What do you think of Dreamers conformation? Rip em apart!!!

[PatriotsDreamer]

I would love if you guys ripped Dreamers conformation apart! I want to know the good the bad the amazing and the ugly! Whether you like his conformation or not! would you buy a horse based on his conformation? WHat would he excell at? id love to see and WANT those DETAILED posts on his conformation!!!
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[gaited07]

The only thing that I can fault this BEAUTIFUL guy on is his small feet. He does toe out on the right hind but I think it's more of the way he is standing. It would be easier if he was standing square.

[livaward]

it looks in the pics that he has a pretty straight shoulder and his hip angle isn't as steep as I like it, he looks a little up hill but he is still a baby so that isn't a problem cause he will level out with time, his rear view pic isn't the best cause he looks WAY toed out on the right. He is a really beautiful guy and I would take a look at him if he were for sale. He has really nice muscle for a 3? year old.......you can tell he is well taken care of and loved

[Miracle Whip]

He needs to build up his shoulder and wither area so it matches his butt. I don't care for the angle of the croup and I don't like his neck. Looks rather underdeveloped or a ewe neck. I agree, there is barely any hoof there at all...no I would not buy this horse. He is holding his head at a weird angle at the poll...nice coat though!

[PatriotsDreamer]

He is actually between 2 and 2 1/2 in these pictures, they are from earlier this year... Thanks for all the good and bad comments. The small feet is probably still due to his age. sorry about the crappy behind pic, he always tries to look at me which makes him stand funny. i would be too lucky to get a perfect behind pic, he would HAVE to fall asleep first, but he wakes up everytime i walk away. as for his back leg looking toed out. Yes he does toe out slightly but not as much as the pics look, as i said he always tries to look at me when im behind which explains his funny posture.

Miracle- he is not on a regular routine and not worked much because he is young. In these pics he had been rode at a walk only maybe 15 times. I agree he has no shoulder or neck compared to that rump, but i think some of it is an awkward 2yo stage. What muscling and points do you look for in a horse at his same age? just curious i like to see what other people look for. Thanks for the comment!

I do have a question how is the angle of the croup going to affect him movement wise?

[Country Girl 43]

I don't know alot about confirmation, I do know he is a purdy boy. My Dallas also has very small feet/hooves. But I am hoping he is still growing.

[WashingtonBay]

Dreamer is a beautiful horse, nicely balanced, looks like his parts all belong together. These pics are probably not as flattering as they could be. A nice shot with his head up and a little more squared up would have showed him off better.

I think he's actually got a rather nice sloped shoulder and a beautiful neck. Remember folks, the angle of the shoulder is from the point of his chest to the middle of the wither. That's the angle and length of the bone, not the angle where his shoulder muscling meets his neck. Dreamers are pretty close to exactly 45 degrees. Attached pictures may show this.

[PatriotsDreamer]

Thank you WB. I agree better pictures would have helped tremendously, but these are the best i have/ will have for awhile. Its hard to keep him standing still, 1/2 way squared, and head up without a second hand. he always tries to either walk to me or look at me. I can say his trot is VERY smooth for a young horse learning to carry a rider, and the one time he broke into a canter on accident, it was like floating on clouds, literally rocking horse, if that tells anyone anything?

[vicklynn]

Im no confo person, but damn girl, hes gorgeous. I love his build

[WashingtonBay]

I can say his trot is VERY smooth for a young horse learning to carry a rider, and the one time he broke into a canter on accident, it was like floating on clouds, literally rocking horse, if that tells anyone anything?

It says more than opinion about pictures on the internet! :D

It's tough. I've taken all kinds of pictures of horses, and they can be very deceiving. Part of me almost thought he seemed straight through the stifle, but I've seen him move, at least in pictures, and I am not sure he really is.

I think really, if you can't be there, you really can't tell anything without perfect pictures from several angles, and some movement and video to really show how he uses his parts. Anything less and we're just guessing :)

[Miracle Whip]

If he has smooth gaits it doesn't matter what his croup looks like. I don't shop for 2 or 3 year olds, most of the ones I have seen look out of synch with their bodies. I THINK Washington Bay might have drawn a croup angle on a horse once and I really don't know a whole lot about it. Just that the hip should be under the horse at a certain point. I went back to review, and honest, this horse is ALL BUTT if you ask me, and that is probably why I think something is weird back there. If I saw a horse similar to him I would not buy him, just a personal preference. You asked if I would and I so I said no.

HEY - there is the drawing - Is the front angle and the back angle supposed to be similar? Because looking at your drawing Washington, I'd think the high point of his hip needs to be back farther so that the 2 sides of the triangle match...?

[WashingtonBay]

HEY - there is the drawing - Is the front angle and the back angle supposed to be similar? Because looking at your drawing Washington, I'd think the high point of his hip needs to be back farther so that the 2 sides of the triangle match...?

Not sure I know what you mean... do you mean his hip should be further back or that you don't think I drew the line in the right place?

Yes, in theory, the shoulder and the butt should be in proportion. I think Dreamer is in pretty good proportion, really. I've seen QHs that are all butt, and Dreamer isn't that.

[Miracle Whip]

If I took the front angle and flipped it over, should that be his hindquarter angle is what I am trying to say...

[Sparrk]

I thought Dreamer was black? He looks bay in the picture?

[WashingtonBay]

If I took the front angle and flipped it over, should that be his hindquarter angle is what I am trying to say...

OK - I think they're pretty close, even accounting for the fact that he's got his hip angling away a bit. He's not standing straight in the back, and that will throw off those angles when viewed in 2D.

[luv2show]

He needs to build up his shoulder and wither area so it matches his butt. I don't care for the angle of the croup and I don't like his neck. Looks rather underdeveloped or a ewe neck. I agree, there is barely any hoof there at all...no I would not buy this horse. He is holding his head at a weird angle at the poll...nice coat though!

Ouch. I don't agree with most of this, but I guess we all have our opinions. :eek: He does not have an ewe neck though, that's for sure.:) Can you get recent pics? I'd love to see those! :)

[PatriotsDreamer]

If he has smooth gaits it doesn't matter what his croup looks like. I don't shop for 2 or 3 year olds, most of the ones I have seen look out of synch with their bodies. I THINK Washington Bay might have drawn a croup angle on a horse once and I really don't know a whole lot about it. Just that the hip should be under the horse at a certain point. I went back to review, and honest, this horse is ALL BUTT if you ask me, and that is probably why I think something is weird back there. If I saw a horse similar to him I would not buy him, just a personal preference. You asked if I would and I so I said no.

HEY - there is the drawing - Is the front angle and the back angle supposed to be similar? Because looking at your drawing Washington, I'd think the high point of his hip needs to be back farther so that the 2 sides of the triangle match...?
Oh no i respect your openion 110%, i was just a little confused and wanted to know more! I appriciate your post.

[PatriotsDreamer]

I thought Dreamer was black? He looks bay in the picture?
He is black but bays out in the summer. he is not really that light, most of it is the setting on my camera was wrong.

[PatriotsDreamer]

Ouch. I don't agree with most of this, but I guess we all have our opinions. :eek:He does not have an ewe neck though, that's for sure.:) Can you get recent pics? I'd love to see those! :)
Man i should have multi quoted.. sorry guys. I just wanted to say i respectEVERYONES openions good and bad, and everyones thoughts. Your not going to offend me. I would love to get more recent pics but after my accident, i dont think ill be able to for sometime yet unless i can talk my brother in law into helping me.

[PatriotsDreamer]

BUMP anyone else wanna critique him? PLEEEASSE!!

[TBgirl]

He appears sickle-hocked in the pics. I'd definitely work on getting him to build some muscle on the crest of his neck. It's all hard to tell from pics on the net, like WB said. I think he's really cute :)