The Teens Have Voted [Archive] - Baywind Farm Horse Forum

JackieB

10-18-2008, 08:48 PM

I'm glad to see that teens are interested in who is/will be President, and what goes on in Washington. It's true that you will be the ones running the country in a short while, and I'm encouraged to see so much interest in the election this year.

Thanks for caring. If you're 18, I hope you've registered. If not, I hope you will vote at your first opportunity. It's very important that we all participate in our democracy, and it doesn't take much time to become informed and to vote.

And here's a dirty secret that no skilled politician would ever admit to regarding his/her party. Many politicians and organizers in their parties don't want you to vote. They hope you'll ignore politics because it's "boring" and "doesn't have anything to do with you". They hope you'll just listen to rap and hip-hop, text message each other, and shop for clothes or that first car. You know why? Probably you do. Because they are afraid that you won't vote for their candidate.

And you know what, that's dead wrong. I know that rocknK, Vicklynn, WB, and many others aren't going to vote for my favored Presidential candidate this November. But there is no way that I want them to stay home. Being able to vote in a democracy is a sacred privilege and I have a hard time holding my tongue when people tell me that they don't vote.

So I'm guessing that you will vote when you are able since you posted on, or are reading the thread. Please tell your friends to do the same. It's not cool to stay home when it's time to vote.

Dakota Sunrise

10-18-2008, 08:48 PM

Thank God there's more of US than them.........
PS When they drag their butts outa bed @ 5AM to go to WORK for a few years maybe their views will change!

I already get up at 5 am and work :P

I don't have to get up at 5 A.M. for my job, but I work too, Usually four days a week to support my horses and buy my own clothes, etc. I've been working since I was 14. My first job was waitressing at a small cafe, and I held that job for over a year and a half before quitting to come work at the clothing store my mom recently opened.

I think a lot of teenagers have jobs. I know there are some who don't work and don't want to and just let their parents pay for and do everything for them. But that isn't everyone, and you can't lump us all together and think every teen is lazy, ungrateful, and doesn't have a care in the world.

I don't know who I would vote for if I were old enough- I don't like either of the choices. but that is beside the point.

luv2show

10-18-2008, 08:57 PM

Amen Dakota! Well said.

laredo454

10-18-2008, 08:57 PM

I think a lot of teenagers have jobs. I know there are some who don't work and don't want to and just let their parents pay for and do everything for them. But that isn't everyone, and you can't lump us all together and think every teen is lazy, ungrateful, and doesn't have a care in the world.

Agree 100% with lizzy. Someone's not very found of teenagers, but that doesn't mean were all selfish, and lacking common sense. And it's not just teenagers who like Obama...

I personally don't like Obama myself.. for many reasons, but that's getting off topic.:nono:

Dakota Sunrise

10-18-2008, 09:10 PM

I honestly don't know who I would vote for.. this thread really got me thinking about it. I have a problem with voting for some one who won't say the Pledge of Alligiance and is a racist.. at least that's what my dad told me. And a lot of the things Obama is for, I'm.. well, not.:rolleyes:

But McCain definately does not impress me either. My dad says he will most likely end up starting a world war, and if that is the case then there is a very good chance that I will be fighting in it, though that is not the only reason I don't like him (I plan to enlist in the Air Force and become a Security Forces K9 handler when I'm older). If I do have to serve during war time, I just wish it was for something that I felt was actually worth fighting for. I wish it would be for a president I could be proud of, and be fighting for what I thought was right. But it probably won't be that way, so I'll just fight to defend the airmen, soldier, sailor, or marine standing next to me and not for the President and his beliefs.

My parents aren't sure who they're voting for yet. They're trying to decide who will do less damage.

zoel_222

10-18-2008, 09:19 PM

I completely agree with you Lizzy. I work to pay for my horses, my clothes, my food (fancy vegan stuff anyways which is like 75% of what I eat) and anything else I might need. I know there are a lot of lazy teenagers out there, but a lot of us work hard for what we have. It's not fair for adults to consider us all spoiled lazy kids who don't know how the world works simply because we're young.

I'd also like to add that I'd vote for Obama in a heartbeat. I think he has a very strong voice and really cares about the issues that matter to me. Blast being 16. I wish I could vote this year! :doh:

Dakota Sunrise

10-18-2008, 09:21 PM

Kaitlyn

10-18-2008, 10:31 PM

I'm not one of those teens!

