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Vacker Hast

05-13-2009, 04:38 AM

I'm not a trainer so I'm sure other people will come on and give you some really good advise.

I would work with him undersaddle with the different gaits in an areana doing large circles and have him slowly start working off his hindquarters. It just takes a lot of wet blankets and work on one gait at a time until he gets it down such as his trot then move on to his canter.

Once he starts picking up a nice trot let him go with it and praise him but once he's done it a few times and carries himself properly he will begin to notice the difference. Then if he goes back to that choppy trot stop him and start him again until he knows that's what you always want. Same thing at the canter.

I hope some of the trainers will come on and give you some better advise. Good luck!!!

Stacy

WashingtonBay

05-13-2009, 06:28 AM

Dressage should not have made him choppy or rough... But it may have made him move bigger.

If the trouble is that he's too fast at say... the trot, that can be collected and slowed and made more tolerable...

It could just be he's a bouncy horse and it's just the way he's made. :)

gaited07

05-13-2009, 06:42 AM

There are some horses that are more smooth than others but one thing that you can work on is collection and working that hindquarters. I'm not saying that will make him smoother, but usually collection will round them up for a more comfortable ride.
I agree with WB on the Dressage and his gaits, it has no barring.

Just to say, when you ride our QH mare who's gaits are short, choppy and ROUGH!!
Dixie is my husbands and daughters horse and when they ride, they just pretty much enjoy the ride, when I have to ride her, I do collect her up which does make her gaits a little more tolerable but then get on Chip who just glides along and has the most comfortable, collected, rocking chair canter, all I can say is WOOOOWWW that's the way to ride;)!

JackieB

05-13-2009, 08:01 AM

Collection. It takes a year or two to achieve, but that's what did it for me and Buster. He wasn't too rough beforehand, but now he is smooth as silk.

Country Girl 43

05-13-2009, 08:33 AM

Well, if Chy can continue riding him the way he is she will be able to ride anything! He is not a smooth horse by any means! Even his walk is BIG. The trot isn't too bad, but his lope almost unseats me!!! Dallas is really a Cadillac compared to Joe and Missy is like riding on a cloud. :)

I guess I am going to have to find a good trainer for this one.

Chy never noticed it till last weekend when she rode Missy, then switched to Joe. "Mom, Joe rocks alot when you ride him!" :hysterical:

Horseaholic

05-13-2009, 03:52 PM

The two horses I rode during lessons at my old barn were totally different. One was a hunter/jumper and the other dressage. Gaston (dressage) had such BIG movement to him whenever I got on Baxter (H/J) he was like butter. Every time I rode Gaston after riding Baxter I felt like he was going to shoot me to the sky. ;) It may just be the way joes built or the training or even both. Good luck tho :)

Cat

05-13-2009, 03:56 PM

For some horses - its just the way they are built. I can't ride my husband's horse - he is way too rough. He hopped on my haflinger one time (sorta funny seeing a 6'4 guy on a 13.3 hand pony) but he was like WOW - so smooth. LOL.

Miracle Whip

05-13-2009, 06:18 PM

Miracle Whip

05-13-2009, 06:23 PM

Dressage horses have many different trots. Medium trot for the intro level for example. It should not be an issue to get him to slow down at all. I am pretty sure he's been asked to do a medium trot. The issues are more likely going to be the bit, the saddle, and your seat position.

Country Girl 43

05-14-2009, 08:33 AM

Miracle Whip....it doesn't matter if we know how to ride English or Western...the basics are still the same. And Joe has been riding Western and he has done Dressage. He has a BIG walk as I mentioned before.

Everyone else, thanks. :) I will try working on collection, but it might also be just the way he is. We will see. Like I said, if Chy can ride Joe in all gaits the way he is she will definatley be able to ride any horse...LOL. If I remember correctly, Ladybird was not a smooth horse and Chy loved riding her.

Miracle Whip

05-14-2009, 08:28 PM

Do you know half halts? Do you know how to ride him with contact on the reins and to wiggle your thumbs? Do you trot him in small circles and do half halts? There is more difference between the two than you might think.

Miracle Whip

05-14-2009, 08:30 PM

And you never did tell me what bit you are using.

gaited07

05-15-2009, 02:42 PM

Wow MW you just don't stop do you?

I don't think CG wants your input on this subject especially as mean as you are.

It looks like your seeking out Country Girl 43's threads to start trouble with her, WHY? She did nothing to you, why would you be so mean? Or is it just you?

BalooEyes

05-15-2009, 04:44 PM

I think MW has good points, but they should have been stated a bit more... politely and respectfully.

The aids between disciplines can differ greatly. for example, I've only ever ridden english (training has been dressage) and so my friend put me on her VERY western trained horse and the poor thing and I had some major communication issues because of the way he was trained and the way I was trained.

If your horse has gone from dressage (what level?) where he is used to contact in the leg and hands most all the time, to western (pleasure?) where his reins are left long with little contact and no collection, he's probably very confused. He's used to be asked for a nice big trot and you want him to jog.

If that is the case (probably is), it will just take time for either you to adjust to his dressage way of going, or for him to adjust to your western expectation of him. It was the same with me and Baloo. he was a trail horse, and had the "smooth" western gaits. It took a while for me to train it out of him so that he now takes up a bigger trot more useful to me at a hunter pace, lol. He collects and lifts his front end now. We're still working some things out and its been a year, so it could be a long path for both of you to adjust.

Miracle Whip

05-15-2009, 09:34 PM

I think she asked how she could get the horse to have better gaits. So far she has not taken any of our suggestions, so what is the point of having this thread?

Vacker Hast

05-16-2009, 05:59 AM

Kristy has already stated she is going to work on "collection" with him and he has a "Big Walk" so collection is the best place to start no matter if it's Western or English!!!

MW, YOUR ADVISE IS NO LONGER NEEDED NOR ARE YOUR QUESTIONS ON THIS THREAD!!!

Stacy

AppyLover

05-16-2009, 08:22 AM

Hay CG,

I understand about riding a “rough” horse. Abby has a lot of big movement for such a little horse and if I don’t keep her focused on me she can get quite bouncing in a jarring sort of way. I think those that mentioned collection are on the right track for you. Get him to round up a bit more and he should smooth out a little.

Horses are built differently though my horse is more of the “ATV” type horse :cowboy: and I don’t expect her to be a “Cadillac” but with work she has improved her floating trot and over long hauls she is remarkably easy to ride despite her pogo stick movement at times.

(And on a side note everyone already knows of a certain someone who enjoys making others miserable :rolleyes:, just ignore them, life is happier that way). :D

carla

05-16-2009, 08:29 AM

I agree with the collection work and just taking time to work on it. I do want to sympathize with you, though. A guy I used to date-- one of his horses was this tall, lanky painted-up "pony." He was a great horse, but when you did anything faster than a walk on him it felt like he had six legs under there! :eek: LOL!

gaited07

05-16-2009, 08:48 AM

Actually MW, Country girl has taken all advice and chose what works for her and her horses without your negativity or snottiness.
And I believe CG already stated that she DOES NOT want your comments or off handed suggestions on her threads. (even the pony thing!)

Miracle Whip

05-16-2009, 12:53 PM

Dakota Sunrise

05-16-2009, 08:27 PM

Well, if Chy can continue riding him the way he is she will be able to ride anything!

People have told me the same thing about Beauty. I'm not that great of a rider so maybe it's just me, but her rough gaits do drive me insane! She makes Dakota feel sooooooo smooth in comparison.

He is not a smooth horse by any means! Even his walk is BIG. The trot isn't too bad, but his lope almost unseats me!!!

I so know how you feel! I spent all of last summer and fall teaching Beauty the concept of "easy trot" and she finally got it... only to forget it over the winter.:doh::rolleyes: So now I'm back to reteaching it to her, although she's picking up on it way faster this time around.
However, her lope is absolutely insane :crazy:, and does unseat me- it takes everything I have just to stay in the saddle sometimes! It makes me feel pretty pathetic, I have to admit.:( So yeah, I know exactly how you feel.

