Opinions needed from hoof experts or

[OwnedByOurHorses]

anyone with knowledge about complete hoof wall bruising and weaking of the wall
I add pictures ...Rein's front hooves are affected also yet due to the black walls it's hard to see The only way I can explain the front is that they both have thin white striping in the front and now since brusing has started they look all blacK.
Little history.. Rein is a 9 old BLM mustang 12.2hh and last tru-scale weight was 547lb.
she was bred back to back, a grade 3 on the henneke body score and rode by a 300+ lb 6'5" idiot. back hooves were all ready bruised when we got her


We rescued Rein in Nov 07 and have since dealt with tendinitis of lat digital extensor , joint problems,and carbohydrate toxicity,( feb 08 escaped with her partners in crime and got in the grain)

Both our vet and shoer are at a lose when it comes to why we have been dealing with the bruising for so long. All x-rays come back showing no signs of any changes from the first x-rays when got her . First xrays did show signs of past founder.
No tenderness when hoof testers are used
Yet does have good and bad days of late with her joints
She receives one pound of stragedy (sp) plus horse shoers secret ,msm and free choice minerals along with 24/7 pasture with free choice hay

Her hooves are in need of care. I know she is all ready at the 6 week mark...What I would like to know is what you suggest as far was what her hooves need done as far as trimming and if you have any opinions on the bruising
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[OwnedByOurHorses]

more rear pictures
LEFT REAR

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=97&pictureid=629

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Right rear

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Front Hooves

Left
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Right

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[OwnedByOurHorses]

more front hooves

Left
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Right

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[HoustonFarrier]

The bruising is just from hoof imbalance. A balanced trim will go along way towards helping the horse. Note: Bruising CAN occur even in a well balanced foot. Since it shows very readily in a white foot, don't be alarmed at occasional bruises. In this case, what she is exhibiting appears to be from imbalance/flares.

I'd be interested to know what "past signs of founder" show on the radiographs.......

Steve

[OwnedByOurHorses]

The bruising is just from hoof imbalance. A balanced trim will go along way towards helping the horse. Note: Bruising CAN occur even in a well balanced foot. Since it shows very readily in a white foot, don't be alarmed at occasional bruises. In this case, what she is exhibiting appears to be from imbalance/flares.

I'd be interested to know what "past signs of founder" show on the radiographs.......

Steve

I'm not sure how it was determined by x-rays that she had past founder signs. I will say that her hooves were heavily groved like sickness will cause.- guess I should of been takin pictures of her hooves from day one.


i feel screwed :( my best farrier has retired and most farriers here won't do mustangs. ( here most mustangs are pasture decorations that the owners expect the farriers and vets to train for the care they need) The one I have now keeps telling me she has a uneven growth and that is why she always unbalanced by time she is due for her next trim..( know any good farriers in my area :) around Corpus Christi)

[Peggy Sue]

Man Steve I knew this one and you beat me to it LOL

just dont' tell them she is a mustang, problem sloved,you have a grade horse LOL what are they gonna do pack up and leave when they see the freeze brand??

[HoustonFarrier]

( know any good farriers in my area :) around Corpus Christi)

My wife knows a REAL good farrier near Houston :p

LOL

Steve

[westmanfarrier]

Call Steve, haul to him:cowboy: Your bruising dilemma will be better!

Looks like heels could be addressed, as they look a bit long and uneven. You did say you were due for a trim though. Notice the hump in the hairline at the bruising site where the horn is jammed. Remember, bruising will not 'go away' it will grow down with the hoof. Any improvement will happen first at the coronet and grow out as well. I was going to ask about the extensor bump, but then reread your post. Your horse has a laundry list of ailments, bruising could partly be from compensating for other stuff too.

Who says mustangs don't have lameness that domestics have?

[OwnedByOurHorses]

what are they gonna do pack up and leave when they see the freeze brand??they do leave!!!


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Originally posted by ownedbyourhorses http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/images/styles/beige/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6794#post6794)
( know any good farriers in my area :) around corpus christi)

my wife knows a real good farrier near houston :p

lol

steve

If fuel cost wouldn't hurt the wallet so badly I would trailer her there every 5-6 weeks... my best friend lives in Conroe

there is bruising in the new growth

the hump you see is a come and go thing..they are not sure what or why..

One of the comments made to us about her bruising by one farrier is that she does it to herself in her movements.

This evening I'm going to get a video of her moving .. I think you guys seeing how she moves would be a good thing..
maybe you will see something myself anf my vet aren't seeing. We don't see any hitting of the hoof by another hoof

[Peggy Sue]

You are joking right?? Even though she is well behaved they pack up and leave??? OMG that is just crazy!!!

the trim leaves alot to desired and what is really bad is that most mustangs I have seen have wonderful hooves!!

[Mercury]

they do leave!!!

One of the comments made to us about her bruising by one farrier is that she does it to herself in her movements.



Get a slinky and cover up her brand... Say your working on mane taming :rolleyes:. If its her movements you could try a pair of bell boots on her feet?

[Peggy Sue]

[quote=Mercury;7274]Get a slinky and cover up her brand... Say your working on mane taming :rolleyes:. [quote]

Heck I have a camo one I will send you for free as long as you send me the shipping!!

Is it bad that we had the same thought just cover the damn thing up LOL

[Mercury]

Hehe! Nope! Although I'm not sure I would trust a farrier that won't trim a horse just because of it's breed... a draft I can understand. That is a lot of work. But just because it's a mustang... and not a big one at that... it makes me question their knowledge.

[OwnedByOurHorses]

Hehe! Nope! Although I'm not sure I would trust a farrier that won't trim a horse just because of it's breed... a draft I can understand. That is a lot of work. But just because it's a mustang... and not a big one at that... it makes me question their knowledge.


it's not so much about questioning their knowledge it's the idiots that adopt the mustangs around here that have no business even owning a pet rock. They expect the farriers and vets around here to treat a horse that has had very little human contact and what contact it has had since it was brought on to their property was usually cruel..

So in away I can't blame them even though my mustang pays the price.

thank you for the offer of the slinky peggy sue....I think a slinky for a normal size horse would drown her...what do you think?

Going out now to get a video of her hope to have it posted in a couple of hours

[Peggy Sue]

this one fit my mare is already has afew extra holes LOL

[OwnedByOurHorses]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhvfc3Qaf0Y

Here is a quick video I took of Rein walking and trotting.with a few strides of a canter in there.I couldn't get her to go into a canter willingly and I wasn't wanting to really push her to much ..sorry that there is another horse with her, She seems to be more willing to move around when Shadow is with her..

[westmanfarrier]

Not so sure it is an interfering problem, but a toe first landing problem, probably because of the extensor not fully engaging. You can support that somewhat. I have had success with a properly fitted NBS shoe.

Looks like a few pounds could be shed.

[OwnedByOurHorses]

Not so sure it is an interfering problem, but a toe first landing problem, probably because of the extensor not fully engaging. You can support that somewhat. I have had success with a properly fitted NBS shoe.

Looks like a few pounds could be shed.


could you explain how a NBS shoe would help her.. with her extensor not engaging?

First thing this morning she, the one in video with her and my yearling were all moved to the dry lot, in hopes of shedding a few pounds.

[westmanfarrier]

Wide web for protection and support, get breakover and heels in correct location, makes movement more efficient.

Same thing could be done with wide web traditional shoe with big rolled toe.

[APPYT]

Same thing can be done with a proper barefoot trim. If you are interested in learning how to trim them yourself, since you are not having any luck with the locals, I can steer you to a good yahoo barefoot site.

[Cat]

I think a good barefoot trim would do this horse wonders. Her her hooves in balance, proper break-over and some quarter relief, I bet you will see those bruises go away. I gave up on the farriers in my area a couple years back as they kept making one of the horses we had at the time lame. He was pigeon toed and they kept trying to "correct" it. Grrr... So I went and got training and haven't regretted it sense. Most definately the best thing I could have done for my horses. Toby used to get bruising like that on his back white feet when we had one farrier in particular trim his feet. He hasn't had that now in a couple years.