Weird

[livaward]

I was just called and offered a grulla 3 year old mare for free as long as I can get an abscessed tooth pulled.....

How much does it cost to have a toothed pulled?

[missyfritz]

huh, strange coincidence.

[Vegashorselady]

That's interesting. My vet charged 300 a few years ago to do a float, pull an abscessed tooth and clean a sheath, lol. So, I can't imagine it would cost much more than 300.

[livaward]

hmmmmmm

I am going to call me vet tomorrow and ask......

[Whitedresswind]

do you know the person who called you? lol

[livaward]

nope.....she got my number from a good friend of mine.......

[Whitedresswind]

interesting. So are you looking for another horse? any pictures or info?

[vicklynn]

Im thinking a contract should be made, horse is YOURS no matter what. I cant imagine, but sure some people would say hey I need some work done, offer it for free, the work is done, and they take it back.

[livaward]

no not looking for another horse and I didin't get any pics she is suppose to e-mail more info and pics

[livaward]

Im thinking a contract should be made, horse is YOURS no matter what. I cant imagine, but sure some people would say hey I need some work done, offer it for free, the work is done, and they take it back.

Oh defiantly.

[42many]

Never any such thing as a free horse :D Abscesses are fairly cheap I'm pretty sure, though.

[FatSpottedAppy]

How neat. You'll definitely have to keep us updated.

[Equine_Woman]

My free horse ended up doubling my feed bill. He eats twice what all my other horses eat combined. He is TOTALLY worth it though. Keep us posted.

[Steelhorserider]

What a strange occurrence--to have someone call you out of the blue and offer you a horse if take of an abcess! Please post the pictures when you get them and let us know what happens.

[Pi and Tofu]

It depends where the abscess is. Mine was far back and needed full surgery-through the cheek. I still have all the bills, but without looking, the surgery was just under $1000, day care since he needed to stay the day before and the day after at the hospital, was apx $150, drugs, I remember the antibiotics but do not remember the other, were apx $100. They wanted him stalled for a week (which could not be done, that is why the antibiotics were extended) and I gave him a full month off of riding. To this day he still fusses when the caveson is tightened (and I have to leave it pretty loose). Giving the drugs twice a day was a lot of fun too (crushing pills and trying to syringe them into his mouth without him knocking me out).

There were also charges for transportation to the hospital (2 hours back and forth) and for the vet care before which was the most expensive part-but I don't think that those charges would be pertinent to you.

All in all, it cost over $2500 for a "simple" abscess.

[vicklynn]

My free horse ended up doubling my feed bill. He eats twice what all my other horses eat combined. He is TOTALLY worth it though. Keep us posted.
I hear you EW, I love my free horse, and all the bills that came with him.

[HoustonFarrier]

You're looking at anywhere from 1K to 3K, depending on what needs done. It makes a big difference whether it's a top or bottom, and whether it's front or back.

We just had a clients Clyde mare tooth extraction run $3500.

Free ain't always cheaper :)

Steve

[vicklynn]

WOW Steve, Im glad you popped in. Im thinking if it were only a couple hundred, that would be doable, but 1K, nope, wouldnt do it.

[3equines]

Well, if it is a halfway nice horse I suppose you could try and find it another home. This is a 'pity case', not really a rescue, but it seems the owner can't afford to care for the horse and wants it to be cared for.....

Be sure to include pictures of the horse in your final contract, if the horse is not registered there needs to be some way to identify it.

ood luck. I probably couldn't say no, so its a good thing I am not being offered!!!

[HoustonFarrier]

WOW Steve, Im glad you popped in. Im thinking if it were only a couple hundred, that would be doable, but 1K, nope, wouldnt do it.

Extraction of a horses tooth is not like it is in humans. You don't just dope them up , and reach in and yank them out. The roots are anywhere from 3" to 7" in length, and most of the time have to be DRIVEN out. On one of our mares, who had 2 bad bottom teeth, they have to open the jaw from the bottom, drill out the roots, and take a drift pin and literally KNOCK them up and out.