Unfortunately I have no training advice for you since I have the same problem with Beauty. If you discover any methods that work for Joe, let me know! I'm always open to new suggestions to try on Beauty!:D

Chy never noticed it till last weekend when she rode Missy, then switched to Joe. "Mom, Joe rocks alot when you ride him!" :hysterical:

LOL, that's funny!:D:p

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 07:23 AM

First of all I have no idea why you think Dressage causes rough gaits. COLLECTION creates smooth gaits and that is what dressage teaches. My mare has much nicer gaits since I started taking dressage lessons. Are you saying his gaits are rough because you do not know how to ride English?

What bit are you using? Seriously, you need to work on getting Joe collected. He probably has no idea what western riding is all about, but you can use a snaffle bit and have him be collected in a western saddle. I don't like using an English saddle out on the road so I use my old Western saddle. You need to know how to go about asking for the collection. Take lessons.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/8/l_e3fd21bc625e4913bc77274c42757827.jpg

I HATE when people are so ignorant to assume that because you put a different saddle on a horse, he will magically become confuzzled and strung out.

All that horse needs is time and work. I don't care if they decide to ride him on a piece of newspaper.. the horse isn't going to know the difference.

Know what you're saying before you say it. That was extremely rude. We're talking about a really nice little gelding AND a little girls horse. ETA: Who happens to browse this forum

gaited07

05-17-2009, 09:26 AM

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/8/l_e3fd21bc625e4913bc77274c42757827.jpg

I HATE when people are so ignorant to assume that because you put a different saddle on a horse, he will magically become confuzzled and strung out.

All that horse needs is time and work. I don't care if they decide to ride him on a piece of newspaper.. the horse isn't going to know the difference.

Know what you're saying before you say it. That was extremely rude. We're talking about a really nice little gelding AND a little girls horse. ETA: Who happens to browse this forum

:clap::clap:Very nicely said!:clap::clap:

Miracle Whip

05-17-2009, 09:32 AM

WashingtonBay

05-17-2009, 09:35 AM

And the digging continues... ;)

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 09:35 AM

Difference being is that you, Badlands, know how to ride English and Western, Countrygirl43 does not. YOU can get a horse collected with ANY tack, which is what I was trying to say...?? Western riders often just sit in their western saddles like bags of potatoes and call it riding...

Exactly.. and did YOU see ME come in here and try to completely bash and disprespect someone who is asking questions?

YOU started a whole thread on lack of educational material on this forum. How do you expect someone to get any good advice about anything if people like you are here to stir the pot. But offer no constructive criticism. And by constructive I also mean educated.

Instead of stirring the pot with your stupid stick...go find a smart stick and whack yourself with it.

CG: I am working on a few ideas for you. I'll post them later or PM you.

WashingtonBay

05-17-2009, 09:48 AM

If you have advice, Badlands... don't hide it in private mail... I'd like to see it. :)

I have a feeling that some would have the same complaint/observation about Bay. He walks REALLY big. And his trot, even his slow-as-he-can jog trot, has a lot of air-time in it. He's just springy. He'll never be a daisy cutter. I actually find his trot awkward to post, because the "faster" he goes, the more 'air time' there is. It's easier for me to sit it.

But riding those big strides would be a challenge for a kid with a little seat. FWIW, I think she's doin' well with him in the video I saw... CG... You'll know when you no longer NEED to tell her to slow down. :)

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:02 AM

CG (and sorry for my interaction on your thread..but I had seen enough AND it's my day off so I have time to catch up on here)

I think she is a fine rider. And why would she be? She has a very talented mother as an instructor.

I can see a few things that would actually, and surprisingly, slow him down (before I get to the training stuff)

1) You are all still coping with lady bird. The way she rode. The way she moved and the way she felt.

2) This is a fairly young, but obviously smart and gentle natured little gelding who happens to be a big mover

3) Moms get mom nerves that feed off onto horses and kids

I would really build her confidence, and yours up as best you can right now. It would be safe to say, that every ride she rides she has memories still in the back of her mind. The horse might feed off of that. He might feel akward and unbalanced because he doesn't feel like she's "right there with him" the whole time they ride. So maybe telling her (or if you read this Chy) instead of thinking about how different he is.. think about how funny it worked out that this great horse came right when you needed him. And maybe Ladybird herself sent him to your family. Maybe he's trying pretty hard to live up to something that he'll never compare to, so he's a little flustered himself.

After dealing with that part of it, because horses are extremely sensitive to emotions whether positive or negative, we'll get down to a few ideas I have to get him moving at least a little slower at that jog.

Chy can work on his jog at home, if she's up to it. I would have her ride him on the rail of the arena. Ask him verbally for an "easy". Don't use whoa. Whoa means stop. Teach him "easy" and at the same time, pick up the rail rein (whichever is closet to the rail depending on your direction) and as soon as he slows down, release that pressure. You have to be good in your timing. You don't want to hold the pressure long enough for him to walk. But you want to get your point across. You use the rail rein because, considering how green he is, he may take using the inside rein as a request to turn. Everytime he slows down make a big party of it. A good boy, a pat, a wahoo.. whatever works ;) Eventually, all she will have to do is just ask for a little bit of "easy" and she'll get it. It doesn't mean he'll be smooth as butter. He might just not be that kinda guy. But it will help out tremendously.

MOM: You can work on the same thing at the lope. It's the exact same exercise except that, I have a 1, 2, 3 rule. I ask three clear, precise times (same way as the trot) for an easy. The fourth time I have to pick that rein up, it becomes a 1 rein stop and he has to stop and start all over. Once he's mastered the jog, the lope may come pretty easy.

As he progresses you can worry more about getting him in a frame and all of the technicalities. But for what he's intended for, I wouldn't expect to see him piaffe passaging between barrels lol, so don't take it like it's a do or die situation. Just do what it takes to make him a (more) comfortable ride.

gaited07

05-17-2009, 10:04 AM

miracle whip;
http://www.baywindfarm.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Tell me where to go!!!!!
I have never visited a dressage forum. It might be interesting. I know nothing about dressage other than what I've picked up recently, I know I can't give advise on it - thats for sure, unless its how to deal with a pony attititude!

And you give advice when you really know nothing?

I like Badlands idea, Instead of stirring the pot with your stupid stick...go find a smart stick and whack yourself with it. (numerous times because once is not going to get it with you!):whack::whack::whack:

Badlands,
Please post your ideas so we all can learn (those who want to learn, can) I would love to see it.;)

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:13 AM

And you give advice when you really know nothing?

I like Badlands idea, Instead of stirring the pot with your stupid stick...go find a smart stick and whack yourself with it. (numerous times because once is not going to get it with you!):whack::whack::whack:

Badlands,
Please post your ideas so we all can learn (those who want to learn, can) I would love to see it.;)

I went ahead and posted it.. but you ninja posted me! lol It's right above your post.

Cat

05-17-2009, 10:24 AM

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:26 AM

Wow - I think some of MW's earlier posts were legit questions to get to the base of the issue. Anyone else would have posted them, I doubt there would have been such a response. MW may not be my favorite person, but I do think certain people jump all over her when its not necissary, due to their personal feelings toward her. Leaves a very sour taste in my mouth when I read a thread like this and its NOT MW's posts that are doing it.

Come back in a few.. I'm going to go multi quote all the times she called CG a bad parent... a bad teacher... dissed her kids, gave uneducated advice and other things. So you're darn right I got mad. I hardly make it on this forum and I try my best to keep up. I've not really had much interaction with MW.. but that drew the line for me. Especially when there is a little girl who visits this forum involved. She had NOTHING constructive to say because she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about.. there.. I said it.

Cat

05-17-2009, 10:29 AM

Seriously? And you think this is going to help the situation how? Now you are just being childish.

gaited07

05-17-2009, 10:30 AM

:rolleyes:Your kidding, right?

If she would have presented herself in a less attacking way, I'm sure EVERYONE would have not said nothing, however MW always has a neg. response to everyone's threads.

Regardless of my feels on her, right is right and she was out of line with her comments to others on this forum and yes, ME! What is nice is that others see it too sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm sorry you feel this way.

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:30 AM

First of all I have no idea why you think Dressage causes rough gaits. COLLECTION creates smooth gaits and that is what dressage teaches. My mare has much nicer gaits since I started taking dressage lessons. Are you saying his gaits are rough because you do not know how to ride English?

What bit are you using? Seriously, you need to work on getting Joe collected. He probably has no idea what western riding is all about, but you can use a snaffle bit and have him be collected in a western saddle. I don't like using an English saddle out on the road so I use my old Western saddle. You need to know how to go about asking for the collection. Take lessons.

Dressage horses have many different trots. Medium trot for the intro level for example. It should not be an issue to get him to slow down at all. I am pretty sure he's been asked to do a medium trot. The issues are more likely going to be the bit, the saddle, and your seat position.

Do you know half halts? Do you know how to ride him with contact on the reins and to wiggle your thumbs? Do you trot him in small circles and do half halts? There is more difference between the two than you might think.

:p

And that's just in this thread... not to mention the thread on the lead line barrel race and many other threads.. oh and she also knows nothing about dressage, or any of this, from her OWN account...

So I really don't think I was out of line to tell her she needs to learn when to shut it.

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:32 AM

Seriously? And you think this is going to help the situation how? Now you are just being childish.

Nope.. I can actually say FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MONTHS (wahooo!!!!) I am NOT at the barn all day in 100 degree weather. So yes... I have time to do such things.

And I don't think my original response to her was any worse than how she treats anyone else.

And considering I do this for a living and that's not a hard thing to prove.... I think I have the right to come in and try to give REAL advice, like many others did, without having to weed through her nonsense...

Cat

05-17-2009, 10:35 AM

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm still not seeing it - but I do see a bunch of people ganging up on someone they don't like. Same crap that made me temporarily leave horse.com about a year before the blow up over there. Hell, I think its the same damn people involved too.

I've interacted with MW once I think.. and we actually just had a very legit debate on something or other. I don't "hate" anyone....

On top of that.. we had the thread BACK on topic.. and I gave my advice..which is now lost ... because someone else is stirring the pot again..so now CG won't see the response I had to spend all that time typing (not that I minded) due to the issue being ressurected.

I came in 4 pages or so in and said what I had to say. She responded, I responded, it was done.

So you should let it be done. Your cape is in the washing machine.

She starts this stuff... let her finish it.

Look up CG last vent about some issues at a horse show.. then come back and tell me, if you were a mother, you wouldn't take offense to that.

gaited07

05-17-2009, 10:42 AM

And I don't think my original response to her was any worse than how she treats anyone else.

And considering I do this for a living and that's not a hard thing to prove.... I think I have the right to come in and try to give REAL advice, like many others did, without having to weed through her nonsense...

I know I have learned some things from Badlands and respect her knowledge. I know that she is the real deal, but can not say that for the other nonsense.

Cat

05-17-2009, 10:51 AM

On top of that.. we had the thread BACK on topic.. and I gave my advice..which is now lost ... because someone else is stirring the pot again..so now CG won't see the response I had to spend all that time typing (not that I minded) due to the issue being ressurected.

Drama much? Your response is not lost - its still there and I'm sure CG will find it. Give her more credit than that.

I just voiced my opinion on the whole thing - just like several others have. In fact - I wasn't the first to make a comment after your post. In addition, I'm not the one who felt the need to do multiple quotes of things from earlier in the thread that I did not like. So don't blame me that your ever so precious response was "lost".

But you are right, I voiced my opinion - I'm done with this thread.

TheBadLands

05-17-2009, 11:17 AM

Drama much? Your response is not lost - its still there and I'm sure CG will find it. Give her more credit than that.

I just voiced my opinion on the whole thing - just like several others have. In fact - I wasn't the first to make a comment after your post. In addition, I'm not the one who felt the need to do multiple quotes of things from earlier in the thread that I did not like. So don't blame me that your ever so precious response was "lost".

But you are right, I voiced my opinion - I'm done with this thread.

I'd say get off your high horse...but you ride a Haffie :p

(that was meant to lighten the mood)

Cat

05-17-2009, 11:25 AM

I'd say get off your high horse...but you ride a Haffie :p

(that was meant to lighten the mood)

LOL ;)

Country Girl 43

05-17-2009, 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miracle Whip
First of all I have no idea why you think Dressage causes rough gaits. COLLECTION creates smooth gaits and that is what dressage teaches. My mare has much nicer gaits since I started taking dressage lessons. Are you saying his gaits are rough because you do not know how to ride English?

What bit are you using? Seriously, you need to work on getting Joe collected. He probably has no idea what western riding is all about, but you can use a snaffle bit and have him be collected in a western saddle. I don't like using an English saddle out on the road so I use my old Western saddle. You need to know how to go about asking for the collection. Take lessons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miracle Whip
Dressage horses have many different trots. Medium trot for the intro level for example. It should not be an issue to get him to slow down at all. I am pretty sure he's been asked to do a medium trot. The issues are more likely going to be the bit, the saddle, and your seat position.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miracle Whip
Do you know half halts? Do you know how to ride him with contact on the reins and to wiggle your thumbs? Do you trot him in small circles and do half halts? There is more difference between the two than you might think.

Here's my response to all these..... http://booktalks.org/forums/images/smilies/ignore.gif

Badlands, thank you for the information. I have worked with Dallas on that... when he wasn't trying to take me off on the rail....:crazy:

I will have Chy work on that too. Joe has a VERY good "whoa". He almost sent me flying one time practicing the barrels. LOL we were loping back, I said "whoa" and he put on the brakes! So at least we know the brakes work! LOL

It's so funny, I always thought Dallas had a choppy walk/trot, but he is as smooth as glass compared to Joe. When I ride Joe at a walk, I feel like I am on an amuzement park ride. :crazy: LOL

I appreciate everyones "helpful" information. And all the kind words about my kids and myself! THANK YOU!!! :clap:

cheval

05-17-2009, 12:06 PM

Make sure you are relaxed when you are riding. I know Solon will get choppy if I start tensing up. Then, I release my lower back and sort of become one with him and it really smooths out.

On the other hand there are some horses out there with just horrible gaits to ride and there's not much fixing them. Good luck!

ETA: Well crap Country- I went back to read the other posts. Sorry you had such crappy responses.

Wanted to add, choppy gaits can also be a result of the horse being out of whack. Just a thought but maybe have a chiro out if you have that availability.

Country Girl 43

05-17-2009, 12:38 PM

Thanks Cheval. :) I am usually pretty relaxed on Joe and I know Chy is too. Dallas is the one I get nervous on. LOL

I did notice Joe was a "little" smoother last night.... when I was able to ride him. Seemed like when his mind was "everywhere" else, he had a much smoother walk???

cheval

05-17-2009, 12:39 PM

Maybe 'he's' too focused and he's not the one relaxed enough? Does he seem choppy everywhere or just in the arena?

Country Girl 43

05-17-2009, 01:56 PM

He's choppy everywhere. In the arena and on the trail. I notice it at the walk... BIG walk and my hips are rocking so far back and forth. The only way to explain his walk is if you have ever been White Water Rafting.

His lope is long but not smooth. I have always liked riding a loping horse, but with Joe I felt like I was going to be launched into the wild blue yonder. LOL

I used to lope and gallop Ladybird bareback in the arena, just to show off to the kids..LOL There is no way I could do that on Joe. Riding him bareback is completely out of the question right now. :)

Palogal

05-17-2009, 03:36 PM

CG it sounds like it could also be a strength and balance issue. Just like a person who is out of shape will run like an elephant, a horse that lacks conditioning and muscle will as well. If you think that may be the case trot poles will help and whatever conditioning you can do with him. My show gelding was rough rough rough when I started him back to work this spring. Now, two months and lots of muscle later he's quite smooth and balanced.

cheval

05-17-2009, 04:45 PM

Good answer!

Country Girl 43

05-17-2009, 05:14 PM

Thanks everyone. I will work with him on these things this week. Have to start riding at night since it is 105 degrees here now. I can get some morning riding in, but I am not really a morning person... LOL

moka

05-17-2009, 05:39 PM

Isn't he quite young too? Like only 5 or am I not remembering it right.

Country Girl 43

05-17-2009, 05:48 PM

Yep Joe is a 5 yr old. He is either one heck of a great horse or has had extensive training at some point. He is so much easier to work with than my 5 yr old Dallas...LOL

Miracle Whip

05-17-2009, 10:03 PM

Thans you CAT for sticking up for me. I am taking riding lessons from a MEREDITH MANOR graduate, I personally think she is a very knowledgeable person. I don't compete at Badland's level and probably never will but I do what I can with what I've got.

The things I said are things her and I work on. If she's a lesser teacher than Badlands oh well.

Miracle Whip

05-17-2009, 10:08 PM

Badlands, any particular reason you did not recommend half halts when Joe probably already knows them?

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05-18-2009, 08:09 AM

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Thans you CAT for sticking up for me. I am taking riding lessons from a MEREDITH MANOR graduate, I personally think she is a very knowledgeable person. I don't compete at Badland's level and probably never will but I do what I can with what I've got.

The things I said are things her and I work on. If she's a lesser teacher than Badlands oh well.
Badlands, any particular reason you did not recommend half halts when Joe probably already knows them?

:rolleyes:Oh well!:deadhorse::crazy::puke:here's the stick again:whack:MW, we going to need change back for your:2cents:worth:banghead:you really don't get it:banghead::deadhorse:

natisha

05-18-2009, 01:07 PM

Badlands, any particular reason you did not recommend half halts when Joe probably already knows them? Whole books have been written just on how to perform a half halt. I believe Badlands did tell her what to do by lifting the outside rein to slow him & collect him. It can be very hard to describe a training method in writing. Her advice was right on.

CG- I had a horse come in who would jar your teeth out she was so rough. She had been 'trained' as a 'kick & go'. I found it was easier to ride her bareback with a big fat baby snaffle as I could really drive her butt under herself better. She turned out nice but needs tune-ups now & then as her rider doesn't ride her correctly IMO.
Don't give up, you'll figure it out

TheBadLands

05-18-2009, 01:21 PM

Whole books have been written just on how to perform a half halt. I believe Badlands did tell her what to do by lifting the outside rein to slow him & collect him. It can be very hard to describe a training method in writing. Her advice was right on.

CG- I had a horse come in who would jar your teeth out she was so rough. She had been 'trained' as a 'kick & go'. I found it was easier to ride her bareback with a big fat baby snaffle as I could really drive her butt under herself better. She turned out nice but needs tune-ups now & then as her rider doesn't ride her correctly IMO.
Don't give up, you'll figure it out

Thanks to you for your input....

"half halts" are often misunderstood and not correctly applied anyway....so I went with what I think would work with the issue at hand.... as far as MW is concerned...she is welcomed to come to my ranch anytime....., and ride one of my cow horses....then we'll go from there. I can fence and rate a cow bridleless... I've shown that here. If she has more to offer then that...she is MORE than welcome to come ride my horses anytime.

natisha

05-18-2009, 01:31 PM

Thanks to you for your input....

"half halts" are often misunderstood and not correctly applied anyway....so I went with what I think would work with the issue at hand.... as far as MW is concerned...she is welcomed to come to my ranch anytime....., and ride one of my cow horses....then we'll go from there. I can fence and rate a cow bridleless... I've shown that here. If she has more to offer then that...she is MORE than welcome to come ride my horses anytime. I wanna come ride your horses :cowboy: or at least try.:)

TheBadLands

05-18-2009, 01:36 PM

I wanna come ride your horses :cowboy: or at least try.:)
You are welcome ANYTIME!

http://floridahorsemanship.com

You'd be fine! Most of my horses rate and ride bridleless. And we have a open door policy ;)

Miracle Whip

05-18-2009, 01:48 PM

TheBadLands

05-18-2009, 01:51 PM

I give up. Its just not worth it anymore to try to make myself understood here.

And in case anyone ever reads this, there were some snotty comments about I should ride my husband's horse...which I do, quite often. The previous owner, a TWH breeder, is going to be helping us with WHIP this summer.

I honestly dont care what you do.....bits and saddles don't fix horses.

Perhaps I am a bit oversensitive..... but after what Ive lost today....people like you make me even more sick to my stomach

Horseaholic

05-18-2009, 02:14 PM

CG - with my lesson horse Gaston (dressage) he would realllyyyy listen to my seat and leg. When I started to feel like his trot was SUPER choppy I always (unknowingly) tensed up and tried to post with him almost faster to try to make up for the choppiness. Id feel like I was going to come flying right off the horses back. (I'm still a beginner- chy may even be a better rider than me ;) ) but when my teacher would say calm down and sit your butt down it really helped with the choppiness. If I would just whoa to myself and sit my butt back (really sit on my back pockets) he would considerably smooth out on me. Just a suggestion from a beginner here. :)