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miatapony
03-15-2011, 09:40 PM
i dont know if this is ok to post but i think everyone should know what our government wants our military to do .... this scares the HELL out of me.. because we relly mostly on hubbies paycheck......
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/03/military-contingency-plan-government-shutdown-031111w/?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d7fbc71bc4655c9%2C3

Just in case the link dont work ...:poo:
If government shuts down, so would troop pay




By Rick Maze (rmaze@atpco.com?subject=Question from AirForceTimes.com reader) - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Mar 11, 2011 12:08:58 EST

U.S. troops could be required to report to work without pay if a budget clash in Congress results in a government-wide shutdown, according to draft planning guidance circulating in the Pentagon.
A shutdown could happen as early as next week, as the government is set to run out of money at midnight March 17. A bill that would keep the government operating temporarily has been prepared in the House of Representatives, but it is not clear when or if it might pass.
The government has been operating under a series of temporary appropriations, known as continuing resolutions, since Oct. 1 because of lawmakers’ inability to agree on how much money to provide federal agencies. Budget discussions have become increasingly complicated since the November general elections resulted in a divided legislature, with Republicans controlling the House and Democrats controlling the Senate.
When the government was shut down in 1995, military personnel continued to report to work and were paid, but the planning guidance sent to the services and defense agencies says a shutdown this time will be different.
“All military personnel will continue in normal duty status regardless of their affiliation with exempt or non-exempt activities,” says the draft planning guidance that was prepared for the services and defense agencies. “Military personnel will serve without pay until such time as Congress makes appropriated funds available to compensate them for this period of service.”
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• Possible pay stoppage (http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?1589438)

Troops would miss a payday only if the shutdown continues through April 1.
Defense civilian workers would be divided into two categories. “Essential” employees would be required to report to work even though they will not be paid; “nonessential” employees would be furloughed, according to the memo.
Troops and essential civilians who report for work without pay would receive back pay when government funding is restored. But whether furloughed civilians would receive back pay could depend on whether Congress specifically authorizes that, according to congressional aides who have been doing their own shutdown planning.
The memo, prepared in early March but never formally issued as guidance, attempts to spell out what defense missions would shut down and what would stay open in the event funding stops.
• Military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue, including preparations for any units scheduled for deployment.
• Operations necessary for national security, safety of human life and protection of property will continue, but operations that don’t meet one of those three criteria will be “shut down in an orderly and deliberate fashion.”
• Recruiting offices, processing centers and basic training will remain operational.
• Emergency repairs and maintenance that cannot be deferred will be done on base facilities and housing.
• Medical and dental facilities will remain open, although elective surgery and procedures will be postponed. Suicide, substance abuse counseling and crisis intervention will continue.
• Dependents schools and education centers for service members will be open for use by private agencies for courses for which payment already has been made.
• Dining halls, gyms and child care centers will stay open.
• Base exchanges may remain open because they operate using nonappropriated funds. But commissaries, which are supported by taxpayer funds, may be closed, although the memo says military personnel might be assigned to replace furloughed civilians so the grocery stores could remain open.

natisha
03-15-2011, 10:23 PM
I'm on the list to work without pay too. It's not ideal but we'll get paid eventually.

twofingers
03-16-2011, 06:02 AM
You realize of course that the "entitled" would still get paid. that is to say that the leaches on "entitlements" would still get "their" money. perhaps it would be wiser to just not not pay the people who do not do anything anyway.

miatapony
03-16-2011, 06:28 AM
all i can say is it would be a disaster for me. i don't make enough money to cover the bills without the hubbies pay...

and sorry for that N... that is not good...

gaited07
03-16-2011, 07:28 AM
Maybe if we pull our troops out of the middle east BS that would save a lot of money. Also stop funds for rebuilding these areas or putting funds into foriegn health care and education.

cowgirlup@idaho
03-16-2011, 08:17 AM
I already went through this last summer. Idaho Medicaid stopped paying for services on 6/1/10 and didn't start up again until 8/10. During this time they stopped/changed a lot of their paid services that I do to non-paid service and most of those are essential and must be done. I do a lot of 'free' work hours now for my clients, it is essential for their continued progress.

natisha
03-16-2011, 08:50 AM
all i can say is it would be a disaster for me. i don't make enough money to cover the bills without the hubbies pay...

and sorry for that N... that is not good...Maybe you can contact note holders I explain your situation & get deferred payments.

It does seem that most the hard hardship falls on those that work. Tax payers keep paying more, business owners are scum if they want to make a buck, some employed have to work for free regardless of their financial obligations.
This happened in 1995 I believe, it was about 6 weeks without pay. No filing for unemployment either because we technically have jobs.

mare
03-16-2011, 09:05 AM
That IS stressful.

