Thoughts and ponderings of a crazy lady

[Peggy Sue]

You haul a horse for somebody......

who cleans trailer??
should they pay for the gas??
what if the horse hauled has a contagious skin problem??

[Peggy Sue]

If you use CC to purchase the gas and such how long is reasonable ot expect repayment?? and should the haulee be responsible for the interest??

remember this is among "friends"

[WashingtonBay]

I'll give you the same answer I gave you at HGS, with an addendum:

If she came home with you, and the trailer, I'd be surprised if she didn't offer to clean it.... but if you left her with the horses, and no discussion to clean it took place there, then I think it's yours to clean, unfortunately.

Is it wrong to ask them to pay for gas? No, she should have probably offered if it was a strict favor for her. But, on the other hand, if hauling them for her was an adventure you both went on without expecting to be paid, and you only want money now because the relationship has turned sour, then...

Well, I hope things work out for you and your friend.


Addendum: If you had an agreement that you were going to charge for gas, or want help with cleaning the trailer, the time for doing that was before you hauled them. If you're only demanding money now because you two have had a falling out, then legally, you don't have a case. Intent, and the difference between a 'loan' and a 'gift' is determined when it's given, not in hindsight. That's my Judge Judy opinion. :)

[Peggy Sue]

BOTH people were told up front they ahve to clean trailer and pay for gas or any other expenses BEFORE going ...

that is the way it always is... and always will be my truck, my trailer, my time ... you pay ....

this is not ONE incident it is several people and times...

[Peggy Sue]

one person's horses I have hauled SEVERAL times think 5 or 6 and she has NEVER helped and I have mentioned it every time but htere is always an excuse.....

the other was a LONG trip over 600 miles and she still owes me on that one

[Arrow]

So Peggy Sue--stop hauling for her! It's your fault if you've let her get away with it every time! Everyone else probably figures you're a pushover and won't pay or help either. Folks are taking advantage of you, and you're letting them. Let this one go, and stop hauling horses for people. It's as simple as that.

[Arrow]

BOTH people were told up front they ahve to clean trailer and pay for gas or any other expenses BEFORE going ...

that is the way it always is... and always will be my truck, my trailer, my time ... you pay ....

this is not ONE incident it is several people and times...

No, apparently that's NOT the way it is, and all these people know it!

[WashingtonBay]

I think the way to avoid hard feelings in the future with this person(s) is to not expect to be paid, or don't do the favors any more.

[Peggy Sue]

So Peggy Sue--stop hauling for her! It's your fault if you've let her get away with it every time! Everyone else probably figures you're a pushover and won't pay or help either. Folks are taking advantage of you, and you're letting them. Let this one go, and stop hauling horses for people. It's as simple as that.

that is what I am SAYING but honestly when somebody is in need I am a pushover I just say pay me whenever ... then I get screwed because the pity continues :(

I basicallyhave decided I am no longer putting anybody else's horses in my trailer PERIOD!! I am sick of being pooped on LOL

[Remali]

Any time someone hauled my horse, I paid for gas, and I cleaned the trailer. I would never expect the other person to pay for "my" gas, or clean up my horse's mess. I guess if I were hauling someone and they repeatedly never paid me or cleaned up, I wouldn't haul them any more.

Good for you Peggy Sue....you shouldn't get "pooped on", you were being nice and helping them out and they sure weren't very nice to you.

[Peggy Sue]

Remali my problem is as hard as I come across sometimes I am too soft hearted ... I feel sorry for people less fortune then I am and try to help them

[Arrow]

Then help them without expecting payment, as WB said. If you can't do that--if it annoys you, and you feel taken advantage of, then stopping helping them.

[WashingtonBay]

Agreed Arrow... again copying my answer from 'over there'...

>>>Well, that's the way it is with people and "fair weather friends".

You're not wrong for wanting it, or wishing for it, but if you want to feel good about helping anyway, then feel good about helping and help anyway. I've certainly given loans to friends that were never repaid, and done favors for people who haven't exactly returned the favor either. Of course, the friendships that last, usually don't turn out that way.

I've got a few friendships, that if such a thing arose, like this, I wouldn't dream of asking for money, but it would probably be offered, as part of the niceties.

If you've asked to be paid, both in hints and overtly, and it's been declined, then I guess the value of the friendship is being decided, for both of you.

[Peggy Sue]

what threw me is that when I mentioned it to one of them I got called GREEDY?? I really thought this person appreciated what I have done to help them so I was floored to say the least...

[Remali]

They called you greedy for asking for gas money?!! OMG I would've given them an earful.....how ungrateful they are!

[outriding01]

Do you walk around wearing a jacket made of hundred dollar bills that someone would call you greedy for asking for repayment? Gas is expensive!

[To Be So Lucky]

BOTH people were told up front they ahve to clean trailer and pay for gas or any other expenses BEFORE going ...

that is the way it always is... and always will be my truck, my trailer, my time ... you pay ....

this is not ONE incident it is several people and times...

If they were told up front was there an agreement made then for you to be paid I take it? 600 miles is a long way to go. You said something about a CC and interest, I take it this is how you paid for gas and such, so assuming there was an agreemnet made for this friend to pay the CC payment/pay off at one time? Has nothing been paid on this?

[Gypsy Rose]

If you offer, that's one thing, but if they ask as a favor, that's another.

If someone can't afford to pay gas, and askes you for help, they could at least help ready and clean out the trailer.

Common courtesy would dictate that if you ask someone to haul your horse, you can at least clean out the trailer when they drop you off. whether gas payment has been arranged or not.

[To Be So Lucky]

Sorry I was just trying to get all the facts. I thought she was asking about how long to expect payment so assumed there had been an arrangement made. I thought that was the question she asked. I would find it more important to get my money then help cleaning out a trailer but thats me. Didn't mean to step on any toes. I thought this was a good forum to come to but I guess its more aggressive then I thought. So for my answer to her reply you should not have did it PERIOD, unless you was just doing it because of your Soft Heart, but I take it thats not the case here. So I guess your just out whatever you paid for.

[Peggy Sue]

Sorry I was just trying to get all the facts. I thought she was asking about how long to expect payment so assumed there had been an arrangement made. I thought that was the question she asked. I would find it more important to get my money then help cleaning out a trailer but thats me. Didn't mean to step on any toes. I thought this was a good forum to come to but I guess its more aggressive then I thought. So for my answer to her reply you should not have did it PERIOD, unless you was just doing it because of your Soft Heart, but I take it thats not the case here. So I guess your just out whatever you paid for.


OH don't feel that way .... this is a touchy subject with some that are in close to me and know the WHOLE story which I can't do without naming names and such which I wont' do ...

just basicallydo you help with gas and cleaning when a friend hauls with you

and Yes all of them were becasue of too soft of heart and feeling sorry for either the horse or the owner or both in same cases

so generally do you help when somebody hauls you

[quest]

I always make them pay for gas and a little more since I am taking the time to haul their horse and using the miles on my truck (unless maybe im hauling my horses too, then just some gas money). I usually clean the trailer (unles maybe it was a real long ride, I might have them agree to that before we haul).

[vicklynn]

Anyone knows, you borrow my trailer, you are borrowing me and my truck. Only way my trailer goes.
With that said, IF I put someone elses horse in my trailer, and you know you better be a good friend, or in dier need, you are paying for MY time, which includes gas.
I only took one horse somewhere for free, it was only a couple miles, and I knew she didnt have any money.
I no longer talk to her cause I found out she owed money to the guy where she had the horse on the property.
IF Im hauling, youd better have YOUR horses coggins, ect, cause Im not getting in trouble for hauling without it.
Im a B, but its my trailer(which can be damaged by your horse), my truck(miles used, tire wear), my time, and YOUR money. Not to many people ask me to move their horses, and I like it that way. LOL
OH ya, I dont like your horses poo on my property, so you clean it when the horse gets out.

[Peggy Sue]

well the CC bill is now offically paid ... she must have found me here LOL woohoo

Now to collect from the others!!

[shewasmyshadow]

Maybe you should have a little short contract that you could use if you need to do it again. Just have them sign something saying they will pay for services rendered, etc, etc. That would probably be scary enough to get them to pay without having to be reminded.

[gabhainn]

generally I would expect gas unless there was an agreement beforehand as for cleaning my trailer, nah I'll take care of it mostly cuz I am a picky sob and you probably wouldnt do the job the way I would and I would get irritated, and end up redoing it any way, its a little ocd I know but I know that about myself, and I accept it...Kevin

[Peggy Sue]

OH I clean the trailer after people as well I normally pull mats after a "strange" horse has been in it and bleach it all down ... but come up scoop your own poo I will do the rest

[TheRedHayflinger]

I've had a friend haul a horse for me a couple of times. I always paid for gas. I didn't clean trailer out, but she told me no bother (trailer wasn't very messy either) Maybe one pile. A couple of times she was hauling a horse to my summer job for me....so I paid for gas to haul up, and her gas for the drive back home(3 hour trip). I also always tossed in an extra $20 or so just for her time, even though she said I just had to pay for gas.

[TheBadLands]

I have a giant fiance for things like this. He has NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO second thoughts on enforcing things around here.

Start driving around with a metal wash bucket and a bag of cement between you and whoever you're hauling for. Might make them quicker to pay up lol