For a top tooth, they have to do what is called a "sinus flap" to open the area above the tooth, drill the roots and drive them DOWN to extract. It's not much finesse involved. Then you have to deal with the horse coming out of general anesthesia.......

Steve

[vicklynn]

Ewww, good info but Im queezy now.

[lovesfortune]

my mouth hurts just reading that. ow.

[WashingtonBay]

Well, I would ask the people that are giving the horse away. They probably got a quote of what's involved from their own vet, which is when they realized they couldn't do it, whether it's a $200 or $2000 problem.

[livaward]

okay so I talked more with the lady and they did get x-rays and everything and their vet said it is an 800-2000 dollar job. I am going to call my vet and ask them. She did say that the abcess has blown threw the side of her face and she medicating it and keeping it clean. these are the pictures that she sent me.....not alot of help as they don't show the blow out.....I am going to ask her to send me pictures of that so that I can show my vet.

http://webmail1.webmail.aol.com/41552/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.22268664&folder=Inbox&partId=2

http://webmail1.webmail.aol.com/41552/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.22268665&folder=Inbox&partId=2

http://webmail1.webmail.aol.com/41552/aol/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.22268666&folder=Inbox&partId=2

[vicklynn]

Wow, I think I would pass. Why cant the owner take care of it?

[WashingtonBay]

Why is the money, I'd imagine. If it's blown out if probably hurts a lot less, but I'm worried about the horse in all this. Is she eating?

[livaward]

They say she is eating but not much because it still hurts......

The filly has had a hard life before these owners got her....they got her because they felt bad for her seeing her conditions and the abscess; thought that they could help her. The previous owner have bob-wire and she got a bad gash from bob-wire on her face requiring 300 stitches (that is what they said) and that is what she thinks caused the abscess....my vet is at lunch at the moment so I haven't got to speak to him.

can you see the pics in my last post? I can't :(

[livaward]

okay here are pics.....lets see if this way works

I think the red circled area is the abscess before if blew out
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/jlw012061/2-1.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/jlw012061/3.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/jlw012061/get-attachmentaspx.jpg

[Vegashorselady]

Interesting, my horses' abscess must have been caught early or something, because it was not that expensive. There's a plug for preventative medicine! Anyway, I feel sorry for that poor little horse. It's going to be hard for them to place her, that's a lot for someone to take on. I'm curious what your vet says about it.

[livaward]

my main concern is that this filly was bottle fed since her dam died when she was only a month old......I am selling Jorie cause she is to small for me and aren't bottle fed babies a bit smaller? I don't want to do this and I not be able to use her either.......she's had a rough life so far and I don't want her to bounce from home home like she has been.......

uhggggggg:cry::help:

[HoustonFarrier]

my main concern is that this filly was bottle fed since her dam died when she was only a month old......I am selling Jorie cause she is to small for me and aren't bottle fed babies a bit smaller? I don't want to do this and I not be able to use her either.......she's had a rough life so far and I don't want her to bounce from home home like she has been.......

uhggggggg:cry::help:

As I am fond of telling my wife......you can't save them all........

I'd pass, but I am a cold-hearted SOB:p

Steve

[livaward]

I was afraid you were going to say that.......

I know you can't save them all but it doesn't stop my want to.......

[HoustonFarrier]

I was afraid you were going to say that.......
yeah...I am kinda predictable huh ??? :p

I know you can't save them all but it doesn't stop my want to.......
I understand. It's tough sometimes at the shelter, because I see allot that I KNOW I could help....but....reality tells me I can't. Life sux sometimes ;)

Steve

[livaward]

okay.....talked to the owner again.....it is an upper back molar the infected area is around the whole root, blown out of the side of her face, on antibiotics and being flushed daily but it is still swollen but most of the swelling is from scar tissue..... 20 more minuets till my vet returns from lunch......

I think with it being an upper molar I am not going to be able to do this.......

[HoustonFarrier]

yeah...that's the worst place.....most expensive, unless....... if the roots (and surrounding bone) are sufficiently rotted to allow easy extraction.

Were it my horse......I'd be talking to Dr. Rakestraw at A&M.

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

They say she is eating but not much because it still hurts......

The filly has had a hard life before these owners got her....they got her because they felt bad for her seeing her conditions and the abscess; thought that they could help her. The previous owner have bob-wire and she got a bad gash from bob-wire on her face requiring 300 stitches (that is what they said) and that is what she thinks caused the abscess....my vet is at lunch at the moment so I haven't got to speak to him.

can you see the pics in my last post? I can't :(

I don't see how a fence cut could abcess a tooth, and it doesn't even look like it's one of the back teeth. Don't vets often pull those under regular dental level sedation?

[HoustonFarrier]

Don't vets often pull those under regular dental level sedation?

No. They pull wolf teeth, but for big teeth.....it doesn't happen much. Like I said before, if there is sufficient rot to have loosened the bone and roots, it can be "pulled"...otherwise it must be "driven" out.

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Fair enough. I'll just follow along ... Interested in the quote from liv's vet.

[livaward]

okay they don't get back till 1:15......

grrrrrrr

[WashingtonBay]

Here's a question.... the infection itself is probably treatable with antibiotics... after that, the tooth may or may not die, but will it always cause pain? I mean... I realize now from the pics, this is a baby. She's going to lose those teeth eventually anyway isn't she?

[livaward]

but what about all the scare tissue the blowing out caused? I asked for her to e-mail me a pic of that but she isn't home to take that picture/s for me.....

To me it would seem that the scare tissue would need to be removed in order for her adult teeth to come in properly

[HoustonFarrier]

I realize now from the pics, this is a baby. She's going to lose those teeth eventually anyway isn't she?

She will lose the "caps"...but the TOOTH itself remains, and continues to (try) and erupt throughout the life of the horse.

Our mare Caren, had an abscessed root. So the vets cleaned the abscess (from the bottom of her jaw) and packed the area with anti-biotic 'beads". These kept the infection at a low-level for the next 8 months, until the roots and rotted and softened the bone enough to make extraction easier. We took her to A&M, and they drove 2 teeth out. I have pictures of them, if you want to see just how big horse teeth (roots) are.

Steve

[TheRedHayflinger]

my main concern is that this filly was bottle fed since her dam died when she was only a month old......I am selling Jorie cause she is to small for me and aren't bottle fed babies a bit smaller?

Not always. we had several Nurse Mare foals that had been bottle fed, and raised up, donated to our college or put in the colt training course...they were around the 15-16hh mark...QH, Draft crosses and a full draft.

[livaward]

okay.....my vet said that it would be between 250-300 and that is completely knocked out.

[HoustonFarrier]

okay.....my vet said that it would be between 250-300 and that is completely knocked out.

Boy..he's/she's cheap ! I've NEVER had a horse that was given general anesthesia (for anything) for less than $500........and I've had 4 of them under general........

Steve

[livaward]

My vet is very good to me. Dr. Hall in Dayton and he is all equine.....his wife Donna does the small animals

[livaward]

okay so I can do that.......

[Vegashorselady]

Well, that's good news! Now I guess the other issue is to decide what this filly will mature to. Will she be a good size horse for you? I don't know about bottle feeding stunting their growth. It seems to me like genetics are genetics and they still do a lot of growing after they are weaned. As long as she was on good quality feed I would think she'd still mature to her potential. That's just my guess though, I'm sure your vet would have more insight into that issue.

[WashingtonBay]

I don't think there's ever a guarantee on horse height, but our mare was bottle fed and is a very normal sized mare for her breed.

I wouldn't be all that worried about the scar issue but you can ask your vet. My guess is that part will probably heal just fine.

[WashingtonBay]

Boy..he's/she's cheap ! I've NEVER had a horse that was given general anesthesia (for anything) for less than $500........and I've had 4 of them under general........

Steve

Well, it is a baby... and I'm sure that simplifies it a lot.

[WashingtonBay]

Boy..he's/she's cheap ! I've NEVER had a horse that was given general anesthesia (for anything) for less than $500........and I've had 4 of them under general........

Steve

Well, it is a baby... and I'm sure that simplifies it a lot.

Thanks for the info/correction on the teeth versus just the caps. I for one would like to see the pics.

[HoustonFarrier]

Well, it is a baby... and I'm sure that simplifies it a lot.

Thanks for the info/correction on the teeth versus just the caps. I for one would like to see the pics.

Yeah...I'm used to draft horse prices.......

I'll dig up the pics tonight.....

Steve

[natisha]

I don't think I've ever seen a sadder looking face on any horse. When I had an abscessed tooth I was ready to blow my own head off & I only suffered a few hours.I sure hope you or someone can help her.

I'd be happy to make a $ donation if that would help. Please PM me & I'll send you a check ASAP

[livaward]

thank you so much natisha!

[livaward]

I just got more pics......

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/jlw012061/photo.jpg

if hubby says yes tonight and I am sure he will then I am going to look at her tomorrow and decided.

[Vegashorselady]

I hope something works out for that filly. She must be in so much pain! I wonder how she manages to eat at all?

[natisha]

thank you so much natisha! No problem:)

[vicklynn]

my main concern is that this filly was bottle fed since her dam died when she was only a month old......I am selling Jorie cause she is to small for me and aren't bottle fed babies a bit smaller? I don't want to do this and I not be able to use her either.......she's had a rough life so far and I don't want her to bounce from home home like she has been.......

uhggggggg:cry::help:
My Arab was an orphan and bottle fed. He stood 15.2 and weighed in at 1000lbs. So, not all of them are small.

[vicklynn]

I just read the rest of your posts leah. I am glad you are able to help this baby. ((HUGS))

[lisakaye]

I think that it is wonderful that you really want to help her. If you can afford to maybe you could keep her and train her and then sell or give her away later after she has matured. If you don't want her that is.. You are a great person for doing this.

[livaward]

Thank you everyone for you thoughts and hugs.....I am just waiting on hubby to get home and let me know what he thinks.............*taps fingers*

Here is one pic I tried to post earlier but stupid school computers.....
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh181/jlw012061/get-attachmentaspx-1.jpg

I rode Pearl again today and she was great, I have had a great day so maybe DH will let me have a great night LOL....

[Diane of Buck's Hollow]

Good Luck Livaward!

[42many]

Poor thing - hopefully you are able to help her! It is a situation owners dread - what happens when things go south and you lose any extra emergency fund money? Nowadays I'm sure there are a lot of unfortunate animals whose owners would love more than anything to help them - but just can't afford to any more. :(

[jeezitsjacki]

hopefully this mare will get help somehow.. good luck with hubby!

[pandorasmom]

Can't wait to hear how this turns out. She looks like a sweet girl and I hope your able to help her. Good for you!!! :D

[livaward]

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YES!:banana::banana::banana::banana:

We are going to go get her Sat. I would go get her today but the owner asked if I could give her kids a few days to say goodbye. Her dentist appointment is Mon. I could barely sleep last night :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[vicklynn]

How very cool!! Now, IF you do a fix and sell, you should go back to hubby and say, well, how about that Draft I was looking at...LMBO

I cant wait to see pics of the horse, and how she deals with her abscess healing.

[Toodlestoo]

Oh, I'm so excited for this poor horse. You and your hubby are angels. If you need help with the expense, I can chip in a little. Just let me know where to send it.

[natisha]

Just got home from work & read the good news. Let's get that girl fixed up!

[~*Domino*~]

Aww, you and your hubby are angels for the poor girl! Thank you for doing this for her!:)

[Vegashorselady]

Oh, I'm so happy! I know you can't save them all but sometimes there's that one that you just can't pass by. I can't wait to see this filly all fixed up. You and your hubby deserve a big hug for helping out this horse! :)

[livaward]

Thanks guys.....I am taking a break from trying to build her a stall LOL.....ask Steve....he's seen my place and after the hurricane I haven't had any real stalls so I am taking five from demolition to constructing.....good thing it is a beautiful day!

[HeartofSteel]

Exciting!! Are you still plannin on selling miss Jorie?

[livaward]

yeah..... :(

[HeartofSteel]

Aww I just love little Jorie

[lisakaye]

I think you are both wonderful for helping out this mare in need. Waiting for pics..