Confo Critique the new horse please

[CrazyManda]

This horse has been here 2 days now and I know he needs dewormed and will be done as soon as he's able to be handled...working on that issue lol. He is a 1 1/2 year old stallion(also going to take care of that little issue soon;)) and here is a link to his grandsire's pedigree, Show Me Bonanza. As far as we know his sire is a bay Paint and his dam is a sorrel Quarter horse, or breeding stock paint.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/show+me+bonanza


Now for the pics:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03210.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03214.jpg


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03186.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03212.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03188.jpg

I'd like to hear the good, bad and ugly. I know he'll look different once he gets conditioned a bit.

[Kaitlyn]

I'll tell you what I see other than he needs wormed and conditioned.His croup is very high, although he may balance out since he's still young. It appears to me his back is very short and he even looks sway backed. His neck looks a little short, but that could be my eyes playing tricks on me. His front legs look pretty decent, it's hard to tell but it seems like his back legs would match up well so they seem pretty decent as well. Hopefully with some TLC he'll grow into himself.

[Equine_Woman]

What I see from these photos (which aren't the greatest for confo, and he is young so it's not always a good idea to critique a youngester) Front legs look calf kneed and knock-kneed, shoulder is rather steep, Throatlatch is thicker than I like, back does seem a bit swayed, but he's young so it could be a combo of the wormy and the growth, croup is really steep, his pasterns are nice and short (which I like). I'd like to see what he looks like after wormer and conditioning. You can buy feed through ivomec now. . .it's in packages. It's the only way my parents can worm their wild donkey. . They have it at tractor supply. . .you may want to try and get that so you can get started on his worming. . .and get a vet out there for vaccinations asap! Good luck with him!!! He could be a diamond in the rough right now. That's the fun thing about youngesters!

[Palogal]

I agree with EW on all counts. I would also add, he has a really cute face!

[ImaBronsonBear]

Yup, i also agree with EW. But i also might add that he looks sickle-hocked in the back, and posty. And that RF leg makes me cringe... He's got a cute expression, though!

[Palogal]

It'll be cool to see him wormed and conditioned!

[FatSpottedAppy]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Pets%20and%20other%20horses/DSC03214.jpg


Is his leg crooked?

[Kaitlyn]

Essh, good point, Morgan, he looks reallllly crooked in that pic.Hope it's a fluke.

[CrazyManda]

I think he is a bit splay footed but not as crooked as it appears in that pic. When I snapped that pic he was leaning away from Auren, getting ready to step away. I will take more pics when I go up in a moment to mess with him, but I don't think his legs are that crooked.

[elevenelevenxo]

I'm not the best with confo, but I figured I'd throw in my two cents because I like to learn. :)

He's got a steep croup. That's the number one thing that jumped out at me. Looks to be slightly bum high, but he's still a growing boy, so he could very well be in that gangly goofy stage and that will fix itself as he grows.

He looks a little bit ewe necked and he looks kind of toed out on the front - I can't tell if that leg is bent slightly or if he's knock-kneed. Pretty thick throatlatch - might make rounding at the poll a little difficult. Very short back.

I like his head....he's got a really sweet expression - my guess is he'll be a lovely boy to work with.

What will you be doing with him?

[livaward]

What I see is a mess....but he is still a baby.....weak hip, back at the knee, knock kneed, maybe cow hocked, he has an okay shoulder but still steep. He does have a nice head though......I will do a better crituque when he is older but as a baby he isn't something I would have looked twice as.......JMHO though

[mandascrazycowboy]

I am going to use him as a cutting, speed horse. He has a beautiful lope and he is a smart horse I think as he gets bigger he will grow into his body, hes still only a year and a half. Hes got a few more years of growing to do. He is a stallion so he acts up once in a while I'm going to have him gelded here in about a month or so. Chanti is in standing heat so were keeping an eye on him making sure he doesn't break out to get at her. Well crazy got more pics I'll have her post them on here later.

[mandascrazycowboy]

Thanks for all your opinions. What do you guys think of his grandpas pedigree?

[Miracle Whip]

I don't know about the pedigree, one registered horse in your pedigree does not a cutting horse make. Do you plan on competing in cutting etc? This horse does not have the bone. muscle, or even conformation to do well in speed events if you ask me. If you just wanted to give him a chance that is one thing, but if you REALLY wanted one for cutting etc he wasn't a good choice. To be honest, when I saw you had put this up for a conformation critique, my thoughts were, what,...why do you even need our opinions? He is not a well built horse and his problems are pretty evident to most of us... I'd like to see you save your money and get some nice built horses that can be handled instead of the half wild horses you are always telling us about.

How old was his dam when he was born? The grandsire is only 9 years old...edited for fuzzy math

Sorry to be so blunt, its my 2 cents worth.

[Miracle Whip]

In regards to his pedigree
Emphais - GREAT GREAT grandsire, had 2 Reining Points

Doc Bar, 4 GREATS, was a leading sire of cutting horses and the sire of 27 AQHA Champions. Unfortunately, I am still not convinced this particular horse is close enough to yours to really influence his abilities.

My dog has several Field Champions in her pedigree, about as far back as your champions. She isn't much of a hunting dog, basically because my husband does not work with her. She has no outstanding characteristics or abilities due to the champions. In fact, the most prolific stud dog, apparently isn't so hot because they falsified his records. Here we thought it was a good thing, but turns out folks are a bit soured on Rawhides Clown.

[FatSpottedAppy]

What is a mess now might be an absolute beauty later. I think he's really pretty even though he's going through his baby stage. Prodigy's frame is pretty ugly right now-- his body is all over.

[CrazyManda]

I see some things that aren't so great but he is still a baby with lots of growing to do. Chanti was rear high really bad as a baby and it has levelled out, I think it'll do the same for him and with work and training and conditioning some of his other flaws might iron themselves out too. If I had to guess at his dam's age, I'd say she's atleast 10 years old but probably in her teens. 16 or so. She's bull dog built too but close to 15 hands herself. We have no idea about his dam's side but I already know pedigree isn't the only thing that determines what a horse will be good at. That takes training.
He's still not a bad horse for the price..FREE:p

[TheRedHayflinger]

I see the RF being crooked in all the pics..you can even see it on the last pic. Don't like how his neck ties in. Might be a bit posty in the hind legs too. Something I don't like about his haunches, steep croup aside...just can't put my finger on it..might just be lack of muscle tone on a large boned body. He does seem to have plenty of bone substance!

He might look a bit different with some weight/muscle, and wormy look gone and sleeked up...and he seems to have a kind face :) Good luck with him

[CrazyManda]

And just to show how much a horse can change from the baby ugly duckling phase to mature....here's my girl Chanti when she was 3 months old

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Chanti/IMG016.jpg

And NOW at 4 years old

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Chanti/horsesapril27034.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/gingersnaps2002/Chanti/DSC01248.jpg

[AppyLover]

Honest opinions: I would not have looked at either horse. They are not what I like as far as their conformation goes. But I do see that both horses are rather similar so they are what you like and are the right conformation for your intended use....What should it matter what we think? Because His weaknesses might be his strong points for what you will be using him for, but for what someone else would use him for his weaknesses would be great downfalls.

Now that being said, the colt or the mare are not what I like. What I see in the colt is way to short of a back which for me usually isn't a problem but honestly I don't like the shape, he looks very week to me. I don't like his front legs, looks knock kneed. I like a straighter leg. Also his shoulders are in front of his knees with a week chest. His neck doesn't tie into his body well I like a more elegant connection, with a clean throat latch. The rear end looks sloped and not shaped for speed. Way to straight of rear-end, legs look posty, I prefer a springier back leg with a nice angled hock and straight narrow hind quarters.

So with that in mind he would not be a good candidate for my type of riding and the conformation I look for, but the flaws I see compared to my riding may not be flaws for your type of riding. Good luck with him and I hope he surpasses all of your expectations.

[ImaBronsonBear]

He might be absolutely gorgeous when he grows up, yes. But the crookedness of his legs, and the stress that puts on his joints (i know the photo might have skewed the angle, but the fact the remains that all his legs are not ideal), makes him very, very susceptible to lameness/leg problems. Most especially if you use him for speed events.

I don't care if they're butt high, ugly ducklings when they're babies - i wasn't looking at that. I was looking at his legs, and those are bones, and they ain't gonna change. You wanted my honest opinion, and there it is. I don't mean to offend you or anything, please do not take it that way.

[WashingtonBay]

Well, if you're not meaning to hurt feelings, then we don't say "makes me cringe". There's ways to be a bit more subtle than that.

Mandas - He's a colt in that gawky teenage stage. Hopefully he'll end up being a nice horse to have for ya... But these aren't particularly flattering pictures to do analysis from and it's not a particularly flattering time of his life. I'll look forward to seeing updates as he settles in, sheds out, grows up, and gets in a bit better condition.

[ImaBronsonBear]

Well, if you're not meaning to hurt feelings, then we don't say "makes me cringe". There's ways to be a bit more subtle than that.

Point taken, and post changed, sorry about that - i didn't mean to make it sound that way, but ya know how you can just say things wrong without meaning it? Yeah, it happens in typing too.:)