Westmanfarrier, HoustonFarrier WalkinFool and others

[Country Girl 43]

Hey guys, take a look at these exrays and tell me what you see. Just curious on different opinions..:rolleyes:

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[HoustonFarrier]

Left is slighty broken back axis. Right has some non-articular ringbone, slight sidebone maybe(?).

Steve

[Joey A]

Id agree with them. I circled why. Feet are also flat / slightly negative negative plane. (back of the bone sits too low in the foot) The bottom of the bone should have much more of an angle to it. Negative plane feet react much in the same way as a navicular case, and will test the same with hoof tester. (IOW, I think that you actually have two issues going on here)

I'd opt for a roller motion shoe / bannana, with a #3 wedge. (not 3 degree) That's a big wedge, but I'd also be taking off every little scrap of heel. The frog might prove problematic, as it looks to have prolapsed which is common with neg plane coffin bones.

[westmanfarrier]

Steve beat me to it. Agree sidebone or ringbone. Right has negative to zero palmar angle on PIII. The first shot I can't tell if it is broken back axis or if the horse wasn't standing square on the block.

Possibly see a couple lollipops in Nav bone in left.

[Joey A]

I guess there are a couple suckers on the left too. Didn't see them first time around.

[lovesfortune]

Okay, for someone like me, who has no idea what you guys just said... is there an easier way for me to understand? English maybe? ;)

Thanks for the picture with your circles Walkin... at least I know where you are looking.

[Joey A]

What I circled are shadows that look like navicular degeneration / demineralization. Theres two larger (but lighter) shadows in the navicular bone on the other foot too. Ring bone / side bone are arthritis, but IMO, I don't see anything that would really be causing probelms in the next 3-5 years.

[Joey A]

The red lines are where the bottom of the hoof and the bottom of the bone are. (bottom of the hoof how I would trim it) Blue line imposed on the bone is where I'd like to see the bottom. (it will take time to move within the hoof, but you can atleast align the bones) Blue line underneath shows where I'd put the shoe with the wedge. (yellow line would be where I'd put the front edge of the shoe or where the roll / rocker on the shoe would be. Black lines should be straight and all in line with each other, further showing the need for a wedge.

This is a bannana shoe.

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=420&pictureid=4601

Notice the shoe is not flat, this is to reduce leverage forces on the foot.

[mustangluver]

I have nothing to offer except WOW how educational!!!

[Mercury]

Is this Dreamers foot? What did your vet/farrier say?

[lovesfortune]

Thanks again Walkin. I feel like I learn more when I see a visual.

[PatriotsDreamer]

Reallly informative its great to have you guys around! Im praying for Dreamer!!!! :)

[PoniesRock101]

thanks, for the pcitures with the red circles and lines! i understand it now! :) great explanations.

[42many]

Great pics and info!

[Gypsy Rose]

Great educational thread!

[Country Girl 43]

Yes, this is Dreamer....:( So far her shoes are doing good. She can be riden for trial riding, but no gymkhanas in her future..

This is interesting...nobody mentioned ringbone before? Navicular yes. She does also have a bone spur on each hoof. I think that is what you meant by lollipops???

I like hearing from others that know about these things.

[Joey A]

No, "lollipop's" are an informal description of the little circular shadows on the navicualr bone. (what I circled on that first image)

What Steve and Shane were talking about most likely were what the vet called bone spurs. (ring bone, arthritis, bone spurs etc.)

[Country Girl 43]

Oh...gotcha..... Both my vet and shoer said the navicular looked worse in her right foot, but she was favoring her left front more before we had all the tests and MRI done. she is doing much better with those shoes, but everyonce in awhile I see a slight limp at a trot on her left front.

Another question....if given bute, will that hide her symptoms?? I'm wondering, because the last 2 times I saw her before I bought her, I rode her at all 3 gaits and she wasn't gimpy. Heck she wasn't gimpy for the first couple of months that I had her. Even took her to a couple of gymkhanas and she was fine.

One day I turned her loose in the arena and she was running and bucking, then all of a sudden came up gimpy. She's been that way ever since. :(

[gaited07]

Bute is an amazing drug that will mask a LOT of pain. My other gelding foundered really bad and bute was the only way he could get up and move on.
I believe that dreamer could have been drugged with some type of ace (bute).
We have a young girl at our barn that purchased this beautiful warmblood mare that has an extensive show record with the hopes of continuing her show career on this wonderful horse. Upon bring the horse home (no prepurchase exam done:eek:, over $8000.00 paid for this horse:huh:) the horse started to show signs of lameness. They gave the horse stall rest for a few weeks, rode her and again, lame. Finally after about 8+ months of this madness, they finally brought the horse in for a lameness tests and found out that the horse had a "broken navicular bone" The new owners (Mother of the girl) still claims that the horse broke that bone will on the "flats in the arena at our barn:huh::huh:!!! Even the vet said that it was a hard hit this horse took and not on any flat work. Anyway, moral of the story, they drugged the horse up to fool them and convinced them that the horse was sound and healthy so they (new owners) chose NOT to have a vet check:eek:

[Country Girl 43]

Wow, Gaited... $8K for a horse?:eek: I mean i know they are out there, but if I could afford to pay that much for a horse, I would definately pay another $500 for a lameness check.

Well....at least I know I got Dreamer out of a bad home. Where we go from here is unknown.... I wish I had my own property....then none of this would matter.

[cloedoll]

Wow, very informative posts.
I'm real sorry about Dreamer...:( Cloe was drugged, too, but luckily no lameness issues, just crazy insane mare that wanted to kill ya kinda issues.

[Country Girl 43]

It's just so frustrating!!!