-8...
Schweet. :-) I can't even say anything :p too worried about the fish...this kind :trout:
natisha
03-09-2011, 05:09 AM
OK, now cut that out.Yeah RD, cut that out :nono:
:innocent:
WashingtonBay
03-09-2011, 06:02 AM
Gak.
I think the next time Natisha says "you know what I think of when..." I'm gonna try to cut her off... No! :p
natisha
03-09-2011, 06:49 AM
Gak.
I think the next time Natisha says "you know what I think of when..." I'm gonna try to cut her off... No! :pWho me? :innocent:
HeavensEast
03-09-2011, 07:24 AM
Gak.
I think the next time Natisha says "you know what I think of when..." I'm gonna try to cut her off... No! :p
Trust me, this is her behaving quite well.
WashingtonBay
03-09-2011, 07:40 AM
I believe that :D
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