My daddy always said those kids won't be democrat when they have to work and pay taxes to people who don't.

I'm voting for the McCain-Palin ticket.

TacheteTreasures

10-19-2008, 06:36 AM

I wake up at 4:30 five days a week for school, and then I walk to work and don't get home till 9 some days, then do homework. I also work at least one day on the weekend at 8, and if I dont work the other day I wake up early for a riding lesson. This, along with taking care of my share of the horses and other animals and riding 4 or 5 days a week on my horse and working on my moms horse.
I also would not vote before doing my research. I know more about the candidates then alot of adults that will be viting.
The UrVotesCount was really cool. They set up in malls, and if you wanted to go in and learn about the candidates you could, but nobody was pressuring you to do it. They had tons of information about the candidates and the issues, and educators that were completly non-biased when telling you about them.
So please, don't think of us teenagers badly because we are young and still dependent on our parents, because I know some adults that are still living with their parents, even though they could be out there working, they just choose an easy job or no job at all.

rocknK

10-19-2008, 06:42 AM

TT, you keep up the good work. Attitude & elbow grease will take you far in this world!

FatSpottedAppy

10-19-2008, 08:09 AM

Ehh, I find it pretty offensive that the "adults" are lumping the teens together as lazy kids. It's not fair. Personally I would vote for Obama, there are many negative things I have to say about McCain but I'm not going to bring them to this thread.

WashingtonBay

10-19-2008, 08:35 AM

I know that rocknK, Vicklynn, WB, and many others aren't going to vote for my favored Presidential candidate this November. But there is no way that I want them to stay home.

I believe you... and that's why I'm glad you keep reminding me about election day coming up on Nov 5. :)

I think the kids on this forum are remarkable. I wouldn't insult a single one of them. They continue to impress me with their hard work and maturity. I just also know that it's fairly common for us to start out fairly liberal and become more conservative with age. So it's encouraging that they are only starting out around 60%. By the time they're 30, the Republicans will have picked up at least half of them. :D

JackieB

10-19-2008, 09:53 AM

I believe you... and that's why I'm glad you keep reminding me about election day coming up on Nov 5. :)

:trout:

Oh you're hilarious, WB!!!!

We do have a fantastic group of young people on this forum. I sure hope that as many as possible will stay with us throughout their adulthood, too. Even if it's only to post a few times of year with an update on their lives. I know things change a lot when we go to college, the service, whatever, get married, embark on demanding careers, start families, and so on.

One of the many exciting things about the Baywind Farm Forum is that it seems to me that it can remain a stable presence for potentially decades to come.

mtnmollie

10-19-2008, 09:55 AM

Ehh, I find it pretty offensive that the "adults" are lumping the teens together as lazy kids. It's not fair.

Not me.

:cowboy:

WashingtonBay

10-19-2008, 10:03 AM

:D - Thanks Jackie :D I'm looking forward to our stable, in addition to our stable presence!

cloedoll

10-19-2008, 10:57 AM

Rocknk, you would be surprised how many teenagers want to work, but aren't old enough to. Before I moved to Pennsylvania I babysat (I know you are a parent and do that and more everyday), but at the time I was eleven and I got up everyday at 5:00AM and babysat three kids from 6AM to 6PM everyday of my summer - that was the only job I could get and I was willing to give up my summer for it because I wanted to work! I babysat a lot of other kids, too...Lol, I still want to, but I have checked everywhere in my area and there aren't any jobs that will hire a fourteen year old.

Anyways, I participated in that online voting for kids thing, a lot of schools make you do it...you don't need to convince me JackieB, when I turn 18, I'm voting! (:

WashingtonBay

10-19-2008, 11:00 AM

cloedoll

10-19-2008, 11:02 AM

Do kids still do paper routes? I had a paper route I did on my bike... 50-60 papers, a couple miles through a local neighborhood on my bike, usually done in an hour... in summer I'd do it on my horse sometimes, when it was still an afternoon paper.

They did in Hawai'i! Haha, I was going to take that job, but you had to be fourteen, I was only thirteen - go figure. No babies/toddlers around my area that need babysat, they're all teenagers near me. And because they are all teenagers and they have been in this neighborhood forever, they have already taken up jobs for other neighbors (mowing the grass, etc.). To answer your question, nope, no paper routes. =/

rocknK

10-19-2008, 11:14 AM

Cloe, It seems with your computer skills you might be able to find something to do in that field. Seems like most of the IT folks I run into are barely out of their teens. Good luck.

cloedoll

10-19-2008, 11:18 AM

Cloe, It seems with your computer skills you might be able to find something to do in that field. Seems like most of the IT folks I run into are barely out of their teens. Good luck.

I have yet to find anything, not that would allow me at the age of fourteen anyways. If I did find something, of course I would look into it. xD

rocknK

10-19-2008, 11:25 AM

You'd be suprised how often volunteer work turns into paid work. Try to enjoy your teen years, you'll be working soon enough.

FatSpottedAppy

10-19-2008, 12:09 PM

I'm also one of those kids that'd love to work but my Mom wont let me get a job until I get my license which I'm working hard at getting. :)

missdixie

10-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Now if only the teens would acutally VOTE when they turn 18, there is so much voter apathy with the younger crowd, and we have such good ideas!

zoel_222

10-20-2008, 04:51 PM

Well this is one teen who is definitely voting first chance I get!

FatSpottedAppy

10-20-2008, 05:04 PM

^^ Same. :)

Tiz

10-20-2008, 06:25 PM

Personally, I'd rather people didn't vote if they don't know the issues, or get all their info from TV commercials. Voting is a sacred right, but if you aren't any more engaged then that, well, just never mind.

As far as lazy teenagers are concerned, unless your parents pick up your slack, you can't be lazy if you own a horse. You couldn't ask for a better teacher of life's lessons then a trusty steed.

TacheteTreasures

10-20-2008, 06:32 PM

Very true tiz. There is no rule that say's campain commercials need to be truthful

JackieB

10-20-2008, 06:47 PM

Personally, I'd rather people didn't vote if they don't know the issues, or get all their info from TV commercials. Voting is a sacred right, but if you aren't any more engaged then that, well, just never mind.

Unfortunately, the real negative campaigning began to be quite effective when voters decided that they didn't have time to carefully examine the issues. I've seen it so often in the last several election cycles. Someone will "parrot" a sound bite that I know either isn't true, or is a gross misrepresentation of what anyone with common sense would know to be true by just searching a bit more and comparing facts. But if you ask why feel this way, you won't get the true answer, which is that the tv commercial told me that I should hold this opinion.

As long as a substantial number of voters are unmovitated enough to simply believe what they are told, those insulting commercials are here to stay.

Annasmom

10-20-2008, 06:55 PM

If it were up to America's Teens, Obama would be the next president.

and that is precisely why teens shouldn't vote.

i'd choose to vote Mccain simply to vote against Obama.

GrungeEquestrian

10-20-2008, 07:08 PM

I am in Dakota's shoes when it would come to voting. Personally I am not a huge fan of either candidates, but life issues are a major thing for me which I why I couldn't see myself voting for Obama. When it comes to teens I think there are a lot that have more sense on voting than many adults. A lot of people don't take the time to look at the issues and HOW that certain runner is going to solve it. There are a lot of promises made at debates but very little knowledge on how they expect to accomplish such acts. Today it seems its like a high school president election...more people vote for the person how had the best stickers and promised no homework days even though they don't have the power to do that on their own. The same thing works with the presidents....truly they may want to lower or higher taxes but its up to 2/3 of Congress whether or not they can. One of the great things about our country is not one person has too much power!

FredRock

10-20-2008, 07:24 PM

Thank God there's more of US than them.........:doh:
PS When they drag their butts outa bed @ 5AM to go to WORK for a few years maybe their views will change!

Wow, a little bit of negativity there, no? I've dragged my butt out of bed at 5am for six years to go to school where I don't get paid and my time is wasted on things I won't use in the real world, yet I'm expected to apply to college with a ton of experience in life.

Many jobs that are available at barns I am looked over for because school limits the hours that I can work. I couldn't work anywhere "legally" for a while because many places don't want to mess around with teens under 16. Even at 17 I can only work 3 1/2 hours during school days, and then 5/6 hours on non school days because I'm still a minor. I would work more if I could, but I can't. I've worked for four years at horse barns off the books and paid my parents money every month for board for my horses.