It happened to my dad more than once when he was a cop in Detroit in the 60s and 70s. They got what the guys called "script." My parents mortgage holder was tolerant, so was everyone else's. Parents cut back all spending and after the first time, they started an account to save for the next ones that were sure to come, and did. But I remember hearing them talking in quiet voices late into a few evenings, and all extras disappeared for us kids.

WashingtonBay
03-16-2011, 09:06 AM
...Or they could just get to work on passing the budget... :)

cowgirlup@idaho
03-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Maybe you can contact note holders I explain your situation & get deferred payments.

What the state offered last summer was a letter to give your bank, the agencies' bank, to get an operating loan in order to meet continued payrolls. The "suspended" payments were retroactive so that when the state finally could resume regular reimbursement, they paid for billable hours from those months. My agency is so small that my boss didn't do that. I worked 1hr/wk/client. My W2 was half the amount from the prior year, my husband said it isn't worth my time, especially with all of the new non-pay services. I agree and am fortunate that I don't have to work, with his blessing :cool: When the school year is over in June, I am retiring :)

miatapony
03-16-2011, 06:29 PM
Matbe you can contact note holders I explain your situation & get deferred payments.

It does seem that most the hard hardship falls on those that work. Tax payers keep paying more, business owners are scum if they want to make a buck, some employed have to work for free regardless of their financial obligations.
This happened in 1995 I believe, it was about 6 weeks without pay. No filing for unemployment either because we technically have jobs.


It did happen back then in 1995 i dont know how long it lasted but .. we got a paycheck this time... so ill keep my fingers crossed....

Remali
03-16-2011, 07:30 PM
Things are bad, and really rough all over.... no one is unaffected any more. But it sounds like some will be getting back pay.

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-16-2011, 07:32 PM
It did happen back then in 1995 i dont know how long it lasted but .. we got a paycheck this time... so ill keep my fingers crossed....

No, it didn't happen in 95, and it won't happen now. Military payrolls are already appropriated, well in advance.

I think this is just posturing by the dems. They actually ~want~ a shutdown, so they can try to hang it on the republicans like they did last time (wrongly so). But they're the ones that utterly failed to pass a budget since even the previous Congress-- before the election. The embarrassment should be theirs for copping out and trying to run the government on nothing but continuing resolutions for a couple of years.

It's irresponsible. I just hope the current crop of republicans manage to show some spine and stand up to these bullies. Unlike Gingrich, who blinked and knuckled under when the pressure got high. Now... I actually think very highly of Newt. He's a scary-smart guy, and a brilliant historian, writer and political thinker. But he didn't have the backbone to stand up to the dems when it counted.

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-16-2011, 07:35 PM
Things are bad, and really rough all over.... no one is unaffected any more. But it sounds like some will be getting back pay.

Everybody will get back pay, if there's anybody in any agencies that are actually shut down.

Me... I'm not holding out any hope that there will actually be a shutdown. I'd love to see it, but I'm not holding my breath.

natisha
03-16-2011, 07:38 PM
No, it didn't happen in 95, and it won't happen now. Military payrolls are already appropriated, well in advance.

I think this is just posturing by the dems. They actually ~want~ a shutdown, so they can try to hang it on the republicans like they did last time (wrongly so). But they're the ones that utterly failed to pass a budget since even the previous Congress-- before the election. The embarrassment should be theirs for copping out and trying to run the government on nothing but continuing resolutions for a couple of years.

It's irresponsible. I just hope the current crop of republicans manage to show some spine and stand up to these bullies. Unlike Gingrich, who blinked and knuckled under when the pressure got high. Now... I actually think very highly of Newt. He's a scary-smart guy, and a brilliant historian, writer and political thinker. But he didn't have the backbone to stand up to the dems when it counted.So it did or didn't happen in 95? I know nurses at federal hospitals weren't paid at the time though eventually they were.

Ragnar Danneskjold
03-16-2011, 08:41 PM
So it did or didn't happen in 95? I know nurses at federal hospitals weren't paid at the time though eventually they were.

Oops... sorry... I was talking about military salaries. The military was not part of the "shutdown" in 95.

natisha
03-17-2011, 12:13 AM
Oops... sorry... I was talking about military salaries. The military was not part of the "shutdown" in 95.Don't you care about a poor starving nurse? :(
J/K :p

miatapony
03-17-2011, 07:02 AM
well the military did get paid .. so i guess i was miss informed .. sorry .. but it did happen...