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[lisakaye]

Content removed by request (post 47 and it's vicinity)


(http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html)

[shewasmyshadow]

Amen, sister!! I couldn't agree more. *sniff, sniff*

She holds herself with poise and professionalism in the company of those far older than herself.

This one in particular was true for me. Because I boarded my horse I was in barns with 30 yr old's when I was like 12. I paid my board out of pocket just like all the other ladies in the barn. $300/mo wasn't easy to come by for someone too young to do a "real job". I had to babysit like a crazy woman and when I couldn't do it my parents ALWAYS gladly pitched it.

I know it was God who put horses in my life and parents that knew it was important, but everything you said was true for me since I was 8 yrs old. Horses are worth investing in for your child. :)

[TheBadLands]

*tears*

*shakes fist*

Darn you!

:grouphug:

[PoniesRock101]

OMG!!!I just love this poem, it always make sme smile. I only wish I could get it to work on my parents... :( a friend told me I should print it out and leave in on the table! LOL :P

[Gypsy Rose]

So very true...

[lisakaye]

I printed it and left it on my daughter's table today.

[peace_baby]

It's beautiful! *sniff*

:)

[jeezitsjacki]

thats great, and very true. my mom always used to complain because I was spending too much time at the barn, and one day my instructor asked my mom "well would you want her to be at a barn helping and learning, or at a party or with bad people drinking and other activities"

[sugarsgirl]

That was so nice. I just e-mailed that to both of my parent's work e-mails and thanked them and told them how greatful I am of them for letting me do my horse thing :)

[KCandAllegro'sMom]

Thats awesome ....and so true. I know that horses kept me out of a lot of trouble as a teenager!

[Country Girl 43]

That is soooo VERY true! Thanks for posting that.
Did you write it?

It's truely lovely and one of the reasons I got my kids into horses even though we don't have our own property. I grew up with horses and know ALL the rewards from doing so.

[alittleoffkey]

Because my daughter grew up with horses she understands the value of money. Every dollar can be translated into bales of hay, bags of feed or farrier visits.

I translated an unreasonable $16 purchase into bales of hay in class last semester, and amused everyone. :D

I love that essay! It's definitely one of the truest things circling the internet. :)

[rockyridge]

thanks for posting that......

[Vibe]

I am a high school drop out with wild colored hair. Ooooh I must be trouble.:rolleyes:

[jeezitsjacki]

gazette thats not what anyone is saying, hopefully you wont take this the wrong way, or what I said. I believe she is just trying to say how much a girl can learn from horses and how it teaches you many life values :) im sure you can relate to that and how much dolly taught you

[Steelhorserider]

So very, very true...thanks so much for sharing.

[elevenelevenxo]

I started thinking about some the girls we knew in our town who were already pregnant, pierced in several places, hair every color under the sun, drop outs, drug addicts and on the fast track to no where, seeking surface identities because they had no inner self esteem.

I'm with Gazette here....I find this offensive. I have had my hair dyed every color under the sun, I have tattoos, I have piercings in several places....and I also am a responsible, compassionate person by nature. I am not a drop-out nor am I on the fast track to no where. Horses have taught me a lot, but so have my parents and the way that I was raised. No, I was not raised in a strict conservative household, but I was also raised not to judge others on the exterior. I know many people who look "rough around the edges" who are educated and much better people ethically and attitude-wise than many other folks whose appearance is generally deemed acceptable by society.

-shrug- I understand what you're ultimately saying about horses and all.....but I do get sick of the label tacked to people with body art and piercings....that we're drop outs, drug addicts, etc........ It's absolutely not true. I LOVE who I am. I LOVE my piercings and my tattoos. They are as much a part of me as my love for horses.

[XshadowfoxX]

..wow. Im just about in tears, thats a concept I live by and I have never seen it written before and I couldnt think of the words to share it. This is going to every one of my horse friends- and my mom =]

[Rabid_Raccoon]

I'm kinda with eleven.

I know this article wasn't meant to offend, and it is very sweet and touching, but it is a bit offensive at the beginning. While the only color I've dyed my hair is red thanks to the restrictions at my school, I'm graduated now and plan to put some pink in it... and then who knows? I only have one tattoo right now, but I plan to get a couple more. I wear heavy eyeliner and shirts with skulls on them and four belts at a time... I'm still a responsible, caring, open minded person. I'm not a drop-out, a pregnant teen, etc. But even if I was, would that change who I am? If I had made some bad choices in my life, as the article refers to at the beginning, it would not necessarily make me a lesser person than someone who had not.

I can be good with horses, learn a lot from them, stay level-headed, and succeed in life and as a horse person, and still be ME. I am not one-sided.

Like I said, I know this article wasn't meant to offend. I do find it sweet, and true in many places, and it's a good reflection on all we can learn from our equine friends. However, it does get a little touchy at the beginning.

[elevenelevenxo]

Like I said, I know this article wasn't meant to offend. I do find it sweet, and true in many places, and it's a good reflection on all we can learn from our equine friends. However, it does get a little touchy at the beginning.

I agree. I do want to say again that I understand the point of the post...just that I really take offense with the beginning.

[shewasmyshadow]

I liked the whole poem. Very sweet. Thank you for posting it.

[Trinityapp]

This article was stolen from my website and reposted here without my permission. It's a disgrace that an article about teaching values to children compels people to steal it so they can claim authorship and get second hand back patting.

Tracy M

[cheval]

Ouch.


ETA: How did you find out it was here? What is your website.

[peace_baby]

Uhh.. I don't think she claimed authorship anywhere in this thread. :huh:

[cheval]

Huh. I wonder what that was all about.

[peace_baby]

Yeahhhh.. That was really weird.

[miatapony]

wow who was that and where did that come from ... that was a great story no matter who worte it. and it should be shared.

[cheval]

Especially since the post is almost a month old. I wonder if we just got our first troll.

[peace_baby]

Maybe this is the website she was talking about?: http://www.smellshorsey.com/2008/02/because-my-daug.html

[cheval]

How did you find that?

And how did she find this website and know out of all the posts that one was here? It's weird.

[peace_baby]

Google her name and the name of the poem.

ETA: This one might be more important: http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html

[cheval]

Interesting.

I've seen lots of things get lost when they are copied over and over on the internet. So the original authors aren't even known.

And if you saw it in an email or forum with it listed as unknown how are you going to know it was hers?

[peace_baby]

Yeah, I get a lot of emails with poems and things like that that don't have the author's name on it.

[cheval]

If she didn't want it out there she probably shouldn't have shared it online in the first place. People should always get permission for those sort of things, but most people don't.

[AppyLover]

Trinityapp:

I honestly have been with this group of people for quite a long time and I believe no harm was meant by posting the poem here. It was well received and is wonderfully written. Now that the OP knows it is yours would you allow us to keep it up if a link to your site and name are mentioned? Or even a hotlink to the poem itself?

I am sure there is a happy solution for everyone. Anyways looking at your site (If the one posted is yours) you seem like someone we would love to have as a part of our forum family. Please Consider. This is a wonderful group of people.

AppyLover

[WashingtonBay]

How did you find that?

And how did she find this website and know out of all the posts that one was here? It's weird.

She may have googled her own title or text and found it that way.

TrinityApp,

I can't say it better than Appylover and Cheval have... I don't think there was any attempt to claim authorship, just an article she found and wanted to pass on.

We'd be happy to give it proper credit if you would like. :)

[cheval]

She should be flattered that it means so much to so many people. It was beautifully written and really hit home with people.

[miatapony]

i think if we dont want to end up on her thives list this better be removed . just a thought.

[WashingtonBay]

Well, I'll remove it if she demands it... It's not worth all that... but for now I edited the initial post to add her as the author and a link to her page.

[miatapony]

that is good. so she hasnt contacted you about it yet ? that strikes me as odd

[WashingtonBay]

No - she didn't contact me. I only noticed it because I got a heads-up about potential trouble from another member.

[lisakaye]

I am sorry to offend anyone with this. here is the link where I found the poem with no reference to who wrote. I liked it alot and it fits my life so I thought you would all enjoy it... http://www.bridlewoodok.com/Funstuff.html if anyone wants to check it out. I did not cause trouble intentionally.. Again I am sorry.

[elevenelevenxo]

This person sounds like a nutcase to me. Look at the disclaimer on their site. I understand being aggravated if something you wrote were being credited to other people, but that doesn't seem like the case....and if she doesn't want what she says to be known, she shouldn't post it publicly. JMO.

Lisakaye, I wouldn't worry too much.

[lovesfortune]

wow. i agree with eleven. her website is a bit much. and under the whole 'copyright thieves' portion - it gets ridiculous. she's not very professional at all... in my opinion.

i liked the essay. it was nice, but this lady's attitude puts a bad taste in my mouth about it.

thank you for sharing lisakaye.

[Country Girl 43]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. WB put her name as the author, that should be enough. I looked at her site, but I didn't see the "official" copyright sign on there, like we have here. Of course I might have missed it, but who cares. As long as she gets the credit for her writing that's all that matters.

It was a VERY good piece and should be shared. She should be proud that it is circulating.

[cheval]

CG her site has massive huge capitol letter text with the info. Did you go to the right one?

http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html

Then look under the heading 'Copyright Thieves' below the copyright stuff. Pretty entertaining read.

[Trinityapp]

Remove it.

If I wanted it posted on places other than my website I would post it there myself.
Just because something is one the internet does not mean it is in the public domain.
People stealing it from my website are committing theft. I have reached the point that I don't care what the intent it, I simply am not going to allow people to use my intellectual property without my permission. I don't steal other people's works, photos, videos or writing. I abide by the rules that I ask others to abide by.

Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

You know.. anyone who thinks they will be more convincing in huge glaring fonts is unhinged (your site)

On edit. Trinity... we cross posted. Fine. I'll remove it. Your attitudes and reactions to people who might have appreciated it has kindof stolen any small charm it had.

[elevenelevenxo]

Trinity, I don't understand why you're not flattered that people find your writing inspirational and can relate it to their lives, especially when it's been credited to you (once it was found out you were the one who wrote it). You can't get nasty with someone who simply doesn't know something and that's what sounds like is going on here. No one was trying to steal your work from you, take credit for something that was not their's....nothing like that is going on. It was a pretty read that someone found and it was shared.

If you can't take that, maybe you shouldn't write. Just a thought.

[cheval]

HA HA HA! Love the edited title.

[cheval]

You know.. anyone who thinks they will be more convincing in huge glaring fonts is unhinged (your site)

On edit. Trinity... we cross posted. Fine. I'll remove it. Your attitudes and reactions to people who might have appreciated it has kindof stolen any small charm it had.

It's hard to believe someone so bitter wrote something so incredibly beautiful.

[Equine_Woman]

Oh geeze! I go away for a morning and all heck breaks loose. I read the essay somewhere else on the internet and now have a bad taste in my mouth as well since finding the authors website. Can we say paranoid much? Sheesh. It's like someone is making millions on her stuff. . . oh well we haven't had a good drama in a little while!

[FatSpottedAppy]

It's hard to believe someone so bitter wrote something so incredibly beautiful.




Agreed.

[WashingtonBay]

And the thing is... if she discovered it here, uncredited, and had simply signed on to show herself as the author and thank everyone for reading it, I'd have let her post links where she's selling copies of it on gift items. She might have actually made some sales, instead, she's alienating everyone who might want to buy it with her hysterical rants that sadly now drown out the original message.

It's bizarre.

[cheval]

She most definitely could have made some sales. I looked at her cafepress store. Some cool stuff. I'd never buy from her now. What a fruit loop.

[Joey A]

WB, how do we even have any proof that this person is really the author. IMO an immature response like that in a public forum (that was gushing over the poetic sentiment, BTW) reeks of some 13 year old with no adult supervision.

I think that someone who truly had such a tact for words would have approached the issue differently, and privately. This does nothing but smear the personality of the writer.

And if this was indeed a response by the "original author" then I have 2 possible scenarios. 1) this person really just has the professional mannerisims of a motherless 13 year old cretin, or 2) the author pleigerized multiple sources in the creation of the essay. There has certainly been no sign that she herself has inherited any of the characteristics in the afore mentioned essay, and proved doubtfull that in the least she truly understands the profound thought that was put onto the page before her.

[lisakaye]

Again. I am very sorry and now embarrased. I emailed her personally to apoligize also. I didn't mean for this to happen. Lesson learned. Now I wonder if the the site where I got it from had permission to use it?

[cheval]

You did NOTHING wrong!!! Do not feel embarrassed at all!!!

[WashingtonBay]

I'll agree that it defies common sense walkin... :headscratch:

[Country Girl 43]

CG her site has massive huge capitol letter text with the info. Did you go to the right one?

http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html

Then look under the heading 'Copyright Thieves' below the copyright stuff. Pretty entertaining read.

Yep I saw that, but... nowhere did I see "Copyright ©2000 - 2009" I think there is more to Copyright laws than just writing something and putting it out there.

This woman is truely a whack job. :crazy: There was something beautiful and she has ruined it. My assumption is it probably wasn't even hers and that is why she is making a BIG stink over it.

Oh and by the way... everything I just typed is COPYRIGHTED so don't try to copy it , reuse it, post it someplace else or you could get into a lot of trouble missy. :hysterical:

[Equine_Woman]

Yep I saw that, but... nowhere did I see "Copyright ©2000 - 2009" I think there is more to Copyright laws than just writing something and putting it out there.

This woman is truely a whack job. :crazy: There was something beautiful and she has ruined it. My assumption is it probably wasn't even hers and that is why she is making a BIG stink over it.

Oh and by the way... everything I just typed is COPYRIGHTED so don't try to copy it , reuse it, post it someplace else or you could get into a lot of trouble missy. :hysterical:
Take that!

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Ugh oh, you're coming for me now aren't you CG. ..

[AppyLover]

I'll agree that it defies common sense walkin... :headscratch:

WB you beat me to posting. My thoughts exactly.

lisakaye, I am in agreement with Cheval. There was no harm meant and this person over reacted to people who where in aww of the writing, but her attitude turned something beautiful into something fake. And honestly if your life and your daughter fit the words of that poem you both are beautiful people and should be proud of the impact horses have made on your lives.

[WashingtonBay]

Yep I saw that, but... nowhere did I see "Copyright ©2000 - 2009" I think there is more to Copyright laws than just writing something and putting it out there.

This woman is truely a whack job. :crazy: There was something beautiful and she has ruined it. My assumption is it probably wasn't even hers and that is why she is making a BIG stink over it.

Oh and by the way... everything I just typed is COPYRIGHTED so don't try to copy it , reuse it, post it someplace else or you could get into a lot of trouble missy. :hysterical:

You can now buy the above quoted text printed on toilet paper at my online store.

Please contact me for pricing and shipping information :D

[cheval]

Yep I saw that, but... nowhere did I see "Copyright ©2000 - 2009" I think there is more to Copyright laws than just writing something and putting it out there.

This woman is truely a whack job. :crazy: There was something beautiful and she has ruined it. My assumption is it probably wasn't even hers and that is why she is making a BIG stink over it.

Oh and by the way... everything I just typed is COPYRIGHTED so don't try to copy it , reuse it, post it someplace else or you could get into a lot of trouble missy. :hysterical:

I copy and pasted it!! BWA HA HA HA HA!

I cannot be stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

http://x0e.xanga.com/e1d013770373180943170/b1717218.gif



And just for laughs - this is the smiley that most resembles that lady.

http://x70.xanga.com/821a8522d9c3280943168/b55182717.gif

[BeachRiding]

what a nutjob!:rolleyes:

[AppyLover]

You can now buy the above quoted text printed on toilet paper at my online store.

Please contact me for pricing and shipping information :D

I about spit my soda. LOL :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[cheval]

You can now buy the above quoted text printed on toilet paper at my online store.

Please contact me for pricing and shipping information :D

You could set up a cafepress account and sell it. It'd be funny!

[WashingtonBay]

Hey now - all of you stop quoting CG... you're cuttin' into my profits! :D

[FoxFireEMT]

Wow, guys. LOL That poem was beautiful, but like all you said. After seeing the craziness it had created the Author (if the true author) has really turned me off to the poem. I would never buy or want to purchase anything off this lady. I think if I were able to speak words like that I'd love for people to pass it around & relate to it. I think it would give me great pride if my work was passed around with the appropriate name (author) attached. I think she went a little over board.

Like: don't be embarassed. You didnt' know, you were simply trying to share something that was shared with you. You simply thought we would enjoy the poem too. No harm no foul. I wouldn't be so hard on yourself.

[Country Girl 43]

WB... you made me laugh and it hurt!

No less that $25 for one panel of toilet paper with MY copyrighted remarks!

psst..... I'll split the profits with you 50/50.... :hysterical:

[Country Girl 43]

I copy and pasted it!! BWA HA HA HA HA!

I cannot be stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

http://x0e.xanga.com/e1d013770373180943170/b1717218.gif



And just for laughs - this is the smiley that most resembles that lady.

http://x70.xanga.com/821a8522d9c3280943168/b55182717.gif


LOL... you now owe me $50... I'll take cash please! :D

[cheval]

Will you take a cashier's check? Like they offer on Craigslist?

Let me print one out for ya!

[JackieB]

Again. I am very sorry and now embarrased. I emailed her personally to apoligize also. I didn't mean for this to happen. Lesson learned. Now I wonder if the the site where I got it from had permission to use it?

Don't give it another thought, lisakaye. You had absolutely no intention of stealing anything from anyone. As soon as we found out that she was the author, we gave her credit. I'm sorry that the author had to jump on you that way and I recommend that she refrain from sharing any of her writing with anyone else in the future.

[HoustonFarrier]

Talk about being wrapped too tight :p:p Bet her blood-pressure numbers are both the same !!!! LOL

Steve

[Horseaholic]

OH OH! I'd like the CG post for $25 pleasee!!! :D


Wow...people these days... :popcorn::headscratch::catfight:

[Horseaholic]

Don't give it another thought, lisakaye. You had absolutely no intention of stealing anything from anyone. As soon as we found out that she was the author, we gave her credit. I'm sorry that the author had to jump on you that way and I recommend that she refrain from sharing any of her writing with anyone else in the future.

Seriously...She shouldn't even write them down on paper...they might get "stolen" that way too.

[Trinityapp]

It's really funny how you are all claiming to be caring horse people, yet see theft as a joke. It's because of these attitudes that most authors do not share their work on the internet. It's why the movie industry cracks down on piracy. It's impossible to be nice, because people abuse the system and think it's their right to take someting.

So I'm supposed to be "okay" with people stealing my work, printing it on posters, shirts and in magazines and selling it? I'm supposed to be okay with an article that was a very personal piece, written for my daughter, gets used to pimp people's farms, poor training methods and even unsafe horse keeping? Should I just sit by when the pervert that runs the beastialty site steals my article, and my daughter's photos and posts them in with his disgusting photos? Oh sure, any mom would put up with that crap.

It's not hysterics. It's disgust that the horse community would side with the thieves. If someone walked on to your place and stole your horse you'd be upset, right? Because your horse is your baby. You don't mind people looking at your horse, but you sure as hell don't want someone taking him and using him in a manner you would never condone. Well my articles are my babies. I don't mind people reading them, where I publish them. I do mind them being stolen. So imagine your horse being stolen 5,000 times and the trouble you'd have to go through to get it fixed. Imagine the monetary cost, the frustration and the harassment. Can you imagine it? Probably not, because you're condoning the thievary and making light of the author's concern.

So those of you thinking it's a big joke to cut and paste the article and steal it just remember how you acted towards my property when something precious to you gets stolen. Karma will make sure it happens.

And for those of you that do not understand copyright law:
By the provisions of the Berne Convention (which is Interntional Law), and the US Copyright Laws, anything a person writes is automatically copyrighted from the moment of creation. This means that a person's written words belong to him or her, and may not be used without that person's permission. Any format, which includes electronic, written speech or published document, is covered.

And for the record, I am the original author, the girl in the article is my actual daughter. The article was published in Miniature Horse World, The Rocky Mountain Review, The Lippett Morgan Review and numerous other magazines and newsletter, with me listed as the author. The Bridlewood site does not have my permission to use the article and I am taking action against her.

Tracy M

[cheval]

Listen, she didn't know when she copied the poem to share with us that it was an issue. She got it from another site and they got it somewhere else and so on. It was an honest mistake not a theft.

Our Admin remedied the situation by adding your information. Since this piece of work is so very popular and means so much to people it is bound to get passed around without author info (especially with the Domino effect where the author info gets lost).

It's not a matter of someone trying to steal from you. It's about people sharing a great and meaningful thing. And when people do make the change you want (such as citing your name and website) you still get pissed off. If it's such a nightmare, REMOVE it from your site so it doesn't continue to happen.

If you're goal is to have your work turn into something really sour. Congrats you accomplished it. Had people here known you had a store where they could buy items with this stuff, I would bet people would have.

NOBODY knew. It was an honest mistake and you are crapping on people for making a genuine mistake. Be angry at the people who don't want to cite your work after you have contacted them. NOT the people who wanted to share what was a very special thing.

[txsbbtc]

Trinity,

As a writer, I can understand your frustration directed at those who use your words for personal gain. However, that was not the spirit in which your poem was presented here. If anything, this thread started as a celebration of the exact emotions and experiences you wrote about. No one was trying to steal anything, and when it was discovered, your words were correctly attributed to you.

That said, aligning the people on this forum to thieves is just as unfair to us as someone profitting from your work. Yes, we would and have been (if you have read another thread on this forum) devastated by the loss of our horses. However, we protect our horses behind fences and locks. We do not leave them untied in the town square for anyone to lead away, like when you post your work to the internet.

You would save yourself a lot of heartache to pursue those who use your work for personal gain, rather than those who would respectfully appreciate it.

[JackieB]

It's really funny how you are all claiming to be caring horse people, yet see theft as a joke.

You're misunderstanding us. I've spent over 20 years working in publishing and have the utmost respect for intellectual property. Believe me, I understand, and I think the other forumers here do as well.

What upset us is that you jumped on one of our colleagues when she didn't steal anything. She didn't know that she was doing anything wrong. You're familiar with the Rainbow Bridge poem, right? Well, its author is unknown. There is a lot of beautiful writing on the Internet in that category. This is undoubtedly what the OP thought.

Might it have been possible for you to come here and say - "Excuse me, but that's my writing. Perhaps you didn't realize that you were taking it from me without permission since I've had a problem with this kind of thing elsewhere as well. However, I'd like to ask that you please just link to my site rather than posting the essay here." I guarantee that you would have been pleased with our response.

Do you think you might like to start over? We'd be glad to have your contributions to our forum and we don't hold grudges.

So, I do apologize if we have hurt your feelings. But we're a "family" here and you know what it's like when someone gets on one of your family members when that person hasn't done anything wrong. The reaction is virtually always going to be instantaneous.

Thanks.

[HoustonFarrier]

It's really funny how you are all claiming to be caring horse people, yet see theft as a joke.
I might suggest you look into the "fair use" exemption of copyright laws.......as well as "intent and damage" laws.

Because your horse is your baby.
Nope...my horses are HORSES. I work with them. I make them carry me around on their backs, I make them pull me in wagons, I make them cut hay......I would NEVER do that to a baby.

Imagine the monetary cost, the frustration and the harassment. Can you imagine it? Probably not, because you're condoning the thievary and making light of the author's concern.
It did not cost you anything to write it(if you did indeed write it). If you have suffered monetary damages, then you should, by all means, go to court and sue to get your losses back.

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Trinity... Your bitterness and disdain and deliberate misrepresentation of what happened here... by people who would have been more than willing to not only give you credit and recognition, but give you business, is irrational and that's why people are reacting to you this way.

There was no theft here, no matter how hysterical you get or how ridiculous your analogies. We did not intentionally reprint your article without your permission, or attempt to deny you credit, once you made yourself known.

I am very sorry you lack basic comprehension of how the internet works, because you're poisoning the very resources you could have used to promote your work your way. I'd seriously reconsider how you're going about this because increasingly, if people go looking for your work on the internet, it will be places like this that get a lot more traffic than your own site.

[Trinityapp]

No, I'm responding to the idiots that make the claims I wasn't the author and started condoning the theft because it was on the internet, which to some less than intelligent people means it's FREE.

I asked her nicely to remove it, in a private message. She then decided to carry the issue public and all the little mob mentality people had to jump in an make a huge issue of it.

The article is very special to me. It was written for my daughter on her birthday. It was not written to be spread all over creation because people can't figure out how to send a link, instead they have to cut and paste the whole thing and send it along, without attributions.
Believe me, I will NEVER share my personal articles with people again. I will confine my writing to legitimate sources and let my publishers take care of the legal aspects.
This entire thread is a reflection on the values and standards of this group. Theft is condoned and people have no consideration, or knowledge of an author's rights.


Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

I asked her nicely to remove it, in a private message. She then decided to carry the issue public.

You did NOT send me any private message. My only communications to or from you have been on this thread.

[cheval]

You seriously have no clue.

Lisa didn't make anything public here about you contacting her. In fact she came on to say she was sorry and embarrassed. You were credited. Then you asked for it to be removed and it was.

It was special to a lot of people. What did you think was going to happen when you write a meaningful thing and post it PUBLICLY?????

[Trinityapp]

No matter what you call it, it is theft. She admitted taking it from another site. She didn't have permission from them to copy it, and they didn't have permission from me to copy it. I don't care what intentions are, the fact is that she was told the article was stolen and asked to remove it and she did not until things got ugly.

And I do sincerely hope that people read this forum and see the lack of values that reside here. This was the last straw for me with having to deal with my work being stolen. I've now removed the article from my website and anyone else caught reposting it will be prosecuted. The webcrawler sends me weekly reports on where the article is posted and my publisher will be addressing each site.


Tracy M.

[Trinityapp]

I sent the original poster a message Washington Bay. I've got a copy of it.

[cheval]

I don't think she was even online when it all broke loose.

[HoustonFarrier]

No, I'm responding to the idiots that make the claims I wasn't the author and started condoning the theft because it was on the internet, which to some less than intelligent people means it's FREE.

Well....I don't KNOW for sure whether you are the author or not??? Just because a nameless, faceless entity comes in and says "That's mine"....does not warrant automatic proof of authorship/ownership.

FYI - If you don't want stuff cut and pasted from your web pages, there is HTML code you can write that will prevent that from happening......perhaps you should learn HTML coding better.

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

The original poster did not have the ability to edit a post that is this old. Only I do. Nor was she here and able to act on it until after you had made your own post, in public.

[Trinityapp]

I DIDN'T post it publicly. I wrote it for my daughter and sent copies to a few friends and THEY spread it to their friends and so on. It didn't even go up on my website until I found out that people were claiming they wrote it and it was getting sent back to me through endless forwards. So the stupidity of a few people I shared something very personal with has caused me over a year of headaches. It was NEVER meant to be on the internet. It was only on the advice of my publisher that I set up a website so that when people did search the poem they could find my name as author.
Do a websearch on the article. There are NO publications of it prior to January 21, 2008. That's the date it was written.

Tracy M.

[Trinityapp]

Then the post and thread should have been deleted. It's obvious you want this debate to continue so your forum can try to justify having stolen property posted here.


Tracy M

[cheval]

Then you shouldn't have put it up on the internet for everyone to see if you didn't want it further out there.

[HoustonFarrier]

I DIDN'T post it publicly. I wrote it for my daughter and sent copies to a few friends and THEY spread it to their friends and so on.

If that is so, then it is THOSE people you should be going after.....YOUR friends, not the rest of the world.

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Trinity... I'm sorry for you, but I think the headaches would stop if you stopped running around shrieking about it and took a more positive approach. Honestly.

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=HoustonFarrier;177474]I might suggest you look into the "fair use" exemption of copyright laws.......as well as "intent and damage" laws.

I suggest you go back to school and learn that Fair Use does not apply when an entire article is reproduced. Quoting and using the entire composite are two different things.



>It did not cost you anything to write it(if you did indeed write it). If you have suffered monetary damages, then you should, by all means, go to court and sue to get your losses back.

oh gee, how relevant, another dig about me not being the author. I suppose this means that just because you have Farrier in your nickname it doesn't mean you know diddly about shoing horses.

Tracy M.

[Reinmaker]

I hate to tell you guys, but I wrote that poem. I don't know who this person is, but that is an original work by Reinmaker written on a cool fall day, sitting by a creek, under the shade of a broad Oak. And you know it has to be true because you just read it on the interwebs. :hysterical:




























Disclaimer: I did not author the poem. I have not even read the poem in question. I do not have nor have I ever had a daughter. The previous post was meant for humor only and in no way reflects the feelings or opinions of baywind farm forum. All postings by reinmaker are copywrited and protected by law. If you have received this posting in error please return to sender and delete immediately.

[Arrow]

The article is very special to me. It was written for my daughter on her birthday.
Tracy M

Why share it with anyone? Why publish it? Why didn't you just keep it private?

[WashingtonBay]

Then the post and thread should have been deleted. It's obvious you want this debate to continue so your forum can try to justify having stolen property posted here.


Tracy M

This is a forum. It's here to attract conversation, and this thread is attracting a lot of that. It's proving to be pretty informative and interesting. Why on earth would I want to delete this thread?

On edit... I deleted your 'precious' essay upon your request. But I'm not going to delete your childish temper tantrum, that I'll leave for everyone to see.

[TheBadLands]

I hate to tell you guys, but I wrote that poem. I don't know who this person is, but that is an original work by Reinmaker written on a cool fall day, sitting by a creek, under the shade of a broad Oak. And you know it has to be true because you just read it on the interwebs. :hysterical:




























Disclaimer: I did not author the poem. I have not even read the poem in question. I do not have nor have I ever had a daughter. The previous post was meant for humor only and in no way reflects the feelings or opinions of baywind farm forum. All postings by reinmaker are copywrited and protected by law.If you have received this posting in error please return to sender and delete immediately.

uh huh..so you think! lol



kidding

[cheval]

LOL! Rein you gots a wicked sense of humor.

TM - I'm sorry you can't see what good your writing has done for many of people. I think it speaks highly for your ability as an author to touch people. But you are acting seriously crazy by attacking people who didn't know better.

However, this has probably taught people something they didn't know before. I know it has me. When you see something like this, try and do a Google search on it. I would have never ever thought to do it and I receive a ton of these in my email every week.

No one intentionally wanted to do wrong by you by printing it. In fact, they were saying quite a bit about your writing talent and I feel really bad for you that you do not see that.

[Trinityapp]

Washington Bay,
You're assigning an emotion to me that simply isn't the case. I'm merely pointing out how the values of the people on this forum are severely skewed. I'm calm as can be. One doesn't shriek at things that DON'T get it. It'd be like yelling at a dog for licking his butt. He doesn't have the moral code that says it's wrong to do.
Deep down you know it's wrong to repost copyrighted material without permission, yet you're endlessly trying to justify it with the "ignorance is a good reason" excuse. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If I reposted John Lyons', Pat Parelli's or Buck Brannaman's stuff on my website, and claimed I didn't know it was illegal because after all I took it from their website, then their lawyers would laugh in my face.
Anyone that can read has picked up a book and seen a copyright statement. Anything written by someone is copyrighted to them at the moment it is written. That is federal law. All that had to be done was the article and the thread removed. But that wasn't the case was it? Your group had to get their petty digs in and act all offended because someone doesn't like having their stuff stolen. So I get accused of hysterics, but the blather mouths here get patted on the head for making their childish comments.

Yep, looks like another equine internet forum that does nothing to better the horse industry or understand that this constant display if ignorance is why people think horse lovers are stupid rednecks.

Tracy M.

[HoustonFarrier]

I suggest you go back to school and learn that Fair Use does not apply when an entire article is reproduced. Quoting and using the entire composite are two different things.

From the US Copyright Laws......

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_17_of_the_United_States_Code) § 106 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106.html) and 17 U.S.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_17_of_the_United_States_Code) § 106A (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106A.html), the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#cite_note-0)

oh gee, how relevant, another dig about me not being the author. I suppose this means that just because you have Farrier in your nickname it doesn't mean you know diddly about shoing horses.

If you don't think I know anything about shoeing horses, then so be it, your decision. I still don't KNOW you wrote anything.......just because YOU say you did, does not make it so. Believe it or not...there have been a few instances of folks lying on the internet....I know, hard to beleive....but yep, it happens. Now, I'm not saying you are lying...I'm saying I don't KNOW whether you are or not.

Steve

[AppyLover]

Whoa, Trinity.

Things have really been blown out of proportion. NO harm was meant. And things got ugly when you got abrasive. No one here condones thievery and accusing anyone here of it is just showing you in a poor light. We gave you credit when you Identified yourself and even opened our arms for you to join us.

Now getting defensive over our joking and bantering is really going to do you no good. This is a public forum and understand there is a certain animosity between members. We don’t always know a “new member” of being truthful until we get to know them better.

Give the people here a chance and you might just find a place you would want to share your writings.

[TheBadLands]

Yep, looks like another equine internet forum that does nothing to better the horse industry or understand that this constant display if ignorance is why people think horse lovers are stupid rednecks.

Tracy M.

I rather enjoy being upper middle class white trash :(

[cheval]

Washington Bay,
You're assigning an emotion to me that simply isn't the case. I'm merely pointing out how the values of the people on this forum are severely skewed. I'm calm as can be. One doesn't shriek at things that DON'T get it. It'd be like yelling at a dog for licking his butt. He doesn't have the moral code that says it's wrong to do.
Deep down you know it's wrong to repost copyrighted material without permission, yet you're endlessly trying to justify it with the "ignorance is a good reason" excuse. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If I reposted John Lyons', Pat Parelli's or Buck Brannaman's stuff on my website, and claimed I didn't know it was illegal because after all I took it from their website, then their lawyers would laugh in my face.
Anyone that can read has picked up a book and seen a copyright statement. Anything written by someone is copyrighted to them at the moment it is written. That is federal law. All that had to be done was the article and the thread removed. But that wasn't the case was it? Your group had to get their petty digs in and act all offended because someone doesn't like having their stuff stolen. So I get accused of hysterics, but the blather mouths here get patted on the head for making their childish comments.

Yep, looks like another equine internet forum that does nothing to better the horse industry or understand that this constant display if ignorance is why people think horse lovers are stupid rednecks.

Tracy M.

That is a really stupid comparison. EVERYONE knows John Lyons and the others. No one knows you from a corn flake.

Stop accusing people here of being thieves. The person was sorry for what happened and you're not listening to anyone trying to explain that to you.

[Arrow]

I DIDN'T post it publicly. I wrote it for my daughter and sent copies to a few friends and THEY spread it to their friends and so on. It didn't even go up on my website until I found out that people were claiming they wrote it and it was getting sent back to me through endless forwards. So the stupidity of a few people I shared something very personal with has caused me over a year of headaches. It was NEVER meant to be on the internet. It was only on the advice of my publisher that I set up a website so that when people did search the poem they could find my name as author.
Do a websearch on the article. There are NO publications of it prior to January 21, 2008. That's the date it was written.

Tracy M.


And for the record, I am the original author, the girl in the article is my actual daughter. The article was published in Miniature Horse World, The Rocky Mountain Review, The Lippett Morgan Review and numerous other magazines and newsletter, with me listed as the author.


Which is it? You published it, or you didn't? I can understand if you are saying that your friends spread it on the net, but you've said that you posted it elsewhere in print. People copy stuff from print and post it on the web all the time--there's no way to stop it. If it was really so personal to you, meant only for your daughter, why did you publish it in the first place?

I'm guessing because you were proud of it and wanted to share it--it was in fact more than a personal message.

I'm sorry that it's being spread without attribution, but the way you are reacting to it is just making things worse. Sometimes people do steal and take credit--but a lot of times stuff gets forwarded and the original emailer is credited with the work without ever knowing about it.

All this electronic publishing and youtubing and foruming is creating a new kind of world in which the rules are being made up as we go along. Chill out a bit, life's too short to get so upset over so many people admiring your work.

[Trinityapp]

Oh don't bother deleting it! I want people directed here so they can read this whole sorry saga about how the Baywinds people don't comprehend copyright laws and condone theft!

Here, I'll even help bring more people here, so they can learn how astute (NOT) people from this forum are.

http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html


Thanks!

Tracy M

[Arrow]

Washington Bay,
You're assigning an emotion to me that simply isn't the case. I'm merely pointing out how the values of the people on this forum are severely skewed. I'm calm as can be. One doesn't shriek at things that DON'T get it. It'd be like yelling at a dog for licking his butt. He doesn't have the moral code that says it's wrong to do.
Deep down you know it's wrong to repost copyrighted material without permission, yet you're endlessly trying to justify it with the "ignorance is a good reason" excuse. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If I reposted John Lyons', Pat Parelli's or Buck Brannaman's stuff on my website, and claimed I didn't know it was illegal because after all I took it from their website, then their lawyers would laugh in my face.
Anyone that can read has picked up a book and seen a copyright statement. Anything written by someone is copyrighted to them at the moment it is written. That is federal law. All that had to be done was the article and the thread removed. But that wasn't the case was it? Your group had to get their petty digs in and act all offended because someone doesn't like having their stuff stolen. So I get accused of hysterics, but the blather mouths here get patted on the head for making their childish comments.

Yep, looks like another equine internet forum that does nothing to better the horse industry or understand that this constant display if ignorance is why people think horse lovers are stupid rednecks.

Tracy M.

Hah--proof you didn't write that article! You're just as nasty as can be!

[cheval]

Yeah, they'll see what nutcase you are.

[FoxFireEMT]

I DIDN'T post it publicly. I wrote it for my daughter and sent copies to a few friends and THEY spread it to their friends and so on. It didn't even go up on my website until I found out that people were claiming they wrote it and it was getting sent back to me through endless forwards. So the stupidity of a few people I shared something very personal with has caused me over a year of headaches. It was NEVER meant to be on the internet. It was only on the advice of my publisher that I set up a website so that when people did search the poem they could find my name as author.
Do a websearch on the article. There are NO publications of it prior to January 21, 2008. That's the date it was written.

Tracy M.


Sounds to me its your "friends" that you need to have the beef with, to begin with!

[AppyLover]

the only thing people will see is how petty you are being.

[Trinityapp]

I published it AFTER it had already been spread by unscrupulous people. It was the only way to re-attach myself as author.

And no, just because something is on the internet doesn't mean it's free. People on youtube and napster get busted all the time.

Tracy M

[Arrow]

That is a really stupid comparison. EVERYONE knows John Lyons and the others. No one knows you from a corn flake.




:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[cheval]

By publishing it all you did was get it out there for MORE people to share. Are you missing the WHOLE fact of WHY people are doing it????

No one is justifying any kind of author theft. You came here you pointed it out and it was taken care of. People tried to explain to you it was a mistake and I'm sure we've all learned from it. Yet you still want to harp on the fact that everyone is a thief.

Can't you just stop for a moment and enjoy the fact that everyone loved it?

[Arrow]

I published it AFTER it had already been spread by unscrupulous people.

Tracy M


Your so-called friends, you mean?

[FatSpottedAppy]

I don't see how you can write something beautiful and put it online and not expect it to be passed around. This goes for you putting it on a website, I am not talking about your friends forwarding it(did they even know they weren't supposed to?)

If I wrote something and found posted somewhere with numerous positive responses, I'd be kindly asking for recognition and very appreciative that people enjoyed my work.. not going to places that it had been posted and ripping into people that did not know any better.

You are coming off as very rude and unforgiving. Get a grip and stop overreacting.

[Horseaholic]

So I'm supposed to be "okay" with people stealing my work, printing it on posters, shirts and in magazines and selling it? I'm supposed to be okay with an article that was a very personal piece, written for my daughter, gets used to pimp people's farms, poor training methods and even unsafe horse keeping? Should I just sit by when the pervert that runs the beastialty site steals my article, and my daughter's photos and posts them in with his disgusting photos? Oh sure, any mom would put up with that crap.


Tracy M

NO ONE here has done these things so get over it. She was simply sharing a piece of work that she thought was beautiful that we would all enjoy. You're getting yourself in this tizzy towards us for NOTHING.

[luv2show]

Holy FART.
Can you blow anything else out of proportion?! Honestly, it would have been a lot easier to POLITELY ask for it to be removed because it's your work. It sucks you showed a huge lack of maturity in your replies... don't be surprised when you get immature comments back.

I remember reading this poem and sending it to my dad and thanking him. & I also remember thinking how beautiful it was, and heck, it made ME and my parents shed a few tears!

It's really too bad... Now I'm just going to remember that the lady who wrote that is a total douche.

heh, can I use that word..

[Trinityapp]

That is a really stupid comparison. EVERYONE knows John Lyons and the others. No one knows you from a corn flake.


So being famous gives someone's copyright more credence then a less well known person? That's a pretty skewed point of view.


>Stop accusing people here of being thieves. The person was sorry for what happened and you're not listening to anyone trying to explain that to you.

I've read the "explanations" and "accusations" they all point to the fact that the forum is trying to excuse theft and the moderator sees nothing wrong with it. In fact she doesn't delete the article without making a stupid dig that shows how petty this place is.

I'll enjoy returning the favor. The report is already on it's way to the server.

Tracy M

[HoustonFarrier]

I'll enjoy returning the favor. The report is already on it's way to the server.

Oooohhh.....oh noooo.....I'm scared...someone hold me :p:p

LMAO

Steve

[WashingtonBay]

Washington Bay,
You're assigning an emotion to me that simply isn't the case.

I'm assigning the emotion you convey with your huge glaring fonts and paranoid rantings on your website. That's what hysteria looks like on the web. It shouts.

And it exaggerates and makes analogies and allegations that are non sequiturs.

Lisakaye did not copy your essay from your site. She copied it from somewhere else where you were not credited. At least we tried to give you credit and link to you when you made yourself known to us. Why you insisted on making this personal is a real puzzle. Because the only ill-will toward you that was ever here, you have created.

[cheval]

It's not excusing theft. You pointed it out and it was taken care of.

Maybe you should have thought more carefully about putting it out all over the world if you didn't want people to share it.

[TheBadLands]

Oh don't bother deleting it! I want people directed here so they can read this whole sorry saga about how the Baywinds people don't comprehend copyright laws and condone theft!

Here, I'll even help bring more people here, so they can learn how astute (NOT) people from this forum are.

http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/sweetsixteen.html


Thanks!

Tracy M

All I saw was a WHOLE lot of defamation of Character on several businesses that could probably hold you over the fire and let you slow rotate with a shiny apple in your mouth if they wanted to.

[AppyLover]

And what would be the result that would make you happy Trinity??? Please tell us since our explinations are no good for you.

[FatSpottedAppy]

Ruh oh.. we're in for it now. :rolleyes:

[cheval]

Exactly. What do you want done that wasn't already.

[TheBadLands]

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/53/l_9b5aa667ae0ddda0f4eff10854dd7f52.jpg

[Trinityapp]

By publishing it all you did was get it out there for MORE people to share. Are you missing the WHOLE fact of WHY people are doing it????

No one is justifying any kind of author theft. You came here you pointed it out and it was taken care of. People tried to explain to you it was a mistake and I'm sure we've all learned from it. Yet you still want to harp on the fact that everyone is a thief.

Can't you just stop for a moment and enjoy the fact that everyone loved it?


Gee Cheval, kind of hard to get past the fact that the people saying the loved the article and it's message are condoning and excusing the theft of it. What part of "teaching values" did you miss.

Do I need to add another line to article?

Because my daughter grew up with horses she learned that online horse forums will reprint anything because they don't have a concept of copyright laws. She learned that a thief cannot be trusted with your horse or the written word, and ignorance is no excuse. Because of visiting these forums she learned that people will try to excuse and justify anything, as long as they don't have to admit what a bunch of immature jerks they are. Because of this she should be prepared for a career as a lawyer or politician.

Yep, that's a good addendum.


Tracy M

[cheval]

All I saw was a WHOLE lot of defamation of Character on several businesses that could probably hold you over the fire and let you slow rotate with a shiny apple in your mouth if they wanted to.

Good point. Maybe they don't realize they've been 'featured'.

[Trinityapp]

All I saw was a WHOLE lot of defamation of Character on several businesses that could probably hold you over the fire and let you slow rotate with a shiny apple in your mouth if they wanted to.


Do you mean those same businesses that stole my property.

Gee, your honor. She called me a thief because I stole her work!


That's right up there with the twinkie defense.

Tracy M.

[cheval]

They loved the article before they knew there was this issue behind it. Have you visited all the forums that this has been placed on? There are several out there. I'd guess they are in the same boat.

[oursarge]

I always miss everything. I hate to say it but once something is e-mailed or put on a website it is out there for people get hold of it whether it's personal or not. If you don't want it passed around keep it to yourself. That's just how it is. I know someone who has something on his website and I also know of a girl who went there and took the quote and it's now on her website. I don't think she asked permission, I don't think he's having a fit about it. Stuff happens, I'd be happy people liked what I wrote, sometimes we hear or see something we really like and pass it on, we don't know the author.

Growing up I had a poem framed and hanging on my wall called "Little Sorrel Pony" I have no idea who wrote it but I have found it on line reprinted on someone's website and I have copied it and sent it out to others and have also used it in scrapbooks because I now have my sorrel pony. I'm sorry if that's wrong but I loved it want wanted to share it. I still have it in it's frame but I don't know where I put it or I would have known the author. I was just thankful I could find it on line. It's a beautiful poem.

It's too bad there is all this drama over something that was put here because someone thought it was beautiful, I even had a friend of mine read it and she cried. OH WELL, always drama. Some people thrive on it.

[TheBadLands]

Do you mean those same businesses that stole my property.

Gee, your honor. She called me a thief because I stole her work!


That's right up there with the twinkie defense.

Tracy M.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/97/l_31a773c9865a18eba465feb220ee7d69.jpg

[FoxFireEMT]

Lady you ought to get your blinders off.... Go back to your little internet whole & take it up with your friends!

[Reinmaker]

badlands you are cracking me up with the pics. LOL

[cheval]

Well, it was removed. And a link placed to your site. So not sure what else it is you want.

[Trinityapp]

And what would be the result that would make you happy Trinity??? Please tell us since our explinations are no good for you.

I already replied to Washington Bay about what should have been done. The article and the thread should be removed. Had she removed the article and not taken her bitchy petty dig then this would already be over. But she had to play "queen of the sandbox" and show her minions how she'll take up for their hurt feelers.


I'm returning the favor. So everyone that websearchs the article can now find this forum. I'm sure it will improve the public opinion of people in the region that are looking to buy horses, offer training, looking for a farrier etc.
It doesn't hurt my business, I'm the one that was wronged.

Tracy M.

[TheBadLands]

badlands you are cracking me up with the pics. LOL

I have one for any possible life situation.. so I say:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/73/l_f8f88f62abae5417a810497a60fe547c.jpg

To the WHOLE thread

[cheval]

Well, we would like to thank you for increasing some business to this site. Free advertising is good.

[AppyLover]

SO the people who find your peom will now see our forum and they will read this whole mess, and how nice most of our members where to you and how mean and nasty you got with them? Did I miss something?

[Horseaholic]

I love how you ignore my comment...because it's 100% true and you can't run around it...get over yourself...


I'm THRILLED you will be linking this AMAZING group of horse people from all over the WORLD so all those people who frequent you're site can see you're true ugly colors..

[All4Grace]

:popcorn:

Boy oh Boy!

This is entertaining. Thanks for giving me something to read and laugh at.

Now I guess I'll go back to dealing with a REAL theft.

Trinity- the simple truth is... NO ONE meant any harm to you. This is a great group of people that are overwhelmingly supportive and helpful to anyone that seeks their help.
You over reacted plan and simple. Even after apologies were made for posting the poem you still continued to rant and rave. And yes.. we're making jokes and having fun, because when your dealing with real life issues and REAL theft and loss silly little internet batter is a way to release the tension.

Now...
Where that damn couch??
:popcorn:

[Trinityapp]

Lady you ought to get your blinders off.... Go back to your little internet whole & take it up with your friends!


Did you mean "hole"? Because going back to a whole would mean reassembling something that got taken apart.

And while the people that first sent it out are to blame, and they have been soundly thrashed, they are not the ones that reposted it here, or removed my name as author. That was done by others.

I don't wear blinders. I can clearly see everything around me, including the lack of legal knowledge and the profound immaturity of people that are arguing to excuse something that is considered wrong at every level of society.

I'm also laughing my head off at the private messages telling me all the jokes about the members. Keep em coming.

Tracy M

[FoxFireEMT]

OOO sand box, I'm getting my toys out!! Think the queen will serve drinks later?

[TheBadLands]

Well, we would like to thank you for increasing some business to this site. Free advertising is good.

I concur! We love you.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/105/l_9022e02696231c3f467b3e2d1ac7db6e.jpg

Sorry... I have the afternoon off from the ponies. And I need to use these somewhere. Now I can finally see how many I really DO have for everything anyone could possible say.

[cheval]

I'd be curious to see what other forums this has been discussed on.

[txsbbtc]

You have not done yourself any favors by your ranting on this board. Anyone who looks at this will see that reasonable steps were taken when the issue was discovered.
1. The poem was attributed to you
2. A link to your website was provided
3. The poem was removed

[cheval]

Did you mean "hole"? Because going back to a whole would mean reassembling something that got taken apart.

And while the people that first sent it out are to blame, and they have been soundly thrashed, they are not the ones that reposted it here, or removed my name as author. That was done by others.



Tracy M

No one removed your name. It wasn't associated with the poem.

[Trinityapp]

SO the people who find your peom will now see our forum and they will read this whole mess, and how nice most of our members where to you and how mean and nasty you got with them? Did I miss something?


You missed the part about the forum members not knowing internet copyright laws, how to spell "hole", how a websearch works, that theft is theft, even if something is posted on the internet, and all the other little tidbits that make horse forums such amusing, yet uninformative, places.


Tracy M.

[Horseaholic]

what do you want for your "theft"?? You're on your high horse...so what do you want????

[cheval]

I admit it had never occurred to me about doing a websearch on this sort thing. I damn sure will from now on.

[TheBadLands]

You missed the part about the forum members not knowing internet copyright laws, how to spell "hole", how a websearch works, that theft is theft, even if something is posted on the internet, and all the other little tidbits that make horse forums such amusing, yet uninformative, places.


Tracy M.

I never read the poem. I was working.

but now I can REALLY REALLY think horse show moms are scary.

[Arrow]

Googling Tracy Meisenbach can be fun, she asked us to, after all to see that it is her poem. Well other sorts of interesting things came up on the first page of the google search.

I won't slander her here--I don't know who's in the right in this case, but it makes for interesting reading. Here's just one Tracy quote to whet your appetite:

After reading the tripe you posted I decided I'm probably going to sue you for public slander, as well as turn you in to my brother in law, who is a special agent for the IRS in Texas. I hope all your snake selling records are up to date and your financial files accurate. it was interesting to find your links where you have litters for sale.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89764

[AppyLover]

So your highness, what would you have us do? Because you seem to be the only one with any misconceptions.

[FoxFireEMT]

Yep I meant "hole" spelling mistake... imagine that shit happens!!

The person did not STEAL your article from your website & post it by taking your name off it. Thats the way she ................. ahhhh "heck" no point in lashing this out over & over again with you... you are going to continue to blame her & not the rest of the world that had "acquired" it before her...

[WashingtonBay]

I'm also laughing my head off at the private messages telling me all the jokes about the members. Keep em coming.

Tracy M

Isn't humor more fun? You might end up actually liking us. :cheers:

[TheBadLands]

After reading the tripe you posted I decided I'm probably going to sue you for public slander, as well as turn you in to my brother in law, who is a special agent for the IRS in Texas. I hope all your snake selling records are up to date and your financial files accurate. it was interesting to find your links where you have litters for sale.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_0d2bbf67dfac56c9654aeb64c8e9ed72.jpg

[FatSpottedAppy]

And while the people that first sent it out are to blame, and they have been soundly thrashed, they are not the ones that reposted it here, or removed my name as author. That was done by others

How could she have removed your name from the writing if your name was not on the site she got it from?

[All4Grace]

:deadhorse:


:hysterical: at badlands pictures ! :hysterical:

[TheBadLands]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_d42d2ed9b28b29289356c9f7c0624175.gif http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_d42d2ed9b28b29289356c9f7c0624175.gif http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_d42d2ed9b28b29289356c9f7c0624175.gif http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_d42d2ed9b28b29289356c9f7c0624175.gif http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/m_d42d2ed9b28b29289356c9f7c0624175.gif

(wb we need this smiley, it's from my hidden collection)

[Trinityapp]

No one removed your name. It wasn't associated with the poem.

Cheval,

Get a grip.

It was attached to the article when it was originally written. Right under the last paragraph it had my name, the date and "For Amy"

As it got sent around people, like the stupid Bridlewood person, removed my name. Some even inserted their own name. By posting it here more people see it without an author, take it and then forward it on, just adding to the problem. I wonder what people would do if I "captured" the photos out of their posts and sent them to the beastiality guy ( he lives in Belgium) and told him to use them as he wanted, because after all, they're on the internet, so it must be okay.

And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.

Whatever suits them. It's raining so I can't ride, so I've got nothing better to do right now.

Tracy M

[Horseaholic]

please see my post on page 12 - post # 118

[TheBadLands]

Cheval,

Get a grip.

It was attached to the article when it was originally written. Right under the last paragraph it had my name, the date and "For Amy"

As it got sent around people, like the stupid Bridlewood person, removed my name. Some even inserted their own name. By posting it here more people see it without an author, take it and then forward it on, just adding to the problem. I wonder what people would do if I "captured" the photos out of their posts and sent them to the beastiality guy ( he lives in Belgium) and told him to use them as he wanted, because after all, they're on the internet, so it must be okay.

And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.

Whatever suits them. It's raining so I can't ride, so I've got nothing better to do right now.

Tracy M

You know a beastiality guy!?!

This whole thread just went WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY in another direction.

I'm all for some burbon lady but are you ok?

[Horseaholic]

you're mad at us for what others have done...that makes a lot of sense.

[All4Grace]

Cheval,


And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.

Whatever suits them. It's raining so I can't ride, so I've got nothing better to do right now.

Tracy M

once again you IGNORING the fact that it was a simple FRIGGIN mistake! and corrections were made.

BTW- What planet do you live on because frankly after spending the last 4days trying to locate my stolen horse I'd really love to live on cloud nine for a while.

[Trinityapp]

NO ONE here has done these things so get over it. She was simply sharing a piece of work that she thought was beautiful that we would all enjoy. You're getting yourself in this tizzy towards us for NOTHING.


Really? You can PROVE that no one forwarded the article on to somehere else? You can PROVE that no one has used excerpts of it? You can PROVE that the accompaning photos weren't stolen?

No, you can't. The WORST places for the article to get stolen from are forums just like this one. She didn't take the five seconds to websearch it to find the author so she reposted it without the author so everyone that looked at it and did just what she did added to the problem.

Do you not understand the domino effect?

Tracy M

[TheBadLands]

Cheval,

Get a grip.

It was attached to the article when it was originally written. Right under the last paragraph it had my name, the date and "For Amy"

As it got sent around people, like the stupid Bridlewood person, removed my name. Some even inserted their own name. By posting it here more people see it without an author, take it and then forward it on, just adding to the problem. I wonder what people would do if I "captured" the photos out of their posts and sent them to the beastiality guy ( he lives in Belgium) and told him to use them as he wanted, because after all, they're on the internet, so it must be okay.

And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.

Whatever suits them. It's raining so I can't ride, so I've got nothing better to do right now.

Tracy M

^^^^

Just in case anyone missed that

http://tasithoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/wtf.jpg?w=382&h=472

[cheval]

I've been reading your replies to this on other forums. You know, initially you had some really good responses to people using the poem and directing them on where to buy things with it on them. Why didn't you do that here so people could have had the chance to purchase items?

[JetLagaside]

Wow just wow!

[cheval]

Cheval,

Get a grip.

It was attached to the article when it was originally written. Right under the last paragraph it had my name, the date and "For Amy"

As it got sent around people, like the stupid Bridlewood person, removed my name. Some even inserted their own name. By posting it here more people see it without an author, take it and then forward it on, just adding to the problem. I wonder what people would do if I "captured" the photos out of their posts and sent them to the beastiality guy ( he lives in Belgium) and told him to use them as he wanted, because after all, they're on the internet, so it must be okay.

And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.

Whatever suits them. It's raining so I can't ride, so I've got nothing better to do right now.

Tracy M

Okay, you were talking about the original poem on your site. I was talking about where it was copied from.

[FatSpottedAppy]

And really, the forum isn't concerned with what is right or wrong. They just want to play "dog pile" on the outsider because a member of the group can get away with anything, simply because they belong. And the outsider has no rights, even with evidence to prove their point, so must be mobbed up on.


This is just simply not true. Just because we are on the same forum doesnt mean we all agree on the same things. If someone thought you were in the right they would be voicing it no matter what their fellow "forumers" think. That's a fact and if you don't believe me look at the other topics on this forum, especially in the political section.. Long time members and friends have heated debates with each other. No one is "against" you just because you're new.

[miatapony]

Wow just wow!


Im with you on this one !!!!

[FoxFireEMT]

:banghead: My thoughts, don't give this lady any more of our freakin time. She's worthless in trying to get any understanding too. You guys just keep on repeating your statements & she just keeps on turning them around... I say SCREW HER!

[TheBadLands]

This is not true. Just because we are on the same forum doesnt mean we all agree on the same things. If someone thought you were in the right they would be voicing it no matter what their fellow "forumers" think. That's a fact and if you don't believe me look at the other topics on this forum, especially in the political section.

The horse training thread is quite a cat fight, too... trust me. We don't all get along all the time.

[TheBadLands]

:banghead: My thoughts, don't give this lady any more of our freakin time. She's worthless in trying to get any understanding too. You guys just keep on repeating your statements & she just keeps on turning them around... I say SCREW HER!

But I have all of this free time tonight for once and all these funnies :(

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-maded-me-a-cookie.jpg

Which are more interesting than anything she says anyway

[txsbbtc]

[QUOTE=Trinityapp;177578]Really? You can PROVE that no one forwarded the article on to somehere else? You can PROVE that no one has used excerpts of it? You can PROVE that the accompaning photos weren't stolen?


Actually, it is up to you to prove it.

[Horseaholic]

the original poster did NONE of the things you listed...we weren't brainstorming with her how she could advertise with this poem...or sell things with this poem on it... so yea..I can prove she didn't do any of the things I bolded in you're quote.

[cheval]

So if the people sending you jokes about us agree with you, why aren't they here in this thread sticking up for you?

The Domino effect is exactly how 'we' got into this mess. Copying it down the line and the name got lost. And no one thought to look it up.

[Trinityapp]

once again you IGNORING the fact that it was a simple FRIGGIN mistake! and corrections were made.


No corrections weren't made. The moderator decided to get petty and act like my concerns merited her bitchyness.

>BTW- What planet do you live on because frankly after spending the last 4days trying to locate my stolen horse I'd really love to live on cloud nine for a while.

Well gee, try spending a year and a half hunting something down. And spend thousands on legal fees to get reimbursments for the items sold with your copyrighted work on it. And while I'm sorry you had your horse stolen, it's a trauma I've been through too, I find it hard to sympathize while reading a forum that says someone can see something, like it, take it and suffer no repercussions. Maybe the person that stole your horse can claim ignorance of the law. Maybe they just "borrowed" it. Maybe they thought that because there's a picture of your horse somewhere it makes it okay to take it.

Theft is theft. Whether it's a penny, a picture, a horse or a car.


Tracy M

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Hmm I wonder why she knows a beastiality guy?!?! :headscratch: Anyways. Umm yea so this a real erm interesting thread. People are crazy! LOL. Good thing I never read the dang thing, cus that would make me a robber! lol This is turning into another NEVER ENDING THREAD :popcorn: hehe I'm enjoying it

ETA: WOW....thats the only other thing I have to say

[TheBadLands]

So if the people sending you jokes about us agree with you, why aren't they here in this thread sticking up for you?

The Domino effect is exactly how 'we' got into this mess. Copying it down the line and the name got lost. And no one thought to look it up.

Oh don't tell her that! Then the WBs will be forever doing IP checks.... for all the random new members who are about to pop up in.....10...9....8....7....

[FoxFireEMT]

But I have all of this free time tonight for once and all these funnies :(

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-maded-me-a-cookie.jpg

Which are more interesting than anything she says anyway


Ta ha.. your too funny. Hey Badlands you got a copyright for that? LOL

[WashingtonBay]

As it got sent around people, like the stupid Bridlewood person, removed my name. Some even inserted their own name. By posting it here more people see it without an author, take it and then forward it on, just adding to the problem.

So we put your name on it with a link, and no smart-alecky digs. I did this willingly, eagerly, and friendly-like.

You didn't drop it, you blew it out of proportion calling us thieves. Making bizarre references to beastiality guys in Belgium... is not helping. Tell you what... I bet he has his own connections and can find his own pictures.

There is no better magnet for attention on a forum than throwing a really silly temper tantrum, and that's what you are doing.

You could turn this around with one post. I'd delete my snarky comment, I might even delete this thread so it will be of no further embarrassment to you and your daughter, who has to be embarrassed by all this. You're a writer, you figure out how to reach this audience.

[cheval]

Reprinted from the Horse Grooming Supplies Thread at this link:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/a-daughter-growing-up-with-horses-181817.html


This was the perfect way to handle it:



I wrote the above essay for my daughter on her 16th birthday. Somehow it has traveled the entire internet. I am glad that so many people identify with it and understand what I was trying to convey.
I would appreciate it though if my name would be left on as author, as well as my website address www.trinityapp.com (http://www.trinityapp.com/), since the work is copyrighted to me.

I have more educational horse articles on my website at http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/ (http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/) including the original essay.


I've had so many requests for posters and print outs of my daughter's essay that I've created an online store that features posters, mugs, shirts, keepsakes etc with the tribute pictured. Amy did the artwork, and we made versions for Appaloosa, Paint and plain wrapper horses.

I working on a tribute version for sons, since I've had several requests to tailor it more gender friendly and as soon as we get it worked up it will be listed too.

http://www.cafepress.com/trinityapp

Click over and take a peep!


Thank you,
Tracy Meisenbach

[TheBadLands]

Ta ha.. your too funny. Hey Badlands you got a copyright for that? LOL

I can say it's my cat, and you have to believe me. Because I just happen to have a cat that looks NOTHING like this one.

[Trinityapp]

So if the people sending you jokes about us agree with you, why aren't they here in this thread sticking up for you?

The Domino effect is exactly how 'we' got into this mess. Copying it down the line and the name got lost. And no one thought to look it up.


Not a valid excuse. I know how to work a search engine. Since the people posting here obviously know how to type there is no reason they can't use google or yahoo to look something up.

I don't post stuff without researching it. Any credible writer, or horse person would do the same.

Tracy M.

[luv2show]

. Maybe the person that stole your horse can claim ignorance of the law. Maybe they just "borrowed" it. Maybe they thought that because there's a picture of your horse somewhere it makes it okay to take it.

Theft is theft. Whether it's a penny, a picture, a horse or a car.


Tracy M

OMFG, you did not just say that to All4Grace.

It's clear to me now that you are completely f*cked in the head. Do you have any idea how ignorant that is. Sad to think this is the same b*tch who wrote that beautiful poem, saying this sarcastic and disgusting comment to someone. PATHETIC .

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=cheval;177596]Reprinted from the Horse Grooming Supplies Thread at this link:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/a-daughter-growing-up-with-horses-181817.html


This was the perfect way to handle it:


Look at the date on that post. It was WAY before I spent a year and a half tracking it down and getting it removed from websites. In fact this is right after it went viral.

I didn't give that person permission to repost it either, but like most theives they did it anyway.


Tracy M

[Arrow]

http://www.wpcva.com/articles/2008/03/19/brookneal/news/news01.txt

This is a sad story--I'm sorry about the colt and hope that your family is o.k., I know that rabies treatments aren't fun.

[Joey A]

It's really funny how you are all claiming to be caring horse people, yet see theft as a joke. It's because of these attitudes that most authors do not share their work on the internet. It's why the movie industry cracks down on piracy. It's impossible to be nice, because people abuse the system and think it's their right to take someting.

Well until you started your blovation, no one was laughing. That and there was no "theft" to speak of here.

So I'm supposed to be "okay" with people stealing my work, printing it on posters, shirts and in magazines and selling it?

No, but that doesn't have anything to do with the price of tea in china when it comes to someone here simply trying to share it.

I'm supposed to be okay with an article that was a very personal piece, written for my daughter, gets used to pimp people's farms, poor training methods and even unsafe horse keeping?

You can take that can of bullshi* and shove it! If that was supposedly a "personal piece" for your daughter then why are you whoreing it out on cafepress?

It's not hysterics. It's disgust that the horse community would side with the thieves.

Sorry you got the wrong forum, "The thieves" are on the next one over.


So those of you thinking it's a big joke to cut and paste the article and steal it just remember how you acted towards my property when something precious to you gets stolen. Karma will make sure it happens.

Ok, then... Have fun in your little universe lady.

The Bridlewood site does not have my permission to use the article and I am taking action against her.

Well take your yappings elsewhere then.

[Country Girl 43]

WOW! I go to clean house and come back to this! :eek:

Trinity... NOBODY here stole your essay. EVERYONE here admired it. NOBODY here took credit for it. NOBODY here has made ANY financial gains from the essay. EVERYONE here could relate to the beautiful words written.

We were all very impressed with the "written" words. Many cried because it touched our hearts and we could relate whole heartedly to it.

It's a beautiful piece and should be shared! All you have to do is ask that YOU be given the credit for it, which was done here once we knew it was yours. For crying out loud, WE did not steal it! WE loved it! If you would take the time to relax and read what everyone said in the first 2 pages before you blew up.

Maybe other companies have profited from your writing, but that is not the case here. All of us just sat here and admired the lovely words and how they actually hit home for a lot of us. You WERE given credit once we were made aware of the situation.

Take a deep breath....... The essay was lovely and we all enjoyed it for what it was. No one here wants to steal it or profit from it. You should take your energy out on the companies that have truely tried to steal it. I mean REALLY think about this. WE did not steal it or condone stealing it. The essay is flying around the internet. It was beautiful and people just want to share it. If someone else takes credit for it, then go after them.

[Trinityapp]

OMFG, you did not just say that to All4Grace.

It's clear to me now that you are completely f*cked in the head. Do you have any idea how ignorant that is. Sad to think this is the same b*tch who wrote that beautiful poem, saying this sarcastic and disgusting comment to someone. PATHETIC .


Oh to be sure. Sad to think that it's okay to call a person names for protecting their property, and then expect sympathy because you had something of your own stolen.

It was an exact comparision of what is going on here and something you fail to grasp. Theft is theft, no matter what it is.


Tracy M

[cheval]

Not a valid excuse. I know how to work a search engine. Since the people posting here obviously know how to type there is no reason they can't use google or yahoo to look something up.

I don't post stuff without researching it. Any credible writer, or horse person would do the same.

Tracy M.

I agree about the search engine. I did admit, it had never occurred to me to do. And it should be something that people think about doing more often from here on out. It's not meant to be an excuse as much as an explanation. And Lisa apologized. Is there something else you want?

[All4Grace]

*hold me back people*
*Hold me back*


NO WHERE did ANY of us claim ignorance to the friggin law..
NO WHERE!!

No where did any of us say.. hey your loss..

NOPE!

I believe, at first anyway, we were all grateful to your poem, once realizing the it was yours and wasn't credited we all thanked you for such a lovely poem and WB was sure to credit you... IT WAS YOU that started spitting out theft and crap like that.

Then yes.. we pounced!

[TheBadLands]

Well until you started your blovation, no one was laughing. That and there was no "theft" to speak of here.



No, but that doesn't have anything to do with the price of tea in china when it comes to someone here simply trying to share it.



You can take that can of bullshi* and shove it! If that was supposedly a "personal piece" for your daughter then why are you whoreing it out on cafepress?



Sorry you got the wrong forum, "The thieves" are on the next one over.



Ok, then... Have fun in your little universe lady.



Well take your yappings elsewhere then.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/24/istoledxmasla128641133486669033.jpg

[cheval]

[QUOTE=cheval;177596]Reprinted from the Horse Grooming Supplies Thread at this link:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/a-daughter-growing-up-with-horses-181817.html


This was the perfect way to handle it:


Look at the date on that post. It was WAY before I spent a year and a half tracking it down and getting it removed from websites. In fact this is right after it went viral.

I didn't give that person permission to repost it either, but like most theives they did it anyway.


Tracy M

No but you were extremely generous and directed people on how to see more of what you wrote and purchase your products. It may have been tiresome but you could have continued that and probably garnered a hell of a lot of business.

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=PaintedDreamer_0110;177592]Hmm I wonder why she knows a beastiality guy?!?! :headscratch: Anyways. Umm yea so this a real erm interesting thread. People are crazy! LOL. Good thing I never read the dang thing, cus that would make me a robber!

Because the pervert stole my article, and daughter's photo, and put it on his website and the webcrawler found it and reported it to me. Just like it found this thread and reported it to me.


Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

Ahem....:trout:

Feeding frenzy or not... let's not let this site sink into potty mouth... watch the cussing... even with asterisks...

[TheBadLands]

[QUOTE=PaintedDreamer_0110;177592]Hmm I wonder why she knows a beastiality guy?!?! :headscratch: Anyways. Umm yea so this a real erm interesting thread. People are crazy! LOL. Good thing I never read the dang thing, cus that would make me a robber!

Because the pervert stole my article, and daughter's photo, and put it on his website and the webcrawler found it and reported it to me. Just like it found this thread and reported it to me.


Tracy M

Well obviously you are on speaking terms?

AND... why would you even say something like that. If you go back and look at all of this (Which you probably will) you aren't exactly looking like you just got in from a long day of walking of water.

[luv2show]

Oh to be sure. Sad to think that it's okay to call a person names for protecting their property, and then expect sympathy because you had something of your own stolen.

It was an exact comparision of what is going on here and something you fail to grasp. Theft is theft, no matter what it is.


Tracy M

Oh I get what you're saying. Pretty sure that "theft is theft" sufficed.

You're only getting what you deserve. Read some well written posts of yours and then BAM, you blow up and I see this comment... Real classy.... real ignorant.

[Trinityapp]

[quote=Trinityapp;177600]

No but you were extremely generous and directed people on how to see more of what you wrote and purchase your products. It may have been tiresome but you could have continued that and probably garnered a hell of a lot of business.


Cheval,

You're not getting it. I don't want the business. I don't need it. The only reason the store got set up was to keep someone else from doing it. I had to get two closed down before I set mine up. It provides a link to the article and my name. That's the only purpose it serves for me.

I should not have to beg people not to steal from me. It makes no sense that this attitude is on display here. I'm not the one taking anything from anyone else.

Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

Reprinted from the Horse Grooming Supplies Thread at this link:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/a-daughter-growing-up-with-horses-181817.html


This was the perfect way to handle it:



I wrote the above essay for my daughter on her 16th birthday. Somehow it has traveled the entire internet. I am glad that so many people identify with it and understand what I was trying to convey.
I would appreciate it though if my name would be left on as author, as well as my website address www.trinityapp.com (http://www.trinityapp.com/), since the work is copyrighted to me.

I have more educational horse articles on my website at http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/ (http://www.geocities.com/trinityapp/) including the original essay.


I've had so many requests for posters and print outs of my daughter's essay that I've created an online store that features posters, mugs, shirts, keepsakes etc with the tribute pictured. Amy did the artwork, and we made versions for Appaloosa, Paint and plain wrapper horses.

I working on a tribute version for sons, since I've had several requests to tailor it more gender friendly and as soon as we get it worked up it will be listed too.

http://www.cafepress.com/trinityapp

Click over and take a peep!


Thank you,
Tracy Meisenbach

Cheval's right. This was a smarter way to handle it. You know... mutual respect asked for, and given.

[cheval]

[QUOTE=PaintedDreamer_0110;177592]Hmm I wonder why she knows a beastiality guy?!?! :headscratch: Anyways. Umm yea so this a real erm interesting thread. People are crazy! LOL. Good thing I never read the dang thing, cus that would make me a robber!

Because the pervert stole my article, and daughter's photo, and put it on his website and the webcrawler found it and reported it to me. Just like it found this thread and reported it to me.


Tracy M

He didn't do anything weird with it did he?

[Trinityapp]

Oh I get what you're saying. Pretty sure that "theft is theft" sufficed.

You're only getting what you deserve. Read some well written posts of yours and then BAM, you blow up and I see this comment... Real classy.... real ignorant.


ROFLMAO! Oh to be sure. I deserve to have my stuff stolen because people are so stupid!

If ignorance is bliss this place is simply orgasmic.


Tracy M

[cheval]

[quote=cheval;177608]


Cheval,

You're not getting it. I don't want the business. I don't need it. The only reason the store got set up was to keep someone else from doing it. I had to get two closed down before I set mine up. It provides a link to the article and my name. That's the only purpose it serves for me.

I should not have to beg people not to steal from me. It makes no sense that this attitude is on display here. I'm not the one taking anything from anyone else.

Tracy M

Huh. I just figured the sending people to the store was a way of doing business and people being able to buy stuff with the poem on to give to their daughters, friends, families.

[oursarge]

I rather enjoy being upper middle class white trash :(

Wow you're upper middle class white trash???? We're just plain white trash! We went to a fancy horse show a few weeks ago and it was like the Hillbillies go to a horse show, it was hysterical. We make fun of ourselves all the time, it's fun and we figure we might as well do it before others do! There are so many bad things happening in the world and in our personal lives if we don't find something to laugh about we'll go insane.

This past week people have lost their animals, almost lost animals, my husband was in the hospital, my new puppy is sick, my horse's both eyes went on him, my other horse had a fever of 105, thankfully they are getting better. I come here for a break and for some laughs and find this drama over something so stupid. Be happy someone cared enough to read what you wrote.

I find this whole thing NUTS. I'm sorry I try to stay out of things like this but the more I read the more I think it's nuts. Somone put something up here that they thought was nice and they are getting in trouble for what your so called friends did. If you don't like the forum or us just leave, we are all happy together and we don't always agree with each other on things but this is the best forum I've ever been on. Get over yourself, if you didn't want it published all over you shouldn't have sent it out to anyone. Talk about making mountains out of mole hills. Hopefully you won't have anything worse happen in your life like the people who have lost their horses or other loved ones this week, then you'll have something to be upset about.

[TheBadLands]

ROFLMAO! Oh to be sure. I deserve to have my stuff stolen because people are so stupid!

If ignorance is bliss this place is simply orgasmic.


Tracy M

You sure seem to be enjoying yourself, or you'd be gone by now.

[Trinityapp]

[quote=Trinityapp;177609]

He didn't do anything weird with it did he?

Yes, he did and before I could get it shut down someone else found it by searching the photo name and sent it to my daughter and she was embarassed and horrified that her photo was on an animal sex site.

Of course, according to this group I should be PROUD that someone wanted to use my work and that they wanted to share it with their perverted friends. Hell, I guess Ishould just email the sicko and tell him to put the thing right back up on his website because I'm PROUD that someone that advocates sexually abusing animals and children wants to reprint my written words.

Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense in that context.

Tracy M

[Horseaholic]

I'm off to swim...anyone else coming?? :)

if you aren't joining me...don't do anything I wouldn't do here ;)

[cheval]

Wow. You think ANYONE would think it was okay to mess with a picture of your daughter?

[Trinityapp]

You sure seem to be enjoying yourself, or you'd be gone by now.


As long as the thread exists, which mentions my article, I'll be here. The moderator is enjoying it, or she'd have deleted the thread, so I'll stay and enjoy it too. Maybe I'll bring some friends over too!



Tracy M

[FoxFireEMT]

Guys seriously... we are never gonna get anywhere with this lady.... Give it up. We do have a good forum here & she's going to turn every little thing you try to say to make her understand around, so screw her and her poem!

And if she was trying to prevent people from "stealing" her article she should of never sent it to her so called Friends. If it was private & personal that usually means people keep it to themselves!

Come on folks, we all know the facts now. She will NEVER fully get it. She'll continue to resort to making slams such as she did to "grace". Let her go on with her pitiful life. She doesn't enjoy the fact that people like her work then forget her. There are plenty of other beautiful peices of work out there.

[cheval]

You know, maybe it's time to 'shut 'er down' as far as this thread goes. This is just getting crazier and nastier.

[miatapony]

http://www.wpcva.com/articles/2008/03/19/brookneal/news/news01.txt

This is a sad story--I'm sorry about the colt and hope that your family is o.k., I know that rabies treatments aren't fun.

wow is this real or what because it was found on the internet... what no comment on it ... again just wow!

[Trinityapp]

Wow. You think ANYONE would think it was okay to mess with a picture of your daughter?


WOW, you think anyone would be okay to mess with a copyrighted article?

Written or photographed it's all the same.


Tracy M.

[TheBadLands]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo


So far you are a "writer" who is publishing the fact that you are a theiving, sue happy, thief, who takes interest in beastial encounters, wants your poem published, that you never published, that was published several times over, with every single click of "post reply"?

Do I get it now?

Oh and we're all in for certain and horrendous impending doom from your many FBI agent family members.

We get it now k? Thnx bye

[All4Grace]

:deadhorse::trout::yawn:

[cheval]

Guys seriously... we are never gonna get anywhere with this lady.... Give it up. We do have a good forum here & she's going to turn every little thing you try to say to make her understand around, so screw her and her poem!

And if she was trying to prevent people from "stealing" her article she should of never sent it to her so called Friends. If it was private & personal that usually means people keep it to themselves!

Come on folks, we all know the facts now. She will NEVER fully get it. She'll continue to resort to making slams such as she did to "grace". Let her go on with her pitiful life. She doesn't enjoy the fact that people like her work then forget her. There are plenty of other beautiful peices of work out there.

Exactly. Get rid of it. Lesson learned.

[Trinityapp]

wow is this real or what because it was found on the internet... what no comment on it ... again just wow!


It's real. We had a colt attacked by a dog and killed.

Tracy M

[Arrow]

It's real. We had a colt attacked by a dog and killed.

Tracy M

The story mentions a small bit on a hind leg. According to the article, no one saw the colt get bitten. Others thought it was likely a raccoon or skunk. Did you find out later it really was a dog? Did you find the rabid dog?

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

Ugh wheres the don't feed the troll smiley :rolleyes:

[miatapony]

The story mentions a small bit on a hind leg. According to the article, no one saw the colt get bitten. Others thought it was likely a raccoon or skunk. Did you find out later it really was a dog? Did you find the rabid dog?

my thoughts exactly. was the it a dog and was the dog put down ?

[TheBadLands]

Wow. You think ANYONE would think it was okay to mess with a picture of your daughter?

Of course its not ok. But the fact that she threatened it on the children here doesn't make me feel like she either a) really cares about the situation or (most probably) b) it didn't happen...

With that many members of her family in the FBI... geez, it should never have made it that far.

By her earlier comment threatening to post pics of our young forum members, I really lost my sympathy.

And I agree.. shut it down so she leaves.

I'm out of LOLZ

[Trinityapp]

The story mentions a small bit on a hind leg. According to the article, no one saw the colt get bitten. Others thought it was likely a raccoon or skunk. Did you find out later it really was a dog? Did you find the rabid dog?


The reporter that wrote the article was an idiot and messed up a whole bunch of stuff. The colt was killed. The vet never even saw the colt until it was dead. My husbadn wrote a rebuttal letter to the article that was in the next weeks paper that cleared up the mistakes the reporter made.

It is not something I'd want anyone to go through. It was especially traumatic because my daughter saw the attack. The worst thing is that the colt got killed and the dog was distracted by it so it didn't go after the people.

Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense in that context.

Tracy M

No - it doesn't make sense in any rational or reasonable context. Only in the mind of someone who is taking out her aggression on the whole world, on an a group of anonymous strangers.

It's not our fault stuff gets passed around the internet and it's getting on your very last nerve. It really isn't. We are as much victims of it (if we have a friend who is a prolific forwarder) as you are, actually... And snopes and other sites like them stay busy and have made a business for themselves trying to sort it all out... and yet still, sometimes we're sent something that is sweet, we post it, and share it, and someone comes along and says it isn't true, or it wasn't really written by Ted Nugent.

We aren't wicked people, and as much as you have malice for us, I don't think there's any toward you here.

I'll go delete my snarky comment in the title so you can go do something more productive. Not because it's bad for us, in fact, I think this has been some pretty darn good comedy, but because it's not good for you. And I'm really not a mean person.

[Arrow]

The reporter that wrote the article was an idiot and messed up a whole bunch of stuff.

Tracy M

I can see that--according to you there are idiots everywhere, all the time. Really, I have to wonder how you wrote such a beautiful piece.

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=TheBadLands;177636]Of course its not ok. But the fact that she threatened it on the children here doesn't make me feel like she either a) really cares about the situation or (most probably) b) it didn't happen...

>With that many members of her family in the FBI... geez, it should never have made it that far.

Oh gee, another quaint dig. I bet you feel all puffed up like Rush Limbaugh does when he makes one of his assinine comments.

>By her earlier comment threatening to post pics of our young forum members, I really lost my sympathy.

I made no comment of any sort. You need to reread my posts. I asked how the people here would feel if someone stole the photos from this website and posted them elsewhere. It's theft. It's a violation of trust. People share things with others via electronic media. Photos, announcements, articles etc. It does not mean that it is okay to pass them on. If some pervert came here and "captured" a few photos and used them elsewhere would that be okay with you? Because they are on the internet and anyone can take them right?

Imagine how you'd feel if you emailed someone something very personal to you and they forwarded it to all their friends and so on.

There isn't a person here that has made snide comments about me that wouldn't be pissed beyond belief if their stuff was stolen and used by others. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Tracy M

[cheval]

Actually, I'd do what you did on the HGS site. And I'd be flattered that someone thought it was good enough to share.

[shewasmyshadow]

:popcorn: Ooooooh! Popcorn anyone??

Hehem! Continue...

[WashingtonBay]

OK Trinity... I've deleted my snarky comments from the title and the original post.

So now, if you stay, it's because you just really really like it here :)

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

:popcorn: Ooooooh! Popcorn anyone??

Hehem! Continue...

I'll take SWMS :p

[TheBadLands]

[QUOTE=TheBadLands;177636]Of course its not ok. But the fact that she threatened it on the children here doesn't make me feel like she either a) really cares about the situation or (most probably) b) it didn't happen...

>With that many members of her family in the FBI... geez, it should never have made it that far.

Oh gee, another quaint dig. I bet you feel all puffed up like Rush Limbaugh does when he makes one of his assinine comments.

>By her earlier comment threatening to post pics of our young forum members, I really lost my sympathy.

I made no comment of any sort. You need to reread my posts. I asked how the people here would feel if someone stole the photos from this website and posted them elsewhere. It's theft. It's a violation of trust. People share things with others via electronic media. Photos, announcements, articles etc. It does not mean that it is okay to pass them on. If some pervert came here and "captured" a few photos and used them elsewhere would that be okay with you? Because they are on the internet and anyone can take them right?

Imagine how you'd feel if you emailed someone something very personal to you and they forwarded it to all their friends and so on.

There isn't a person here that has made snide comments about me that wouldn't be pissed beyond belief if their stuff was stolen and used by others. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Tracy M


And you make it better by threatening to do it? And we're obviously not going to get it through your head that the article you wrote was floating somewhere else. You found it here. You corrected it (and could have been nicer), it was corrected. And you still don't get it.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE ANYONE CAN DO FOR YOU.

THE ARTICLE WAS REMOVED.

SORRY SOMEONE STOLE IT FROM A PRIVATE EMAIL YEARS AGO.

SORRY YOU PUBLISHED IT.

SORRY SOMEONE READ IT.

LEXAPRO IS YOUR FRIEND.

There.. maybe you can read that.

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=WashingtonBay;177638]No - it doesn't make sense in any rational or reasonable context. Only in the mind of someone who is taking out her aggression on the whole world, on an a group of anonymous strangers.

I>t's not our fault stuff gets passed around the internet and it's getting on your very last nerve. It really isn't. We are as much victims of it (if we have a friend who is a prolific forwarder) as you are, actually...


Oh please. A fifth grader could come up with a better excuse.


>We aren't wicked people, and as much as you have malice for us, I don't think there's any toward you here.

You're a bunch of hypocrites of the worst kind. "Oh we didn't mean to use it!"
But if someone did a photo catch here and used it elsewhere you'd all be whining.

>I'll go delete my snarky comment in the title so you can go do something more productive. Not because it's bad for us, in fact, I think this has been some pretty darn good comedy, but because it's not good for you. And I'm really not a mean person

You're a hypocrite and it's obvious that being around horses taught you nothing about respect for other people, or their concerns. You let this go on because you like leading the mob mentality. I'm sure it makes you feel all powerful to be a moderator on the mighty Baywinds Farm Forum. Whoo whoo, that sure gets you noticed!

Just remember what goes around, comes back around.

Tracy M

[TheBadLands]

[QUOTE=WashingtonBay;177638]No - it doesn't make sense in any rational or reasonable context. Only in the mind of someone who is taking out her aggression on the whole world, on an a group of anonymous strangers.

I>t's not our fault stuff gets passed around the internet and it's getting on your very last nerve. It really isn't. We are as much victims of it (if we have a friend who is a prolific forwarder) as you are, actually...


Oh please. A fifth grader could come up with a better excuse.


>We aren't wicked people, and as much as you have malice for us, I don't think there's any toward you here.

You're a bunch of hypocrites of the worst kind. "Oh we didn't mean to use it!"
But if someone did a photo catch here and used it elsewhere you'd all be whining.

>I'll go delete my snarky comment in the title so you can go do something more productive. Not because it's bad for us, in fact, I think this has been some pretty darn good comedy, but because it's not good for you. And I'm really not a mean person

You're a hypocrite and it's obvious that being around horses taught you nothing about respect for other people, or their concerns. You let this go on because you like leading the mob mentality. I'm sure it makes you feel all powerful to be a moderator on the mighty Baywinds Farm Forum. Whoo whoo, that sure gets you noticed!

Just remember what goes around, comes back around.

Tracy M

Obviously, sorry but, Karma's hit you like a ton of bricks.. maybe you should take your own advice.

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=TheBadLands;177656][quote=Trinityapp;177648]


>And you make it better by threatening to do it? And we're obviously not going to get it through your head that the article you wrote was floating somewhere else.

Again, brush up on your reading skills. I never threatened to do anything of the sort. I asked a question and so far no one has had the moral fortitude to answer it:

Here's the question: Would YOU as a group like someone to come here and steal photos and psot them somewhere else, with no regard to how they were reposted, what context they were used or how they were attributed?

Here's the answer probably is: No we wouldn't like our photos stolen, so we understand why someone would be mad that their property was stolen.

But none of you bunch of hypocrites is big enough to step up and admit you'd hate for your stuff to be stolen and used, and you'd be pissed if someone misused it.

Tracy M

[TheBadLands]

[QUOTE=TheBadLands;177656][quote=Trinityapp;177648]


>And you make it better by threatening to do it? And we're obviously not going to get it through your head that the article you wrote was floating somewhere else.

Again, brush up on your reading skills. I never threatened to do anything of the sort. I asked a question and so far no one has had the moral fortitude to answer it:

Here's the question: Would YOU as a group like someone to come here and steal photos and psot them somewhere else, with no regard to how they were reposted, what context they were used or how they were attributed?

Here's the answer probably is: No we wouldn't like our photos stolen, so we understand why someone would be mad that their property was stolen.

But none of you bunch of hypocrites is big enough to step up and admit you'd hate for your stuff to be stolen and used, and you'd be pissed if someone misused it.

Tracy M

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AmpWpI9jcHE/R9rxWO5OrBI/AAAAAAAAFiA/79GdyPAJjfk/s400/lolcatbibledisciples.jpg

[livaward]

What in the heck is going on? Someone give me a summary LOL.....

[Trinityapp]

[quote=Trinityapp;177657]

Obviously, sorry but, Karma's hit you like a ton of bricks.. maybe you should take your own advice.


You seem to think this has been bothersome to me.

It hasn't. I can type 85 WPM and knock out a 6 page article in about 30 minutes. This has been nothing but finger exercise and kind of like an internet excursion to the monkey house.


Tracy M.

[cheval]

How about we remove the thread and the other problem?

[TheBadLands]

[quote=TheBadLands;177659]


You seem to think this has been bothersome to me.

It hasn't. I can type 85 WPM and knock out a 6 page article in about 30 minutes. This has been nothing but finger exercise and kind of like an internet excursion to the monkey house.


Tracy M.

What does that have to do with what I said?

I don't care if you walk on water, can keg stand on your pinky, change your underwear 6 times a day, wrote a trilogy in 5.2 seconds, look like Pamela Anderson and always smell clorox fresh... I still think you're a lunatic.

(caps lock to emphasize rage and better communicate with my new friend)

[Arrow]

[quote=TheBadLands;177659]


You seem to think this has been bothersome to me.

It hasn't. I can type 85 WPM and knock out a 6 page article in about 30 minutes. This has been nothing but finger exercise and kind of like an internet excursion to the monkey house.


Tracy M.

I have to admit that you can be pretty funny. But you are also a nutcase, I found tons of other stuff on the net, too, that I didn't even bother to link. You argue with everyone all the time just for the heck of it, nothing is ever your fault, and you are incredibly hard to get along with. You know...WB's right. You might just like it around here...

[Trinityapp]

How about we remove the thread and the other problem?


Why then I'd just have to go away. Are you sure you want that?
It's been so much fun. And I'd really hate to have to remove the link to this forum from my website.

Tracy M

[WashingtonBay]

[quote=TheBadLands;177659]


You seem to think this has been bothersome to me.

It hasn't. I can type 85 WPM and knock out a 6 page article in about 30 minutes. This has been nothing but finger exercise and kind of like an internet excursion to the monkey house.


Tracy M.

See... you do like us. :cheers:

[Trinityapp]

[QUOTE=Arrow;177668][quote=Trinityapp;177665]

>I have to admit that you can be pretty funny. But you are also a nutcase, I found tons of other stuff on the net, too, that I didn't even both to link.

You miss the sheer irony of your post. You found a ton of stuff about me in about 5 minutes of searching, yet no one here could find the author of my article? Not a single post until mine even hinted at who the author is. Is there a mental block on this group that forbids the use of Google?

Tsk tsk tsk tsk.


Tracy M.

[TheBadLands]

And she raises the stakes...

:popcorn:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/funny-pictures-your-cat-cheats-at-board-games.jpg

[Vegashorselady]

Wow, I've been trying to catch up on this thread, it just keeps going and going and going.... Seriously, it's like watching a tennis match and I'm a little dizzy, lol.

It's obvious that nothing will appease this woman at this point. I think a good old fashioned shunning is in order. ;)

[Trinityapp]

[quote=Trinityapp;177665]

See... you do like us. :cheers:


Uh No. I regard this place the same way I do reality TV. Painful to watch and completely lacking in any merit whatsoever. Browsing the other threads made me want to go over to Horsetopia just to go up one more level in ineptitude.

Tracy M

[TheBadLands]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/funny-pictures-this-lolcat-is-paused.jpg

[PaintedDreamer_0110]

[quote=WashingtonBay;177671]


Uh No. I regard this place the same way I do reality TV. Painful to watch and completely lacking in any merit whatsoever. Browsing the other threads made me want to go over to Horsetopia just to go up one more level in ineptitude.

Tracy M

Dude get a grip and grow up!