Do ya'all know...

[mtnmollie]

what a Catahoula Leopard dog is?

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/mtnmollie/PagodaRidge-%20Hung2/P5150151.jpg

[cloedoll]

Nope, but if that is one, it's cute!

[mtnmollie]

Anybody remember Ole Yeller from Walt Disney? Catahoulas are an ole yeller dawg- they work javilina hogs an brahama cattle- toughest stock dogs in the US. They is my mountain horse dog buddy. What a pal if you give them people time and exercise.

Here is Big Jake on Pagoda Ridge. Jake is named after a John Wayne movie.

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[cloedoll]

Oh my gosh, I love that movie. ♥ Your dogs are real cute!

[mtnmollie]

Thanks.That movie is from Fred Gibson's book- Old Yeller that tell the story of one or two of those (Catahoula) Texas cow- hog dogs. They are orginally from the Catahoula Lakes region of Louisiana.

[Country Girl 43]

Those are great pictures!

[Equine_Woman]

Very nice! I've not heard of that breed I don't believe. . .although I've heard of the Catahoula dogs before, just not a Catahoula Leopard dog. Very pretty dog!

[mtnmollie]

Thank you. Some call them Catahoula Cur dogs, mine are registered with the Louisiana Catahoua Leopard Dog asso. Their tough. A camper in Montana had a grizzly bear visit camp- his dog got after grizz and grizz left. I said, " Thats a Catahoula, tougher than a grizzly bear- LOL.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/mtnmollie/PagodaRidge-%20Hung2/P5260010.jpg

[mtnmollie]

I was camping alone in the forest, my horses ran off- left me afoot in the forest- my dogs went with them, jumped in the face of my mare- maybe bit her nose? Turned my stampeeding horses back to me. (If they turn the mare the 2 geldings follow. They somehow knew that? ) Twice in my life my Catahoulas have rescued me from walking.

[JackieB]

Yes, I sure do. I know a catahoula well. She lives where Buster boards and I see her all the time. A great dog!

[Remali]

Wow, fascinating, I've never heard of the breed....beautiful pictures!

[Cat]

Never heard of the breed. Neat photos and interseting stories!

[mtnmollie]

Oh my gosh, I love that movie. ♥ Your dogs are real cute!

Oh- I bet you ment the John Wayne movie- LOL> My edit button does not work- but I'm not complaining! :)

The UPSD man came to deliver a package, and my dog loves all mankind. The building inspector came when we were gone (the sneak) and Jake says - " You, mister, can not get out of the car." LOL> What a decerning dog.

This man broke in my house and my dog says "Wake up mom! Wake up!"

To the burgler he says- "Yer dead- yer dead."

It was easy fer me to get the burgler to leave- and he did not get bite? No lawsuit - but control. Of course my dog would of bit the guy if he'd of pushed the issue. What a smart- decerning dog. My first Catahoula had me in awe.

[valleyrider]

Nice looking dog,, I have heard of them. There was one in the paper for sale a long time ago. Back then I did not know what they looked like so I Googled it. Nice dogs..If I din't already have 3 dogs I would have gotten her.

[mtnmollie]

Nice looking dog,

Thank you. I have owned this breed since about 1976. :)

[SedonaThunder]

Oo - oo - I do, I do! I have a friend with a Catahoula named "Freeway" as that's where she rescued him from... running up and down between the barrier rails. She put up posters and checked around but never found owners so she was lucky enough to keep him - he is an amazingly smart dog.

[mtnmollie]

Freeway- cool name for a dog who has to run! They live for love and miles to go!
Run! Mom can we run today? :)

[mlle_beau]

I've never heard of that breed but it sounds great! When I eventually get my own land I might look for one of those dogs. They seem like the type that need lots of space to run on.

[mtnmollie]

They've lived with me from city to counrty since 1976. I was riding Dee Dee for a woman and she dumped me and run off. :eek: Gee lady your horse is somewhere on the Idaho - Montan line- expensive Paso too. Yikes. But my dog Jake was there - so Dee Dee did not run far- LOL. Was I relieved-:p

[mtnmollie]

My first Catahoula was Blue. He was flown into Colorado from Wickenburg, Arizona. I thought he was a hound and not a stock dog. So we go riding on some cattle range and the cattle man says to me, "What kind of stock dog is that? " I said, How could you tell he was a stock dog? "By the way he is built."