My views that are solid won't change, there are other things that will change as I learn more. I want someone to actually bring back common sense to the government; unfortunately no one in the running can do that, IMHO.

rocknK

10-20-2008, 08:23 PM

Nothing negative, just a simple statement. Working for a living makes a person wary of folks who want to "spread the wealth around".

missdixie

10-20-2008, 08:30 PM

Nothing negative, just a simple statement. Working for a living makes a person wary of folks who want to "spread the wealth around".
Hmm... I work for a living and I'm more apt to be wary about someone who can't even keep track of their own wealth ( HOW many houses do you have? :huh:) much less manage the finances of a whole country.... :p Just thought I'd throw that one in there and stir the pot ;)

missdixie

10-20-2008, 08:33 PM

Wow, a little bit of negativity there, no? I've dragged my butt out of bed at 5am for six years to go to school where I don't get paid and my time is wasted on things I won't use in the real world, yet I'm expected to apply to college with a ton of experience in life.

Many jobs that are available at barns I am looked over for because school limits the hours that I can work. I couldn't work anywhere "legally" for a while because many places don't want to mess around with teens under 16. Even at 17 I can only work 3 1/2 hours during school days, and then 5/6 hours on non school days because I'm still a minor. I would work more if I could, but I can't. I've worked for four years at horse barns off the books and paid my parents money every month for board for my horses.

My views that are solid won't change, there are other things that will change as I learn more. I want someone to actually bring back common sense to the government; unfortunately no one in the running can do that, IMHO.

Right now your school IS your job, and if you are working hard to make grades and do well in school, you are doing your job just like those of us who are out in the "real world" making a living with a 9-5. I would never discount your opinions because of your age :)

rocknK

10-20-2008, 08:51 PM

After you get 4 or 5 houses they get hard to keep track of...........:p

missdixie

10-20-2008, 09:23 PM

I know, must be nice! Aaahhhh, if only... I can just picture it now :innocent:

Sundays Man

10-21-2008, 01:22 PM

Please take note teenagers. If your man gets in office pay VERY CLOSE attention to how things work out for ya. It will be a great object lesson in learning from your mistakes.:p

cloedoll

10-21-2008, 01:34 PM

Please take note teenagers. If your man gets in office pay VERY CLOSE attention to how things work out for ya. It will be a great object lesson in learning from your mistakes.:p

Maybe it won't be a mistake, why are teenagers always thought to be making wrong decisions? Lol. ;) There isn't a perfect candidate and again, teenagers might actually like the candidate they wanted to win. =P They might not like everything about the candidate, but overall they could be happy with their choice. Kinda like parents, we don't always hear what we want to from them, we don't always like what they make us do, but overall we like them.

Sundays Man

10-21-2008, 01:51 PM

Maybe it won't be a mistake, why are teenagers always thought to be making wrong decisions? Lol. ;) There isn't a perfect candidate and again, teenagers might actually like the candidate they wanted to win. =P They might not like everything about the candidate, but overall they could be happy with their choice. Kinda like parents, we don't always hear what we want to from them, we don't always like what they make us do, but overall we like them.

That wasn't to just teens. Teens won't be the ones voting the candidates in. Maybe it won't be a mistake. Everything I've seen points to a mistake IMHO. We keep giving the govt. control over things they have no business in and we will be just another European socialist country. Right back where we started from at the Boston Tea Party. We definately need change, but change can be bad or change can be good. I guess it depends on what you want. Like Jefferson said, "a government strong enough to give you everything is a govrenment strong enough to take everything". My emphasis added.

By the way. I don't think teens ALWAYS make the wrong decisions. I was a teenager once and I did make a lot of wrong decisions based on inexperience and philosophies. But I made some pretty good decisions too. Now that I'm older, I make a lot of wrong decisions based on inexperience and philosophies, but I make some good ones too.:)

cloedoll

10-21-2008, 01:52 PM

Well I guess I assumed you were directing that to teens because of the way you started it, mah bad. I know we aren't the ones voting, well not the ones under eighteen, heh. I was just saying. =P

Sundays Man

10-21-2008, 01:58 PM

Well I guess I assumed you were directing that to teens because of the way you started it, mah bad. I know we aren't the ones voting, well not the ones under eighteen, heh. I was just saying. =P

Naaah, just wanted yall to be paying attention, no matter who wins the election. I just am afraid of the things I see coming and you guys are the ones that will have to deal with it.

Sundays Man

10-21-2008, 02:02 PM

Hmm... I work for a living and I'm more apt to be wary about someone who can't even keep track of their own wealth ( HOW many houses do you have? :huh:) much less manage the finances of a whole country.... :p Just thought I'd throw that one in there and stir the pot ;)

Tells me those houses aren't a priority. He is the member of a wealthy family and he doesn't seem to be too concerned about how many houses they may have. I think he has other priorities in life other than how many houses his family owns. Investment property is not a bad thing. Real estate has historically been a good investment. And even if it isn't real estate investments, it's none of my dang business. His family's money after all. I don't begrudge anyone for having more than one house. More power to them. I hope they get 100.

TacheteTreasures

10-21-2008, 04:47 PM

So did anyone here vote in the urvotescount thing?

JackieB

10-21-2008, 04:50 PM

Please take note teenagers. If your man gets in office pay VERY CLOSE attention to how things work out for ya. It will be a great object lesson in learning from your mistakes.:p

First off, some of the teens (perhaps even many on this forum) aren't Obama supporters. Secondly, you're hilarious, Sundays Man. Just a laugh a minute. :p:p:p:p:p:p

Sundays Man

10-21-2008, 06:13 PM

First off, some of the teens (perhaps even many on this forum) aren't Obama supporters. Secondly, you're hilarious, Sundays Man. Just a laugh a minute. :p:p:p:p:p:p

Why thank you JackieB. Not "esq" this time I hope. However, I did say in a later post that they should be paying attention "no matter who wins". I have to admit, we don't have the best choices this election. We need radical change in Washington, I'm just not ready or comfortable with H/M Obama's plans. I might also add that even though there are McCain supporters amoung our youth, there are far more Obama fans I think in the same age group. Must be the rock star thing going on. If more of our usually non voting younger folks show up at the poles, Obama is a shoe in to say the least. My son is an Obama supporter, God bless him. I don't know where Diane and I went wrong.http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sad/sad0049.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net):p:pback at ya. LOL

Kaitlyn

10-21-2008, 06:28 PM

Sundays Man...

I love how you think.

We have many houses because of being successful, not because we have money. My dad flips and rents or sells. Right now we have 3? or so in his name because he buys them cheap and can manage the mortgage.

So, why begrudge Mccain for having so many houses? After all, he is wealthy and so is his wife.

MyHorseBiggs

10-22-2008, 10:08 AM

LOL! I'm glad us teen's can't vote! :p

MyHorseBiggs

10-22-2008, 10:13 AM

I have to admit, we don't have the best choices this election.

I agree with you on that I think the only person I really like is Pailin.

Horserider

10-22-2008, 05:20 PM

As a teen I have to say I'm glad America's teens don't decide the vote. I don't believe anyone in my grade would be ready to vote....ever. The worst part of that is it's not just America's teens that are voting for Obama it's the majority of America. Obama's ahead. Or at least he was last I heard.

Anyone know the cost of a plane ticket to Australia? :cowboy:

zoel_222

10-22-2008, 06:00 PM

I agree with you on that I think the only person I really like is Pailin.

I can't stand Palin. I met her in person twice. I went to school with her oldest daughter back in Juneau. That woman is an emotional ditz who is struggling to take control of Alaska. If she can't take care of a state (or her FAMILY for that matter) how can she take control of a country? my two cents anyways. But I'm sure you all feel the same way about Obama....

JackieB

10-22-2008, 06:23 PM

Never mind.

zoel_222

10-22-2008, 06:29 PM

Sorry JackieB. I didn't think that word was one of the "no-nos" :rolleyes: She really is, though.

Sundays Man

10-22-2008, 07:03 PM

Sorry JackieB. I didn't think that word was one of the "no-nos" :rolleyes: She really is, though.

In your humble opinion, maybe. But don't worry. You have a right to your opinion. We gonna luv ya know matter what. Politics is an importan issue, but it shouldn't be the determining factor of who is or isn't our friends.

JackieB

10-22-2008, 07:19 PM

Sorry JackieB. I didn't think that word was one of the "no-nos" :rolleyes: She really is, though.

Thanks, Zoe. Very classy. I don't know that it was a "no-no" word or anything. I just think it reflects positively on a person when he/she is able to express thoughts about others, even negative ones, in a really civil manner. Certainly millions of people in our country have lost sight of this, and I respect their right to say what they wish, but I think it's unfortunate.

Thanks for your consideration, though. Best regards to Duck Duck!