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WashingtonBay
03-31-2009, 02:05 PM
Democrats Unveil Ambitious Global Warming Bill

By JOHN M. BRODER (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/john_m_broder/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: March 31, 2009

WASHINGTON — The debate on global warming (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) and energy policy accelerated on Tuesday as two senior House Democrats unveiled a far-reaching bill to cap heat-trapping gases and quicken the country’s move away from dependence on coal (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/coal/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) and oil.

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But the bill leaves critical questions unanswered and has no Republican support. It is thus the beginning, not the end, of the debate in Congress on how to deal with two of President Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per)’s top priorities, climate change and energy.

The draft measure, written by Representatives Henry A. Waxman (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/henry_a_waxman/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of California and Edward J. Markey (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/edward_j_markey/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Massachusetts, sets a slightly more ambitious goal for capping greenhouse gases than Mr. Obama’s proposal. The bill requires that emissions be reduced 20 percent from 2005 levels by 2020, while Mr. Obama’s plan (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/washington/27web-energy.html?scp=1&sq=drilling%20down%20budget%20broder&st=cse)calls for a 14 percent reduction by 2020. Both would reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases by roughly 80 percent by 2050.

The Waxman-Markey bill, known as the American Clean Energy and Security Act (http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090331/acesa_discussiondraft.pdf), emerges at a time when many Americans, and their representatives in Congress, are wary of wide-ranging environmental legislation that could raise energy costs and potentially cripple industry. The bill also comes as the Environmental Protection Agency (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/e/environmental_protection_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org) is about to exert regulatory authority over greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/clean_air_act/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier). The bill would pre-empt that effort and create a new cap-and-trade scheme to control carbon emissions.

The bill would require every region of the country to produce a quarter of its electricity from renewable sources like wind, solar and geothermal (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/geothermal_power/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) by 2025. A number of lawmakers around the country, particularly in the Southeast, call that goal unrealistic because the natural resources and technology to meet it do not yet exist.

More: Democrats Unveil Ambitious Global Warming Bill - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/us/politics/01energycnd.html?_r=1&hp)
Cripple American industry, when it's already struggling, increase taxes on everyone who uses anything, and put tariffs on the poorest countries and limit their development. All based on a crisis that may not even exist, certainly hasn't been proven. :coffee:

outriding01
03-31-2009, 02:11 PM
I just don't understand why we're trying to stop something (climate change) that's been occuring since the earth began and will continue long after we're gone? I'm going to get a shirt that say somthing like "Climate changes, deal with it." Of course, the change will be done in the manner of the Obama logo as is only fitting....

WashingtonBay
03-31-2009, 02:14 PM
Hey - I think there would be a market for that! You may be making taxable income yet! :)

natisha
03-31-2009, 02:30 PM
It's an easy way to get more $$ without having to prove anything.

Put me down for a shirt!

twofingers
03-31-2009, 02:43 PM
right on. It is about time that the congress took things seriously. industry is the cause of the atmospheric catastrophe, and the impoverishment of the masses. If there were no factories and mass production there would be no pollution and the workers and management would all be equally wealthy. factories consume valuable resources needed by the animals that should be left alone to evolve as they have ever since the accidental cooking in the primordial soup many millenniums ago. How dare to criticize our noble and caring politicians. Al gore has assured me that the world will end in five years unless we do this. And look at the silly smiley yu end your post with. floating there drinking coffee and reading a paper. Well that coffee had to be heated -global warming and the cup itself is relase heat into the atmosphere - more global warming and reading a newspaper -the destruction of the forest: if you will remember back in the early 70s when we were told that the rain forest was be destroyed at the rate of 160,000 acres an hour which is now why there no rain forest left, really can you tell me where I can go and visit a rain forest?? Have you ever been in a rain forest? does it ever actually rain where you are at..!! now if you'll excuse me the microwave just dinged and I have to go eat my tofu sushi.
:p

WashingtonBay
03-31-2009, 02:53 PM
really can you tell me where I can go and visit a rain forest??According to Al Gore... Very soon in the Alaskan Tundra.

There are job openings there to shave the sweltering polar bears :)

twofingers
03-31-2009, 03:04 PM
LOL. I didn't think of that I was rather thinking of - the pacific northwest rain forest , just a few miles out our back doors.

WashingtonBay
03-31-2009, 03:11 PM
Oh - lol - Nah - It never rains here! :D

vicklynn
03-31-2009, 03:14 PM
Oh gesh. Whats next in this 4 yr term. Can it end already.

mtnmollie
03-31-2009, 03:42 PM
I just don't understand why we're trying to stop something (climate change) ....

Is that what its about?

Or is it about something else?

mtnmollie
03-31-2009, 03:45 PM
Re: Global Warming Is Running Out of Hot Air

Global warming is running out of hot air...

but not at the UN.

Quote:

Friday, March 27, 2009
By George Russell

Print ShareThisA United Nations document on "climate change" that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body.

Those and other results are blandly discussed in a discretely worded United Nations "information note" on potential consequences of the measures that industrialized countries will likely have to take to implement the Copenhagen Accord, the successor to the Kyoto Treaty, after it is negotiated and signed by December 2009. The Obama administration has said it supports the treaty process if, in the words of a U.S. State Department spokesman, it can come up with an "effective framework" for dealing with global warming.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510937,00.html

outriding01
03-31-2009, 11:13 PM
I have to go eat my tofu sushi.


More like tofu kool-aid. ;)

I'll let y'all know how those shirts are coming, lol. I actually used to make shirts to sell in high school but it's so time consuming.... but they we're so much fun too!