Time for a change?

[Joey A]

I didn't know that "ebonics" was in Obamas platform? But it's slowly starting to work its way into the system.

http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2071&stc=1&d=1233523149

[peace_baby]

Haha! That's priceless.

[cheval]

Oh my!

(btw - do you have a Huey update? Where is he at on his booking calendar? Lot of ladies lined up??)

[Joey A]

Well, he got shod today. That's about all the more of an update I have.
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2072&stc=1&d=1233523684

[cheval]

Damn - that's a thick shoe! I've never seen one like that - very cool!

[Joey A]

Yeah, it's a little overkill. I made those by hand, and I think the next pair will be a little thinner. Those are 1-1/4" and next time I'm using 1"

[missdixie]

I like you alot, but I think that's in pretty racial and in poor taste, Walkin Fool.

[Joey A]

I think what they did is insulting. If the manager of the restaurant approves of such a low class action, then I think he should be willing to accept the repercussions. It's not my fault that the manager (and half the employees) happen to be black.

MLK said: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character"

Reguardless of how you want to look at it, the content of character is lacking.

[missdixie]

You're right, that is offensive that the restaurant did that, but you shouldn't be making it an Obama thing.

[Horseaholic]

Am I missing where this picture states that the manager and half of the staff is black? I see PLENTY of signs like this where people can't spell...

[Joey A]

You're right, that is offensive that the restaurant did that, but you shouldn't be making it an Obama thing.

I said it's insulting, not offensive, there's a noted difference. I didn't say anyone was or should be offended.

Now please explain how the term "ebonics" is offensive?

Here's the wiki on the subject...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics

You will have noted that there is no reference to it being derrogotory or otherwise, but as a means of recognizing ones linguistic heritage. Would Obama in fact be exempt from that heritage? Why?

[Equine_Woman]

What does that have to do with Obama?

[missdixie]

I think you are really stretching it, WF. Trying to explain it away is not doing it for me. It may not bother you, but I think it was a racially biased stab at the President that was uncalled for.

[Equine_Woman]

I think you are really stretching it, WF. Trying to explain it away is not doing it for me. It may not bother you, but I think it was a racially biased stab at the President that was uncalled for.

And I'm afraid to say that's the way I see it too.

[cheval]

Restaurants do that a lot (spelling - never have known if it was for comic effect or something else) - are they doing it as a racial stab toward the president? It's been done long before O came into the picture.

[missdixie]

That is true Cheval, I have seen stuff like that before. I'm sure they think it's funny but it is really in poor taste. I just don't see what it has to do with Barack Obama and I thought it was equally distasteful to bring him into it. I'd say he his much above that.

[cheval]

I think you'll see a lot more of it specifically because he is President now. Whether people are trying to be funny about it or not. It's not a big deal. No different than cracker white joke references.

[missdixie]

So you assume that McDonalds spelled their sign that way specifically because we have a black president? That's a stretch.
ETA: I think I should point out that I am more offended at the OP's reference to Barack Obama having an ebonics platform than the actual sign itself, which, though stupid, is probably just some doofus thinking he is cool and doubtfully aimed at out president.

[Joey A]

I don't expect everything I say to be taken well. I'm not biased, and everyone will get a good ribbing. It's kinda like "he who has commited no sin" if you've never used the words "white trash," "redneck," "cracker," etc, then you might have a right to take that stance. Otherwise, to exlcude one over another, is in itself, racist.

And none of it "actually" has anything to do with anything, but feel free to give it as much weight as you care to, and get offended as you like. That's your perogative.

[Joey A]

ETA: I think I should point out that I am more offended at the OP's reference to Barack Obama having an ebonics platform than the actual sign itself, which, though stupid, is probably just some doofus thinking he is cool and doubtfully aimed at out president.

I personally think that you are overly butt hurt due to your "Obama Superfan" status, and consequently blowing it out of proportion. I would expect you to get more offended than the next person.

[Equine_Woman]

I personally think that you are overly butt hurt due to your "Obama Superfan" status, and consequently blowing it out of proportion. I would expect you to get more offended than the next person.

How elegantly stated. I would say more but it would be lost in translation.

[peace_baby]

Wow..
Talk about blowing something out of proportion.
I really don't think WF meant anything by it..

