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GrungeEquestrian
04-18-2011, 07:38 PM
At the barn I board Trouble at when I'm out of school, since she comes with me during school, one of the boarders there has asked me to exercise his horse for him over the summer. He is an older gentleman, just a really nice guy...let's call him John. A few days ago he had hip replacement surgery and won't be able to ride for three months. We are good friends and I go on trail rides and team penning with him. He is pretty new with horses but had enough common sense to get a level headed, been there done that 12 year old QH gelding. His horse was previous owned by a talented young horse woman who did endurance, reining, gaming, trails, and team penning with the gelding.

John was all ears when he was really new. But now that he has taken some lessons, watched some videos, read books, and has gotten more experience (been riding for two years now) he is a little set in what he think is right. However, he does respect me as a good rider and has given the OK for my sister to ride his horse too. He hasn't asked for anymore advice from me though after the first year of owning his gelding.

Anyway, I rode the gelding last week when I was home. This is the first time I've actually ridden the gelding in about a year. I found that the gelding has a lot of bad habits. First and foremost I found out from the BO that John spends a lot of his time cantering the straight ways stopping, and spinning the other direction and going at the canter again. He does this constantly, which I know is not good for his gelding's joints. Also the gelding is horribly stiff, at the canter breaks down to the trot even doing the largest of circles, didn't want to round his corners, delayed with leg cues, wouldn't bend, had difficulty flexing, hollows his back, drifts towards the inside of the arena and only uses his hind end at the stop and while backing. He is ridden in a curb and on a loose rein. On the straight ways he stays at a constant speed on a loose rein and neck reins well, but with all his issues I feel that going back to the basics is needed.

I plan on putting him back into the snaffle and get him supple, flexible and working his hind end again. When I talked to John before even getting on his horse and he said I could do what I liked with him. Trail rides, even showing and showed me where all his tack was. When he first bought his gelding he actually only rode him in a snaffle. His only criteria was not to let him get away with anything and not let him get lazy. Which is ironic since it seems his gelding has gotten away with a lot.

I think it would really benefit the gelding to refresh the basics. However, I feel that it will be a not a complete waste, but disappointing to do all this work and than his owner putting him back to where he was before. I know his owner has no idea on rounding of the back, flexing and things of that nature. We are pretty good friends and I think he would take it better than me than from some of the other boarders that he occasionally bumps heads with. I just don't know how I should approach him on this. Of course I'm not going to go up there and say, "Oh by the way you gave your horse a lot of bad habits that I had to fix." But honestly after talking him about riding his horse, he doesn't think his horse has anything to work on. The gelding is digressing instead of improving since John bought him. When I rode him a year ago he was a completely different horse.

I'm kind of stuck here. How should I mention this to his owner? Or should I just not bother? Will I be stepping on toes?

Vegashorselady
04-18-2011, 08:05 PM
He gave you permission to ride the horse and do what you liked with him for the summer. You should just work on the issues and give the owner updates, then you can talk about the improvements the horse is making without saying that he caused them. It's much easier to tell someone, "I've been working on improving your horse's response to leg cues, so he will listen to my little sister better, I think you'll like how light and responsive he is when you get back to riding!" Than it is to say, "your horse has picked up a lot of bad habits so, I'm going to try and fix some things while I'm working with him this summer." I'm sure he'll enjoy the updates and hopefully, he'll retain some of the info you give him on what you are doing with the horse and try it himself when he starts riding again.

GrungeEquestrian
04-18-2011, 08:12 PM
Thanks so much Vegas that's great advice. I'm not expecting the gelding to take to long to pick up the old stuff. It's just frustrating that he is like driving a boat now. He is one of those horses who you can pull out of the pasture after sitting for months and he is quiet...so I'm not expecting too many problems in the road. I'll make sure to update John and maybe say things, "I found if I do this your gelding does this better." Maybe that way John will keep his horse from digressing again.

Vegashorselady
04-19-2011, 10:37 AM
He sounds like a good horse, I'm sure you'll get him more responsive in no time. The owner has been riding for a while now and should be ready to add a little refinement to his riding. Telling him what you find works best is a good way to teach him those things without offering unsolicited advise, which can be off putting.