How is a stock dog built? Some questions yer afraid to ask.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/mtnmollie/P1010038.jpg

[AppyLady]

Our neighbors have a red one named Diego. When we ride by their house, he wants to come out and pick a fight with my dogs. Other than that, he seems like a nice dog.

[mtnmollie]

The one in my avator is my smallest Catahoula, Jeb. But he is very dog aggressive. My first Catahoula (Blue) was dog aggressive. My second (Big Jake) loved everybody- dog and man- everyone except the building inspector. He was a soft dog. Yeller was soft too-or not hard headed or easy to live with. Blue was strong willed- hard headed and tough to manage. Jeb was the hardest of 'em all- I'm glad I'm not a first - time Catahoula owner with Jeb.

When they work them in Texas, the ranchers gather together and all the dogs fight- then go work together. They just wanted to know who was boss dog, then second in command- on down the line. Boss dog does the hardest job first- till tired- then second takes over. They are team players. They are headers not heelers.

Headers will jump in the face of a stampeeding horse and stop them. Oakie does that when I ride, dances in the face of my horse- I hollar- he does not listen (hard head?) I get a rock- he backs off. Oakie is always in my horse's face at the wrong time. LOL.

I never noticed till this thread, I dont think I have a good picture of Oakie; or any picture of Oakie.

[Gliderider]

I have heard of Mountain Cur is that the same ? They sound like great dogs.

[mtnmollie]

Maybe, My neighbor had yellow Cur dogs and crossed them with white english bull dogs. He said they were the same as Catahoulas. His dogs got wild if left out of the house too long. (Like on a dog chain at the dog house.) Catahoulas have red wolf in them, and Jeb is wild and independant. Has a mind of his own- likes it outside in the rain, LOL> I tried to dry him off with a towel one day and he let me know not to do that.- LOL. He was communacating, but someone else would say he was people aggressive at times like that.

If I died Gene would maybe have to shoot Jake- he's alot to handle. He is like a "just- so" horse- no mistakes allowed. You better read your dog right- and you 'd better be boss.

My first Catahoula was controled with bird shot in a 22. My second a shock collar ( obey or die? ) And then I learned to be a better horse /dog trainer; maybe. ...and these two I have now, just with love and obedience school. They sorta listen.

I sorta think about the shock collar sometimes. My dog is not listening? What would John Lyons do? Go back to a place of control- I could get the leash-

it worked. Softer yes answer- happy working dogs with high drive- I like that.

John says everytime you use pain to control a horse, you distroy a little bit of that "want to" attitude. I can see that now, but I could not before.

My Catahoula breeder from Oklahoma who has had this breed for 30 years working cattle and hogs said you get come with a shockcollar. Teach them "go" (work the stock,) and "come back; and that's it," he said. All a Catahoula ever needs to know is go to work, and quit working. LOL>

[mtnmollie]

This is my first Catahoula Jake. He got sick and died. I still cried 7 years after his death when people would mention his name. I got other dogs but not a Catahoula dog. They are too big a pain in the butt. :)

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=65&pictureid=462

[rums_mom]

Very neat dogs, Mollie. I had heard of them before but did not know that much about that. I did, however, know there is a Catahoula, LA, my husband wrote a song about Catahoula. Let me see if I can find a link for you...............that could be your theme song!

You must be a real mountain mamma, huh? Very cool............

We lost our Huskie/wolf/Malamute, Chimay, 5 years ago and I still cry when I see her pictures. She had that "independent" streak in her as well. But was a faithful and wonderful family dog and our family "protector". Never bit anyone, but she never had to, she was so intimidating. No doubt if she ever thought one of us was in danger she would have taken a bullet for us........she was *That* kind of dog.
She hated to be in the house and was an outside dog unless it got really really cold, she loved the cold and snow, it was her kind of weather. She also loved fresh fish, geese and whatever else she could catch. The last few years of her life in the country she lived mostly on her own wills and what fresh catch she could get...........not that we didn't feed her, but that was the wild in her.
So it was 5 years, Sept 11, we lost her. Until I saw Kabota, I didn't want another dog, I just couldn't bear to replace her, so going through all this with Kabota has really taken its toll on me. I have not been myself the past week. So I understand completely.

[Sundays Man]

Pretty dog. Bet he was a hand full. We have a 70 pound 8 month old Golden right now (Rudy) that is the most entertaining and fun dog I've ever had. Have to watch him 24/7 or he would chew the house down at his age. Also have a J russel/dachschund mix that gives him a run for his money when he is awake. He's getting older and doesn't play much. Sort of like Homey the Clown. Our pets leave a mark in our heart when they leave that's for sure.

LOVE the av Rums mom.:hysterical:

[rums_mom]

LOL...SundaysMan...you know Kabota had a penchant for upholstered furniture, right?

Totally tore up my old couch that was going to replace anyway but then went on to my "new" couch, my dining room chairs and the foot of my new bed.........;)
I still loved him though. He hasn't chewed up anything in quite a while, I hope it was just his "puppy" thing. Oh and you know those indistructible rope toys? Yeah, right:p The last one I got him lasted about an hour.

[Sundays Man]

LOL...SundaysMan...you know Kabota had a penchant for upholstered furniture, right?

Totally tore up my old couch that was going to replace anyway but then went on to my "new" couch, my dining room chairs and the foot of my new bed.........;)
I still loved him though. He hasn't chewed up anything in quite a while, I hope it was just his "puppy" thing. Oh and you know those indistructible rope toys? Yeah, right:p The last one I got him lasted about an hour.

I don't remember seeing, but is Kabota going to be all right? I know you must be nuts about all that. Sorry you had to go through that.

Yeah, Rudy is in that chewing stage. He is into everything! I've lost about 10 pair of socks to the Rudy disposal unit, t-shirts and anything he can get out of the dirty clothes when no one is looking, paper towels, towels, sticks, empty plastic bottles, etc. Come to think of it, nothing is safe from this knucklehead except his little stuffed toy palomino pony and a soft rubber sqeeky toy he has. For some reason, he doesn't destroy them. Thank goodness he hasn't discovered the furniture, YET. Ya won't to get mad at him, but all he has to do is cut those big browns up at ya and it's over. And you're right, no one told him some toys are indestructable, not even a challenge for him. It's hard to get him to sit still for a pic but here is one I grabbed while he was taking a breather from chasing the cat around the house.
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=28&pictureid=485

[rums_mom]

Oh my, how can you resist that face.........here is Kabota's update.
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113

[Sundays Man]

Oh my, how can you resist that face.........here is Kabota's update.
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113

It's good to know there are still good people out there besides you and me, right?LOL.

I'm glad he is found and will be on the mend. He has the cutest and most unusual face I have ever seen on a dog. He DOES have a racoon face. Too cute. I bet he's a real mess.

[mtnmollie]

Very neat dogs, Mollie. I had heard of them before but did not know that much about that. I did, however, know there is a Catahoula, LA, my husband wrote a song about Catahoula. Let me see if I can find a link for you...............that could be your theme song!



I wrote a somg about my Dog Blue- got it recorded too; but not on the net.
R/M- Wheres the link?
your post made me cry- really touched my heart.

SM cute pup. :cowboy:

[mtnmollie]

Hog hunting with Catahoulas

They put armor on them, like bullet proof vests. (Kadaver vests. spelling?)
If your dog lives through his first hog hunt- he may make a good hog dog.

They carry staple guns with them to put the dog back together in the field.

Mostly I learned this on hunting forums.

I am thinking of hog dog vests for my dogs, plus a staple gun- because of our wolf problem.

Some day I'm skeered to go fer a ride. I have to pump up my faith.

The faith I had when I went to live in the mountains alone for 4 years, knowing that God was by my side. If he be for us, then who can stand against us?

[mtnmollie]

When Jake was a pup- he went on his first trail ride up Weitas Creek. There was a big time gap between Blue and Jake. No dog could fill the hole in my heart but a Catahoula dog. I hated them because they are impossible- but I loved them too; because they are so wonderful. That's the way it was on Walt Disney's Old Yeller. I will have to go find the first paragraph from Fred Gidsens' Ole Yeller book. My Catahoulas have saved my bacon; protected my neck; and kept my horses by my side.

Horses; Amanda, Sandman- that buckskin in back left died of colic. Thats how I learned to never feed grass/clover- and alfalfa hay. Clover/ alfalfa is a killer mix.

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=65&pictureid=468

[mtnmollie]

There is a pict of Oakie (and Jeb) in the I Wonder thread on pg. 7. And I thought I did not have a good pict of him. LOL>

Oakie and Jeb flew in here (to Spokane) from Muskoigi Oklahoma when I lost Jake, at age 8 and Yeller at age 2 to guns. It was the last Delta pet flight into Spokane. I found these dogs in a little ad on the internet. Web site Catahoula dogs were $300.0 to $500.00 plus shipping. I got my two for $500.00 with shipping and some change back-LOL.

Plus they are the toughest- most high drive (work ethic) - Catahouls I have ever owned.
Almost too much dog for me- healthy and good - blood. wow. Its a gamble to buy dogs on the net; but God was with me.

After loosing more dogs in Idaho then anywhere I have lived; I always want them by myside or at home.

[mtnmollie]

Catahoula questions of the week -

"Hello! I am very interested in this breed of dog."

"I live in a rural area, on 22 acres - only 1/2 cleared, and am terrified of trailriding by myself, because of the bear and wolf problem in our area. Of course we also have deer, moose, coyote, cougar and bobcat - I live in *someplace* Canada. It seems, because morons like to feed the wildlife, that the wildlife are moving into our backyards and aren't afraid of humans anymore."

*This is a major problem. Look up cougar attacks on the net- and see how they grow.
The wolf- grizzly bear and the cougar problem- not afraid of man- city people dont know about yet. The man who died recently in Canada from a wolf attack was warned. But he did not believe.

Read Wild Journey by Game Warden Dave Bragonier fromWyoming. He says the Grizzly is not afraid of us anymore because of bear biologist handleing the bear.


"While reading your thread, I thought maybe your dog could be an answer to my problems? When I was young I used to trailride all the time with my 2 dogs, and I felt much safer having the 2 by my side."

"I do not want an aggressive dog. * Me either.* I would like a protective guard dog. *Me too.*

"I have been kind of lurking around looking for a possible second dog for protection, but nothing has caught my eye quite like your catahoula dogs."

*Thank you.*



Do you think this breed of dog would be suitable for me?

* It depends. You must be boss. Oakie says feed me- feed me- feed me. I say wait- he quits fussing and waits. In 5 minutes when I finished making coffee- I feed him. Jeb is not so demanding for breakfast. Oakie gets the apple pie off the table. I do not catch him red handed, however he looks guilty. No verbale rebuke- he just goes in ther dog cage for 3 days. If he is in my house- he is in the dog cage. Oakie looses his freedom and then chooses to behave. I rule without violence. If you rule- then you can have a Catahoula. *

Would they be too aggressive?

*Maybe Jeb is too dog- aggressive. This is not his fault-it is my fault when he had a terrifying experience at 6 months.

How are they in fenced-in areas? I am willing (actually I love) to hammer in some T-poles and wire to complete the fencing in of the cleared portion of my yard. (approx 12 acres free to roam).

* My Catahoulas stay in a 4 foot high fence, but some Cat's jump out.
Some live on chains. Jeb was on a chain on a wire- because he would dig out. *

Would they stick by my side during a trail ride? (see page 8 this thread )


"Also I *might* start a family in the near future, that wouldn't interfere with my time outside, but how are they with babies/children?"

*Catahoulas are very protective of their people. The rancher in Kamiah had house dogs, kids dog and the kennel mob- ten or 12 dogs in all. I got a great Catahoula from him- my yeller dog. *

"Any other info?"

* I looked on the net to find out how to manage my catahoulas and very little is there. *
Amazon has many postive dog training books. Leerburg .com has a D board for police dogs. Very good info there. Koehler Method of dog training is an old book about be tough training. Leerburg says it is out of date but has good stuff. You must be tough and tender with a Catahoula dog.

"I am very excited about catahoula dogs! Thanks!"

* Your welcome. My reply goes in this *star thingy.* :cowboy:

[Gypsy Rose]

Wow! I just read through this entire thread- should have been following it from the beginning!

So now I get to learn something about Catahoula dogs. Neat. Never realized "Old Yeller" was one. Loved that movie and book, too!

[mtnmollie]

Hi Gypsy Rose! Glad you liked my story.

But yer poem was so much better.
Anybody can tell a story-
but not everybody can write poems-
which are (or can become) songs.

...and songs make the heart sing.

[Aina]

I met one once. She was sweet but hyper. She had very striking blue eyes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/Astievia/000_0388-1.jpg

[Gypsy Rose]

mtnmollie- your stories are special! They really should be saved for others to read.

[mtnmollie]

Thank you Gypsy Rose. My hearts dream is to get published.

[mtnmollie]

Note to Mollie I have not finished that one post on Cat questions _

he he I made everything small-oops-

"...and am terrified of trail riding by myself, because of the bear and wolf problem in our area. "

Me too. Only I am not afraid of the grizzly bear. I am not afraid of bigfoot yet- because I have not seen him. But I am afraid of the big bad wolf.

One day 3 wolf pups about 8 - 10 months were in my horse pasture. I ran towards them screaming- because all good city people know wild animals always flee from man. But country people know this a myth. I learned it was a myth that day , as I got closer- and closer- and had no gun- and had no stick- and they did not run! Oh no! Now what do I do?

to be continued.

[Gypsy Rose]

Yikes! Scary! Be checking in the morning for more!

[NJrider]

One of my friends has a catahoula/american bull dog mix. He's the most stunning dog I've even seen. He was found wandering the streets of NYC. Unfortunately he must have had a pretty cr@ppy life prior to them adopting him, he has severe SA and some other issues. But they are wonderful with him and working through everything.


(I took the pic off cause I realized it's not really my picture to show off!)

[mtnmollie]

What is SA.? He is purdy.

My Colorado horseshoer was from Okla and I asked him, "How do they manage Catahoulas?"

They shoot them with a gun. One Catahoula was working cows and he got shot - and he went home ot the barn and died. My Colorado preacher shot at mine- when he was working cows.
Mine then came back and listened to the preacher man.

Jack the neighbor took a horsewhip to his. ouch.

One Kamiah Catahoula would not listen, so he just got shot dead.

Perhaps America's most abused breed?

Every Catahoula I have owned has a tender heart- even the strong willed ones.

John Lyons taught me not to start with your goal in training, (which may be come?) but to train in steps. Start with a place of control- and every correction has an affect on the willing want - to attitude.

So try to guide at every step- and not correct.
Put the dog in a place where he will obey; his choice.

[NJrider]

Oops sorry it's separation anxiety. He is a very sweet dog but you can see the poor guy's been through a lot.

[mtnmollie]

They love their people. Yes I see his eyes. Poor guy.

[mtnmollie]

One of my friends has a catahoula/american bull dog mix. He's the most stunning dog I've even seen. He was found wandering the streets of NYC. Unfortunately he must have had a pretty cr@ppy life prior to them adopting him, he has severe SA and some other issues. But they are wonderful with him and working through everything.


(I took the pic off cause I realized it's not really my picture to show off!)

Oh put it back! Please! Purdy please?

[mtnmollie]

One day 3 wolf pups about 8 - 10 months were in my horse pasture. I ran towards them screaming- because all good city people know wild animals always flee from man. But country people know this a myth. I learned it was a myth that day , as I got closer- and closer- and had no gun- and had no stick- and they did not run! Oh no! Now what do I do?


I wuz skeered.

All of a sudden from out of no where came two rockets! My Catahoula dogs, Wolf pups and all run into the woods. I figured my dogs would never come back- for perhaps they would be bushwhacked. Coyotes lure pups away and kill them. Wolves are just bigger coyotes. But my dogs came back, and all was well with the world.

Catahoula's dont always live through wolf encounters. A wyoming rancher has a pict of his Catahoula in a grave- up on a hill. He put it on his web page. A part of his heart is burried there.

[NJrider]

I don't know if I should. After I posted it I realized since he's a rescue... they're paranoid that someone will see his pic and claim him as their own. They've only had him since May. They got him through the ASPCA but are still afraid someone will pop out of the woodwork. And with a dog that unusual looking I could see why :(

[mtnmollie]

Oh- ok. Makes sence. :cowboy:

[Gypsy Rose]

Sounds like Catahoula dogs are handy to have around!

[mtnmollie]

Gene and I went riding last spring. We had a wolf encounter. It was no big deal- but could have been a close call with terror.

to be continued...

note to mollie remember p 4 questions

[Gypsy Rose]

i'll know to check in here in the morning!

[mtnmollie]

One of my favorite spring rides is a two hour loop ride about 15- 20 minute drive from my house. Lolo Canyon is lovely in the spring. Tralver -Lolo Canyon- spring2007

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/mtnmollie/IMG_2092.jpg

[mtnmollie]

...a good place to refreash the soul.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/mtnmollie/IMG_2087.jpg

[mtnmollie]

I was going to go on Saturday, but Gene said, I will go with you on sunday, so that's what we did. Good thing too.

...to be continued.

[Gypsy Rose]

How peaceful it looks there! I imagine you could ride for hours without seeing anyone.

[mtnmollie]

Yup. That's Idaho. Ride for hours and days even and no- body there but you. :cowboy:

[Gypsy Rose]

That would be awesome. Though I imagine there are risks to that, too.

[mtnmollie]

When trails are primitive, they are limited.

When they are improved- so does traffic.

Come to Idaho, the home of primitive trails- one of our greatest values.
along with our wild places...
our primitive trails keep our wild places wild. :cowboy:

[Gypsy Rose]

Lets hope they contimue to stay that way- someday, I would like to visit.

[mtnmollie]

Ya, all come. :cowboy:

[carla]

Okay I'm sorry if I"m dragging up an old question but I don't have time to read every reply (got to page 5, though!)

Is/have any of your Catahoula's been deaf? When I used to search petfinder a lot, the "deaf paws" rescue near me would always have quite a few CLDs.. any link? It can't just have been a coincidence!?

[mtnmollie]

None of mine are deaf. Dont cross blue meryle to blue meryle.

My first had epelipsy though.

[mtnmollie]

I was going to go on Saturday, but Gene said, I will go with you on Sunday, so that's what we did. Good thing too.

...to be continued.

Everything was cool. Unload horse ride about 30 min to the gate. It is closed, but it is useally open untill cows graze. I open the gate, close it again, then we see the wolf kill.

Eight to 12 wolves killed a deer just yesterday. Wow. Glad I wasnt here yesterday.
Off we ride in our big circle and we come back- Oakie in front- Jeb in back- but Oakie come running to us with the hair up on his back. The wolves are still in the woods by the kill. Maybe they see us and maybe not.

I never know when I am going to run into a wolf in Idaho.

But what if I'd a rode Saturday alone?
And what if I'd a come upon the fresh kill then?

[Gypsy Rose]

Yikes! Get the blazes outta there- I would anyway! Unless I got too curious for my own good, that is, lol!

[mtnmollie]

Yes that right. WE took Jon Yearout out there and he said- all I see is death everywhere.

Being from the city I could not see what he see'd. So I asked him to explain.

The bones from the dead deer...
bones are everywhere...

[Gypsy Rose]

So what did he say?

[mtnmollie]

Jon said all he saw was (the bones of) death, (from wolf kills.)

back to spring ride 2007-

But what if I'd a rode Saturday alone?
And what if I'd a come upon the fresh kill then?

So I says to hubby Gene, lets say you rode here Saturday alone. You get through the gate- shut the gate, and the get into a wolf encounter from 8- 12 wolves at at fresh kill.

Gene says both dogs are engaged in a fight and probablly dead.

I said your horse ran off and left you afoot.

Gene said - I start shooting my gun untill i quit and then, go for a hike and try and track my horse.

That would be one bloody day.

I rode with the Nez Perce in 2008, (3 days) one spring ride with Gene, (1 day) and other than that- I stayed home.

[mtnmollie]

Next- How do you keep a Catahoula by your side?

from a question on page 4.
"Would they stick by my side during a trail ride? "

[mtnmollie]

and then after that...

Would they be too aggressive?

*Maybe Jeb is too dog- aggressive. This is not his fault-it is my fault when he had a terrifying experience at 6 months. more here

And then I will be caught up with the page 4 questions. :cowboy:

Thank you for your intrest.

[Gypsy Rose]

What terrifying experience did Jeb have?

[mtnmollie]

yes, I'm getting to that...

its on my to do list. :cowboy:

[mtnmollie]

Jeb has a scary Search and Rescue story to tell...

but mean time

central Idaho is hard on dogs- espically hunting dogs..

http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/07/24/61655.aspx

[Gypsy Rose]

Yikes- scary!

What would you say if I told you that one of our small animal vets went back east to do a study on wolves, and their effects on Yellowstone National Park?

[mtnmollie]

Yikes- scary!

What would you say if I told you that one of our small animal vets went back east to do a study on wolves, and their effects on Yellowstone National Park?

He went back east to study yellowstone wolves?

What did he find?

[Gypsy Rose]

Actually, it's she. It's a long, ongoing study- has to do with whether the wolves should be taken off the protected list, and their impact on Yellowstoone. It's a big group of veterinarians doing this study. I've been meaning to ask the vet clinic if anyone's heard from her lately- I should do that.

[mtnmollie]

Idaho wolves are not endangered- they are "non- essiential expermental."

But in reality Idaho wolves are threatened-
because they (Feds) brought in larger -bigger pack wolves from Canada.

Idaho wolves are smaller and lone wolf types-

Big wolves kill small wolves-

They brought Canadian wolves to Yellowstone too.

Idaho has a larger wolf population than Montana and Wyoming combined.

Outfitters say they are really hurting our elk herds and hunting.

[Gypsy Rose]

We should esally start another thread about this- the Canada wolves imported to Yellowstone are the ones I'm talking about.

[mtnmollie]

Will the Catahoula stay by my side?


Well Blue would not- my first Catahoula. He would run all over the countryside- just like you'd expect a hound dog would. I did not really know how to manage him, or what to do.

Next Cat was Jake- then Yellar- then Oakie and Jeb.
All of them stay by my side.

So the answer is yes, and no. I will tell you what I learned
about soft and hard boss management.

For you must be the boss- if you own a Catahoula dog.

[mandisue]

Catahoulas are in the same catagory as the curs, or along the same line at least.
There are also catahoula curs.

[mtnmollie]

I had a yellow cur dog I got from my neighbor Jack. Jack was a white Indian man.
He was lost with no people. He was given up for an orphan when he was young and he did not know his tribe, but Indian ways was in his blood. My cur dog was more wild than my Catahoulas. My cur dog would get people shy if he was left outside too long.

Hubby Gene and I had a battle about house dogs when I got married.

Dogs belong in the house with their people? Right?

I thought everyone knew that - LOL.

[mandisue]

We've had quite a few curs that were a bit shy, fine with us but other people were a different story. And we even get ours out every evening and play with them in the yard, they used to stay in the house with us. I don't know how these hound people and cur people do it that keep 'em locked up in a kennel constantly and only out to hunt. No wonder the hounds don't listen. Lol. We have two treeing walker hounds and so far both listen pretty well.

[mtnmollie]

"that keep 'em locked up in a kennel constantly "

I can't imagine doing that to my dogs, but some people do.

Tell me more about your curs. :cowboy:

[mandisue]

Tell me more about your curs. :cowboy:


Well curs are different from Hounds in that they hunt FOR YOU , not you hunt for THEM.
They circle around and check in while hunting and don't go NEAR as far as hounds ( most of the time )

Sorry you probably know what a cur is....

Anyhoo our curs..................we have Lily who is a year old Female, Black and white ( thread in Pets) mainly squirrel bred, but she does well on coon. she is from

www.mountainstatekennels.com and weighs in at 40lbs.

Then we have Ringo, Black and White/brindle male who is 6 months old and 55lbs already, he's a bit above average for size......his dad is called "Grizz' for a reason....:eek:

Both of our curs, all of our dogs in fact are awesome with our kids, you can jump on 'em and they wouldn't move. And Ringo is loose all the time and hasn't tried to run off.
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Then we have two treeing walker hounds, but they haven't came on with coons yet.

[mtnmollie]

I am not in cur and catahoula land- so no I don't know much. :)

"Well curs are different from Hounds... "

At my Search and Rescue team dog class they told me I had hounds-
I thought you don't know my dogs at all.

Some on the i-net call them catahoula hounds-

Well curs are different from Hounds in that they hunt FOR YOU , not you hunt for THEM.

What?

They circle around and check in while hunting and don't go NEAR as far as hounds ( most of the time )

Cur dogs and catahoula dogs- They circle and gather game and cows and hogs;
but - Hounds chase and tree?

Jacks cur dogs gathered some elk in their circle.
Jack also said some cur dogs gathered range cows to the
holding pens all by themselves. (The men got to stay at the corrals.)

These were wild cattle no man could gather off the forest range in Wyoming.

Curs and catahoulas also work stock in teams.
And they are not command dogs, (like the border collie) they just go do their job.

[mandisue]

Curs tree squirrel, coon, cougar, bear, cat etc. But they circle hunt that way they're checking in while going out. They tree and bark etc. Most curs are silent on track and bark at the tree.

[mtnmollie]

Curs tree squirrel, coon, cougar, bear, cat etc. But they circle hunt that way they're checking in while going out. They tree and bark etc. Most curs are silent on track and bark at the tree.

How does a dog tree a coon, check in, and circle?

Please explain. :cowboy:

[mandisue]

Lol, well while they're hunting they circle around you every so often, mostly just flying past you, but enough so they know where you are. When they do pick up the scent they follow it til they get to the tree with the game, then bark until you get there so you know where they're at.

[Gypsy Rose]

Curs tree squirrel, coon, cougar, bear, cat etc. But they circle hunt that way they're checking in while going out. They tree and bark etc. Most curs are silent on track and bark at the tree.

I love reading about the dogs, however, I won't own one anymore. Much as I love them, I had to make a choice- dogs or my critters. The critters won, lol!

[mtnmollie]

Lol, well while they're hunting they circle around you every so often, mostly just flying past you, but enough so they know where you are. When they do pick up the scent they follow it til they get to the tree with the game, then bark until you get there so you know where they're at.

My dogs fly past me quite a bit- LOL.

Hi mom- there you are- but I gotta run. :)

They keep my space critter free when I ride-
as they circle everywhere at once.

Then they get tired an one falls behind the horses, the other leads.

I did not know they were bred to do that but it keeps turkeys and critters from boogering my horses.

[Gypsy Rose]

He,he! I have to admit that dogs are good to have with horses- though my cats get along with Gypsy fine.

I just don't visualize taking one of them with me on a trail ride, though, lol!

[mtnmollie]

Next- How do you keep a Catahoula by your side?

from a question on page 4.
"Would they stick by my side during a trail ride? "

Blue ran off. I asked my horseshoer from Okalahoma how do Catahoula people manage their dogs?

He told me they shoot them with a gun. So I got bird shot and my twenty - two and one day I actually hit Blue in the butt. He wolud ever after that listen to me only thing was I had to have my gun.

Catahoulas are too smart.

Jake got the shock collar treatment- one time on high.
He would never leave the house or yard after that.

If I wanted him to go ride with me, I had to trailer my horse somewhere.

Later I learned on Leerburg police dog forum that the shock collar can be used on low and dialed up- if you get one with the dial. This way your dog can get just the right ammount of pressure.

My last two Catahoulas I trained without a gun or shock collar. I was getting smarter dogs, or maybe I was learning how to gain control softly.

to be continued...

[Gypsy Rose]

The old ways transition into the new...

[Sparrk]

He,he! I have to admit that dogs are good to have with horses- though my cats get along with Gypsy fine.

I just don't visualize taking one of them with me on a trail ride, though, lol!

I used to trailride everyday with my 2 dogs - a doberman, and a shepard cross. They stayed close by and I felt safe while riding with them.

However the dog i have now I think would be more of a problem to try to take along.

[mtnmollie]

Ond day I was riding on Boundary ridge- and I herd a bird in the brush- surrounding me.
Several birds. Wierd.

Gene said it was a cougar and her kittens stalking me.

When I got to camp no dogs- they came in later.
I guess they tree-ed some cats?

[Sparrk]

mtnmollie I contacted a breeder!

I'm still not 100% sure I need a puppy anytime soon. I have so much on my plate already but your stories about this breed are tempting me! I already pm'ed you about the problem around here, and I'm seriously contemplating it.

Thank you!

[mtnmollie]

I got my two dogs out of Bay Dog online I think.

They have a classified section for Catahoulas, Plotts, Curs, and other breeds.
Mine were half the price of Cat's on the net with a webpage.

Also there are some great dogs at Catahoula Rescue on line.
They have pups too sometimes.

Problems to look for are deaf, eye problems and too much white on the dog.

I wish I knew more but I just pray and do my best.

I found some for sale on a hog dog (hunting) forum once.

I never have typed in cowdog forum in my search engine.

American Catahoula Leopard dog Asso had a web site-

happy hunting for a good dog.

[mtnmollie]

The Catahola Rescue has transpoort volenteer drivers and they drive to Canada.
cool! Hughn?

I'm not sure how it all works- I had to have mine flown in from the breeder in Oklahoma.

[Sparrk]

I found a breeder in my province....all her dogs and pups are registered. She seems nice so far. She also has horses and said all her dogs must go to indoor homes.

She seems great.

[mtnmollie]

Wow! That's great! Happy dance! :cowboy:

[mandisue]

You can also find curs and catahoulas for sale on www.squirreldog.net sqdog.com and www.kemmerhaters.com

Hubs gets on these forums. look under the classifieds.

[mtnmollie]

Thanks Mandisue! :cowboy: