2nd Amendment...your thoughts??

[rocknK]

Seems we've got more legislation restricting, limiting, law-abiding tax-paying citizens from keeping & bearing arms than all of the other Rights put together. :cowboy:

[Arrow]

Good.

[mtnmollie]

Our founding fathers knew- when you loose your guns- you loose your freedom.

[WashingtonBoy]

From my cold, dead hands... :cool:

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=74&pictureid=581

[WashingtonBay]

Heh... folks might be amused to know I took that picture on our first real date :)

[WashingtonBay]

Seems we've got more legislation restricting, limiting, law-abiding tax-paying citizens from keeping & bearing arms than all of the other Rights put together. :cowboy:

Especially in California where you are.

I'm happy to say that gun law here in Washington is pretty reasonable compared to other places, I think we have fewer restrictions than Texas.

[Arrow]

Heh... folks might be amused to know I took that picture on our first real date :)

O...M...G....:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

That explains SOOOOOO much!

[WashingtonBay]

It's true! We met online, as I think you know, he was living in Minnesota. He came out here for a visit, and our first day together we went shooting, among other things. :D

So how would you have advised me then... "I met this guy on the internet and the first day I'm thinking of taking him out into the middle of nowhere with a bunch of guns."

I think it's probably actually HIS parents and friends who had reason for concern about this new romance. ;)

[HoustonFarrier]

From my cold, dead hands...

I'm right there with you, brother...and I've got more ammo if you run out !

Steve

[twofingers]

folks tend to forget that the constitution limits the government not the people. and that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect our selves from a overbearing and corrupt government. in every oppressive government the steps are always the same, disarm the citizenry, deny them the right to gather, and shutdown free speech.

[JackieB]

By far, Americans, including the Supreme Court in a recent landmark decision, support the rights of individuals to own guns. This comes up often, but I honestly don't see it as a problem. If a law-abiding adult citizen in the U.S. wants a gun, he/she can buy one.

Nobody is going to take away American's guns. It comes up at election time to scare people into voting against certain candidates, but it's not a real issue.

[rocknK]

JB, not exactly true here in CA. There's a whole bunch of firearms that I'm prohibited from owning that are perfectly acceptable in the rest of the USA.:mad:

[WashingtonBay]

I think people in California and New York City and a few other places around the country (including those in that recent landmark decision in DC) might disagree with you on how "at risk" their gun rights are, but overall, I think you're right, most places in the country wouldn't stand for it. Even here in WA, which has a fairly liberal reputation, more "gun control" legislation has not been a popular idea.

But we have to keep reminding people when they do get ideas.

[Arrow]

It's true! We met online, as I think you know, he was living in Minnesota. He came out here for a visit, and our first day together we went shooting, among other things. :D

So how would you have advised me then... "I met this guy on the internet and the first day I'm thinking of taking him out into the middle of nowhere with a bunch of guns."

I think it's probably actually HIS parents and friends who had reason for concern about this new romance. ;)

Hey, I wasn't criticizing or anything! He actually looks pretty hot in that pic... ahem, forget I said that.:innocent:

[JackieB]

rocknK,
But you aren't prohibited from owning firearms entirely, are you?

I don't have a problem with restrictions on assault weapons, armor piercing bullets, and so on. I've never felt that prohibiting the sale of those types of weapons would lead to restrictions on all firearms. The Second Amendment is just too ingrained in the U.S. culture. It's just not a real problem. I'll bet that well over 90% of Americans (including both major presidential candidates this year, by the way) support the Second Amendment.

[WashingtonBay]

He actually looks pretty hot in that pic...

Heh... from my cold, dead hands! :D

[Arrow]

folks tend to forget that the constitution limits the government not the people. and that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect our selves from a overbearing and corrupt government. in every oppressive government the steps are always the same, disarm the citizenry, deny them the right to gather, and shutdown free speech.

I agree with you. But in a modern world that they couldn't even begin to imagine, I don't see anything wrong with regulating guns. Not banning them, regulating them. The problem is that the NRA takes the position that any step towards regulation sets you on a slippery slope to banning them, so now compromises are allowed.

[oursarge]

It's true! We met online, as I think you know, he was living in Minnesota. He came out here for a visit, and our first day together we went shooting, among other things. :D

So how would you have advised me then... "I met this guy on the internet and the first day I'm thinking of taking him out into the middle of nowhere with a bunch of guns."

I think it's probably actually HIS parents and friends who had reason for concern about this new romance. ;)


That's funny! It all worked out well though so that's good, you have so many things in common which is really nice!

[HoustonFarrier]

The problem is that the NRA takes the position that any step towards regulation sets you on a slippery slope to banning them

The NRA is NOT the only one who thinks (KNOWS) that will happen. I am NOT a member of the NRA, but I do know that will happen. All you have to do is understand politicians. Once they take something...they RARELY ever give it back.

Steve

[rocknK]

Arrow, in CA many guns are BANNED. Not just regulated but not allowed to be sold in the state. Its alot more than the camels nose under the tent. The darned critter is living in the tent & pooping all over the place!

[WashingtonBay]

rocknK... Isn't it very difficult to get a concealed weapons permit in CA too?

[rocknK]

Next to immpossible. Unless you are a judge, lawyer or Hollywood actor. I take a little of that back. Next to immpossible in the Greater SF Bay Area & Los Angeles Basin Area. There are still a few counties that as long as a citizen has no crimminal or mental record & pays their taxes they can get a CCW.

[mtnmollie]

- I'm from the city- and dont understand all this.

My government has always been my friend. :cowboy:

[rocknK]

Mollie, if I bring my mind & my glock can I move to Idaho. I promise to leave any CA attitude here as well.

[mtnmollie]

folks tend to forget that the constitution limits the government not the people. and that the primary purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect our selves from a overbearing and corrupt government. in every oppressive government the steps are always the same, disarm the citizenry, deny them the right to gather, and shutdown free speech.

Great post 2.

[mtnmollie]

Yes come. Idaho is beginning to be discovered by the California stampeed.

Tom Dorrance grew up just across the river in northestern Oregon.

[Sundays Man]

I'm right there with you, brother...and I've got more ammo if you run out !

Steve

Yes and Yes. I agree. They can make laws till they puke, but I WILL NOT give up my guns. I'm sure a lot of ignorant well meaning people have thier reasons for taking away guns, but until you can change human nature, people will kill people, even if they have to use ball bats. If you think the cops will save you, call one next time a rapist or intruder hits your home.

[mtnmollie]

My German Shepherd dog-Texas Ranger- was shot by a hunter when he was two. I hate guns.
Everytime they go bang at hunting season I jump. I'm from the city and never grew up with guns- and got really gun shy after Tex.

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=65&pictureid=469

edit I thought about what you said- SM-

thanks fer having me here.

[Sundays Man]

one more thing- I will be deleateing my posts in this thread tonight or tomorrow.


I like what you have to say. Why delete them. We haven't lost 1st amendment rights too have we? I want you on my side when the stuff hits the fan.

[Tatesgram]

one more thing- I will be deleateing my posts in this thread tonight or tomorrow.
Don't do that, I enjoy reading them. Just straight forward common sense.

[rums_mom]

Don't delete them, Mollie!

IMHO, you do not have to worry about anyone taking away your 2nd amendment rights. The states and cities are given jurisdiction for their elected officials to make laws that they feel is a betterment for the majority of the people. You don't like the laws, move.........

I don't agree with all the laws imposed on me but by being a law abiding citizen I follow them. Most of them anyway........

Like Mollie said, if they take away the 2nd amendment rights, are the others up for grabs as well? What about the 15? Or the 18th? or one of my personal favorites, the 5th?

Like JackieB said, this topic comes up around election time to get people riled up, but anyone sworn to uphold the constitution of the US would not in their right mind, try to appeal the 2nd amendment.

[mtnmollie]

I did have one more thought. Fred the Jew left Austria. His family died there.
His mother saw a storm comming, but his father did not.

I said Fred, How do you see the storm.
He said If you look- you will see it.
I said - where do you look?
he said- you will find where to look.

And he said Mollie, 80- 90 per cent or more of the people will never see the storm comming.
You can't convince them its comming either.

In Kansas you get down in a shelter when the storm hits.
Hunker down and wait it out. Storms pass. This is life.

[42many]

All you have to do is understand politicians. Once they take something...they RARELY ever give it back.

Steve

What, you mean like Income Taxes?? :innocent: That would never happen!:hysterical:

[mtnmollie]

This is from my forum friend. Its kinda long but worth the read maybe.

Bail out

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Someone emailed this to me and I like the idea

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bon-a-fide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college - it'll be there
Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car - create jobs
Invest in the market - capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG - liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never0A work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion 'We Deserve It Dividend' more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

Kindest personal regards,

mtnmollie

[vicklynn]

Heh... folks might be amused to know I took that picture on our first real date :)

Wow, was it that hard for him to get you to say Yes???:hysterical::hysterical:

[alittleoffkey]

I LOVE living in the state of Georgia! They keep making it easier for those of us who legally carry weapons to do so! They just legalized those of us who have carry and conceals to carry our guns onto public transportation (like Marta - so those of us who have legally been leaving our guns at home or in the car for years can now be just as armed as those who haven't ;)), on public property (not courtrooms, but things like parks) and into restaruants. They're also trying to make it legal to have guns in your vehicle when you're on college property.

I turn 21 in 8 days... and I don't care about going out and partying... I just want to get my CCL. :)

[rums_mom]

IKWYM, Mollie about being scared of "them".

My son had a very scary visit from Homeland Security about 6 months ago.......I am not paranoid, I know they can take someone away and you would never know where they were. Because that is what HSA told my son, he would NOT be able to contact anyone, not his parents, friends or an attorney and he would be GONE, for however long they wanted.:eek: This is not made up, this is not BS, it is real and it happened to my son. They froze his checking account and when he called to see what was wrong he was told to come to the main office, that is where he had his little meeting.

[mtnmollie]

Since I am in the Sheriffs Possie - I got to go to cop school for a day.

This guy said- If only - if only I had taken my gun to church that day-
my son would be alive today and not dead. - Texascop.

rumsmom- a i net friend became a target. His web site dissappeared - he dissappeared - his name is gone from his web boards - like he never was. i dont know what happened.

We live in Russia - but we dont know it yet.

I never spoke to him- I just watched him.

you ideot! WE live in Russia _ I wanted to shout to him.
but I remembered Fred's words to me.

[mtnmollie]

IKWYM, Mollie about being scared of "them".

My son had a very scary visit from Homeland Security about 6 months ago.......I am not paranoid, I know they can take someone away and you would never know where they were. Because that is what HSA told my son, he would NOT be able to contact anyone, not his parents, friends or an attorney and he would be GONE, for however long they wanted.:eek: This is not made up, this is not BS, it is real and it happened to my son. They froze his checking account and when he called to see what was wrong he was told to come to the main office, that is where he had his little meeting.

That is not America- that is Russia. They did this for our security - folks.

WE have terrorist among us.. and they are us?

WAnna know what happens to you when you fly?
Teh gustopo can do whatever they want- strip searches- body cavity searches-

and do you know who they are after? us.

ouch- my heart bleeds.

[mtnmollie]

SM- We haven't lost 1st amendment rights too have we?

he did. Who ?

The guy that talked.

I will tell you about it tomorrow.

[rocknK]

Mollie, At least you can rest assurred that the Commies will take over Idaho LAST. I fear they've already started the revolution near me!:help:

[mtnmollie]

WE have our whacos. Northern Idaho neo nazis -
across the river milita revolotionaries- bam bam bam- hear the shooting?

Whacky neighbor arrested for too many guns.

[mtnmollie]

Mollie, At least you can rest assurred that the Commies will take over Idaho LAST. I fear they've already started the revolution near me!:help:

I like our government. It is true America has her problems- but we are the best nation in the entire world. There is no where to run to- if one wated to run.

But but but- flee from Caliy - fornia! Just kidding. he he

[Sundays Man]

Go to the link below. Whooaaa, don't know how that happened, but it posted the actual video...cool. There's a lady who understands our second amendment rights. Very powerful and explains it very well I think.



Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For r=goog-sl

[HoustonFarrier]

It is illigal to own over 30 day supplly of food anywhere in America.

Then every grocery store in America is illegal???

Steve

[twofingers]

I would like to point out that in the Patriot act it if you have more than 500 rounds of any caliber you are considered an armory and must have a FFL (Federal Firearms license) and failure to comply is a felony. that would be three boxes of .22 a couple of boxes of .357 a box of 9 mil and a box of 12 gauge. and suddenly your an enemy of the state.

[WashingtonBay]

twofingers... I don't think that's true, in fact, I purchased more than that the last time I went shooting.

Do you have a link that proves what the Patriot Act actually says about this?

[WashingtonBay]

Then every grocery store in America is illegal???

Steve

So is my deep freezer and buying the Costco sized bonus pack of Mac-n-cheese. Mollie... It's not illegal to store food. ;)

[Sundays Man]

If you haven't checked out the video above and haven't seen it before you should watch. I would like to see her as WB's running mate in a pres election.

[WashingtonBay]

I'm listening to her now. :)

[WashingtonBay]

Thanks Sunday's Man... I will definitely keep her on my short list :)

[Sundays Man]

I loved the "2nd amendment is not about duck hunting" comment and the things she said after that. All I could say was "YOU GO GIRL!".

[Sundays Man]

DAGGGUMIT! I've GOT to git off this forum!!! I need help, someone please HEEEELP me! I can see it now...I lost my job, my family and everything I own because of forum addiction.

[WashingtonBay]

Heh... I'm sorry. :innocent: Should I put you in time out? ;)

[Sundays Man]

NNNOOOO!! Don't do that!! I've got to have it!!!! I can't be without it!!!:rant::crazy:

[WashingtonBay]

OK - just use our forum responsibly SM :) We don't want to have to form a ForumAnon group. ;)

[mtnmollie]

So is my deep freezer and buying the Costco sized bonus pack of Mac-n-cheese. Mollie... It's not illegal to store food. ;)

I know I'm whacky. I can't remember where I read that stuff.
I know everything you read is not always true.

It is a strange story for a person to make up though.

[WashingtonBay]

Oh people have made up things lots wackier than that. :D But it's still not true.

[mtnmollie]

Then every grocery store in America is illegal???

Steve

This rule is not for grocery stores- silly. :cowboy:

..oh hum... I can keep my mouth shut.

Many things get pondered in my heart- not tossed in the dumpster.

I have a shelf in my mind for- what do I do with this information. ?

Bigfoot goes on that shelf. He is unbelieveable.

If you tell too many bigfoot stories- you loose yer credibality.
Espically on the i- net.

[mtnmollie]

Oh people have made up things lots wackier than that. :D But it's still not true.

Yer saying you dont believe me. hehe

I have not done the reasearch- this is true.

If it was true- it would be written down- in that big fat pile of our laws-
homeland security or terrorist stuff- somewhere.

I will quit telling bigfoot stories if you want me to. he he

[JackieB]

Bigfoot goes on that shelf. He is unbelieveable.

If you tell too many bigfoot stories- you loose yer credibality.
Espically on the i- net.

I don't believe that bigfoot exists, so I'll admit that when I first read your story it made me wonder. But, who really knows? Perhaps bigfoot exists in some other dimension that we don't understand and pops into our world occasionally. But I'm confident that bigfoot isn't dwelling in a forest anywhere in the sense that we think of creatures "living".

[mtnmollie]

I would like to point out that in the Patriot act it if you have more than 500 rounds of any caliber you are considered an armory and must have a FFL (Federal Firearms license) and failure to comply is a felony. that would be three boxes of .22 a couple of boxes of .357 a box of 9 mil and a box of 12 gauge. and suddenly your an enemy of the state.

I believe you 2 fingers.

[mtnmollie]

But jackie you misunderstand me. I am not talking about bigfoot.

I am talking about 30 day food supplies...

It seems like a bigfoot story, but neither Bay no I have done the research on 30 day food supply laws in America. Is that more clear?

[JackieB]

But jackie you misunderstand me. I am not talking about bigfoot.

I am talking about 30 day food supplies...

It seems like a bigfoot story, but neither Bay no I have done the research on 30 day food supply laws in America. Is that more clear?

Sorry. I'm confusing things a bit. I meant your post in the "I wonder" thread about bigfoot visiting and taking some dog food. I was just saying that reading this gave me pause (just momentarily) about the rest of the story because you described how bigfoot visited your camp.

I was just saying that I understand what you mean when you say that you have to be careful talking about bigfoot.

And I definitely don't doubt anything you're saying about the Lolo trail. :) You've got tons of gorgeous pictures. But....I might be more inclined to think that a raccoon or some other critter visited your campsite.

[mtnmollie]

*I should take your post and my post and go to the doghouse..
spin- off B/F thread. *

I did. :cowboy:

[JackieB]

I know a catahoula well. Fantastic dogs.

Have you ever seen a grizzly bear where you live? There must be at least a few in Northern Idaho.

[JackieB]

That's pretty cool. I'd love to talk to your husband about his grizzly research sometime.

[HogWild]

Pro second amendment and every other amendment here in NW AR!!!

I deer hunt with a custom rifle chambered in 260 Ackley Improved. Also have a German made air rifle, a Beeman, for shooting starlings and sparrows here in town that try to kill my purple martins and bluebirds. Only thing I use my shotgun for is clays and turkey hunting.

What do you guys hunt with?

Edited to add: ....to be more specific, I only kill European starlings and English House sparrows......no native birds. These birds are not native to America and every wildlife department I'm aware of recommends they be destroyed.

[JackieB]

I found some information regarding his grizzly research online. Amazing thing that Internet. Your husband is quite a man. How did you meet him if you don't mind me asking?

What does your husband think of bigfoot? I got the impression from the bit that I read about his grizzly sightings that his reputation was one of utmost care and honesty. The he would not have reported a grizzly sighting or sign if there was any doubt. So, how about bigfoot?

I haven't ever traveled through the area where you live, but I was a bit surprised that grizzly bears were completely extirpated from the Bitterroots (or thought to be) in the first place. They have been in Yellowstone and the Tetons all along. Is there not a suitable corridor between there and the Bitterroot mountains?

The article I was reading said that the state officially downplayed grizzly sightings, but your husband took them seriously all along. I can see the Michigan DNR doubting mountain lions because the closest known populations are a heck of a long ways away and over the Great Lakes! But it doesn't seem like grizzlies in a wilderness in Idaho should be that controversial. But like I said, I don't understand the geography, either.

[mtnmollie]

Hi hog wild. I dont hunt but I am sure someone else will answer your post.
edit- Welcome to our campfire. :cowboy:

[twofingers]

Well I had to go to work but I am back for the moment. WB I will dig through the patriot act and find it- What you don't have a copy:D And in a completely unrelated thought I did move my horse.

[mtnmollie]

Where do you get a copy? :cowboy: