Noval Headstall

[livaward]

My trainer got his today and we tried it out on Pearl and this other psycho mare that has been there for 2 months and still bucks with the saddle at the trot.....and they did wonderful! OMG I can't believe the change in them today.....Pearl has alot of fear issues still and bucks undersaddle at the lope. This thing makes them use the thinkin' side of their brain instead of that reaction fear I need to get away and get that thing off me side of their brain.....I am really amazed and I think that Pearl is going to progress to riding more then desensitizing.....

[zoel_222]

What is it exactly?

I hope Ms. Pearly is doing good and this will help her :)

[livaward]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Whisperide

www.whisperide.com

[zoel_222]

Wow that's really cool

[WP~Paint]

Glad to hear she is doing better. It looks cool!

[PoniesRock101]

thats reallyinteresting! i've never heard of that till now...Its just like a bitless bridle right? A friend of mine had somehting similar and loves it!

[FatSpottedAppy]

I was just wondering how Pearl was coming along.

That sounds really neat.. I hope she progresses quickly with it.

[livaward]

Yeah it's a bitless bridal in reality but a bit different then the ones that you hear of.....with the nylon....it's kinda like a bosal but not.....

[livaward]

you see Pearl in the halter on in my avatar? That is how it looks on her......

[PoniesRock101]

cool! looks really nice from what I see on the website! I think you need to get us a video one day! :D

[livaward]

I am on Monday if I don't forget my stinkin camera

[vicklynn]

If not used right you can really hurt a horses nose. Like a stud chain or any other heavy training gear, it is not for the amateur.

[vicklynn]

Forgot to add. Im glad things are going well with the training.

[livaward]

If not used right you can really hurt a horses nose. Like a stud chain or any other heavy training gear, it is not for the amateur.

exactly......we are only using it for training and eventually we will switch her to her full check snaffle......

[Fork]

Glad things are going better!

I hope people don't look to these things as a solution and fix-all to all of their problems. Those are the people I worry most about.

[livaward]

right.....we use it to get the attention out of the motor and into the brain....and that is exactly what my trainer said....this is a good instrument for someone who is trained in how to use it but not for the everyday rider....it can cause harm if you don't know how to properly use this training device.

[valleyrider]

Very interesting looking headstall. I hope it works out for you.. Keep us posted on her training.

[vicklynn]

exactly......we are only using it for training and eventually we will switch her to her full check snaffle......
Very good!! I figured you wouldnt use it always. I just wanted others to know they can only be used in the proper hands, and with training.
Used one on Storm, so did Dixie, for shoeing. The first time I used it, with a trained horsemen, shoer, he got a swollen nose, but remember, he was a tough guy when I first got him. He sure squared up for the next time. And yes, we did try to drug him, it wore off way to quickly. Stubborn horse..lol

[miatapony]

im happy to hear it is working for ya. i cant wait to see a video of pearl.

[peace_baby]

It looks really neat!
I'm glad to hear Pearl's coming along, she sure is a pretty girl. :)

[Dixie]

Very good tool in the right hands. Both Pedey and Storm have had one used on them during shoeing, but they both knew better then to dance around acting the way they were. A few light bumps with that and they've never needed it again. I'm glad it's working out for you, it is a wonderful tool to get a horses attention especially when they know better.

[IrisGreen]

It looks like a regular bosal or what some people call a traditional Hackamore (not mechanical). What makes this thing different then a normal stiff rawhide bosal? There both hard, go around the face in the same shape, attach to the headstall in almost the same way. the only difference is this one has a strap that goes from the underside to the throat latch to keep the bottom from hanging forward from it's own weight.

I'm not knocking it or talking bad about it. I just don't understand why it's different then a normal bosel you would use to ride with? I hope they don't cost much because you can get a bosel to put on your own headstall for $10-$15 bucks.

ETA:
Whoa!!! There $250 bucks!!! That's a huge rip off! It's just a bosal! Theres a Mexican guy that rides with one all the time around here. He has a stud that he rides in one and they do work great in the right hands but you can cause major face problems and even brake cartilage if used wrong or jerked on.

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude at all. I just don't understand what makes this "brand" of bosal any different then a normal raw hide bosal that's been around for decades? Other then it's not rawhide and costs an outrageous amount?

[vicklynn]

Some are metal, rawhide over them. They are not like a bosal in that manner. All together a different thing.

[IrisGreen]

Ok, this is the traditional hack or Bosal I am talking about.

This is a Bosal with mecate reins already attached.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Rawhide-and-Leather-Bosal-with-Tail-Hair-Mecate_W0QQitemZ220382723769QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item220382723769&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
http://i.ebayimg.com/21/!BPDNWyQ!2k~$(KGrHgoH-D4EjlLle-etBJ)sp-Gno!~~_1.JPG

Here is a bosal on a headstall with black mecate reins. $49 on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Stunning-RH-Accents-Bitless-Bosal-Horse-Bridle-Mecate_W0QQitemZ270362714717QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item270362714717&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
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How is that any different from the Noval headstall with the metal or hard nylon bosal? Other then the strap that goes from the bottom of the bosal to the throat latch? $199 for this basic Whiperride headstall.
http://www.whisperide.com/storefront7default/images/WR352507-250.jpg

Here is a hand made horse hair bridle and bosal with the keeper strap that keeps the bosal from leaning forward when the horse puts it's head down. $25 on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/HANDMADE-HORSE-HAIR-BOSAL-AND-MECATE-REINS_W0QQitemZ330316584491QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item330316584491&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt169/bnoordzy/ebay/BOSAL1.jpg


I think it's the same thing, just modernized to look sleek. Same function, shape but they added a ring to the bottom so you could clip your reins on instead of tieing on Mecate reins. That way it could be used English or Western with modern snap end riens.

[livaward]

It is different....yes they look the same but they function differently.....as were the bosal has constant contact with the horse this does not and only puts pressure when and were needed....it is a harsher pressure to get their attention quicker.....

[vicklynn]

Iris, do you see the metal on the Noval? It is very high powered training gear. Where as if you pull the Bosal on the horses nose, you are not going to BREAK it, you can very easily with a Noval. Why the warnings on the hands that use it. It is built the same, in looks only, but is totally a different breed of equipment.

[IrisGreen]

I understand it's metal. Have you ever held a thick rawhide bosal before? There very hard! I'm sure not as hard as metal but to the horse they my aswell be metal there so hard. People have broken horses faces with a rawhide bosal before from jerking on it.

It rests just the same as the Whisper does on the horses face and only pulls when pulled on. There the same shape so how could they rest differently, they both hang from the nose lose tell pulled on.

Here is a "new" version of the bosal that has a ring attached for convienence. It's hard rawhide, like a dog bone. Ebay $25
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Rawhide-Braided-Pencil-Bosal-Cody-Cowboy-Tack-NR_W0QQitemZ110369086540QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item110369086540&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/meggtack/.mids/IMG_8542.JPG
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Is that not the same thing, just not metal?

[IrisGreen]

I just wanted to add. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just don't want someone to read this thread and think they have to spend $200 bucks to see if this "bosal" works on there horse. They can buy a bosel like I posted for $25 bucks and see if they like it and how there horse responds to it. If they like it and decide to spend the $200 bucks to get the metal one then that's fine.

I just wanted to show that these have been around for ever and this "New" Whisper brand bosal isn't the only one that works off the same pressure and you don't have to spend $200 bucks to see if you like riding with a bosal.

I'm happy that your mare is riding good in it. That's awesome! When you go to transition her to a bit you might want to use a combo bit with a nose band so it gives her both nose and bit cues so she catches on faster to the bit cues. That's what Nate is working Muffin in because I always used bitless bridles and halters on him. He has no idea what pulling on the bit means so the combo bit with the nose band works great transitioning him to bit pressure.

[livaward]

That is what we are going to do......transition.....gradually work her over to the bit of choice....

[vicklynn]

I just wanted to add. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I just don't want someone to read this thread and think they have to spend $200 bucks to see if this "bosal" works on there horse. They can buy a bosel like I posted for $25 bucks and see if they like it and how there horse responds to it. If they like it and decide to spend the $200 bucks to get the metal one then that's fine.

I just wanted to show that these have been around for ever and this "New" Whisper brand bosal isn't the only one that works off the same pressure and you don't have to spend $200 bucks to see if you like riding with a bosal.

I'm happy that your mare is riding good in it. That's awesome! When you go to transition her to a bit you might want to use a combo bit with a nose band so it gives her both nose and bit cues so she catches on faster to the bit cues. That's what Nate is working Muffin in because I always used bitless bridles and halters on him. He has no idea what pulling on the bit means so the combo bit with the nose band works great transitioning him to bit pressure.
But its not a Bosal, it is a Noval, a totally different creature. I would ride a horse in a Bosal daily, but a Noval, not on your life, but heck, Id never ride in a Noval in the first place. The Noval has been around for Aloooonng time.

[Fork]

They even claim on their website that they're not the original inventors (or shall I say, "innovators") of the concept. Seems as if you pay $200 more to get the "harsher" version of the bosal.

[Tiz]

That thing is brutal. If you need something that painful on their heads in order to climb on, stay on the ground, and finish your groundwork.

[IrisGreen]

But its not a Bosal, it is a Noval, a totally different creature. I would ride a horse in a Bosal daily, but a Noval, not on your life, but heck, Id never ride in a Noval in the first place. The Noval has been around for Aloooonng time.

Ok, I get it now. You are saying a Noval is a "type" of bosal (or training equipment) and not the Brand name of this bridle. I was thinking it was a brand name that "Whisper" made up for there metal bosal. Sorry, for the misunderstanding.

[vicklynn]

No, Im not even putting it in the same category as a Bosal.

And Wisper did not just come out with the Noval, it is a very old product.

I dont like that they even thought about using a Noval as a riding product.

A Bosal is a riding product. A Noval has never, that I have ever talked or heard about, been used at a riding or training product for riding. Just because it is shaped the same, does not put it in the same catagory. Im sorry you are not understanding this.

Considered a great farrier tool, in the right hands. Here are some things said.

The Rick Wheat Noavel Headstall is a great tool for farriers. I have taken an unruly, dangerous horse, and after just a few minute be able to safely continue and shoe the horse. My clients are amazed at the difference this tool makes in just one little session. It is alternative to drugs, or twitches. I am sold on this product. You should try one too.

http://www.lesspub.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?433&cgBoard_boardID=1&cgThread_threadID=19115&cgTopic_topicID=133

[IrisGreen]

ok, I get it. It's a tool to get a horse under control not something you should be riding with. Like a twitch is a tool but not something you ride with.

I have never heard of a Noval so when I looked at it I thought....They just made a metal bosal and are selling it as a "safe" way to ride your horse with "no pain" for $200 bucks. I had no idea a Noval was a tool or considered very different then a Bosal. You kept saying a Noval is not a Bosal, there different, one is metal. I knew one was metal but didn't know a Noval had been around for years. I thought Whisper Ride Bridle named there "new contraption" a Noval and it was just a metal bosal.

I understand now :) Thankx for clarifying.

I do agree, if you need a Noval to ride your horse you need to go back to basics. I wouldn't even put that on Muffin for risk of braking something in his face and not only that, Training can take the place of such a harsh tool.

I don't like how they say it's "safe and pain free". How can it be pain free? Watching there videos they insinuate that you can put one of these Novals on a horse and all of a sudden it's kid safe:nono:. But, it's there site so there going to make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

Again, Thank you for clearifying, Vicklynn. I didn't know what a Noval was and that Whisper Ride did not invent it.

[Tiz]

It's pain free as long as you don't touch it, or the reins attached to it.

[PatriotsDreamer]

this is ALL my boyfriends mom uses. they are GREAT for trail horses.

[PatriotsDreamer]

she also sells them for 150 i beleive too.

[vicklynn]

:hysterical:It's pain free as long as you don't touch it, or the reins attached to it.

[Cat]

Vick - so you are saying this thing should not be used for riding? It seems that is about all they are showing in that video link - people riding in it. And with the name like "whisper" it seems like they are trying to say this thing is gentle. I would like to strangle some marketing companies.

I'll stick with my traditional raw-hide bosal, thanks.

[vicklynn]

Nope, would NEVER ride in a tool like that.
If ya dont want a bit, get a Bosal, bitless bridle, hackamore, or something else.
IMHO If you need that kind of power to break a horse, you need to retrack your training steps.

[offgridgirl]

interesting tool....can't say that I would use it thou...:)

[CrazyManda]

When I worked at a girl scout camp back in 2002 that's what ALL the camp horses used and I hated, despised the things. Theirs was the metal but they were uncovered and those things are heavy. The guy who supposedly came up with the idea, or atleast marketed it, was the same guy's son who had the horses for the camp. I won't mention names but he's a "trainer" and that's what he uses. I understand some horses need something that severe but my gosh..these were calm, quiet camp horses. We weren't allowed to go over a walk anyway. I think in that situation they were using it needlessly. You don't ever want to let inexperienced hands use the Noval headstall. The trainer also only fed the horses old nasty hay and a mixture of flour and chicken grease:huh: Definitely not my idea of a trainer or a horseman..but another story, so.... lol I would never use one on any of my horses but I definitely understand there are situations where it's ok as a training tool.

[livaward]

I agree and We have started the process of switching Pearl over now....I would absolutely not recommend this as a daily tool for broke horses.....it is a training tool NOT a daily user.

[vicklynn]

I agree and We have started the process of switching Pearl over now....I would absolutely not recommend this as a daily tool for broke horses.....it is a training tool NOT a daily user.
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[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Hehe I seen these in Ranch and home the other day and they had a video of it too. They are so expensive. I got to see it in person though wich was neat. I don't think I would use it on my horse, cus I do agree. If you need something harsh like that you should go back in you training and fix a few things. I do have a question though, How would this make a horse behave for a farrier? (You jerk on there face?)

[vicklynn]

Hehe I seen these in Ranch and home the other day and they had a video of it too. They are so expensive. I got to see it in person though wich was neat. I don't think I would use it on my horse, cus I do agree. If you need something harsh like that you should go back in you training and fix a few things. I do have a question though, How would this make a horse behave for a farrier? (You jerk on there face?)
not a jerk but a tap of the lead.

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

So how is it hash? I'm alil confuzzled lol. Wouldn't it feel just like a halter on there nose?

[vicklynn]

It is a very heavy tool, and when tapped on the nose, it can leave swelling, and can break it also if not used properly.
The first time I used it on Storm, we had to tap the lead a bit firmly at times, he swelled the next day, yet not much.
The next time we used it, he stood very well, only recieved a few light taps. No swelling.
After that he only needed a stud chain, then after about the 5th or 6th time, he graduated to a halter.

Only other time it was used is when he kicked Dixies farrier. The Noval was re-introduced and he stood like a charm. Hes a smart boy and dosnt forget much.

Do I keep updated on him or what.....lol

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Hmm ok lol I get it now :). I love storm he is soo pretty!

[vicklynn]

Hmm ok lol I get it now :). I love storm he is soo pretty!
Thanks, I think so too!! He has a great home with Dixie, yet I miss him sometimes.

[Tiz]

It's not just the nose that gets whacked, but the horse's jawbones, too. Unsavory appliance.

[vicklynn]

It's not just the nose that gets whacked, but the horse's jawbones, too. Unsavory appliance.
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