Tiz
04-19-2011, 12:29 PM
It's much easier to tell someone, "I've been working on improving your horse's response to leg cues, so he will listen to my little sister better, I think you'll like how light and responsive he is when you get back to riding!"

Really nice approach, V.

GrungeEquestrian
04-19-2011, 12:43 PM
He sounds like a good horse, I'm sure you'll get him more responsive in no time. The owner has been riding for a while now and should be ready to add a little refinement to his riding. Telling him what you find works best is a good way to teach him those things without offering unsolicited advise, which can be off putting.

Yeah he is a super nice horse. Great advice using my sister when explaining stuff. She has ridden him while John was there and had some trouble getting him to listen. She is a good rider but is used to broke horses that after a little getting after will listen. This gelding can be a complete turd and you have to demand attention right away or he goes off into "lala land". He can be quite the dead head as I found out.

natisha
04-19-2011, 01:01 PM
This reminds me of a warmblood mare HE recently rode for a woman who wanted the horse worked as the owner only trail rides with her.
The horse had to be mounted a certain way & given treats for standing to be mounted. She moved with her head out in front of verticle, way out & any time HE tried to get her somewhat collected the owner reprimanded HE saying, "she has a very light mouth" keep the reins loose, that kind of stuff. The mare stiffened & pulled against the bit. At one point HE asked her for a simple leg yield & that mare instantly turned cranky. The lady was full of 'don't do this, don't do that'. The horse isn't hopeless but the owner is. They will be happy just riding as they have been.

GE, if the horse you will be working has been trained it should fall back into it when ridden correctly, maybe after a few small tantrums. When you get the horse going well ask the owner to watch & see if he has any interest in learning what you are doing.

TheBadLands
04-19-2011, 03:13 PM
I'm kind of stuck here. How should I mention this to his owner? Or should I just not bother? Will I be stepping on toes?


Say nothing and show him a better horse. He'll ask how you did it.

GrungeEquestrian
04-20-2011, 07:58 AM
This reminds me of a warmblood mare HE recently rode for a woman who wanted the horse worked as the owner only trail rides with her.
The horse had to be mounted a certain way & given treats for standing to be mounted. She moved with her head out in front of verticle, way out & any time HE tried to get her somewhat collected the owner reprimanded HE saying, "she has a very light mouth" keep the reins loose, that kind of stuff. The mare stiffened & pulled against the bit. At one point HE asked her for a simple leg yield & that mare instantly turned cranky. The lady was full of 'don't do this, don't do that'. The horse isn't hopeless but the owner is. They will be happy just riding as they have been.

GE, if the horse you will be working has been trained it should fall back into it when ridden correctly, maybe after a few small tantrums. When you get the horse going well ask the owner to watch & see if he has any interest in learning what you are doing.
Wow poor HE. John isn't that extreme...but when my sister was riding him and she was having trouble getting him to pick up a canter he kept saying, "Lean forward and push your hand up, that's what I do." :rolleyes: My sister has been taught well and knew that it would just unbalance him more and she shouldn't have to be hunched like a vulture to get the horse to canter. She even tried it to make John happy and the gelding still wouldn't canter...surprise.

After probably a month, John will start coming out to see his horse. He'll no doubt watch me or my sister ride his horse so I'm hoping he sees the difference in his horse from watching.

I know the gelding won't be hard to get back into the right gear. He has a great foundation and probably just won't be too happy about really having to work the first few times around. Even the last time, though I was really just getting a feel for him...the moment I asked him to round his corners instead of cutting them sharp he pinned his ears back, swished his tail and glared at me. The BO was laughing because I was like, "Sooo sorry buddy do what you want...my mare can't get me off on her bad days..." He'll be fun that's for sure :p.

Say nothing and show him a better horse. He'll ask how you did it.
I hope that's the case, but I know lately before his surgery he was blaming his horse's crabby attitude and not listening the first time asked on the winter months. :rolleyes: I'm afraid when he gets back to riding he'll think his horse is behaving well because of the nice weather.

Thanks again guys for the replies. I really appreciate them. :)