[missdixie]

Really mature Walkin Fool. You may think I am "overly butthurt" because I happen to like Barack Obama... whatever you need to say to help you justify an obviously racially slanted comment... be my guest, because clearly my point is going right over your head. I would have expected you to have a little more class but clearly I grossly overestimated your self proclaimed "unbiasedness". I'm going to take my hurting butt outta this thread before I say something I will regret.

[WashingtonBay]

Obama's on top of the world, and I think he and most other people realize he's black. I wonder when we can stop being really nervous about noting any cultural or linguistic points of interest about race? If a person of Norwegian descent were just elected president would someone posting a "now serving Lutefisk" sign be insulting to the president? ;)

I just long for the day when the idea of race didn't make everyone so dang twitchy. THEN we will have arrived at equality.

And I suppose I should move this to the politics section since it looks like we're in for a debate about it. :D

[Equine_Woman]

I think the problem here is that Walkin Fool doesn't view Ebonics as just a form of language, and is using it as an insult. "Reguardless (s.i.c.) of how you want to look at it, the content of character is lacking." is what he stated about the whole sign, then tried to say that the word Ebonics wasn't offensive. "Now please explain how the term "ebonics" is offensive?" End quote. If he doesn't view Ebonics as offensive and this wasn't a racist comment, with a stab at the president and all Black people, then what was the point of the post? Cause I somehow missed it.

[WashingtonBay]

I'm a little unclear too, on how WF feels about the sign and whether it was funny or insulting. I dunno... maybe it can be both. And I think "butt-hurt" is probably a description we don't want to encourage on this forum, WF :nono:. But regardless, I wonder if there is a positive avenue for discussion that can be found in here somewhere or if it's a hopeless cause...

[JackieB]

I wonder when we have to stop being really nervous about noting any cultural or linguistic points of interest about that?

I don't think this is really about noting a cultural or linguistic point of interest, WB. There's certainly nothing wrong with ebonics (as WF pointed out), but WF wasn't simply commenting on ebonics and a restaurant sign. He was making a connection to the sign and the President's political platform. I find it hard to believe that WF is unaware of the fact that ebonics is a highly charged, and racially divisive, topic when considered from a political point of view.

[mare]

When I saw the sign, I thought it was closer to being a reference to poor education given to students regardless of color. I thought of the band "limp bizkit" and how that may well be where kids or even a young manager saw any reference to biscuits. Or maybe it was an intentional pop correlation.

I guess, even being from Wyo, I have traveled and worked in enough diverse places to know that eubonics is not limited by race. Those who think it is don't get out enough, IMO.

I have a picture of a sign a teacher relative sent from a fast food restaurant that is just horrid in its grammatical errors. She is ashamed that the workers are most likely a product of her district. Maybe that influenced my impression.

[WashingtonBay]

I don't think this is really about noting a cultural or linguistic point of interest, WB. There's certainly nothing wrong with ebonics (as WF pointed out), but WF wasn't simply commenting on ebonics and a restaurant sign. He was making a connection to the sign and the President's political platform. I find it hard to believe that WF is unaware of the fact that ebonics is a highly charged, and racially divisive, topic when considered from a political point of view.

I won't deny that I might be missing a lot of the finer issues here... for starters, I didn't realize bizkitz was an ebonics 'thing'. I've learned that here. My impression of the sign would have been that it was just an intentional miss-spelling to be cute.

[mtnmollie]

I was sure that said blitz- krieg. :cool:

I dont see too good. :p

[elevenelevenxo]

Wait...........

















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:eek:








Obama's black???

Jesus people, it was a touch of humor...come on now. :p

[JackieB]

I won't deny that I might be missing a lot of the finer issues here... for starters, I didn't realize bizkitz was an ebonics 'thing'. I've learned that here. My impression of the sign would have been that it was just an intentional miss-spelling to be cute.

I wouldn't have known any different, either. And I also wouldn't have thought much about the restaurant sign.

But, anyone interested and aware of politics at the national level recalls some of the fierce debates regarding whether or not Ebonics should be recognized as an official language in schools. And of course, race and ethnicity were prominent in the debate since Ebonics was presented as a uniquely African American language.

[luckydoublesranch]

Uhhhhh....what's "butt-hurt" anyway?? :huh:

[cheval]

I personally think that you are overly butt hurt due to your "Obama Superfan" status, and consequently blowing it out of proportion. I would expect you to get more offended than the next person.


Exactly. This.

I think you're gonna see a lot of things your not going to like now that we have a black president. And it's not going to be any different than having a dufus white president.

[rocknK]

I thought "butthurt" was what you got when you got bucked off.......frankly, this was mild even if it was pointed towards the Prez, some of the "jokes' I've heard directed at George W have been downright rude. Political "humor" has been around forever, best way to handle it is to develop a thicker skin & try to keep from getting your underwear all knotted up.

[twofingers]

does anyone actually know anybody who actually speaks ebonics? anyone?

[FoxFireEMT]

who's got their big girl panties on??

IMO, Ebonics is an uneducated language & I've seen & heard many poeple of MANY colors speak it. I think the sign IMO was a stab at culture & "fitting" in with the current times. I mean look at dunkin dounuts. "America Runs on Dunkin", Have a KAN do Attitude! All slogans i have seen in bumber stickers that Dunkin dounts are handing out. I'll get pictures if you wish. That being said, I don't really think it was a matter of mis spelling or ebonics. Just my opinion! However I feel that ebonics is very uneducated way of speaking.

[WashingtonBay]

does anyone actually know anybody who actually speaks ebonics? anyone?

Ebonics? I'm not sure, but June Cleaver speaks Jive :D

YouTube - Airplane! - "Oh stewardess, I speak jive"

[twofingers]

LOL! WB.
And foxfire I agree with you. It is part of the dumbing down and making it easier for Public school teachers to not teach. they can scream look they ["ebonitions"] are a different culture they don't speak English nor do they spell the same way, we don't want to offend them so we will just let them stay stupid. Do not misunderstand, I have great respect for small town educators, but in our larger cities the children are not being taught, they are being brainwashed.

[mare]

Yes. I met many people who speak eubonics. Of several races. It may have started several years ago as a way to 'tag' ones self as being from a particular geographical or cultural place, but quickly grew. Actually, it has been around for a lonnnnnng time. But pop culture expanded awareness.

[zoel_222]

:yawn:

[mtnmollie]

does anyone actually know anybody who actually speaks ebonics? anyone?

Uncle Remus and Brear Rabbit?

Sezhe he sezhe. :p

I gave my Uncle Remus book to a cousin. I thought it was not politically correct to talk in slave- talk no more. :eek:

Therefore current Uncle Remus books made the dielect proper English.

Perhaps Uncle Remus is dead now, but I ken remember him sorta.

[mtnmollie]

Will James mis spelled words, spoke with a cowboy dialect and put you right in the center of his story.

I know Will James is dead now.

However I argued in school about putting improper slang into a story that fit the character.
Gang rap probablly would not fit a cowboy.

Perhaps this sign fits the town it it in?
...or the level of education in our schools today?

My high school seniors in English could not write a sentence nor a paragraph.
( Its not my fault- I was subbing for the real teacher. )

By the time I was done with them they could write an essay.

Not bad for a dislexic history teacher- LOL.

* I notice on d boards I get in a hurry and write as poorly as they did. LOL> *

[Sundays Man]

Uhhhhh....what's "butt-hurt" anyway?? :huh:

yeuh, thadz whut eyem taukin bout? Whut duz thaut meen?

As an after thought, I have had to literally laugh out loud at some of the signs I see in the yards and along the road side that some of my "redneck" brothers have produced. I wish I could remember some of the funnier ones. Point is, you could see some of those same signs along the roads in Texas, but that doesn't make my hero George W. one of them. However, those people making the funny signs are a part of this great country and their vote counts. I'm not defending Obama, Lord knows I have serious issues with some things going on. We just need to stop taking ourselves so danged serious. It seems that it;s to the point no one can take a joke anymore because of lack of sense of humor, thin skin and taking ourselves too seriously. I mean come on, no one else takes us that serious.

[Vibe]

yeuh, thadz whut eyem taukin bout? Whut duz thaut meen?

:p Good one. But don't let WF see that or he will go all KKK on you.

Tch. Can't we all get over race. I thought this was 2009..:rolleyes:

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

[...]
Tch. Can't we all get over race. I thought this was 2009..:rolleyes:

That's because 2008 was all about race.

It's been a huge setback, IMHO.

[Vibe]

That's because 2008 was all about race.

It's been a huge setback, IMHO.

Your probably right, but I hoped Obama would prove something. And we could all just get along.:rolleyes: I was wrong.

[Kaitlyn]

Your probably right, but I hoped Obama would prove something. And we could all just get along.:rolleyes: I was wrong.


Oh dear, we will never ''all just get along'' how most of us wish it would be true, I personally think having Obama as president is dividing us still. No matter what one says it will ALWAYS offend another, in any way.

[WashingtonBay]

Obama has proven something. He really has. Now the rest of us need to catch up and treat him like anyone else. Because the real culprit that limits most of us new age folk is not racism, it's paranoia about racism.

It's when we stop feeling really nervous and defensive about it that we will have won it over... When we can be as fair or unfair about race as we are about any other human characteristic.

[Sundays Man]

Oh dear, we will never ''all just get along'' how most of us wish it would be true, I personally think having Obama as president is dividing us still. No matter what one says it will ALWAYS offend another, in any way.

What divides us is our own inability to give to others what we ourselves demand from others.

[Tatesgram]

What divides us is our own inability to give to others what we ourselves demand from others.


What about laughing at ourselves? Finding humor in being human and all our inequities, regardless of color, gender or religion.

Do you not laugh at comedians of other races if they make an ethnic joke? I do, just like I laugh at jokes about the Irish, or Native Americans, or about wives and husbands. It is good to find humor in our lives.

[Sundays Man]

What about laughing at ourselves? Finding humor in being human and all our inequities, regardless of color, gender or religion.

Do you not laugh at comedians of other races if they make an ethnic joke? I do, just like I laugh at jokes about the Irish, or Native Americans, or about wives and husbands. It is good to find humor in our lives.

Oh I agree. But grace isn't something in abundant supply these days except from our Creator. I'm with you, we might as well laugh at "ourselves", everyone else does.:)

[Tatesgram]

we might as well laugh at "ourselves", everyone else does.:)

I'm a constant source of amusement, to coworkers, family and myself. ;)

But as someone else said, WB I think, people have such thin skins now days and everybody gets offended, by everything. No wonder people are getting so standoffish. Afraid they'll get sued for offending someone. :mad:

[cheval]

What about laughing at ourselves? Finding humor in being human and all our inequities, regardless of color, gender or religion.

Do you not laugh at comedians of other races if they make an ethnic joke? I do, just like I laugh at jokes about the Irish, or Native Americans, or about wives and husbands. It is good to find humor in our lives.


We all do. Whites laugh at black jokes and blacks laugh at hispanic and on an on. It's not and shouldn't all the sudden stop now that we have a black president.

We've had numerous smart challenged pres and vice president's. Not many balked at that.

[Sundays Man]

I'm a constant source of amusement, to coworkers, family and myself. ;)

But as someone else said, WB I think, people have such thin skins now days and everybody gets offended, by everything. No wonder people are getting so standoffish. Afraid they'll get sued for offending someone. :mad:

That's what I mean when I say people take themselves too seriously these days. Life can be fun but many are too busy defending themselves and those they believe in against imagined attacks to enjoy it. I firmly believe that everyone has a right to believe like I do or not. That's the beauty of it. It seems like today, if you don't believe like some do, you're tagged as crazy, racist, left or right wing loon, unAmerican, and on and on. I believe what I believe and others believe what they believe and that's fine...no, that's America. I like to get in there and mix it up with the best of 'em, but all the while, I'm laughing inside because I know how futile and pointless it is. I'm thinking that 30 days from now none of us will even think about this thread, ya know?

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Obama has proven something. He really has. Now the rest of us need to catch up and treat him like anyone else. [...]

OK... So a Priest, a Rabbi, and Barack Obama walk into a bar...

And the bartender says... "What is this? Some kind of joke?"

{rimshot}

:doh:

[Tatesgram]

OK... So a Priest, a Rabbi, and Barack Obama walk into a bar...

And the bartender says... "What is this? Some kind of joke?"

{rimshot}

:doh:


:funnypost:

[Tatesgram]

That's what I mean when I say people take themselves too seriously these days. Life can be fun ...


See, great minds think alike:rolleyes: